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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:09 am

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This game is a statistical dead heat. Hopefully this won't mean an ugly affair.
We need to take this one at home. Lets hope we can show some scoring consistency.
Lets go guys!
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:25 am

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Heading down shortly. Let's WIN!

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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:22 pm

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I agree with KPARD - these are two very evenly matched teams. We miss Boykins but home team should win.

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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 1:29 pm

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Should be a good game, both teams in the rebuilding process. I believe Boykins will be available for tonight but may play limited minutes.
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:04 pm

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The rebound edge: Colgate 17 - Lafayette 8. The usual.
Colgate 51-40.
It's a game. That's something.
Matt K. is the best player on the court tonight but can't somebody else do something, anything? The rebound edge is closing.

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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:50 pm

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If anybody but Matt gave a damn, Lafayette would have put this away. There is no offensive plan and no defensive effort.
A loss, at home, to a Colgate team that came in 2-11 (1-11 in Division 1).
It's time for a reality check. This is a farce.
The question earlier was, could any Lafayette player start for Lehigh?
Now, besides Matt, could anybody start for Colgate? #%% Colgate!
Other teams' freshmen keep killing us. Ours run down the court and shoot 3s and run back.
Apparently Colgate was the best 2-11 team in history.

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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:56 am

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I've been very busy so far this season, so I haven't been to many games or had the opportunity to post, but I was able to attend last night's game.  Hopefully, I'll have the time to attend more regularly and post over the rest of the season.

Clearly, the biggest problem was that our perimeter defense was poor.  Colgate's perimeter players beat our defenders off the dribble repeatedly. Very early on, they tended to drive all the way to the hoop and score.  After that, they more frequently forced one of our other defenders to play help defense on a player who had beaten his man, then used that opening to pass the ball around for a 3-point shot that was wide open because our help defender had to leave his man.  Thus, their 3-point FG percentage was very strong in both halves, particularly the first.

We tried to play some 1-3-1 and 2-3 zone, but that didn't work.  In the 1-3-1, we just don't have the length or quickness to be effective, particularly in closing out to prevent corner jumpers.  Nick plays the bottom of the 1-3-1, and although he hustled to defend against corner jumpers, at 5'11", he just didn't have the height to pose an obstacle to Colgate's shooters.  In the 2-3 zone, we still had trouble closing out against their perimeter shooters, and I thought that our defensive rebounding was especially weak in that defense.

I didn't think that our rebounding was too big a problem in the 1st half.  True, our overall number of rebounds was low, but that was largely due to the fact that Colgate wasn't missing many shots, so there weren't too many defensive rebounds available.  The Raiders hurt us on the boards more in the 2nd half, getting some offensive rebounds that led to open looks from 3.

On offense, I thought we did a very good job of moving the ball quickly, both up the court and around the perimeter, in the 1st half.  We had 12 assists on 16 first half baskets, a very good percentage.  Obviously, Matt was great.  His outside shot was falling, and when that happens, he is very difficult to defend.  I would have liked to see us get the ball to him in the low post even more, because those are the highest percentage shots and he also draws a lot of fouls there.

Nick had a strong offensive game also.  It seems that opposing teams are giving him a little cushion on the perimeter, trying to prevent him from driving and taking their chances on the 3-point shot.  Nick has turned into a good 3-point shooter, but he is most effective when he can drive to the basket.

One problem on offense is that we have few guys who can beat their man off the dribble and finish.  Obviously, Nick can do that, and Matt has become pretty good at beating bigger defenders when given the space, but that's about it.  Our inability to find a consistent third scoring threat enables opposing defenses to help out more against Matt and Nick, which prevents them from being even more effective.

Rayman was outstanding for Colgate, and looks to have a very bright future.  He killed us in the first 11-12 minutes of the game, scoring 20 points in that time frame.  He can drive to the hoop well with either hand, especially for a player of his height, and his height enables him to be even more effective as an outside shooter.  He's a really good player, but I wonder if our poor perimeter defense made him look even better than he is, to some extent.

Clearly, it was a disappointing result, to have Colgate essentially be in command of the game from start to finish at home.  It doesn't seem to bode well for the rest of the conference season.  Perhaps as some of our younger players gain more experience as defenders, our perimeter defense can improve, but I'm not confident that will happen.  If not, we'll need to improve on offense, and develop some scorers other than Matt and Nick, in an effort to overcome our defensive shortcomings.  If Monty is able to return, he may help in that regard; he wasn't dressed to play last night.

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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:39 am

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Steve wrote:
I've been very busy so far this season, so I haven't been to many games or had the opportunity to post, but I was able to attend last night's game. Hopefully, I'll have the time to attend more regularly and post over the rest of the season.

