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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:45 pm

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Yeah, I know its JUST the school newspaper but the quotes and feedback from Andy Fellingham  who owns the consulting firm is making me uneasy. We seem to be getting set up to examine everything but how to win games.
I've said it once and a I'll say it again, if this study ends up with nothing of substance to offer many of us are done!!

I am very nervous at this point, half way through the project.

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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:12 am

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I have zero confidence that they got this or anything right. Imagine you are one of those low paid assistants watching as the college lays out big bucks for this study. Sure it's a one time expense out of the athletic budget, but meanwhile you have to survive on Mac and cheese in a cramped apartment with two other coaches because AD mannequin can't to his job right.

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:09 pm

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I continue to hold out hope.  

On first read, I agree this is not a tone I like.   It seemed to have a slant to it perpetuating the theory all athletics are evil.   Comments including what role athletics play in "enhancement of the college and interaction with student life", "outcome of the athletics program aside from a w/l perspective"; "“We look at…how much are you spending, what enhancements cost".

Then again, it mentions how programs are resourced, and creating benchmarks against the others in the Patriot League.

I would like to believe further investments like we have seen with Coach John Garrett and his staff are the new wave.   We have tried "If you build it, they will come".    They (being the coaches and athletes necessary to be competitive) have not come, because the teams are bringing up the bottom of the league in almost every sport.    IMHO, this leads to a decline of student morale and/or pride, creating divisions on campus and not unity.

Holding my breath, hoping for the best

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:48 pm

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PardDad71 wrote:
I continue to hold out hope.  


Holding my breath, hoping for the best


As we all are. They seem to be asking to be evaluated on criteria where it doesn't look all that bad. (everything but won loss record). My guess is it's the administration of the department who would like to be judged on everything but won loss and blame that on the student athletes. It all means nothing if you don't win.

I wonder what would be the evaluation of a professor that failed everyone in the class? "Hey, I gave them all the material in the book, is it my fault they can't understand it!"

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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:00 pm

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Just a little story, hope it makes sense - This fall, I attended a student meeting with the LC admissions rep at my high school.  The rep did a great job giving his presentation.  A question came up regarding athletics.  He gave the stock answer on number of men's and women's teams, the fact that we are one of the smallest D1 schools in the nation and then joked about our lousy winning percentage.

I guess my point is that winning matters to some extent to everyone.  It clearly did for this admission rep.  Imagine if he could say that we won multiple PL championships in 2015-2016.

For me personally, as a recruit way back when, one of Spag's selling points was that Coach Russo didn't have a losing season at LC.  Now, he wasn't killing it every year, but he was over .500 and that made an impact on me as a 17 year old.  I visited more "prestigious" schools, some with way better facilities (at that time), but none of them made that claim.  There has to be other kids with that same mindset.  Winning matters.

A couple days ago, I spoke to a current girl's lax parent, whose other daughter is a verbal commit.  They are excited about Pres. Byerly and the future.  To me, that is really good news and bolsters my optimism.  But, like everyone here, I hope we don't screw the pooch on, or with, this study.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:46 am

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Lafalum wrote:
I wonder what would be the evaluation of a professor that failed everyone in the class? "Hey, I gave them all the material in the book, is it my fault they can't understand it!"
In the modern era of grade inflation, this would be a welcome change. Imagine if a professor actually failed students who did not exhibit competency in the course material? This just does not happen today with a B+ average GPA across the College, just like Lake Wobegon.

Hopefully the consultant recommends holding coaches and department leaders accountable for all relevant metrics - INCLUDING win/loss records. I have no problem with them looking at more than W/L; however, if they exclude W/L from their analysis, they are doing the College and more importantly, the students, a great disservice.

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:02 am

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Winning matters in all walks of life.   Winning the right way matters to people like me, and I suspect most people on this forum.

If I was Grand Poobah for a day (OK as long as the study takes), my burning question would be, why aren't we winning?    We are in the right league (not like we have and admissions standard way higher than the rest of the league, we are on par); We have at least average facilities (Football very strong, swimming / diving very strong, basketball strong, and probably average everywhere else; we have been able to recruit the occasional outstanding player, so we should be able to get more.  

So, where is the problem.

I have my own idea, but it will be interesting to see what comes out of the study.    Someone mentioned the recruiter at the local high school laughing about the w/l record.  Losing becomes a culture, not just for the athletic teams, but for the institution itself.....basically its ok not to do your best, its ok to except mediocrity.

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:11 pm

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Chicago Cubs hadn't won a World Series title in 108 years. A former Lafayette baseball player fixed that. If we really want to pay tribute to the Cubs manager, we have to Win Like Joe.

It's the only way.

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:31 pm

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As Joe would say -  Try not to Suck

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:36 pm

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By the way, how is this study similar to, or different than, the previous study conducted under Weiss and Jim Dicker?

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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:27 pm

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It remains to be seen!

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