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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:51 pm

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The first quarter summed it up. We played about as well as I think we can possibly play. We did a good job of stopping them down low and for the most part we got back on defense. We shot as well as I think we're capable of - logging 19 1Q points. We executed the game plan perfectly  -and we still trailed by 3 after 10 minutes. Bucknell just made the extra pass and nailed 3 after 3 after 3...They played like a good team. They are a good team.

But we aren't that bad. It blows my mind that this team is 2-26. I lived through the darkest years of this program - those teams were overmatched so thoroughly it was painful to watch. Yes we're a half-step slow and our shooting woes have been well documented - but we AREN'T THAT BAD. I've seen bad. We've all seen bad. We're going to end this thing with a historically bad record - but we aren't that bad.

This was kinda dubbed the year of the freshman a while ago - but let's give credit to our Sr's who have shown no signs of quitting. We ARE losing something to graduation this year. I'll make the safe bet that we're going to be quite a bit better next  year - but there will be some holes to fill, particularly rebounds.

I don't see us getting yesterday's win back next week in Lewisburg - just too many weapons - but I REALLY hope we can get a W against 'Gate and MAYBE even a first round win. Right now it looks like we'll be facing the Crusaders - who we have actually outplayed for 6 of the 8 quarters we have faced them this year.

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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:05 pm

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If I live to be a thousand (yrs old), I'll never understand why Diane Nolan was let go. As recently as Harriet O-S's freshman year, the team was 14-16 with wins over Brown and Columbia, Pittsburgh and Loyola (Chicago), a close loss at the buzzer (which I witnessed) to Northwestern where NU kept their starters in the whole game, and wins over every PL foe but American and Army. We had Danielle Fiacco, Emily Homan, Jamie O'Hare, Linnel Macklin, Kelly Loughney (when she got hot, there was no stopping her) Maddy Fahan and others. Suddenly, we get Grentz on the bench as an asst. for a season and then Nolan is gone. I think Grentz somehow sold Bruce on the idea that SHE could REALLY turn things around. (We went from good to terrible so maybe that counts.) He's such a lazy boob; he makes her head coach w/o (as it appears) really checking into her BB past.
I'm no WBB insider, but that's the way it has seemed to me.

Alison, get rid of this guy. Nothing less is acceptable.

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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:30 pm

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pardfan wrote:
If I live to be a thousand (yrs old), I'll never understand why Diane Nolan was let go. As recently as Harriet O-S's freshman year, the team was 14-16 with wins over Brown and Columbia, Pittsburgh and Loyola (Chicago), a close loss at the buzzer (which I witnessed) to Northwestern where NU kept their starters in the whole game, and wins over every PL foe but American and Army. We had Danielle Fiacco, Emily Homan, Jamie O'Hare, Linnel Macklin, Kelly Loughney (when she got hot, there was no stopping her) Maddy Fahan and others. Suddenly, we get Grentz on the bench as an asst. for a season and then Nolan is gone. I think Grentz somehow sold Bruce on the idea that SHE could REALLY turn things around. (We went from good to terrible so maybe that counts.) He's such a lazy boob; he makes her head coach w/o (as it appears) really checking into her BB past.
I'm no WBB insider, but that's the way it has seemed to me.

Alison, get rid of this guy. Nothing less is acceptable.


Good Grief you actually are  making sense of a bizarre situation. I am not close at all to this program but liked Nolan and surprised she was let go like you.

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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:57 pm

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Bullseye!

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:25 am

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Lafalum wrote:

Good Grief you actually are making sense of a bizarre situation. I am not close at all to this program but liked Nolan and surprised she was let go like you.


Laf, surprised because there was "accountability" or do you want selective accountability, or no accountability?

Nolan in the league was 4-10, 4-10, 2-12, 4-10, 8-10, and 6-12. The last 2 years win total was padded with 6 wins over the 2 horrible expansion teams.
This with a 6-7 center and Homan, one of our best ever. BTW, did Danielle's offense improve over her career? Did Nolan ever find a system that utilized both Danielle and Homan? (Danielle and Maddy were Smith recruits for whomever brought that up).

Nolan won 1 playoff game in 5 years that vs a terrible Loyola team in the first round of expanded playoff system. ONE PLAYOFF WIN. Fran won NINE over that time and we long for Nolan and want Fran gone?

I'm assuming Nolan had a 5 year deal, and assume she was "not retained" (the words used when Smith was fired). Based on her record Bruce held her accountable and did the right thing (for once), tried for something more. Grentz has to be given time with her own players. I understand the angst of parents and upperclassmen not playing. (The guys can sing the "feelings" song for you)

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:05 am

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I agree Andy. The program never even reached mediocrity under Nolan and was not competitive in the league.Plus in my limited experience I found Diane Nolan to be unfriendly to alumni-me.I tried to approach her several times at events like the LeBeau tailgate or Friends' post game receptions and emailed her on occasion but was met with coolness personally and non replies to the emails.She was not interested.

