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bethlehempard

2016 prognostications

FWIW: The Sports Network ranks the Patriot League eighth of 13 FCS conferences. The Missouri Valley is No. 1, the Pioneer League is last, while the Big South is seventh and the Ivies are a spot behind us. TSN favors Colgate or Fordham to win.
It also points out that Harvard has been 7-3 or better for 15 years.

Campus Insiders predicts:
1-Fordham
2-Colgate
3-Lehigh
4-Holy Cross
5-Bucknell
6-Lafayette
7-Georgetown
bethlehempard

A look at CCSU from a few months back from Fox Sports (note the omission at the end):

CENTRAL CONNECTICUT STATE

2015 Records: 4-7 overall, 3-3 NEC (Tie/3rd)

Spring Practices: March 15-April 23

Storyline: Optimism abounds with the Blue Devils considering their two-deep was filled with underclassmen in coach Pete Rossomando's second season last year. One of the main goals this spring is to rebuild the offensive line, which had seniors on the left side. Sophomore quarterback Jake Dolegala is probably the favorite to be the starter after he shared the spot with Tavion Pauldo when both were freshmen last year. Although running back Cameron Nash had a breakout campaign with a team-best 676 yards, the Blue Devils are getting back Brenden Lytton, who was expected to be the starter but was injured in preseason camp. Defensive coordinator Andrew Christ welcomes back most of his starters, including cornerback Jevon Elmore, who racked up 18 passes defended, and safety Najae Brown in the secondary. Improvement is vital because the Blue Devils have a tough non-conference schedule which includes James Madison, Coastal Carolina and Penn.
bethlehempard

Another outlook for 2016, not good, I'm not familiar with the source but the "rick bottom" typo doesn't help them.

http://bilofootball.blogspot.com/...riot-league-2016-preview.html?m=1

Projected Order of Finish
1. Fordham
2. Colgate
3. Holy Cross
4. Lehigh
5. Bucknell
6. Georgetown
7. Lafayette
Andy

bethlehempard wrote:
Another outlook for 2016, not good, I'm not familiar with the source but the "rick bottom" typo doesn't help them.

http://bilofootball.blogspot.com/...riot-league-2016-preview.html?m=1

Projected Order of Finish
1. Fordham
2. Colgate
3. Holy Cross
4. Lehigh
5. Bucknell
6. Georgetown
7. Lafayette


This fellow is an ill-informed idiot. Not one mention of injuries last year. His statement that "the years of Lafayette being competitive have been long gone" shows his ignorance.  Beat every team in the league over 2 years (way back in '13 & '14) including the #5 team in the country and a championship.  Just another worthless prediction based on last year's record/stats.   I can't wait for the season to show these clowns up.
killaBee

  I can't wait for the season to show these clowns up.[/quote]



You and I both.... I cant wait to hear everyone yelling good things from the stands...
Lafalum

One at time guys......one at a time......win the first one and set the tone!!!
SixtyEighter

I wonder who he thinks we can beat since he gives us another 1 win season.
bethlehempard

A balanced look from goblackknights.com, see https://army.n.rivals.com/news/20...nt-spring-preview-lafayette-free-

2016 SEASON OUTLOOK

Lafayette has one of the oldest football programs in the country, celebrating their 135th year of football in 2016. They have won 3 national championships and 7 Patriot League championships. Head coach, Frank Tavini begins his 16th season at the helm of the Lafayette program and 29th year overall at Lafayette. He was granted a contract extension through the 2016 season after winning the Patriot League championship in 2013, but finished with a 3-3 record in the PL in 2014 and an overall record of 5-6. They were picked to finish 4th in the PL in 2015, but obviously that didn’t happen. The Leopards were unfortunate in facing 4 teams ranked in the Top 25 of the FCS last season, and Colgate and Fordham are both picked to finish in the top 25 of the FCS again this year, which doesn’t bode well for Lafayette. They have a lot of young players returning; so they should expect to improve on their 1-10 record of last year but are unlikely to finish any higher than 3d in the conference.
Andy

killaBee wrote:
.... I cant wait to hear everyone yelling good things from the stands...


These kids are talented, but they're not miracle workers...Smile
NE Leopard

My prediction is 4-7 assuming we get off to a good start with a win over CCSU. 5-6 is a stretch prediction and 6-5 would be a miracle season for the Pards.
CCSU - W
Delaware - L
Princeton - L
Villanova - L
Holy Cross - Swing Game
Fordham - L
Army - L
Bucknell - W
Georgetown - W
Colgate - L
Lehigh - W
killaBee

CCSU - W
Delaware - W
Princeton - L
Villanova - W
Holy Cross -L
Fordham - W
Army - L
Bucknell - W
Georgetown - W
Colgate - L
Lehigh - W

Cool Well everyone, I am a realist and I see at a minimum of 7 - 4.  Any thoughts?
Pardman

3-8 and we'll call it success...ugh!!
1990honda

We win against  CCSU   1-0

We win against  Delaware / they lost 3 starting DL (Heart of defense)    2-0

We win against  Princeton / they lost 2 leading rushers, 2 top dbs / 3 starting  offensive linemen/ top receiver/ lost 35 seniors        3-0
bethlehempard

A balanced look but a negative outlook:

http://www.college-sports-journal...6-fcs-preview-lafayette-leopards/

CCSU is "a very winnable game" (good thing there) and there is some good context on the Leopards.
Still a sixth-place forecast.

