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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:19 pm

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Lafayette futility has become normal. This program is approaching two decades without consecutive winning seasons.
There is no improvement, no adjustment, no direction, no hope.

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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:17 am

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Complaints -Complaints. We rallied last night from down 22 to only lose by 17.When I turned the game on it was 22-5 and Klinewski hit a jumper to make it 22-7.That was with about 6 minutes left in the first half.It went down hill from there and when the deficit reached 22 I turned it off.

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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:07 am

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We are in a bad place right now. Not a lot of experience, no depth, froshman have little confidence and are starting to look lost, and we are not shooting well.
Defend Klinewski and Lindner because there is no consistency after that.
FOH is in a tough spot, there is no where to turn. Not that it really matters, but, is Boykins done for the year?
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:52 am

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Kpard wrote:
We are in a bad place right now. Not a lot of experience, no depth, froshman have little confidence and are starting to look lost, and we are not shooting well.
Defend Klinewski and Lindner because there is no consistency after that.
FOH is in a tough spot, there is no where to turn. Not that it really matters, but, is Boykins done for the year?


kpard: the situation you describe with the men's team sounds like the women's team except they don't yet have two players like Klinewski and Lindner.

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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:05 pm

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Basketball needs a sweeping change. Don't care how good FOH is tactically: you need to have the full package. He can't recruit consistently and we run the same formula out there each year. Lehigh committed to get better and look what happened: joke program that would win 10 games at best to consistent mid-major threat.

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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:58 am

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I've been a little critical of Fran O'Hanlon in the past (even though I like Frannie) because IMO the Leopards haven't had good enough teams over the last 10-12 years when they've had veteran squads.  But this year's team is very young, and probably should be expected to struggle.  I'd cut them a little slack right now.

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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:41 am

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They are really young.  And, if this was the first time we'd been through this cycle I'd agree on a pass.   But next year the frosh will be a year older, Matt K will be a senior, who knows Monty might redshirt.  But then the reason/justification will be that we have a frosh point guard running Frans complicated offense.  Following year might be better, but then we will be without Matt.  Its a never ending cycle of missing at least one piece, and every 4th year or so we are above average, which quiets things down.  That cycle has gotten old and there is NO reason for it.  If other teams in conf. can be respectable to good year in and year out, why cant we?  Time to stop making excuses for it and look to change it.

I think Fran is a great guy, wonderful example of doing (most of) it right, class act (not a whiner like the self absorbed dolt in brown) and very good in-game coach.  But after 20 years I think the fire has died down and its time.

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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:49 am

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seenalot wrote:
They are really young. And, if this was the first time we'd been through this cycle I'd agree on a pass. But next year the frosh will be a year older, Matt K will be a senior, who knows Monty might redshirt. But then the reason/justification will be that we have a frosh point guard running Frans complicated offense. Following year might be better, but then we will be without Matt. Its a never ending cycle of missing at least one piece, and every 4th year or so we are above average, which quiets things down. That cycle has gotten old and there is NO reason for it. If other teams in conf. can be respectable to good year in and year out, why cant we? Time to stop making excuses for it and look to change it.

I think Fran is a great guy, wonderful example of doing (most of) it right, class act (not a whiner like the self absorbed dolt in brown) and very good in-game coach. But after 20 years I think the fire has died down and its time.


I think this is a great summation. With all the kids that leave each year, the consistency is lacking. In FOH's early years, it seemed like a reload, not a rebuild. I honestly thought scholarships would make it better, but, it hasn't.
I love Coach O, I love the style of play, but, maybe we don't have the right formula anymore.
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:24 pm

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Think we are wayyyyy past maybe.   We get the same kind of players we were when we were without free rides.  Only difference is now we are paying for their education.  Model is broken and we simply refuse to deal with it.

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 10:28 am

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What is FOH's contract status? Does he have one more year after this?
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:20 am

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Kpard wrote:
What is FOH's contract status? Does he have one more year after this?


Signed a 10 year deal in 2004. I haven't seen a release re the extension that's had him here since 2014.

Right now, losing 2 srs and with 2 recruits signed, we're set to play with 10 scholarship kids (again) next year. That is ridiculous. Scouting continues per twitter and we know a recent offer or 2 have been made. The incoming PG by all accounts is outstanding. I don't know much about the C. We desperately need another impact recruit, and preferably another 2.

