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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:50 am

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Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It is not what you can see that will matter the most. Do you know how hard the players are working? How much weight have we added? How much strength have we gained? How much faster have we gotten? Do you know how much money and resources are being put out by the families of the student athletes?

Speculation can move markets but faith can move mountains.

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:42 am

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Faith and dedication have never been in short supply with Lafayette football.

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:00 am

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I would second Honda's comments.  It seems the bored (oops board) has turned on Garrett very quickly.   While I enjoy PRs columns, his latest column makes it very clear he is not reporting but getting personal.  For whatever reason he doesn't have access to JG and staff like he did with FT.   That has upset him, so stereo typically of today's press he is attacking in a show of power.

many posters have attacked his hires, the turnover, the lack of transparency (depth chart etc) that we feel entitled to, but honestly don't really have any claim to (as a donor I could claim I support the program and thus deserve inside info - however my 2 cents is I support the program because I love the pards and expect nothing in return).

I've said it a couple times, I do not expect a huge turnaround this season.  The OLine is too thin, and I believe has gotten thinner.  QB will be too inexperienced.  The defense will be better but not enough to win with defense alone.  3 wins would be about what I expect.  

I fear for what will come out on this board if that does happen

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:23 pm

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Perhaps you are reading a different board than I am? I see a lot of routine speculation about a quiet process. The coordinator departure should have been disclosed by the school. The rest isn't big stuff. I suspect we will, somehow, someway, God willing, find an equipment manager.

It's a tough job I know -- seriously it is -- but somebody will be there to hand out pads and socks.

As for generalities about the media based on a blog comment, really?

My very humble opinion is, the less commenting on politics, the better.

This year, we will see. I don't expect an immediate turnaround. That wouldn't be realistic. Every other team is trying to get better and Lafayette has some huge holes.

We had some wildly optimistic even gloating predictions last year on this board. That reminded me of this wise comment:

Abraham Lincoln — 'The hen is the wisest of all the animals in creation, because she never cackles until the egg is laid.'

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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:00 pm

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bethlehempard wrote:
Perhaps you are reading a different board than I am? I see a lot of routine speculation about a quiet process. The coordinator departure should have been disclosed by the school. The rest isn't big stuff. I suspect we will, somehow, someway, God willing, find an equipment manager.

It's a tough job I know -- seriously it is -- but somebody will be there to hand out pads and socks.

As for generalities about the media based on a blog comment, really?

My very humble opinion is, the less commenting on politics, the better.

This year, we will see. I don't expect an immediate turnaround. That wouldn't be realistic. Every other team is trying to get better and Lafayette has some huge holes.

We had some wildly optimistic even gloating predictions last year on this board. That reminded me of this wise comment:

Abraham Lincoln — 'The hen is the wisest of all the animals in creation, because she never cackles until the egg is laid.'



Just my opinion, the tone of the board has changed.  I tend to be the eternal optimist, and generally believe people are good at their jobs, and do them better than I could.   As for the press, I have been disgusted by the majority of people in the press since the 1970's, and generally will never give any of them the benefit of the doubt (I have a personal bias here)

Some comments over the last month or so that caught my attention mostly center on Bartel leaving, the criticism of him even being hired, and Coach Garrett not bringing on the right people.   Some of it certainly is directed at the administration, and I am guilty of that as well.  At least once someone has questioned the hiring of JG, and a couple more comments about the staffs qualifications.

We can certainly agree to disagree on how we view people's posts.

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Happy and Safe 4th everyone

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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:38 pm

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Indeed. When there isn't a lot going on, little things get blown out of proportion. I'm feeling good about the FB season but I understand the concern about a first-year head coach.
I saw some games up very close last year. The muddle of frustration and unpreparedness against Bucknell proved to the last few holdouts that it was time for a change.
Direction and improvement and goals. I'll settle for some clarity on the field. I'm not counting on a lot of wins but a Pard can hope. One thing, there won't be a more fit PL team this fall based on the spring workouts. Very demanding.

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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:15 pm

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[quote="PardDad71:61991"]I would second Honda's comments.  It seems the bored (oops board) has turned on Garrett very quickly.   While I enjoy PRs columns, his latest column makes it very clear he is not reporting but getting personal.  For whatever reason he doesn't have access to JG and staff like he did with FT.   That has upset him, so stereo typically of today's press he is attacking in a show of power.


There's no doubt Reinhard's latest blog was more personal, but it didn't seem to be aimed at anyone but himself. Often, all blogs have a very personal message. Reinhard's blogs are usually more like columns which touch on things he doesn't get into print. He opined in this latest one about how he gets what information he gets. PardDad71 admits a personal bias that causes him to distrust virtually all media. Maybe reporting type blogs in  the future will be more to his liking. The new season should soon provide information.

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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:55 pm

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Coach Garret deserves our support until he demonstrates otherwise.. He's starting out in a hole that he must dig out of. He seems to have preserved the recruiting class and even to have added a few of his own after a really late start To the extent it's good he managed to keep most of the team in tact.Whether the coaching defections are his fault remains to be determined.The $90000 budget cut can't be blamed on him.He also lacks an experienced QB.The chicken - egg question regarding the run game is still open- bad run game , lack of talented RB's or weak OL ? How he fixes that conundrum will go a long way toward helping the QB, keeping the D off the field,and overall improvement of the offense.No Bill Russo turnaround can be expected no matter how welcome . The coach will earn his money righting this ship.No offense (no pun intended) to anyone out there but there are just too many unanswered questions at this point to form any opinion about Coach Garret.To the extent it's relevant he does have a great pedigree.I don't think anyone in his family isn't a football coach.