Lafayette In Two Sentences: Lafayette’s 1-10 season in 2015 was unexpected by pretty much anyone who has ever watched a Frank Tavani team in action. They have the talent to turn it around – if they can find some stability in the trenches and Reed returns to his freshman year form.
bethlehempard

A spring view on CCSU:

http://www.courant.com/sports/col...football-0424-20160423-story.html
bethlehempard

A look at the NEC that picks CCSU fifth:

http://www.college-sports-journal...preview-the-northeast-conference/
The Maroon

If we don't win the CCSU game (anyone remember Robert Morris?) than an O-fer is VERY possible. In fact I arge we need a convincing win over them for mental reasons. The murderers row of opponents following that game can wear a teams psyche down and the "Lafayette has won one of its last 17 games" (I'm making the number up) becomes the narrative.  

I have us going 4-7, with 3 wins coming in the 2nd half of the season. I would consider this a success and start believing in the future should we pull that off. That opening game is HUGE, the most important opener we've had in my memory.
Lafalum

The Maroon wrote:
 

That opening game is HUGE, the most important opener we've had in my memory.


Totally agree!!
Andy

The Maroon wrote:
I have us going 4-7, with 3 wins coming in the 2nd half of the season. I would consider this a success and start believing in the future should we pull that off.


IDK, Aaron.  We have 2 senior QBs and scholarship talent all over the field.  3-3 in the league and a win over CCSU doesnt seem like enough. Another so-so season wouldn't seem to justify optimism for the future any more than it would the expectation for more of the same, IMO. Other than playing with 3 fewer schols than the rest of the league, what would our excuse be?  How about at least 4-2 in the league and one upset OOC? 6-5
The Maroon

Andy wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
I have us going 4-7, with 3 wins coming in the 2nd half of the season. I would consider this a success and start believing in the future should we pull that off.


IDK, Aaron.  We have 2 senior QBs and scholarship talent all over the field.  3-3 in the league and a win over CCSU doesnt seem like enough. Another so-so season wouldn't seem to justify optimism for the future any more than it would the expectation for more of the same, IMO. Other than playing with 3 fewer schols than the rest of the league, what would our excuse be?  How about at least 4-2 in the league and one upset OOC? 6-5


I like that we have a pretty nice looking starting OL - IF they can stay healthy because question marks loom big after what I see as a starting group of the brothers Z, Staudle, Kern and Donnelley. If we get some luck and these guys can by and large stay healthy and one or two of the frosh are all-league caliber down the road, well that will help get us to your goal.

I can see what you envision happening - we're just going to need some good luck to balance out all the bad luck we had last year.
bethlehempard

http://northeastconference.org/news/2016/7/20/FB_0720162605.aspx

CCSU gets the fifth of seven slots in the league. Their third-year coach appears to be a fiery sort.
I wonder how the PL never grabbed Duquesne. Football, regional, airport, big city. That would be nice.
It's a new season. Somehow getting out early at 2-2 would be a great base.
Yes Game One is big. Not the whole season but big. Lafayette has to shock a couple teams this year and it's been done. Remember Fordham!
Everybody else is trying to get better too. Picking Fordham and Colgate at the top is the safe pick but the logical one too.
The only opponent who clearly hasn't gotten better is Georgetown.
bison137

bethlehempard wrote:

I wonder how the PL never grabbed Duquesne. Football, regional, airport, big city. That would be nice.



In some ways, Duquesne would be a reasonable addition - but its academics are a big issue.    It is a "less selective" school with SAT's/GPA's that are MUCH lower than the rest of the PL.  A significant percentage of their recruits would not be admissible with the floor of the AI in play.  If a major change was made to the AI, I imagine Duquesne would happily switch leagues.   But their inclusion would dramatically change the academic emphasis of the PL.   Might have to go that route at some point however.
edge29

The Maroon wrote:
Andy wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
I have us going 4-7, with 3 wins coming in the 2nd half of the season. I would consider this a success and start believing in the future should we pull that off.


IDK, Aaron.  We have 2 senior QBs and scholarship talent all over the field.  3-3 in the league and a win over CCSU doesnt seem like enough. Another so-so season wouldn't seem to justify optimism for the future any more than it would the expectation for more of the same, IMO. Other than playing with 3 fewer schols than the rest of the league, what would our excuse be?  How about at least 4-2 in the league and one upset OOC? 6-5


I like that we have a pretty nice looking starting OL - IF they can stay healthy because question marks loom big after what I see as a starting group of the brothers Z, Staudle, Kern and Donnelley. If we get some luck and these guys can by and large stay healthy and one or two of the frosh are all-league caliber down the road, well that will help get us to your goal.

I can see what you envision happening - we're just going to need some good luck to balance out all the bad luck we had last year.



You're both correct.  There's a lot of talent in in Easton.  Some of the guys we know will help us have yet to see the field.

But since we're a step behind Gate and Fordham, we shouldn't expect too much of a change.  I'm thinking we'll finish in the middle of the pack at worst with a heartbreaker or 2.  

Frank needs to give this team the confident-don't-give-crap swagger that teams of the past had.  It came from Frank's attitude.  You could tell from his interviews.  That's been missing the past few years.  Maybe it's the result of losing seasons or maybe it's the cause of the losing seasons.  He can't begin the season and lead with the "whoa is me" attitude.  

Remember the last game he went in to with THE attitude?  150!

