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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:42 pm

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Where to start? Yikes!

I will acknowledge the obvious in that several of the Pards established players plus one promising newcomer (Guiduce) didn't participate due to injuries, but boy do we have a long way to go.

Glass half full - Boy did our defensive backs look good

Glass half empty - Yeah, but that is because they were going our offense

Biggest positives - Powe, Bissell

Biggest negative - lack of any semblance of a run offense

Hot take - I think Davis will start the season as the QB, but the #2 likely may not have been in uniform on Saturday.  Someone among the frosh quartet (or is it more) should have an opportunity to see the field early (and often) in '17. I think it is too much to ask for one of them to come in and start week one, but if they have the talent who knows?

Hot take II - ditto for the offensive line.  It is a lot to ask an 18-year old to start early in the season but the coaching staff may not have the option to season these newbs too much.

I am trying to remain positive.  I really am, but I am no Pollyana and can only judge on what I see.  Unfortunately, that is a group that has a long way to go.  Yes the defense has the chance to be pretty good but there is also the chance they will be on the field for 2/3 of the game.

Not sure Garrett knew what he was getting into here.

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:28 am

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Interesting take.   Probably more realistic than some of the others I read.   I did not make it to the game.

Defense is always hard to rate, if the offense is anemic.   How was the tackling?  My biggest concern on D from the last few seasons is we don't tackle with technique, no wrapping up, no driving through the ball carrier.  All "highlight hits" head down and try to run into them.

Offense probably gets a break, in that the oline didn't have Kern or Smith, which I believe would make a big difference.   Although it does highlight a depth issue.   Freshman starters on the oline are always tough, tho Kevin and Smith both started as frosh.  PL with no redshirt it is more plausible than most leagues, and if you are building toward the future, more experience the better.   This is one area even the most strident FT defender cannot defend him.   To have 9 on the roster this spring at OL is embarrassing.

I would hope we are focusing on run blocking on the Oline.   Usually the easiest to teach, most Olineman like to get after it rather than retreat.   We will need a run game.

We know Davis is mobile, I think that will be critical to the offense this year

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:46 am

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Yankeefan1922 wrote:


Not sure Garrett knew what he was getting into here.


It doesn't matter. He's here now and we'll see what kind of recruiter and coach he is pretty quickly.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:33 pm

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After about 10 mins of film review Coach Garrett knew exactly what he had and didnt have. Didnt much matter: his plans are long term built upon a change of culture at a school he recognized has so much to offer.

The remarkable recruiting yield with only a few weeks left before signing day last year has some of us in high anticipation of the first wave of offers.

The "no Pollyannas" will be ready to pounce with their negativity if things dont start well. Others of us will be more patient while having no doubt that Coach will get this thing turned around.

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:55 pm

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I think I have posted this before.   I am not terribly optimistic about this season.   I think we have under performed the last 2 years, but, not dramatically.   I also think we are extremely fortunate to have pulled in the class we did.   Here is my prediction for the season

Monmouth   0-1   Good team that is getting better, no academic restraints
Sacred Heart  1-1.   Not a slam dunk, but a winnable game
Nova 1-2.   We're not in this class.  They could be playoff bound
Princeton 1-3.   I think we have a chance, but our woes continue
Holy Cross 2-3   If there is a must win this season, this is it
Fordham 2-4   Team on the downturn, but still very talented
Harvard 2-5   These guys re-load every year.  Be nice to beat Micky  
Bucknell 3-5  Not an easy game.  Injuries/Depth may undo us here
Georgetown 4-5  Gotta win this game
Colgate 4-6  Beast of the Patriot league in my opinion
Lehigh 4-7 We can dream, but I don't see it

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:15 pm

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No quibble but I would note that Gate lacks a QB. Replacing Melville not easy and Hunt does not have a ready replacememt.

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:51 pm

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If I were setting the over/under on wins I would set it at 2.5.  I see this as likely a 2-9 season.  

Not beating HC in Worcester against Pujals.  Heck, the Crusaders third string QB making his first career start, completed 21 of 27 passes for 238 yards and three touchdowns at Fisher Stadium.

I don't think we are beating Bucknell, either.

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:12 pm

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Andy wrote:
After about 10 mins of film review Coach Garrett knew exactly what he had and didnt have. Didnt much matter: his plans are long term built upon a change of culture at a school he recognized has so much to offer.

The remarkable recruiting yield with only a few weeks left before signing day last year has some of us in high anticipation of the first wave of offers.