Clearly, the biggest problem was that our perimeter defense was poor. Colgate's perimeter players beat our defenders off the dribble repeatedly. Very early on, they tended to drive all the way to the hoop and score. After that, they more frequently forced one of our other defenders to play help defense on a player who had beaten his man, then used that opening to pass the ball around for a 3-point shot that was wide open because our help defender had to leave his man. Thus, their 3-point FG percentage was very strong in both halves, particularly the first.

We tried to play some 1-3-1 and 2-3 zone, but that didn't work. In the 1-3-1, we just don't have the length or quickness to be effective, particularly in closing out to prevent corner jumpers. Nick plays the bottom of the 1-3-1, and although he hustled to defend against corner jumpers, at 5'11", he just didn't have the height to pose an obstacle to Colgate's shooters. In the 2-3 zone, we still had trouble closing out against their perimeter shooters, and I thought that our defensive rebounding was especially weak in that defense.

I didn't think that our rebounding was too big a problem in the 1st half. True, our overall number of rebounds was low, but that was largely due to the fact that Colgate wasn't missing many shots, so there weren't too many defensive rebounds available. The Raiders hurt us on the boards more in the 2nd half, getting some offensive rebounds that led to open looks from 3.

On offense, I thought we did a very good job of moving the ball quickly, both up the court and around the perimeter, in the 1st half. We had 12 assists on 16 first half baskets, a very good percentage. Obviously, Matt was great. His outside shot was falling, and when that happens, he is very difficult to defend. I would have liked to see us get the ball to him in the low post even more, because those are the highest percentage shots and he also draws a lot of fouls there.

Nick had a strong offensive game also. It seems that opposing teams are giving him a little cushion on the perimeter, trying to prevent him from driving and taking their chances on the 3-point shot. Nick has turned into a good 3-point shooter, but he is most effective when he can drive to the basket.

One problem on offense is that we have few guys who can beat their man off the dribble and finish. Obviously, Nick can do that, and Matt has become pretty good at beating bigger defenders when given the space, but that's about it. Our inability to find a consistent third scoring threat enables opposing defenses to help out more against Matt and Nick, which prevents them from being even more effective.

Rayman was outstanding for Colgate, and looks to have a very bright future. He killed us in the first 11-12 minutes of the game, scoring 20 points in that time frame. He can drive to the hoop well with either hand, especially for a player of his height, and his height enables him to be even more effective as an outside shooter. He's a really good player, but I wonder if our poor perimeter defense made him look even better than he is, to some extent.

Clearly, it was a disappointing result, to have Colgate essentially be in command of the game from start to finish at home. It doesn't seem to bode well for the rest of the conference season. Perhaps as some of our younger players gain more experience as defenders, our perimeter defense can improve, but I'm not confident that will happen. If not, we'll need to improve on offense, and develop some scorers other than Matt and Nick, in an effort to overcome our defensive shortcomings. If Monty is able to return, he may help in tat regard; he wasn't dressed to play last night.
It's going to be a long season Ugh....It's obvious our talent level isn't comparable with the rest of the PL!
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 10:14 am

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I t continues to bug me something fierce that LC does so poorly against Colgate where basketball is at best a step child to their fine ice hockey program.  In last night's game, I stopped watching bec. they continually bear our players off the dribble. It looked like LC played no defense at all.

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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:21 pm

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Thanks Steve, I always appreciate your perspective and insight. Clearly, Fran has a personnel problem right now. We have one healthy senior, one worthwhile junior, and are now forced to lean heavily on this froshman class. We roster 13 kids right now. Colgate has 18. I've never been to Hamilton, but, from what everyone says, it is a God forsaken place. So, how does anyone attract 18 kids to come play basketball in a hockey haven?
The incoming freshman class MUST be exceptional.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:38 am

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For almost 3/4ths of the game Colgate shot nearly 70%. At half time they were 18-27.We didn't shoot well but were around 50%.We were out rebounded but the difference in the game was their frosh from NYC who had more points than Klinewski and if he is as good as he played against us he will be all world.It was a very poor league start. I am reminded of Seth Hinrich's injury. If we had Monty's 10 points the out come could have been different in spite of all the shortcomings. Plus the refs were unusually atrocious even by PL standards.There were numerous phantom calls against us.Every time we scored Colgate went down the court and scored or the refs took the ball out of our hands with some really bizarre calls.Colgate looked like the home team by their shooting and the refs ' giving them the calls.

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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:25 am

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Kpard wrote:
Thanks Steve, I always appreciate your perspective and insight. Clearly, Fran has a personnel problem right now. We have one healthy senior, one worthwhile junior, and are now forced to lean heavily on this froshman class. We roster 13 kids right now. Colgate has 18. I've never been to Hamilton, but, from what everyone says, it is a God forsaken place. So, how does anyone attract 18 kids to come play basketball in a hockey haven?
The incoming freshman class MUST be exceptional.


Anyone can roster 18 kids if you are willing to add a bunch of unrecruited walk-ons who will never play a meaningful minute.  No idea why Langel chooses to do this.  Seems like it must be disruptive to their practices.

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