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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 12:57 pm

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Andy wrote:
Kpard wrote:
What is FOH's contract status? Does he have one more year after this?


Signed a 10 year deal in 2004. I haven't seen a release re the extension that's had him here since 2014.

Right now, losing 2 srs and with 2 recruits signed, we're set to play with 10 scholarship kids (again) next year. That is ridiculous. Scouting continues per twitter and we know a recent offer or 2 have been made. The incoming PG by all accounts is outstanding. I don't know much about the C. We desperately need another impact recruit, and preferably another 2.


The incoming PG better be outstanding because the cupboard is bare and he's guaranteed a starting job.
We also need to recruit bigger kids or insist they bulk up when they get here. Navy beat us up physically and so will everyone else.
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:07 pm

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Lafayette is No. 335 in Sagarin ratings today. Alabama A&M is last at No. 351.
It's hard to fall much more because of the bedrock provided by of the likes of Grambling, Presbyterian and Longwood.
No. 334 is VMI and No. 336 is St. Francis-NY (that win looms large).
The next league team is Colgate at 301; Dartmouth is No. 304.

Lafayette: a proud basketball tradition? No, the doormat of a bad league.

"Give us scholarships and we will compete with anybody!"
What a joke that is.

I hope the school appreciates the local fans who still come out. Very well put above about how every few years a good streak covers things up. Just as in football, but there is no building on it. Lafayette reverts to the mean or lower.

Still this is the PL and there are a few wins ahead. However the teams blowing out the Pards are themselves getting blown out by other league teams.

Imagine asking a coaching candidate: "Coach XXXXX, do you think rebounds are important in the game of basketball?"

If there is no change after this year, the current study will have been a waste of money.

P.S.: Pomeroy puts Lafayette at No. 339. Choose your poison.

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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:30 am

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Lafayette beat Loyola.

Loyola beat Lehigh and Boston U.

Ergo, Lafayette is better than Lehigh and Boston U.

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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:08 am

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leopard88 wrote:
Lafayette beat Loyola.

Loyola beat Lehigh and Boston U.

Ergo, Lafayette is better than Lehigh and Boston U.



There is a job for you at go leopards

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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:17 am

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Lafalum wrote:
leopard88 wrote:
Lafayette beat Loyola.

Loyola beat Lehigh and Boston U.

Ergo, Lafayette is better than Lehigh and Boston U.



There is a job for you at go leopards


Laughing

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:35 am

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CHIP72 wrote:
I've been a little critical of Fran O'Hanlon in the past (even though I like Frannie) because IMO the Leopards haven't had good enough teams over the last 10-12 years when they've had veteran squads. But this year's team is very young, and probably should be expected to struggle. I'd cut them a little slack right now.


The last good recruiting class was brought in during the 2010-11 season. As freshmen, Trist-Hinrichs-Ptasinski showed signs of the future, particularly in a win over St. Francis-NY early in the 2011-12 season. Flannigan was a contributor too.

Bryce Scott and later Nick Lindner joined them. Who's waiting in the wings now? Lafayette is a two-man team with other interchangeable players rotating in.

It's early to judge this freshman class, true, but it's not at that level. The other classes have already shown what they do and -- mostly -- don't have.

Six, seven years is a long time between good classes.

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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:58 pm

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Eight games each into the league schedule, both BB teams are in last place.
The men are 2-6 and tied with Army.
The women are 0-8 and no, are not tied with anybody. Not anybody in the league anyway.
The men haven't played Bucknell yet and the Bison appear to be the class of the league.
Both teams have shown some fight now and then but not much else.

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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:04 am

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[quote="bethlehempard:59890"]Eight games each into the league schedule, both BB teams are in last place.
The men are 2-6 and tied with Army.
The women are 0-8 and no, are not tied with anybody. Not anybody in the league anyway.
The men haven't played Bucknell yet and the Bison appear to be the class of the league.
Both teams have shown some fight now and then but not much else.[/quote]

Is there any other school with a combined record worse than ours? Sad

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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:31 pm

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MBB: No. 331 in Sagarin ratings out of 351.
WBB: No. 320 out of 349.
Both teams at Alabama A&M, Mississippi Valley State, Florida A&M and Arkansas Pine Bluff are ranked lower. Maybe others. It's a depressing list.
Alabama A&M is a combined 1-29 and last in both lists.
That preseason pick of MBB at No. 340 seemed pessimistic. It wasn't.

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