The "no Pollyannas" will be ready to pounce with their negativity if things dont start well. Others of us will be more patient while having no doubt that Coach will get this thing turned around.


True...The board is quiet because there's nothing to complain about at the moment.
I'm not into picking individual games. Injuries with these small rosters make the PL almost a toss up.  However....we are much better than many give us credit for.  The record is what it is.  But, remember these kids play uninspired ball for the past few years.  I don't see that happening anymore.  

We could have the best D in the league if our O can keep them off the field.  
5-5

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:02 pm

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[quote="Yankeefan1922:61430"]Where to start? Yikes!

I will acknowledge the obvious in that several of the Pards established players plus one promising newcomer (Guiduce) didn't participate due to injuries, but boy do we have a long way to go.

Glass half full - Boy did our defensive backs look good

Glass half empty - Yeah, but that is because they were going our offense

Biggest positives - Powe, Bissell

Biggest negative - lack of any semblance of a run offense

Hot take - I think Davis will start the season as the QB, but the #2 likely may not have been in uniform on Saturday. Someone among the frosh quartet (or is it more) should have an opportunity to see the field early (and often) in '17. I think it is too much to ask for one of them to come in and start week one, but if they have the talent who knows?

Hot take II - ditto for the offensive line. It is a lot to ask an 18-year old to start early in the season but the coaching staff may not have the option to season these newbs too much.

I am trying to remain positive. I really am, but I am no Pollyana and can only judge on what I see. Unfortunately, that is a group that has a long way to go. Yes the defense has the chance to be pretty good but there is also the chance they will be on the field for 2/3 of the game.

Not sure Garrett knew what he was getting into here.[/quo

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Sep 7 2015 "Powe reminds me of a defensive back we had within the last ten seasons or so who was tall (for a DB), smart, and tough. He played practically every down during his four years. Don't recall the guy's name. Anyway, Powe looks like he can play. Found 'im. Kyle Simmons.
K. Simmons 6'0 175 J. Powe 6'1 185"

Sep 12, 2015 "No surprise Powe is playing. They watched the same game last week that I did."

Feb 29 2016 Andy wrote congrats to Jerry Powe for earning 2015 Rookie of the Year. I followed with: "He had an excellent season. Favorite play-- and one that speaks to the level of effort he brought to each game--was when Powe caught a Harvard player from behind after he ( the Harvard guy)caught a pass in the flat and was headed up the sideline. The receiver is coming toward the replay camera as you see Powe tailing him and diving at the perfect moment to trip him up. Brown, Mrazek, and Powe are from the Chicago area."

Aug 25 2016 "Factor in an improved defense turning Powe and Bryant loose and four wins is a real possibility." Wrong on that one.

Nov 21 2016 Bethlehempard asked, "How many guys in FB or BB could start for Lehigh?" My reply: "BB--zippo. FB--They'd find a place for
Powe. I think we have a better punter."

Good call, pardfan. Any strong feelings today? Yes. FOH and Bruce must go.


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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:47 am

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Some dispute with specifics on 71's game by game countdown of the coming season (beating Pujals in Woo, 'gate as the best team in the League), but his prediction of 4 wins is spot on.  I would hesitate to name the "4," but I believe it's a magic number for Garrett and his staff.  Tavani left an empty cupboard with questions at QB, OL, RB, ... he!!, the entire offense, but if a coaching change means anything, and if Garrett is as good as we suspect/hope, 4 is achievable.  Less than that would be a disappointment.  More, and we can begin the process of sainthood.  Even the losses should be exciting.  New coach.  New attitude.  It's finally gonna be a fun year.
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:33 am

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Remembering the '03 Colgate game, Brown throwing the ball 3 feet over Graham's head, and Graham going up and grabbing it, time after time. They would use Mrazek the same way. I really believe that for any team with a quality QB who has time to throw, Mrazek would be all league. Any team except us the last 2 years. ( and I believe Reed was a quality QB. Why we didnt roll out more with him is a mystery). Mrazek = stud. Single coverage, go to him. Double coverage, throw it high, he'll get it. Use him!

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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:58 am

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Re: Mrazek

Agreed. And when the defense starts to focus on Matt, turn to your other beast receiver in Wadsworth.  A five yard TE slant would usually go for a first down because Dylan will drag the defender another five yards.

Wadsworth can be a nightmare for defenses to gameplan for.

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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:08 pm

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adcs2 wrote:
Wadsworth can be a nightmare for defenses to gameplan for.


