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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:25 am

ProudPardDadView user's profile






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I'm confused...are we not going to address the fact that Coach Bartel penned a resignation letter on twitter 4 days ago? Or is that just out of touch we are from the program that no one has even noticed? Either way, it's troubling.

I,for one, am extremely dissapointed in only after a few months on the job, our new offensive coordinator who was hired with zero college experience, comes to a realization that his heart isn't into it and walks away. I feel for the current players, the lack of continuity can't be great for development.

As a parent of a former player, I am finding it harder and harder to be a supporter of the program.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:48 am

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A successful QB trainer can make more and work less than an FCS coordinator. And not live in Easton.
It's a peculiar move, sure, but this is ... Lafayette.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:53 am

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Huh?! That's disturbing on a few levels.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:11 am

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It's hard to say if there's any blame to go around, because Bartel's statement seems to be equal parts press release, resignation and advertising for himself as a QB Coach.

Maybe Coach Garrett is a tough boss, or maybe Coach Bartel didn't think he was in a position to succeed. But maybe he just didn't want to be on the road recruiting away from his family all summer and then working 16+ hour days all season. As stated above, he had no college experience. And as rigorous as his former schedule sounds in his bio (http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/rich_bartel_1035401.html), he may not have been fully prepared for what he was getting into as an FCS offensive coordinator.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:19 am

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Most Lafayette kids enter school with a strong family background.
Those who are athletes need to be coached. They do not need to be guided in religious and social matters. That is what their families are for.

*This departure is not a huge surprise. Odd timing yes but Garrett can certainly handle the offense himself.


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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:46 am

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Wow - coach G rolled the dice and lost on this one.

I know next to nothing about these things - but wouldn't this be a bad time to have to shop for a new OC?

IS there anybody on staff who can move into that spot?

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:52 am

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The Maroon wrote:
IS there anybody on staff who can move into that spot?

Far from ideal, but Coach Garrett could probably step in and call the plays for a year. Otherwise, none of the current offensive coaches seem to have the credentials to be an OC that we would hope for (doesn't mean they wouldn't be good, but it would be a new experience for them).

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:02 am

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I was leery of this guy from the start. He was a pariah in Texas HS football because of his association with that prep school for athletes. His history is football zealotry. Probably not a good match for the PL where there is supposed to be a balance between sports and school work.His departure though is just another mystery in the vein of Grentz's exodus.Garrett should have known better in light of his father's experiences at Columbia where his father's zealotry did him in . Still Bartel's situation is speculation until otherwise explained.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:23 am

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ProudPardDad wrote:
As a parent of a former player, I am finding it harder and harder to be a supporter of the program.


Coach Bartel's leaving doesnt have any effect on my support of the program. He switched from baseball to football, he switched colleges, he's had like 4 jobs in 4 years. Just another move for Coach B.  I wish the 4 talented guys coming in were enough to have him stick around. Must be other issues.

Looked to me like Coach JG was calling plays in the spring game.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:56 am

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Andy wrote:
ProudPardDad wrote:
As a parent of a former player, I am finding it harder and harder to be a supporter of the program.


Coach Bartel's leaving doesnt have any effect on my support of the program. He switched from baseball to football, he switched colleges, he's had like 4 jobs in 4 years. Just another move for Coach B. I wish the 4 talented guys coming in were enough to have him stick around. Must be other issues.

Looked to me like Coach JG was calling plays in the spring game.


Unfortunate but not fatal. I liked Bartel but Garret can handle the OC job and be head coach.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:00 am

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What disturbs me the most about the situation is first off, the lack of communication from the school on this subject. This is not heresay or a rumor yet to be confirmed. This has come straight from the coach himself...4 days ago.

Also, from reading some of the replies above, it seems that we all have noticed Bartel being someone 'who has had 4 jobs in 4 years', 'an advertiser of himself' and having 'zero college coaching experience'. So if we can notice those things, why can't those whose job it is to hire or vet him couldn't? Bartel himself leaving isn't what is making it hard for me to be a supporter of the program, these other issues are.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:01 am

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Andy wrote:
ProudPardDad wrote:
As a parent of a former player, I am finding it harder and harder to be a supporter of the program.


Coach Bartel's leaving doesnt have any effect on my support of the program. He switched from baseball to football, he switched colleges, he's had like 4 jobs in 4 years. Just another move for Coach B. I wish the 4 talented guys coming in were enough to have him stick around. Must be other issues.

Looked to me like Coach JG was calling plays in the spring game.



 I wouldn't read too much into the departure of Coach Bartel.

