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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:08 pm

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It's a GAME 30-30 with 7:23 left in the third. Gumbs got hit underneath two shots 32-32 tie.
Good ball movement not so good shooting. TOs are hurting them.
Gumbs Cantwell O-S Hood Stipa on the court
LU 43-41 to start the fourth quarter
Bad shooting and some defensive lapses but still in it 47-43

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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:38 pm

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Lafayette really can't shoot but Lutz made a nice 3 off an inbounds pass from Cantwell. LU 47-46 4:19 left.
Bruce is here of course and AB is too.
Good loud student section.

Airball 3 by Lafayette followed by airball FT by Lehigh

Final Lehigh 56 Lafayette 53

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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:05 pm

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Will they win another game this year? Sad

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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:05 pm

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njleopard wrote:
Will they win another game this year? Sad


She seems to be letting Lutz get some minutes after her whatever unpardonable sin she committed (7 points in 11 minutes...that's as proficient as we get on this team). Assuming the frosh continue to develop we may get a win or two in the second round of league games.

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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:00 am

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I was encouraged by the effort while watching this game. Then I noticed that Lehigh has 5 Division I wins, the best of which is a home win over 9-9 Sacred Heart (whose best wins might be MAAC also-rans Siena and Fairfield).

So, in a season where we search for silver linings, I guess we can say that have competed against the bottom half of the Patriot League. Aside from our one win*, looks like our best showing so far was a 3OT loss (that we should have won at least once) at Army.

* in retrospect, a win at La Salle (11-8, 4-3 A-10) actually isn't too shabby for most of the Patriot league women's basketball teams this year

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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:20 am

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Facts are facts - The women lost to a team that ended a 10 game losing streak with the win.There is no way yo see a silver lining in that no matter how hard I look. Even comparing the box score - they had 4 in double figures-we had 1.

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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:20 pm

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njleopard wrote:
Will they win another game this year? Sad


"Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees." Stonewall Jackson

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:15 am

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As painful as it may be to acknowledge, the program is a disaster.  The recruiting is abysmal as evidenced by the glaring omission of a point guard.  The head coach has stated that the team can't shoot.  That fact begs the question why did she recruit them?  Many of the players on the floor are her recruits.  Obviously they didn't all lose the ability to shoot when they got to Easton.  In addition,  the current head coach has been on staff for a couple years and has had time to develop the skills of the juniors and seniors. So much for elite coaching.

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:41 am

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Realfax1 wrote:
As painful as it may be to acknowledge, the program is a disaster. The recruiting is abysmal as evidenced by the glaring omission of a point guard. The head coach has stated that the team can't shoot. That fact begs the question why did she recruit them? Many of the players on the floor are her recruits. Obviously they didn't all lose the ability to shoot when they got to Easton. In addition, the current head coach has been on staff for a couple years and has had time to develop the skills of the juniors and seniors. So much for elite coaching.

Thanks for posting and welcome.

Not having a true point guard on the roster isn't quite as embarrassing as a football team forgetting to recruit a QB for 4 complete cycles, but it's close. I really wish that would be explained.  I'm assuming some "sure thing" recruits fell through.

I agree to a point with you.  She recruited these frosh that can't shoot, but getting kids who have taken thousands of shots the wrong way and trying to adjust the muscle memory to a new way of doing it is a monumental task. Keisha Wright and Jamie O'hare both dramatically improved their form over their careers but it didn't happen overnight.

I just hope they can get a couple wins. Nobody signed on for this torture!

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:59 pm

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Firstly,  making assumptions is always dangerous.  Secondly, if the players were "sure things" why did they all decide to play elsewhere?  Thirdly,  what are the odds that most, if not all, of the recent recruits can't catch the ball correctly and can't shoot ( according to the coach herself)?  just sayin...

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:31 pm

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I met people at the Lehigh game and the anger is real. It started last year and if half of what I heard is true then things need to change now. The players didn't sign up for this either. A good coach can get the most out of any player their recruit or not. These players have very little confidence and poor play follows.
A bright spot came in the 2nd. All 5 players including Lutz kept the ball moving and each player moved well off ball. The play fell into an offensive and defensive rhythm that resulted in good shots and defensive stops and brought the team back and then lead at halftime. DIdn't happen again. There were some decent plays and decent shots but not the same sync necessary to win even against a pretty poor opponent.
I think this points to coaching. By January basics should be fixed. They aren't. A few very elementary observations from this game.
Traveling. Stop the stutter steps. It will get called.
Layups. A good play needs to be finished. These are easy points and  the glass is there, use it.
Rebound. Box out your player. Every player on the floor should know how. Some just don't seem to. Offensive boards are great but points from the layup would be better.
Passing. Use the right type of pass at the right time.  Chest pass or bounce pass to hands not shoe tops.  Don't force feed the post. If they aren't in good position, they don't get the ball.
Defense. A basic first, Get your hands up! Know how to position body. Know when to switch and when to help/recover.

