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Who should be the next HC at LC?
Cramsey
23%
 23%  [ 8 ]
Loose
38%
 38%  [ 13 ]
Wroblewski
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Other
38%
 38%  [ 13 ]
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:53 am

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That's the list.  Needs to start and end there.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:03 pm

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Voted for other - Heff

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:12 pm

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I think any of the 3 would be a major improvement, but I have to go with Cramsey.  Unless our search group/committee is completely blind I think he will get very serious consideration.

Tremendous experience running one of the best offenses in FCS for years, and will bring a great deal of excitement locally.  All 3 though are really good options.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:22 pm

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Cramsey has an amazing background, could he put up with an AI?

As a fan, I'd welcome Coach Loose. Listening to those signing day interviews, he had me ready to put the pads on. IIRC, John recruited north Jersey and southern NY and I assume was responsible for getting kids like Blake, Romans, Schmidlein, Mills, Bono. Seems a tireless recruiter with an eye for playmakers.  Believe he recruited Davidson for Army.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:43 pm

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Part of me thinks Cramsey would be a great choice.  This is probably due to our lack of offense over the last handful of years.

However, the national exposure Lauren's First and Goal brings to LC can't be replaced.  Loose would be a great ambassador for the college.

I'm a big Hef and Cohen fan as well.  No inside knowledge here, but I have a feeling that this job will be highly sought after!!

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:43 pm

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Now that Nevada fired their HC could Cramsey be in position for it? Wouldnt mind him or Loose, but my heart is with Heff. Cant we pay him 300K??

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:48 pm

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Voted for other Coach Chris Partridge. Played and coached at LC, outstanding recruiter.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:12 pm

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OPPard wrote:
That's the list. Needs to start and end there.

If we're beginning a national search (which presumably involves some significant spending), it had better not "start and end" with three names that we can pull off the top of our heads. All good choices, but let's treat this like an opportunity for a fresh start and keep our options open.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:20 pm

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Need a fresh face with local ties and innovative play calling.  If there isn't a huge push for Cramsey it is a head scratcher.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:43 pm

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Pardsfriend wrote:
Voted for other Coach Chris Partridge. Played and coached at LC, outstanding recruiter.


Chris was called "a rising superstar" in coaching by Harbaugh. The $225k as HC here would be a pay raise, but not for long with his career trajectory. Since he has already joined that major college group of coaches and is on the fast track to some major dollars, would he want to give that up for full control but risky business?

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:09 pm

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Andy wrote:
Pardsfriend wrote:
Voted for other Coach Chris Partridge. Played and coached at LC, outstanding recruiter.


Chris was called "a rising superstar" in coaching by Harbaugh. The $225k as HC here would be a pay raise, but not for long with his career trajectory. Since he has already joined that major college group of coaches and is on the fast track to some major dollars, would he want to give that up for full control but risky business?


That would likely depend upon the package LC offered to him.  

There's one way to find out, recruit him and make an offer.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:33 pm

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We need to be realistic. There are not many Bob Suraces in this world. It is extremely unlikely Partridge would move down to Lafayette from Michigan unless he wants to establish chops as an FCS HC as a credential for FBS.He already has an upwardly mobile position under a member of football royalty.It was a cruel blow to Lafayette when the incompetent nincompoops at Rutgers drove him away. If he was he at Rutgers we would have had a better shot. I previously suggested that we needed a Dave Cohen type who had Patriot League experience and also FBS experience with scholarship recruiting.He is not likely to return to the PL because he had an HC position before going to Wake- I forget where. He is the type of guy we need not the precise guy. A candidate unmentioned heretofore is Mike Rearden. He has CAA experience at Villanova and HC at St. Augustine Prep in South Jersey. His headmaster has just left to take a similar position at Malvern. Maybe Mike is ready to move back to Delaware in both scholarships and recruiting at that level.He is currently college.He is an outstanding prep coach.He was with great programs at Villanova and Delaware. I agree that Mike Faragalli is also a good thought but don't know if he would come back. He can't be too happy at Columbia. Even with Bagnoli it's a worse coaches' graveyard than anywhere else in America.He too has CAA experience.LC needs a clean sweep. I am not opposed to retaining any coach the new guy wants but do not think a current coordinator should be considered for HC because the culture needs a total fumigation after 7 consecutive losing seasons.Theresa Grentz said it and it is so true - "The culture is the hardest part - the players need to buy in that it's not OK to play hard and lose." Parenthetically  I would  recommend Frank for the LC Hall of Fame for saving a moribund program from the BOT and the Rothkopf and Kissiah cabal and winning the championships he did AND for winning 150.Andy Coen is still talking about the sting of losing that game.That was a landmark win even though we had a losing season the rest of that season. Last, we don't need an Ivy League assistant.Times have changed since Bill Russo came to our rescue in 1981 (even though he came from Wagner after being an Ivy assistant.)PL is PL and the Ivies are a separate entity because players find them rather than the other way around as with the PL.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:37 pm

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Other. Loose best choice on that list. LC would need to at least match current salary tho
A D asst or a D1 HC seem best place to start. Young energetic and a recruiter. Adjustment for an asdt may take some time as he learns but worth it.
Some are mentioning older more experienced coaches. Not a path likely to yield a coach. PL rarely a destination for talented coaches.. Besies which LC not likely to offer enuf $$$.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:58 pm

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RichH wrote:
Other. Loose best choice on that list. LC would need to at least match current salary tho
A D asst or a D1 HC seem best place to start. Young energetic and a recruiter. Adjustment for an asdt may take some time as he learns but worth it.
Some are mentioning older more experienced coaches. Not a path likely to yield a coach. PL rarely a destination for talented coaches.. Besies which LC not likely to offer enuf $$$.