Go Pards!
Pardsfriend

2016

I don't buy that we are behind Gate', and base it upon my observations and recruiting in their program.  Recruits materialize when they contribute on the field, and not before.  We have athletes to effectively compete with Gate. Fordham, on the other hand, may have an advantage on the edge, but I'm not convinced we won't be very competitive with them also.

 I recognize more than ever that games against both will be decided up front first, and then how consistent we are on the defensive side of the ball.  If we can run the ball, we have the opportunity to win both games, as well as most on the 2016 schedule.
edge29

Re: 2016

Pardsfriend wrote:
I don't buy that we are behind Gate', and base it upon my observations and recruiting in their program.  Recruits materialize when they contribute on the field, and not before.  We have athletes to effectively compete with Gate. Fordham, on the other hand, may have an advantage on the edge, but I'm not convinced we won't be very competitive with them also.

 I recognize more than ever that games against both will be decided up front first, and then how consistent we are on the defensive side of the ball.  If we can run the ball, we have the opportunity to win both games, as well as most on the 2016 schedule.


I wasn't specific enough.  We are wayyy behind CU and FU in terms of a winning culture.  i also think we've done pretty well with recruiting even though we always seem to have one hand tied behind our back.  We can't get the money for that one extra scholarship but the school can afford these.

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/e...ege-expansion-20160722-story.html

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/e...uge_outdoo.html#incart_river_home
NewXbo

Re: 2016

edge29 wrote:
Pardsfriend wrote:
I don't buy that we are behind Gate', and base it upon my observations and recruiting in their program.  Recruits materialize when they contribute on the field, and not before.  We have athletes to effectively compete with Gate. Fordham, on the other hand, may have an advantage on the edge, but I'm not convinced we won't be very competitive with them also.

 I recognize more than ever that games against both will be decided up front first, and then how consistent we are on the defensive side of the ball.  If we can run the ball, we have the opportunity to win both games, as well as most on the 2016 schedule.


I wasn't specific enough.  We are wayyy behind CU and FU in terms of a winning culture.  i also think we've done pretty well with recruiting even though we always seem to have one hand tied behind our back.  We can't get the money for that one extra scholarship but the school can afford these.

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/e...ege-expansion-20160722-story.html

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/e...uge_outdoo.html#incart_river_home



Let's quit making excuses and get the job done. It's about getting the job done on the field.
NewXbo

Re: 2016

NewXbo wrote:
edge29 wrote:
Pardsfriend wrote:
I don't buy that we are behind Gate', and base it upon my observations and recruiting in their program.  Recruits materialize when they contribute on the field, and not before.  We have athletes to effectively compete with Gate. Fordham, on the other hand, may have an advantage on the edge, but I'm not convinced we won't be very competitive with them also.

 I recognize more than ever that games against both will be decided up front first, and then how consistent we are on the defensive side of the ball.  If we can run the ball, we have the opportunity to win both games, as well as most on the 2016 schedule.


I wasn't specific enough.  We are wayyy behind CU and FU in terms of a winning culture.  i also think we've done pretty well with recruiting even though we always seem to have one hand tied behind our back.  We can't get the money for that one extra scholarship but the school can afford these.

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/e...ege-expansion-20160722-story.html

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/e...uge_outdoo.html#incart_river_home



Let's quit making excuses and get the job done. It's about getting the job done on the field and not worry about construction jobs.
Pardsfriend

2016

NXBO your right on the mark.

We have more than enough players to succeed on the field!
Andy

Down to 12 OL.  Elliott and Varischetti off the roster.
BillS

Andy wrote:
Down to 12 OL.  Elliott and Varischetti off the roster.
Yikes !!!Do we know if they were partial or full scholarship recruits?
Andy

BillS wrote:
Andy wrote:
Down to 12 OL.  Elliott and Varischetti off the roster.
Yikes !!!Do we know if they were partial or full scholarship recruits?


According to westernpafootball.com, Varischetti was a preferred walkon.  Elliott tweeted his offer on Sept 24, did not claim full.   May be significant numbers wise, as Frank has expressed desire to have 3 full sets of OL in practice.
flyfisher

Andy wrote:
Down to 12 OL.  Elliott and Varischetti off the roster.

Probably will be one more unfortunately. Camp starts in a week. Should know then.
Andy

It's August!  Won't be long now 'till them Friday night lights in New Britain!  Go Pards!
killaBee

GOOOOOOOO LEOPARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SixtyEighter

Could be DL to OL time again.
edge29

Tavani..."We lost 3 more players, 2 of which are starters".

WTH is going on!?!?!?!?
killaBee

Do you know what positions, and who the players are?
edge29

He also mentioned a DLinemen moving to OL but nothing specific.
Franks Tanks

edge29 wrote:
Tavani..."We lost 3 more players, 2 of which are starters".

WTH is going on!?!?!?!?


If that is the case Frank needs to look in the mirror to understand why the kids he is recruiting, and mentoring, are so unreliable.  Defections, suspensions and injuries leave the team in poor positions year after year.  Is he recruiting the wrong kids, or do they all leave/lose motivation after being in the program for a while?  I hate to say it, but I think we are looking at 2-3 wins again this year.  The attitude of the team seems poor and camp hasn't even started yet.
edge29

Can someone in the know confirm? We only seem to get hints here.[/quote]
Franks Tanks

Edge, where did you see Frank's comments?
Andy

we're the only team w/out a first team pre-season all-PL selection.
edge29

Franks Tanks wrote:
Edge, where did you see Frank's comments?


