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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:54 am

LafalumView user's profile






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From two good sources: The report from the consultant and Committee will be delayed because of unforeseen circumstances. Not April maybe not May. Think we have a problem folks? I don't know how to read this!

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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:57 am

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Does the timing around Trustee meetings matter? Or does Byerly have latitude and support to make wide sweeping changes without Board approval?

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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:05 am

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BPard wrote:
Does the timing around Trustee meetings matter? Or does Byerly have latitude and support to make wide sweeping changes without Board approval?


Both comments were in the context of "recent events." ( their words not mine) The BOT might be an excuse if there are major issues and Byerly needs support.

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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:35 am

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Here's what we should have been done:  When the football team lost its third game and things were looking "same old, same old,"  Alison should have hired a firm to look for an new AD.  Not a competitiveness study.  Not a new FB coach search firm.  We are doing the alphabet backwards.  With a new AD we get a new FB coach, a new MBB coach, maybe a new WBB coach, donations aren't harmed etc,, etc.

Ok. So now what do we do?  We hire a search firm for a new AD.  

Alison, get moving on that because events are taking control.

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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:23 pm

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pardfan wrote:
Here's what we should have been done: When the football team lost its third game and things were looking "same old, same old," Alison should have hired a firm to look for an new AD. Not a competitiveness study. Not a new FB coach search firm. We are doing the alphabet backwards. With a new AD we get a new FB coach, a new MBB coach, maybe a new WBB coach, donations aren't harmed etc,, etc.

Ok. So now what do we do? We hire a search firm for a new AD.

Alison, get moving on that because events are taking control.


Didn't the college already go through an analysis resulting in a "national search" for a new AD? And then decide as a result of the search that Bruce McC was the best candidate? That was so strange . . . so very strange.

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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:07 pm

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Bogus Megapardus wrote:
pardfan wrote:
Here's what we should have been done: When the football team lost its third game and things were looking "same old, same old," Alison should have hired a firm to look for an new AD. Not a competitiveness study. Not a new FB coach search firm. We are doing the alphabet backwards. With a new AD we get a new FB coach, a new MBB coach, maybe a new WBB coach, donations aren't harmed etc,, etc.

Ok. So now what do we do? We hire a search firm for a new AD.

Alison, get moving on that because events are taking control.


Didn't the college already go through an analysis resulting in a "national search" for a new AD? And then decide as a result of the search that Bruce McC was the best candidate? That was so strange . . . so very strange.



"That's no ball.  We want a REAL ball, Augie!"

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:51 am

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Now its "in the fall" - no matter how you spin it, this is not a positive.  

Are there timing issues at play (contract expires) or something worse?  Hard to see a study that was supposed to take 5 months now taking 2x that duration and this is coming as a shocking revelation (or that there was an aggressive timeline) at the date the study was to wrap.  Talk about striping away whatever hope some of us had that this process would amount to real change....

The lack of transparency is maddenling.  Anyone who donates, every parent and student are the stakeholders who arguably deserve to know.  Yet instead the employees huddle up the wagon and just Pablum comes out.  Anyone else getting the feeling that after another 5+ months we get a large dose of same.

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:59 am

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The System has won. My personal white flag is aloft. (The thought of another MBB season like the last two just makes me ill.) I used to be a glass half-empty guy (as most recognize). I'm now a glass 1/4 full guy who will take even a smile from the direction of KFH as heaven sent.

Winning (used to) Matter.

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:18 am

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Lafayette College has been the Patriot League's bitch for too long.
It is "time to put away childish things."

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:06 pm

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Lafalum wrote:
From two good sources: The report from the consultant and Committee will be delayed because of unforeseen circumstances. Not April maybe not May. Think we have a problem folks? I don't know how to read this!


There's a lot to study:

Saturday April 8:

Baseball swept by Navy.
Softball swept by Army.
Mlax lost to HC.
Wlax lost to BU.
MT&F lost to Lehigh
WT&F lost to Lehigh.

http://www.goleopards.com/genrel/110116aad.html

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:00 pm

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[quote="Andy:61315"][quote="Lafalum:61277"]From two good sources: The report from the consultant and Committee will be delayed because of unforeseen circumstances. Not April maybe not May. Think we have a problem folks? I don't know how to read this![/quote]
At least Lafayette teams are
consistent.
There's a lot to study:

Saturday April 8:

Baseball swept by Navy.
Softball swept by Army.
Mlax lost to HC.
Wlax lost to BU.
MT&F lost to Lehigh
WT&F lost to Lehigh.

http://www.goleopards.com/genrel/110116aad.html[/quote]

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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:34 am

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The school managed to fire Frank, who with four titles was our most successful coach, in our own weird, dreary Lafayette way.