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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:59 pm

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What matters most is how the players feel about their coaches. Everybody will have an opinion from the outside looking in except the players. The administration managed to get a great coach. The coach managed to get some great coaches. The coaches managed to get some great players. I believe we will have a great season.
      Last year this time, I was so excited. I constantly looked for news about Lafayette. Leopard print items started appearing all around the house on a daily basis. Everything I saw and heard made me more excited. That is, until I got my first board lashing. Other freshmen parents began to call and have concerns.

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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:55 pm

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1990honda wrote:
What matters most is how the players feel about their coaches. Everybody will have an opinion from the outside looking in except the players. The administration managed to get a great coach. The coach managed to get some great coaches. The coaches managed to get some great players. I believe we will have a great season.
      Last year this time, I was so excited. I constantly looked for news about Lafayette. Leopard print items started appearing all around the house on a daily basis. Everything I saw and heard made me more excited. That is, until I got my first board lashing. Other freshmen parents began to call and have concerns.


This board can be a double-edged sword. We tend to shoot down optimism pretty quickly, but I don't know how much of it is overboard.

I'm going to be disappointed with anything less than 4 wins. I don't think we're that far off, and our schedule isn't quite as brutal this year. I think Tavani could have gotten us to 4 - I fully expect coach G to do it.

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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:43 am

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I can not speak for everybody. My experience with Lafayette College is limited to about 24 months. I am still a newbie. My wounds are few and my memories are limited. I can not compare what I see now to much of anything from the past. I believe a lot of people look at this board. Compare the views to the comments and you will see great disparity. It would be great to have some football talk under the football tab and everything else under the everything else tab. Today is a big day for Lafayette football.

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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:49 am

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Love today - its when you know football is getting close.   2 more months, cant wait to see the team

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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:51 am

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Are you going to be there? Will any of you be there this week?

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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:09 am

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may try to sneak over, but doubtful

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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:37 pm

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59 days to the opener. Competition,Competition and more Competition.

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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:48 am

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Am I missing something, or isn't it true that the workouts that began yesterday and go for the next couple of weeks are voluntary and not really practices? Aren't the players working with Brad Potts and isn't it true that the coaches can't have anything to do with the workouts?  If the kids run some pass skellies of their own, that's OK, but the skellies can't be coached. I don't think the coaches are even supposed to be on the sidelines watching.

Summer camp supposedly opens Aug. 2, when players officially check in, and Aug. 3, the first practice.

There should be nearly a fu ll squad taking part in the workouts this month, if recent past years are an indicator. And, the participation will be a good indicator of the team's desire to form some strong bonds right from the start.

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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:24 am

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I'll not claim to actually know the answer.   However there used to be (and I believe still is) two versions of voluntary workouts.   It used to differentiate between if the player was enrolled in classes (do online classes count now?) or not.   Strength and Conditioning at one point was considered separate.

No idea how this impacts incoming freshman and transfers.

Be interested if anyone knows the general rules that apply today

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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:27 am

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SIDELINER wrote:
Am I missing something, or isn't it true that the workouts that began yesterday and go for the next couple of weeks are voluntary and not really practices? Aren't the players working with Brad Potts and isn't it true that the coaches can't have anything to do with the workouts?  


We answered this back during pre-spring workouts. The NCAA allows a certain number of hours of mandatory conditioning. Coaches may be present. Coaches may not be present during NCAA defined voluntary or discretionary workouts.

SIDELINER wrote:

Great stuff, but I thought coaches were not allowed to be present for those workouts -- only perhaps the strength and conditioning guy (Potts). I thought I saw Coach Bartel and maybe another one. Was I mistaken?

Less than three weeks to the start of spring practice.

Andy wrote:

No "skill instruction" outside of spring practice allocated hours and in- season.  There are hours of mandatory conditioning and film review.  Don't know of any rule that says no coaches present. During "discretionary" periods, no coaches present.  Also, during summer school mandatory conditioning hours, coaches may be present.////

I'll try to find the pertinent section of the NCAA manual where I got that from.


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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:43 am

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17.1.7.2.1.5
Summer Athletic Activities.

17.1.7.2.1.5.2  Football.  [FBS/FCS]
In  football,  a  student-athlete  who  is  enrolled  in  summer  
school may engage in required weight-training, conditioning and review of practice and game film for up to eight weeks (not required to be consecutive weeks). A student-athlete who is enrolled in at least three degree-applicable (pursuant to Bylaw 14.4.3.1.7) credit hours in one summer term that is fewer than eight weeks in duration may engage in required weight-training, conditioning and review of practice and game film for up to eight weeks (not required to be consecutive). Participation in such activities shall be limited to a maximum of eight hours per week with not more than two hours per week spent on film review.
(Adopted: 10/30/13, Revised: 4/28/16)

During these required or mandatory conditioning workouts and film review coaches may be present (no skill instruction, of course, during the conditioning hours by coaches). When the kids do 7 on 7 skill stuff, that is voluntary so coaches may NOT be present.

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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:36 pm

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this is why the ncaa is a joke.   so many loopholes, even I could jump through them

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