Facebook coverage of media day.


https://www.facebook.com/GoLeopards/?fref=ts
Andy

roster stands at 84 after the freshman (walk-on) defections. Frank says 81 in camp. Speranza out with shoulder surgery, Butler (starter) out with illness. Awaiting the third.
PessimisticPard

Andy wrote:
Down to 12 OL.  Elliott and Varischetti off the roster.


Clayton running them off??? Too intense and overworking the few he has....
Andy

PessimisticPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Down to 12 OL.  Elliott and Varischetti off the roster.


Clayton running them off??? Too intense and overworking the few he has....


Those two hadn't gotten here yet. Stan will have a strong OL this year.

Why is Fordham blocking LSN broadcast of the game? I'll be there anyway, but....

CCSU also blocking LSN broadcast but may be on NEC network.
PessimisticPard

Andy wrote:
roster stands at 84 after the freshman defections. Frank says 81 in camp. Speranza out with shoulder surgery, Butler (starter) out with illness. Awaiting the third.


They're not going to make it through the year. Patriot League and Lafayette has royally messed up the scholarship situation.

To field a competitive team you can NOT compete with 81 active players. Not enough to run practice, not enough for scouts. The 2 OL that left were Full Pay players, glorified D3 guys who can pay the outrageous college cost. They were just bodies, but needed bodies to save some wear.  

The few good ones you have will wear down and the key positions get worked tirelessly. FT & Crew haven't figured out how to make it through a season injury free. Anybody that has been to a Laf practice knows Stan grinds his guys to the ground, and with 12 they are in deep trouble.

If no win against CCSU watch out for them going win less and Frank collecting another check.
Andy

Going to 63 wouldn't help. Our competitors would fund them, while we can't even get to 60.
PessimisticPard

Andy wrote:
PessimisticPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
Down to 12 OL.  Elliott and Varischetti off the roster.


Clayton running them off??? Too intense and overworking the few he has....


Those two hadn't gotten here yet. Stan will have a strong OL this year.

Why is Fordham blocking LSN broadcast of the game? I'll be there anyway, but....

CCSU also blocking LSN broadcast but may be on NEC network.



Both WERE on campus for varying amounts of time, both are now off the roster....

As far as going to 63, that's not the problem. The fact that their is almost zero financial aid allowed is the problem. Our team is full scholarship players and a bunch of rich d3 kids. Not a winning combo.
Franks Tanks

PessimisticPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
roster stands at 84 after the freshman defections. Frank says 81 in camp. Speranza out with shoulder surgery, Butler (starter) out with illness. Awaiting the third.


They're not going to make it through the year. Patriot League and Lafayette has royally messed up the scholarship situation.

To field a competitive team you can NOT compete with 81 active players. Not enough to run practice, not enough for scouts. The 2 OL that left were Full Pay players, glorified D3 guys who can pay the outrageous college cost. They were just bodies, but needed bodies to save some wear.  

The few good ones you have will wear down and the key positions get worked tirelessly. FT & Crew haven't figured out how to make it through a season injury free. Anybody that has been to a Laf practice knows Stan grinds his guys to the ground, and with 12 they are in deep trouble.

If no win against CCSU watch out for them going win less and Frank collecting another check.


Colgate and Fordham have figured it out.  Lehigh and Holy Cross are making progress in the right direction.  I agree that the new reality of PL football is challenging from a roster management standpoint, but others can do it and we can too. Continuing to do the same thing over and over, with the same people in place, and expecting better results is insane.  We are looking at a 7th losing season in a row.  The very real possibility of 2-3 wins over 2 years, with no evidence the people in charge have a plan, or have demonstrated any progress toward improvement.
PessimisticPard

Franks Tanks wrote:
PessimisticPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
roster stands at 84 after the freshman defections. Frank says 81 in camp. Speranza out with shoulder surgery, Butler (starter) out with illness. Awaiting the third.


They're not going to make it through the year. Patriot League and Lafayette has royally messed up the scholarship situation.

To field a competitive team you can NOT compete with 81 active players. Not enough to run practice, not enough for scouts. The 2 OL that left were Full Pay players, glorified D3 guys who can pay the outrageous college cost. They were just bodies, but needed bodies to save some wear.  

The few good ones you have will wear down and the key positions get worked tirelessly. FT & Crew haven't figured out how to make it through a season injury free. Anybody that has been to a Laf practice knows Stan grinds his guys to the ground, and with 12 they are in deep trouble.

If no win against CCSU watch out for them going win less and Frank collecting another check.


Colgate and Fordham have figured it out.  Lehigh and Holy Cross are making progress in the right direction.  I agree that the new reality of PL football is challenging from a roster management standpoint, but others can do it and we can too. Continuing to do the same thing over and over, with the same people in place, and expecting better results is insane.  We are looking at a 7th losing season in a row.  The very real possibility of 2-3 wins over 2 years, with no evidence the people in charge have a plan, or have demonstrated any progress toward improvement.


100% Agree, Lafayette is a school that is okay with existing, not getting better or striving to be great. Same AD, same coaches, and no consequences to losing season after season. Have a standard and accountability, it's a JOKE.
BillS

PessimisticPard wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
PessimisticPard wrote:
Andy wrote:
roster stands at 84 after the freshman defections. Frank says 81 in camp. Speranza out with shoulder surgery, Butler (starter) out with illness. Awaiting the third.


