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aerodomer

2016 Patriot League Swimming Championships

Through the first 3 days, 5 school records have been set: Men's 200 Individual Medley (Greg Grewal), Women's 400 Medley Relay (Sydney Wight, Noelle Buckley, Jackie Andrews, Julia Hall), Men's 100 Breaststroke (Grewal), Women's 100 Butterfly (Andrews), Men's 100 Butterfly (Chris Wickwire).

Fourth and final session is tomorrow.  There may be more records, and it will be the end of the Lafayette career of Grewal, one of the most accomplished male swimmers in school history, Wickwire, the best male butterflier in school history, and Andrews, the best female butterflier in school history.

Find all the information here, if you're so inclined: http://www.patriotleague.org/ot/championships/16-c-swim-champs.html
NewXbo

Congratulations to the record breakers.  Unfortunately, our team standings are 8th and 9th at the end of Friday.  I still think spending $5,000,000 for cosmetic changes is a waste of money.
aerodomer

Can't argue with that.  The results are what happens when you compete against full scholarship teams on a shoestring budget.  I'd rather they'd spent the money on scholarships, even partial ones.  I don't think it would take much to start being even average in the league.
ed65

NewXbo wrote:
Congratulations to the record breakers.  Unfortunately, our team standings are 8th and 9th at the end of Friday.  I still think spending $5,000,000 for cosmetic changes is a waste of money.


Totally agree, and apparently it still will not be 8 lanes.  Why couldn't they talk this guy out of the cosmetics and into scholies.  Unbelievable - it is so obvious that is what is needed.  Maybe they can convince him to give more money for the aid that they need.
Lafalum

ed65 wrote:
NewXbo wrote:
Congratulations to the record breakers.  Unfortunately, our team standings are 8th and 9th at the end of Friday.  I still think spending $5,000,000 for cosmetic changes is a waste of money.


Totally agree, and apparently it still will not be 8 lanes.  Why couldn't they talk this guy out of the cosmetics and into scholies.  Unbelievable - it is so obvious that is what is needed.  Maybe they can convince him to give more money for the aid that they need.


That would be called mgt  of the Athletic Dept. If we were interested in improving the "program" that's what we should do.
aerodomer

We discussed this a few months ago, about the number of times the school has resisted taking money for things like this, particularly for the swim program.  Not sure it's completely the donor's fault it didn't go to scholarships.

And since this is also about the actual sport, on Saturday, Greg Grewal lowered his own school record in the 200 breast to 1:57.97, earning another NCAA B cut and coming in third.  Chris Wickwire also broke is own record in the 200 fly, coming in 12th in 1:50.16.  Jackie Andrews came in 12th in the 200 fly, her second final, and she's the only individual woman on the team to final in any event the past three years.

A few underclass men made finals, and several male and female swimmers were close.  At this point, the Patriot League has gotten so fast with scholarship swimmers at other schools, that it's taking school record breaking swims just to make a final (top 8 or 16).
pardfan

Here's how it worked in at least one instance:

1.) The College identified the need (No. IMO the College (certainly the President) does not sit around thinking about increasing the number of scholarships in a sport so we can be more competitive.  Physical plant improvements...that's something different.)
2.) The College tried to identify a donor who had two things:
      a.) Lotta dough.
      b.) Some sort of association with the sport or activity.  Bourger--
           football.  Weinberg--swimming  (I don't know about Bourger; but, I
           definitely recall Weinberg being identified as a lead donor.)
3.) The College came up with plans and tried to energize the potential donor by suggesting he or she become a "lead" donor.  In other words, they didn't have to give the full amount (maybe 60-70%).  Just enough that the College wouldn't regret putting a spade in the ground in the event that others might not follow.  The crucial point: The College saw the need.

I agree with previous posters--waste of money.  
NewXbo

Nothing is gained by spending $5 million on cosmetic changes. Us Dutchmen call it putting lipstick on a pig. Its still a pig.

I don't have a problem with it being a non-scholarship sport. But it could be a better program if a better facility was built. It doesn't have to be as impressive as Bucknell's. They're in the middle of the state and are convenient for hosting the PIAA swimming championship.

Another issue I've heard about is Admissions. Example: 2 students, one an ok swimmer, sprinter, tennis player, etc., the other a difference maker. Both have the same academic scores, one is full pay, the other needs aid. Admissions always takes the full pay. If admissions would be willing to work with the coach and accept the better athlete, we would see improvement in performances.

This is where I believe the Athletic Director should step in and negotiate with the coach and admissions person.
ed65

While suspect New XBO is correct, this is one of the first times (as least on this board) that I have seen it stated so openly.  It is a disgrace if this is the case in a time when we have athletic scholarships.
ed65

aerodomer wrote:
We discussed this a few months ago, about the number of times the school has resisted taking money for things like this, particularly for the swim program.  Not sure it's completely the donor's fault it didn't go to scholarships.

And since this is also about the actual sport, on Saturday, Greg Grewal lowered his own school record in the 200 breast to 1:57.97, earning another NCAA B cut and coming in third.  Chris Wickwire also broke is own record in the 200 fly, coming in 12th in 1:50.16.  Jackie Andrews came in 12th in the 200 fly, her second final, and she's the only individual woman on the team to final in any event the past three years.

A few underclass men made finals, and several male and female swimmers were close.  At this point, the Patriot League has gotten so fast with scholarship swimmers at other schools, that it's taking school record breaking swims just to make a final (top 8 or 16).


If enough people mention the need for scholarship money to the President (as I have several times) maybe she will change her thinking on this.
aerodomer

NewXbo's right.  Bucknell's facility would be overkill; something like Colgate's with decent seating might be a better option.  Loyola's pool would be fantastic, but probably tending towards overkill.

Admissions had been a problem.  A couple of years ago, three female swimmer with 3.8 GPAs didn't get in.  With 8000+ applications this year, it's going to get even harder; the coach gets no breaks.  He just got some money allocated to help those with need; not a swim scholarship, but need-based money for kids who couldn't come without it.

ed65, I'm just a parent with no contact with the President, so not sure I can help change her mind.
ed65

Au contraire, mon ami: the more people who talk to the President, the better.  As a parent, you have standing since you are one of the constituencies who pay the bills!  And I suspect you have already been contacted to make financial contributions to the college!
NewXbo

Our good friend and Lafayette College support Tony Rhodin has just posted an article regarding the start of construction of the pool "improvements" on Lehighvalleylive.com . Also include is a video with John Leone praising the project.

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