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:32 am

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I'm not in the discussion rating game - but this one qualifies as "good" as I can see both sides.  In a department where NOBODY has a winning record and in a program that has struggled for decades - I'm not sure why Diane Nolan became the poster child for accountability.

Then again...Nolan's teams had a horrible habit of getting us really excited in the OOC games only to disappoint once the league season started. Homan was as good a player as we're ever going to get and defensively the teams that had Homan and Fiacco were as strong as any I've ever seen. It wasn't like we completely lacked for scoring weapons either - but it never quite came together. The team was a mystery.  

When Nolan was let go there were murmurings that the players were very unhappy with her and WELCOMED the change to Grentz. Obviously none of that came from the players directly - but the Grentz  hire was pretty widely accepted. Yes - we did what we do and raised some questions leading Scott Morse to mock the forum in an op-ed, but the overall tone was enthusiasm when she was hired.

Still - the early returns on Grentz are anything but favorable. If there were a tournament of 2-26 teams I think we'd mop the floor with the competition - we're an AMAZING 2-26! Pat Fischer found ways to win games with less talent, Fran does it pretty much every time we win anymore, shouldn't we expect a Hall of Famer to be able to do so?

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:33 am

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SixtyEighter wrote:
I agree Andy. The program never even reached mediocrity under Nolan and was not competitive in the league.Plus in my limited experience I found Diane Nolan to be unfriendly to alumni-me.I tried to approach her several times at events like the LeBeau tailgate or Friends' post game receptions and emailed her on occasion but was met with coolness personally and non replies to the emails.She was not interested.


That was counter to the personal experiences I had with her which was limited. The hiring process however is consistent with other searches  by our AD. Maybe the whole thing works out in the long run.  For the players sake, I hope so. But there is something fundamentally wrong to have the consistently bad results regardless of the coach.

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:52 am

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The Maroon wrote:
In a department where NOBODY has a winning record and in a program that has struggled for decades - I'm not sure why Diane Nolan became the poster child for accountability.


I'm not sure what you mean.  I raised the point because guys are praising Nolan, wishing she were here, which makes no sense based on her record. Accountability is the buzz word these days, we get it and complain?

Of course we may be giving Bruce too much credit. The behavior that 68 witnessed from Nolan (dissing alumni) is not something one gets from a coach interested in longevity. Maybe Nolan walked away.

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:19 am

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Lafalum wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
I agree Andy. The program never even reached mediocrity under Nolan and was not competitive in the league.Plus in my limited experience I found Diane Nolan to be unfriendly to alumni-me.I tried to approach her several times at events like the LeBeau tailgate or Friends' post game receptions and emailed her on occasion but was met with coolness personally and non replies to the emails.She was not interested.


That was counter to the personal experiences I had with her which was limited. The hiring process however is consistent with other searches by our AD. Maybe the whole thing works out in the long run. For the players sake, I hope so. But there is something fundamentally wrong to have the consistently bad results regardless of the coach.


Met her after the Loyola-Chicago victory and, in the brief few minutes, she was very friendly ("It was a victory.  Of course she's going to be friendly," comment--if forthcoming--is beneath the dignity of this Forum) and reached out by email a few times.

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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:25 pm

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Andy wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
In a department where NOBODY has a winning record and in a program that has struggled for decades - I'm not sure why Diane Nolan became the poster child for accountability.


I'm not sure what you mean. I raised the point because guys are praising Nolan, wishing she were here, which makes no sense based on her record. Accountability is the buzz word these days, we get it and complain?

Of course we may be giving Bruce too much credit. The behavior that 68 witnessed from Nolan (dissing alumni) is not something one gets from a coach interested in longevity. Maybe Nolan walked away.


I'm just surprised that Nolan got canned given the overall culture of the department. Her record wasn't good - but that's rarely a problem.
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:01 pm

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[quote="The Maroon:60781"][quote="Andy:60779"][quote="The Maroon:60777"]In a department where NOBODY has a winning record and in a program that has struggled for decades - I'm not sure why Diane Nolan became the poster child for accountability.
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I'm not sure what you mean. I raised the point because guys are praising Nolan, wishing she were here, which makes no sense based on her record. Accountability is the buzz word these days, we get it and complain?

Of course we may be giving Bruce too much credit. The behavior that 68 witnessed from Nolan (dissing alumni) is not something one gets from a coach interested in longevity. Maybe Nolan walked away.[/quote]

I'm just surprised that Nolan got canned given the overall culture of the department. Her record wasn't good - but that's rarely a problem.[/quote]

Is there any light at the end of the tunnel.  TG had been out of coaching for a decade when she was brought back as an assistant. Has time passed her by?  The only US women's coach to not win the Olympic gold medal.  Departure from Illinois under less than favorable circumstances.  Trashing her young team in public.  Did anyone else have a chance to be considered for the job?  How much extra is LC paying her?

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