They're not going to make it through the year. Patriot League and Lafayette has royally messed up the scholarship situation.

To field a competitive team you can NOT compete with 81 active players. Not enough to run practice, not enough for scouts. The 2 OL that left were Full Pay players, glorified D3 guys who can pay the outrageous college cost. They were just bodies, but needed bodies to save some wear.  

The few good ones you have will wear down and the key positions get worked tirelessly. FT & Crew haven't figured out how to make it through a season injury free. Anybody that has been to a Laf practice knows Stan grinds his guys to the ground, and with 12 they are in deep trouble.

If no win against CCSU watch out for them going win less and Frank collecting another check.


Colgate and Fordham have figured it out.  Lehigh and Holy Cross are making progress in the right direction.  I agree that the new reality of PL football is challenging from a roster management standpoint, but others can do it and we can too. Continuing to do the same thing over and over, with the same people in place, and expecting better results is insane.  We are looking at a 7th losing season in a row.  The very real possibility of 2-3 wins over 2 years, with no evidence the people in charge have a plan, or have demonstrated any progress toward improvement.


100% Agree, Lafayette is a school that is okay with existing, not getting better or striving to be great. Same AD, same coaches, and no consequences to losing season after season. Have a standard and accountability, it's a JOKE.
Looks like more excuses coming....Frank contract has not been extended?
Andy

Colgate's roster is at 89, ours 84. I don't think the 5 bag-holder difference is what caused disparate seasons last year.

Frank has begun to take this defensive, low expectation, woe-is-me posture in interviews. I hate it. Compare it to Gilmore's "we are determined to win a championship" or Hunt's enthusiasm.   Get some players in here. Is there any reason that Bucknell should have 7 pre-season all-leaguers to our zero?
zenator

This should be a good, solid team with a promising future . The sophomore and (especially) freshman class both look really strong.
NE Leopard

Let's be positive...it is a young team that will take its licks in the W-L column. 3 or 4 wins could be a real catalyst for the future. The team will be much more competitive than last year, that's for sure!
Franks Tanks

Paul writes on his blog that Kern is gone.  He was a freshman starter last season, and was expected to anchor the line for years to come.  No indication that he had academic or discipline issues he just quit.  What is going on with this program?  

Frangapane is also gone, but he was unlikely to see playing time.
Andy

Franks Tanks wrote:
Paul writes on his blog that Kern is gone.  He was a freshman starter last season, and was expected to anchor the line for years to come.  No indication that he had academic or discipline issues he just quit.  What is going on with this program?  

Frangapane is also gone, but he was unlikely to see playing time.


Kern gone!? Good grief.  Didnt realize it at the time but I guess he quit last May:

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/learning-lessons-on-the-field

Fragapane may have been our first commitment of the jr class. He committed  very early.  Another blown scholarship. Jezuz
gopards

Paul Reinhard's article in the Morining Call says that Tanner Kern is out of school this year and is on medical leave.
http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...luncheon-0802-20160802-story.html
Franks Tanks

gopards wrote:
Paul Reinhard's article in the Morining Call says that Tanner Kern is out of school this year and is on medical leave.
http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...luncheon-0802-20160802-story.html


Thanks.  Whatever Tanner is dealing with, I hope he recovers quickly.  Frank made it sound like 2 starters just quit, but it appears to be medical issues with Kern and Butler.  Hopefully we see both of them back on the field next year.
zenator

All is really not doom and gloom.

Kern is a major OL loss  ( hope he gets better and returns for next season). But, there is a lot of depth and flexibility among the freshman recruits, a number of whom are capable of playing multiple positions. For example, Nelson is 6'7", 280 and listed on the roster as a TE. He should be able to shift to OL without too much problem, if necessary.

From the film I watched, I am not seeing a bunch of D3 players btw. What I see is a bunch of really good athletes, many of whom project to play different positions in college and need a year or two of physical development and coaching. Making the transition from HS to college at the D1 level is not an easy transition and no doubt some will fail to fulfill their potential. That said, it is always better to have a group with a higher athletic ceiling than a lower one.
Franks Tanks

zenator wrote:
All is really not doom and gloom.

Kern is a major OL loss  ( hope he gets better and returns for next season). But, there is a lot of depth and flexibility among the freshman recruits, a number of whom are capable of playing multiple positions. For example, Nelson is 6'7", 280 and listed on the roster as a TE. He should be able to shift to OL without too much problem, if necessary.

From the film I watched, I am not seeing a bunch of D3 players btw. What I see is a bunch of really good athletes, many of whom project to play different positions in college and need a year or two of physical development and coaching. Making the transition from HS to college at the D1 level is not an easy transition and no doubt some will fail to fulfill their potential. That said, it is always better to have a group with a higher athletic ceiling than a lower one.


I appreciate your insight, and I agree that we have recruited a good number of athletes.  The largest issue I see is that we seem to struggle to retain and develop players.  I have to say that the current coaching staff has really struggled with developing an o-line and QB in particular.  The line as a whole has been below average every year since 2009 despite having some very good individual players (even several at a time at certain times).  Ross Scheurman covered up many of the issues for a few years there, and its a shame Ross never got to play behind a really solid line.  Other have stated that Stan wears his guys down.  I also think his line calls/schemes appear to be too complicated.  We have many false starts and missed assignments, which is of course indicative of guys getting confused far too often.