It has come out that Frank is mostly likely making around 225k.  A position coach at a program like Michigan, where the HC makes 7 million, is probably making more than that, but that salary will be very attractive (I think) for guys like Loose and Cramsey.

I want young and energetic.  As much as I like some of the guys mentioned we don't need a 60 plus year old guy who has little to prove. We need someone who was sort of like Frank was 17 years ago, saying he will win no matter what, and attacking each day with energy.

Loose is a shade over 50, but extremely energetic and able to connect with kids.

Cramsey has a great mix of experience and youth.  Even though he is not a alum (he is local), he could be our Joe Moorhead.  He has that kind of offensive mind, and may have the highest ceiling of anyone, although more risky than Loose perhaps.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:02 pm

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Franks Tanks wrote:
RichH wrote:
Other. Loose best choice on that list. LC would need to at least match current salary tho
A D asst or a D1 HC seem best place to start. Young energetic and a recruiter. Adjustment for an asdt may take some time as he learns but worth it.
Some are mentioning older more experienced coaches. Not a path likely to yield a coach. PL rarely a destination for talented coaches.. Besies which LC not likely to offer enuf $$$.


It has come out that Frank is mostly likely making around 225k. A position coach at a program like Michigan, where the HC makes 7 million, is probably making more than that, but that salary will be very attractive (I think) for guys like Loose and Cramsey.

I want young and energetic. As much as I like some of the guys mentioned we don't need a 60 plus year old guy who has little to prove. We need someone who was sort of like Frank was 17 years ago, saying he will win no matter what, and attacking each day with energy.

Loose is a shade over 50, but extremely energetic and able to connect with kids.

Cramsey has a great mix of experience and youth. Even though he is not a alum (he is local), he could be our Joe Moorhead. He has that kind of offensive mind, and may have the highest ceiling of anyone, although more risky than Loose perhaps.



I think Cramsey would be better....short term.   I think the risk is he would be here 3-5 years and then we would probably see him split.   I think he could easily go 5-6 next year, then really start to pile up the wins.   I think Loose is my second choice, and a good bet to be here 15 years.   I love the discipline and energy he would bring to the Hill

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:24 pm

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Pards Rule wrote:
Voted for other - Heff


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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:03 pm

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Voted "other" for Fein because the College's nationwide searches usually comprise the nation of College Hill.  Hoping I am dead wrong.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:29 pm

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SixtyEighter wrote:
We need to be realistic. There are not many Bob Suraces in this world. It is extremely unlikely Partridge would move down to Lafayette from Michigan unless he wants to establish chops as an FCS HC as a credential for FBS.He already has an upwardly mobile position under a member of football royalty.It was a cruel blow to Lafayette when the incompetent nincompoops at Rutgers drove him away. If he was he at Rutgers we would have had a better shot. I previously suggested that we needed a Dave Cohen type who had Patriot League experience and also FBS experience with scholarship recruiting.He is not likely to return to the PL because he had an HC position before going to Wake- I forget where. He is the type of guy we need not the precise guy. A candidate unmentioned heretofore is Mike Rearden. He has CAA experience at Villanova and HC at St. Augustine Prep in South Jersey. His headmaster has just left to take a similar position at Malvern. Maybe Mike is ready to move back to Delaware in both scholarships and recruiting at that level.He is currently college.He is an outstanding prep coach.He was with great programs at Villanova and Delaware. I agree that Mike Faragalli is also a good thought but don't know if he would come back. He can't be too happy at Columbia. Even with Bagnoli it's a worse coaches' graveyard than anywhere else in America.He too has CAA experience.LC needs a clean sweep. I am not opposed to retaining any coach the new guy wants but do not think a current coordinator should be considered for HC because the culture needs a total fumigation after 7 consecutive losing seasons.Theresa Grentz said it and it is so true - "The culture is the hardest part - the players need to buy in that it's not OK to play hard and lose." Parenthetically I would recommend Frank for the LC Hall of Fame for saving a moribund program from the BOT and the Rothkopf and Kissiah cabal and winning the championships he did AND for winning 150.Andy Coen is still talking about the sting of losing that game.That was a landmark win even though we had a losing season the rest of that season. Last, we don't need an Ivy League assistant.Times have changed since Bill Russo came to our rescue in 1981 (even though he came from Wagner after being an Ivy assistant.)PL is PL and the Ivies are a separate entity because players find them rather than the other way around as with the PL.


Just to clear up some wrong information - Faragalli is no longer at Columbia, in fact he left after last season.

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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:31 pm

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Because others named Heff, I have to vote for him and personal loyalty will not permit me to vote for anyone else.

But, Heff just turned 60.  According to coachingsearch.com, the 2015 average salary for a Big10 TE coach is $213,000.  I am assuming that, due to Northwestern's location and his ability to negotiate, Heff has to be making more than that.  I would be shocked (but personally really happy) if he came back to the Hill.

Hopefully, we will find a young, hungry coach with a vision that matches the quality of our football facilities.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:29 pm

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I concur on the young hungry coach.
A couple years ago my wife and I were having dinner at Morici's before a game. Nearby sat a couple alumni who, I dare say, are more important to the school than I am. Yes I concede that.
Anyway they were talking about the football situation which was already imploding. I wasn't eavesdropping but heard one bring up the book "The Longest Winter" about the Korean War.
I'd read the book but thought nothing of it.
Later I realized he was probably referring to Gen. Matthew Ridgway who restored order in Korea after MacArthur (another great one) was fired.
Ridgway wanted company commanders to be no older than 40, energetic and and hungry.
I don't care about a Lafayette connection. Bring in a young guy who gets the academic side and wants to win. End of story.
Time for another drink.
Thanks Frank!

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