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:28 pm

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Hancock wrote:
I met people at the Lehigh game and the anger is real. It started last year and if half of what I heard is true then things need to change now. The players didn't sign up for this either. A good coach can get the most out of any player their recruit or not. These players have very little confidence and poor play follows.
A bright spot came in the 2nd. All 5 players including Lutz kept the ball moving and each player moved well off ball. The play fell into an offensive and defensive rhythm that resulted in good shots and defensive stops and brought the team back and then lead at halftime. DIdn't happen again. There were some decent plays and decent shots but not the same sync necessary to win even against a pretty poor opponent.
I think this points to coaching. By January basics should be fixed. They aren't. A few very elementary observations from this game.
Traveling. Stop the stutter steps. It will get called.
Layups. A good play needs to be finished. These are easy points and the glass is there, use it.
Rebound. Box out your player. Every player on the floor should know how. Some just don't seem to. Offensive boards are great but points from the layup would be better.
Passing. Use the right type of pass at the right time. Chest pass or bounce pass to hands not shoe tops. Don't force feed the post. If they aren't in good position, they don't get the ball.
Defense. A basic first, Get your hands up! Know how to position body. Know when to switch and when to help/recover.


See from my perspective you're describing players who don't know the basics. I mean - if they aren't doing the things you describe they don't belong playing D1 - and our problem is recruiting, not coaching.

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:19 pm

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Recruiting is a necessary part of coaching. You cannot compartmentalize the job.  The issues present this season are consistent with those this coach had at Illinois, Immaculata, and Rutgers.  Teams divided into cliques are rarely successful. Look at the cold record of this program over the past four or five years.  The trajectory of this program changed when the Trojan horse entered the program.

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:28 pm

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The program is a disaster but, one is not entitled to their own facts.
Grentz joined the program in 2014-15 as an assistant and became head coach for the 2015-16 season.
She won a lot as a coach earlier in her career at the highest levels.
Grentz never coached at Immaculata. She was coach at St. Joseph's, Rutgers and Illinois. I think that's all. She won at each place.
This program has been a disaster for two decades. This year is horrendous but I can't blame Grentz for the history of the program.

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:18 pm

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Realfax1 wrote:
Recruiting is a necessary part of coaching. You cannot compartmentalize the job. The issues present this season are consistent with those this coach had at Illinois, Immaculata, and Rutgers. Teams divided into cliques are rarely successful. Look at the cold record of this program over the past four or five years. The trajectory of this program changed when the Trojan horse entered the program.


Right now she's in year 2, has one year of her recruits. She's not without blame - but those of us who didn't just blow in this week also realize this program has been in the crapper for decades.

While I'm not entirely sold on her - more time is needed to evaluate how she's doing.

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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:32 pm

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Didn't just "blow in this week".  Any factual, as opposed to personal or emotional analysis will support my statements.  Sometimes input from sources other than the usual circle brings  clarity to the situation. The program has hit a new low. Sometimes a rose is just a rose.  Good luck.

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:56 am

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[quote="Realfax1:60037"]Didn't just "blow in this week". Any factual, as opposed to personal or emotional analysis will support my statements. Sometimes input from sources other than the usual circle brings clarity to the situation. The program has hit a new low. Sometimes a rose is just a rose. Good luck.[/quote]

It seems the  supposed cure is worse than the disease.

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:53 am

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I'm glad to see some new posters on here.  I've been watching the team closely over the last two years because I think the coach and her assistants have the resumes to get the job done.  

The disappointing results of this season have lead to a loss of interest by alums, students, parents and people who post frequently on the Fan Forum.  The results speak for themselves.  To quote Bill Parcels, you are what your record says you are.  The program has performed poorly for so long that it seems forever.  A few exceptional players here and there but no exceptional teams.

In the games that have been close and they have been close in a number of games (Lehigh, Army, Hampton just to name a few), what is missing is that "go to" shooter who can hit big shots.  The lack of a point guard has been noted over and over.  Stipa is doing the best she can (and deserves a lot of credit for hanging in there). Hopefully next year can go back to being a shooting guard.

The pressure is squarely on the coaches to recruit much better (and quicker) players.  I look forward to seeing next year's recruits.

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