As a former coach, I felt in the beginning this was a stretch moving from a high school coach to coordinating an FCS offense.  There are a couple of striking differences relevant here, besides the jump from OC/position coach in high school to OC in 1AA.

 First, at Lafayette he's coaching men, v. high school kids at IMG.  Second, and most significantly, he's coordinating every detail of our offensive strategy.  Not only quarterbacks, but line play, wideouts, and game plans, among many details. Take a look at O. Coordinators at peer institutions, who are regular participants in the FCS playoffs.   The coaches have coached positions and then received the OC assignment.  And they may have head coaching experience as well. This job, at Lafayette or any FCS school, is a formidable task.

 I'm sure Coach Bartel has extensive x and o experience and will land on his feet.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:11 am

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The school should have acknowledged the change. That is a failure.
Quite often Lafayette news appears first on this board (thanks BTW!) The college and a short-handed (and I suspect sometimes compliant) local media should have been on this. High school sports and the Eagles rule this region, though, so any college coverage is a bonus.
As for the departure, considering the Pit of Despair that is Lafayette sports, this isn't even a speed bump.
It's the best thing that could have happened.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:38 am

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bethlehempard wrote:
The school should have acknowledged the change. That is a failure.
Quite often Lafayette news appears first on this board (thanks BTW!) The college and a short-handed (and I suspect sometimes compliant) local media should have been on this. High school sports and the Eagles rule this region, though, so any college coverage is a bonus.
As for the departure, considering the Pit of Despair that is Lafayette sports, this isn't even a speed bump.
It's the best thing that could have happened.

The lack of a dedicated media is sometimes good for the College, but generally bad for those of us without any inside info. Obviously Lafayette would like more coverage (athletics and otherwise), but on the flipside they're fortunate that a situation like Grentz can happen without any apparent "investigation" from the press.

As for the lack of official announcement, could be as simple as waiting for HR to go through the process... anybody who has hired and fired staff knows the drill here. Coach Bartel may have jumped the gun with his Twitter announcement, as he might technically still be the OC for a few more days (or even until July 1).

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:43 am

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Bartel or no Bartel.  With Coach Garrett and 60 full I am so psyched for the future of Pard football. Can't wait!

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:06 pm

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Andy wrote:
Bartel or no Bartel. With Coach Garrett and 60 full I am so psyched for the future of Pard football. Can't wait!
Agree!!! Hopefully Coach Garrett will find the right man soon!
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:31 pm

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ProudPardDad wrote:

Also, from reading some of the replies above, it seems that we all have noticed Bartel being someone 'who has had 4 jobs in 4 years', 'an advertiser of himself' and having 'zero college coaching experience'. So if we can notice those things, why can't those whose job it is to hire or vet him couldn't? Bartel himself leaving isn't what is making it hard for me to be a supporter of the program, these other issues are.



I don't question the hire.  If I am Coach just hired, first thing I notice is I have a QB problem.   How to solve it?  1) Recruit as many QBs as reasonable  2) Find someone to develop them.  Coach Bartel fit the bill.  NFL experience and college experience certainly must catch the eye of recruits.   IMG QB and OC Coach.   Everyone knows IMG.  Again, good marketing.   Young so the price was right probably.

As for 4 jobs in 4 years (thought he was at IMG 2 years so not sure that is right, but a moot point), this isn't a job in manhattan.  Good coaches change jobs quickly at a young age.  First because they need experience, and as soon as they are qualified for the next job they go, second because they are paid very little.

I have no idea why he left.  Maybe his tweet was the honest truth.   Maybe the hours were too much.   Maybe he is a southern boy and the NE isn't for him.  Maybe Garrett wasn't giving him enough leash.   Doesn't matter.   I met him once, was impressed and will wish him nothing but the best.

I will say, we need an OC, not just JG.   Maybe someone should call Kaepernick Smile heard he needs a job, and his liberal platform will fit right in with the Hill!!!!!.      

Seriously, though, I am not saying we need a big name, or a long tenured football guy as OC, but at least someone who can grow into the job and take direction from JG and avoid him becoming dragged down by the day to day work of the OC position.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:05 pm

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I was vacationing in Florida when I read the twitter message from Coach Bartel. The area where he was living is on the gulf with beautiful beaches. I believe he was making a huge sacrifice and asking his family to make one as well. He said he has a calling to help kids develop long term.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:27 pm

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In a pinch they could always just plug in Mike Joseph, temporarily. He's a defensive guy but who knows the current personnel better than Joseph?

So odd, though, that Bartel is leaving without really starting. I'm guessing there's more to the story, as with most things.

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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:50 pm

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Scratch off Lincoln Riley as our possible Offensive Coordinator  Smile

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