We have been a mess at QB, despite some very good talent.  Shoop had as many physical tools as any PL QB I've seen over the last 20 years.  His arm was absolutely incredible, he was above average athletically, but never seemed to develop.  ZZ started out strong, but also seemed to plateau before getting injured.  Drew Reed has appeared to regress since his Freshman year.  His confidence seems to have eroded, and parts of his game that required improvement (like ball security) have not improved.

The players work hard. They come here to win.  I just think they deserve better.
Andy

I was getting excited for the season, looking to bounce back, kids working hard in great numbers, then there's media day.

Four years on campus and we still don't know who the starting QB is? Seriously?  Where else in the PL do you see that situation?  IMO blame it on the QB recruiting which has been suspect since Rob C.

I appreciate NE and zen's positivity.  Those insiders tell us be happy with 3-4 wins. What? Last year it was injuries. What's this years excuse?

The head coach interview is a downer. No reason given for optimism, no excitement, no nothin'.

Insiders say it's a young team, good talent in underclassmen. So, what, above 500 in Mccrum's junior year? So, 6-7-8 seasons under 500?  I'm not getting any younger.    Sometimes I can agree with those who see a mess here. IDK I'm just down I guess.

Thankfully the years where Tavani went with no recruiting coordinator are behind us, Coach Phil seems a big improvement.
killaBee

Hold on ANDY..............
NewXbo

Frank like's to use the whoa is me strategy. We won't be very good. We will be underdogs in every game. We have a lot of injuries, etc.

I just hope the play calling is more aggressive than last year.  Also hoping we have 11 players on the field for special teams, which we didn't several times.
zenator

Andy--

I am not telling you: "don't worry, be happy."

I freely admit that we are coming off a dismal season, face a tough schedule and face long odds against a winning record. I also believe that the team will be competitive and much improved this year and in the future.

Based upon the past two recruiting classes, I feel that the Pards finally  understand the new scholarship situation ( using partial as well as full scholarships), the need to expand recruiting into the top HS states, like California and Florida, the need to focus on character etc. The proof is not only the film, but the number of freshman the past few classes showing up in June on day 1, paying their own way by working low-paying jobs, attending late afternoon workouts etc. About time that we got some more blue-collar types...

It does not bother me one bit that two freshman OL quit apparently because the summer workouts were too tough. Good bye and don't let the door kick them in the butt. They never would have made it through August camp, which is apparently going to be pure hell this time around.
1990honda

What am I missing here? I don't understand the doom and gloom after media day. The Quarterback situation will work itself out. The Georgia Bulldogs have 3 Quarterbacks vying for the starting job. Kirby Smart is making them compete. They have 2 upperclassmen and a freshman competing. The freshman is the fans favorite and will probably start. The main question for us should be stopping other QBs.
PessimisticPard

zenator wrote:
Andy--

I am not telling you: "don't worry, be happy."

I freely admit that we are coming off a dismal season, face a tough schedule and face long odds against a winning record. I also believe that the team will be competitive and much improved this year and in the future.

Based upon the past two recruiting classes, I feel that the Pards finally  understand the new scholarship situation ( using partial as well as full scholarships), the need to expand recruiting into the top HS states, like California and Florida, the need to focus on character etc. The proof is not only the film, but the number of freshman the past few classes showing up in June on day 1, paying their own way by working low-paying jobs, attending late afternoon workouts etc. About time that we got some more blue-collar types...

It does not bother me one bit that two freshman OL quit apparently because the summer workouts were too tough. Good bye and don't let the door kick them in the butt. They never would have made it through August camp, which is apparently going to be pure hell this time around.


It should bother you greatly rolling into the season with only 12 OL. Like I said before they are going to get worn down quickly. Off the top of my head it is very difficult to even come up with a legitimate starting 5!

Staudle (solid if not hurt)
N. Zataveski (gets beat like a drum by average pass rushers)
C. Smith (solid on the right side)
K. Zataveski (nothing bad to say about him)
Kern (also nothing bad to say about him)

After that who do you got?

Helm-(never seen the field)
Raysor-(never seen the field)
Greiser-(never seen the field)
Donnelly-(undersized and struggled last year)

The rest are frosh.

With No OL depth you are going to struggle. Can't run the ball and can't protect are the same things we went through last year. Doesn't matter who you have playing QB or RB if you can't block for either.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But it's going to be a long year for the leopards, and will be until FT stops collecting checks with ole Brucey Boy.
killaBee

Hey Pess,

That's not right, to evaluate the kids on here, with your opinion.

What accreditation or authority do you have to say who is good or bad.

Regardless of your opinion, it is not right.  It is oblivious that you don't really care, and I'm not quite so sure you really want them to win.  You make one tend to believe you are a chicken hawk hiding in a closet, trying to start trouble.
I'll be at every game, you can not miss me!! Come listen to me cheer on the Leopards as they Win...
Warrior56

Any time you want to bash one of my two sons, you better know the facts, bet you never strapped them up at all and could not block your way out of a wet paper bag in the rain.

Know the facts, played most of the season at left tackle with a broken right hand after playing his natural right tackle position the prior year and received preseason all patriot league honors.. Listen, I am at every game, any time you want to discuss my son's play, I would be happy to do it in person, stop over and say hello!!
Warrior56

Warrior56 wrote:
Any time you want to bash one of my two sons, you better know the facts, bet you never strapped them up at all and could not block your way out of a wet paper bag in the rain.