+1

Watching Wadsworth turn a 7 yard catch in the seam into a 15 yard gain, with two LBs on his back and a safety dangling by both hands from his face mask, is my favorite of all offensive plays.

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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:09 pm

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Bogus Megapardus wrote:
adcs2 wrote:
Wadsworth can be a nightmare for defenses to gameplan for.


+1

Watching Wadsworth turn a 7 yard catch in the seam into a 15 yard gain, with two LBs on his back and a safety dangling by both hands from his face mask, is my favorite of all offensive plays.


Our very own Rob Gronkowski!

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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:03 pm

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Instead of GRONK it will be WADS!
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:05 am

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adcs2 wrote:
Re: Mrazek

Agreed. And when the defense starts to focus on Matt, turn to your other beast receiver in Wadsworth. A five yard TE slant would usually go for a first down because Dylan will drag the defender another five yards.

Wadsworth can be a nightmare for defenses to gameplan for.


Yes, and if we ever get a run game...look out!

I think some of us are having flash backs to the old staff. Offensives blinders, stubbornness and the square peg in round hole offensive scheme is out the window.  Garrett has clearly stated he intends to play to our strengths.(mrazek, wads and whoever else emerges).

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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:07 pm

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edge29 wrote:
I think some of us are having flash backs to the old staff. Offensives blinders, stubbornness and the square peg in round hole offensive scheme is out the window.


Of course you're correct. But for many (if not most) here - including me - Frank Tavani was *always* there; he was on the staff when I was on College Hill and it seemed like he'd out-live everybody.

So there's no comparative antecedent. In trying to put a square peg in a round hole, there isn't even a hole. For me, at least, wiping the slate clean with Coach Garrett means eliminating all that I've come to know and root for about Lafayette football, stubbornness, offensive blinders and all. That's tough to do.

The only thing I can do is to compare the new dynamic to the old once the cleats meet the turf in Long Branch, New Jersey come September. And at that point it might be more Rubik's Cube than pegs in holes.

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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:26 am

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Bogus Megapardus wrote:
edge29 wrote:
I think some of us are having flash backs to the old staff. Offensives blinders, stubbornness and the square peg in round hole offensive scheme is out the window.


Of course you're correct. But for many (if not most) here - including me - Frank Tavani was *always* there; he was on the staff when I was on College Hill and it seemed like he'd out-live everybody.

So there's no comparative antecedent. In trying to put a square peg in a round hole, there isn't even a hole. For me, at least, wiping the slate clean with Coach Garrett means eliminating all that I've come to know and root for about Lafayette football, stubbornness, offensive blinders and all. That's tough to do.

The only thing I can do is to compare the new dynamic to the old once the cleats meet the turf in Long Branch, New Jersey come September. And at that point it might be more Rubik's Cube than pegs in holes.


I hear you.  Who would have put money on Bruce bringing in a staff with absolutely no ties to the program??  

I'm optimistic in the fact that Garrett immediately recognized the beaten down culture and is working to changed it. Players quotes confirmed it may have happened the minute he first addressed them.  Then add in the fact that Thompson, a know quantity, makes a lateral move to join a program in the dumps.  Sure, GT to LC can be seen as a move up but he had a good resume at GT. It's a ballsy move to make with so many unknowns.  He recognizes the potential as well.

Finally, I keep repeating myself...we have the players.  Depth at oline is an issue. But I'm sick of hearing the other PL teams have so much more talent than us. That's complete BS!

So I'm already celebrating what's already happened whether we go 5-6 (oops...missed a game) or 9-2!  Go Pards and come on August!!

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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:42 pm

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Well, Coach Garrett did have a couple of ties to the Tavani staff -- Doug McFadden, Ian Dell (until he left for another job) and Luke Chiarolanzio. I would think he leaned on them a bit at the beginning, before hiring his OC and DC.

It'll be interesting to see JG's first depth chart whenever he gets around to putting it together.

Who do you think were the biggest winners from the "no incumbents" approach? I'd say that, as of now, the winners are Josh Davis, Rajhan Meriwether, T.J. Jones and Anthony Giudice.

The biggest loser, IMO, is Austin McCrum, who was not really an incumbent but had the inside track with the old staff. Would Davis have moved from  WR back to QB with Tavani et al? Doubtful.

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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:52 pm

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SIDELINER wrote:

Who do you think were the biggest winners from the "no incumbents" approach?


Davis and TJ Jones for sure. Plus I think there are a couple of guys who will have new roles created for them - Wadsworth and Powe come to mind. So the "no incumbents" rule can apply not only to the player but to the position itself.

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