Yet they can't fire the other contented career losers? The others recruiting D2 and D3 talent in an alleged D1 program?

Who needs a study for that? An extended study no less?

Time is ticking away. Seasons are dying and the school's sports reputation is dying. No it's just about dead.

I will follow Lafayette football this fall. I will consider all other organized team activities to be club sports.

Perhaps Garrett was hired in a bid to jerk the fans around, to give them a faint glimmer of hope while everything else is allowed to fester and die.

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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:49 pm

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njleopard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
From two good sources: The report from the consultant and Committee will be delayed because of unforeseen circumstances. Not April maybe not May. Think we have a problem folks? I don't know how to read this!

At least Lafayette teams are
consistent.
There's a lot to study:

Saturday April 8:

Baseball swept by Navy.
Softball swept by Army.
Mlax lost to HC.
Wlax lost to BU.
MT&F lost to Lehigh
WT&F lost to Lehigh.

http://www.goleopards.com/genrel/110116aad.html


LC finished up an 0-13 weekend:

Softball lost to Army
Baseball swept by Navy
WTen lost to Buck
MTen lost to Buck

Tennis is apparently participant based.

Baseball now 3-34. Coach Kinney hasn't had a winning record in the PL since 2007.

The athletics administration somehow remains intact.

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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:31 pm

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What is obvious to me is that while our mannequin of an AD maybe good at facilities initiatives and social activism campaigns ("If you can't play, you can't play") he stinks in the area of identifying, developing and evaluating coaches.  Additionally, he has no clue when it comes to succession planning when a coaching situation is obviously not working out.  

I think this problem was identified several years ago when he was moved into more of a fund-raising capacity.  For some reason, he was then retained in his original role despite obvious signs that is not a core competency.  It has only gotten worse since the weaknesses were initially identified.

Can we please fix the problem at its source?  Maybe the delay in the study report is an acknowledgement that two of the individuals on the committee (Grentz and Bruce) are part of the problem.

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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:19 pm

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It seems noteworthy that the update of the delay came from Diorio's office - previous update from Bruce. That may point to another change and a bigger reason for delay. Get a new AD and have them start from the ground up to build the athletic dept.

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:20 am

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Hancock wrote:
It seems noteworthy that the update of the delay came from Diorio's office - previous update from Bruce. That may point to another change and a bigger reason for delay. Get a new AD and have them start from the ground up to build the athletic dept.


I think it's a terrible thing if the study is now in Diorio's hands. IMHO she is as big a part of the overall problem as BM is. If the study committee is really doing its job it will uncover some cancers that will need to be cut out before the healing of the athletics program can take place. Maybe those cancers are the reason for the delay in the release. This study is not going to look good and President Byerly stated at the outset that people should not expect more money for athletics to be the answer.

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:18 pm

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I have heard new meetings have been scheduled for May. The concern has been escalated and expectations are now much higher. There has been a lot of insistence by alums for action. With reunions approaching it's hard to believe the subject won't come up. The president is engaged and the stakes are now much higher.

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:21 pm

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If meetings aren't being held until May, there is a lack of urgency. Recruiting will suffer -- not that it's been good anyway. This prolonged study will be used against Lafayette, as the first one was.
The dominant feeling toward Lafayette sports is moving through the five stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
Apathy is taking over and then entropy.
The clock is ticking. Most sports are at historic low ebbs.
Even the apologists have given up on their pet losing coaches.
Clean house. Fire the losers.
Stop them before they recruit again.

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:32 pm

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Last week's edition of the school newspaper ran the story Has Poor Performance by Sports Teams Affected Your Lafayette Experience.

Even the self-professed non-sports fan's answer is yes. Now imagine those students (one year younger) who don't have the cited memories and experiences. Those students don't even realize what they're missing out on as a campus community.

Glad to hear lafalum saying this issue is now getting the attention it deserved. Hopefully it has been since the announcement of the consulting firm. If not Sad

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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:14 pm

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bethlehempard wrote:
If meetings aren't being held until May, there is a lack of urgency. Recruiting will suffer -- not that it's been good anyway. This prolonged study will be used against Lafayette, as the first one was.
The dominant feeling toward Lafayette sports is moving through the five stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
Apathy is taking over and then entropy.
The clock is ticking. Most sports are at historic low ebbs.
Even the apologists have given up on their pet losing coaches.
Clean house. Fire the losers.
Stop them before they recruit again.


The objective should be to get it right, not as soon as possible. Some sports have been told they are getting scholarships.

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