Know the facts, played most of the season at left tackle with a broken right hand after playing his natural right tackle position the prior year and received preseason all patriot league honors.. Listen, I am at every game, any time you want to discuss my son's play, I would be happy to do it in person, stop over and say hello!!


Also wondering if you would have the balls to play two days in a game after you broke your right hand with no cast.
bethlehempard

Well-said, Warrior.
Even with scholarships we are still a small school where athletes have to make the grade. That's the core of the Lafayette way.
PessimisticPard

Warrior56 wrote:
Any time you want to bash one of my two sons, you better know the facts, bet you never strapped them up at all and could not block your way out of a wet paper bag in the rain.

Know the facts, played most of the season at left tackle with a broken right hand after playing his natural right tackle position the prior year and received preseason all patriot league honors.. Listen, I am at every game, any time you want to discuss my son's play, I would be happy to do it in person, stop over and say hello!!


My apologies!

Just stating opinions! Didn't mean for them to be harsh or brash.

I am a frustrated alum that thinks the program could be so much more than it is.

I will keep my opinions about players to myself.
Warrior56

PessimisticPard wrote:
Warrior56 wrote:
Any time you want to bash one of my two sons, you better know the facts, bet you never strapped them up at all and could not block your way out of a wet paper bag in the rain.

Know the facts, played most of the season at left tackle with a broken right hand after playing his natural right tackle position the prior year and received preseason all patriot league honors.. Listen, I am at every game, any time you want to discuss my son's play, I would be happy to do it in person, stop over and say hello!!


My apologies!

Just stating opinions! Didn't mean for them to be harsh or brash.

I am a frustrated alum that thinks the program could be so much more than it is.

I will keep my opinions about players to myself.


Like I said, any time you want to talk about my sons, I would be happy to do it in person. Really don't care what you think or about your apologies. Being a prior player does not give you the right to attack any current players.

So you know who I am and who my sons are, why don't you let me know who you are? It is easy to be critical when no one knows who you are. By the way, I did play, and I did pretty good in college and know what I am seeing and talking about when I watch O-Line play during a game.
Warrior56

bethlehempard wrote:
Well-said, Warrior.
Even with scholarships we are still a small school where athletes have to make the grade. That's the core of the Lafayette way.


Thanks Bethlehempard! We are all frustrated and no one liked going through a 1-10 season, just not right to attach any player regardless of their play. I have been reading this board since Nick came to Lafayette, have been very quiet and do not post that much, but when someone is taking shots at any player that is where I can no longer just sit and read anymore.
bethlehempard

A video preview that appears to be a commercial for the Connecticut School of Broadcasting. The presenter is competent except for identifying the HC as Frank Taveni. Enough said.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P13oWnqOY2o
1990honda

Warrior

Thanks for the fire and I understand how you are feeling. Congratulations on developing two high level student-athletes. I understand that the family bond is paramount. I am sure none of the players or any other parent appreciate the calling out of players. I look forward to meeting you and celebrating with you. I don't understand how someone expects to get a positive output with a negative input.
Warrior56

1990honda wrote:
Warrior

Thanks for the fire and I understand how you are feeling. Congratulations on developing two high level student-athletes. I understand that the family bond is paramount. I am sure none of the players or any other parent appreciate the calling out of players. I look forward to meeting you and celebrating with you. I don't understand how someone expects to get a positive output with a negative input.


Same here Honda! Always tailgating before the games so make sure you stop over and say hello. I have a white Ford F150 so you can't miss me.
Lots of food and beer!

I do understand all of the frustration but the only way we are going to turn this around is to get behind all of the players! Great to see that we had about 80 players in for summer workouts during the 2nd session! I know that my 2 are all in and have worked very hard to make sure that they are ready for the season and I know that your son was there too which is great! Players need to come together as a team and believe in each other!
RichH

bethlehempard wrote:
A video preview that appears to be a commercial for the Connecticut School of Broadcasting. The presenter is competent except for identifying the HC as Frank Taveni. Enough said.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?

v=P13oWnqOY2o

Gameplan preview. Emory Hunt"s company.  He does a fairly decent job covering PL. He usually calls at least a couple of our telecasts each year. Connecticut does his vifeo. Cheaper I guess.
killaBee

Hello again Honda,

Great job on your son being in the summer workouts. I'm so glad more parents are expressing interest on here. I know all the parents want the team to do well and are preparing their kid for the upcoming year, However, they may be nervous from all the negativity on here, but I'm with you.. We need more positivity.  Great job for coming forth and expressing your positive attitude. We will shock many teams this year..  I believe..

Go leopards,,,,,,,,,,
sportfourteen

I believe...
1990honda

I appreciate you guys for making us feel welcome. I just believe you can't accomplish anything you don't believe you can. I also appreciate my son getting the opportunity to play for Coach Tavani, as well as, his staff. We committed early because of the coaches. This board made me think I might have made a mistake. What did I get my son into? Do they know something that the coaches didn't tell me?  When you google lafayette football, the fan forum comes up also. Are we sure some players didn't change their minds after reading this forum?

I don't know what happened before now and I don't care. We all knew the team was 1-10 before we signed. But, we believe we can turn it around. Do you know how hard it is to get 25 student athletes to sign when you go 1-10? It's about the family feeling. Family don't quit on family, family keeps family business in family, family defends family.

We are all family now!
killaBee

Camp starts tomorrow .....08/05/2016..... Anyone know what time it begins?
Andy

The parents presence on the board has picked up and that's awesome.  Please realize that there has been and will continue to be ctiticism of the administration (negativity) on the board. A few short years ago a president of this college wanted to turn his back on 150 years of tradition and abolish Div. 1 football here. Influential alums kept it from happening, thankfully.  Now, thebprogram is back and the college is committed to the PL but still does some halfassed things like spending $5mil but still not competing with the full number of scholarships allowed.  We alums have to find a way on the board to separate the admin criticism from the sport threads, I guess.  Still, considering 6 losing seasons in a row, the negativity could be worse. I've been around these boards for a while now, if Lehigh had 6 losing seasons in a row their board would be in an uproar, believe me. And quite frankly Coen would be long gone.

My optimism for this year stems mostly from an appreciation of the OL talent. Now, losing Tanner is a big blow, but thankfully Nick has returned for a 5th year.  Here's  a kid who did not join the horde of injured on the sideline last year and instead played with a broken hand to help his teammates. This is appreciated by a fan, I assure you. We need more like him. If we are to succeed this year, Nick will be a big part of it. We haven't seen Greiser yet, but he is so impressive physically.  Looking for big things from him.

I happen to love D. Brown at RB, have since his Hudl. He hasnt disappointed and is just a junior. CJs ability and potential blows me away. I cant wait to watch these guys behind a strong OL.

Get the running game going and then go over the top with Mrazek, Wadsworth, Vangelas.  It's a simple game really. Smile

30 DAYS!!!
Andy

killaBee wrote:
Camp starts tomorrow .....08/05/2016..... Anyone know what time it begins?


Isnt the first day devoted to physical testing? Different this year with frosh and upperclassmen reporting same day.
RichH

[quote="Andy:54762"]
killaBee wrote:
Camp starts tomorrow .....08/05/2016..... Anyone know what time it begins?


Isnt the first day devoted to phys7ical testing? Different this year with frosh and upperclassmen reporting same day.[/quote
]
First day or two at mist preseason camps are for testing ,frosh bio pics with a few unit walk throughs more to acquaint frosh with the start of basics. Pards have had a much more active summer conditioning progran.. Likely staff will be able to early camp conditioing drills to concentrate on unit drills. Always a plus.
S & C testing for LU conducted periodically all summer. As position skills is allowed over the summer. Various units were in for mentored sessions during the summer. Imagine Pard staff had similar sessions. Thank God football is back Smile
zenator

[quote="1990honda:54759"]

I don't know what happened before now and I don't care. We all knew the team was 1-10 before we signed. But, we believe we can turn it around. Do you know how hard it is to get 25 student athletes to sign when you go 1-10? It's about the family feeling. Family don't quit on family, family keeps family business in family, family defends family...


Honda:

Crazy as this may seem, there are always a minority of talented recruits, who want to play early and are drawn to turn-arounds because they will not have to sit on the bench for 2-3 years. To recruit that type of kid takes a ton of hard work because the program needs to sell them on immediate opportunity, a promising future and overcome a lot of natural skepticism plus  the overnight has to go really well. I suspect that Breedlove may be an example and possibly others.
killaBee

Andy,

Thank you so much.  It was kind of you to share some history of the team, which many of us parents did not know.  My family is grateful that alumni like yourself took a stance and kept the program.  I do understand business, however it does not mixed in the Lafayette experience for me and my family. I figured it was something going on, because I could not understand why writers on here criticized everything about the program, from the President to the freshman class, and every alumni I met was so kind and friendly.  My son enjoys meeting alumni and hearing stories of the past, which inspire him for the future.

As parents, we see 4 plus years, it is all new to us unless, a son of a Lafayette alum gets recruited to the team.  The players were recruited, and none have no say in any of the daily operations of the football program or athletic departmental business.  Their main responsibility is their academics and commitment to win, work hard, learn and mature as men on and off the field.  

I read college football articles around the country and some of the story lines are horrific, and as parents it is our responsibility to give our children guidance to not be a part of incidents like those during their collegiate experience.

Andy,  We are much better than most outsiders believe.  We will shock many teams.  Like you said, the pieces are on the team.  The commitment from the kids is exemplified by the attendance in the summer.  
We ALL have a common enemy and that is CCSU September. 2nd 2016..

Erase the doubt!! remove the butterflies!!!  We will win!!


GOOOOO PARDSSSSS!!!!!!!!



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Andy

Outsiders reading this stuff have to realize that 1-10 was an aberration and that the program is not far removed from success. I posted this a while back on AGS:

Combined PL record '13 - '14

Fordham - 11-1
Tavani - 8-4
Susan - 7-5
Hunt - 6-6
Coen - 6-6
Gilmore - 3-9

I'd like to see us come out on the 2nd in full attack mode, hitting on all cylinders.  No presnaps, etc.  Establish the run sure, but be aggressive.  Never cared much for the month of August. Let's get this thing going.
1990honda

I said earlier that I didn't care about what happened before. That didn't come out the way I meant.  I care about people and their feelings. I don't care about the past as far as shaping my feelings now. I think at some point you have to let it go. We have a new season to look forward to. I don't believe criticizing the admin and criticizing the coaching or players is the same.
Warrior56

Andy wrote:
The parents presence on the board has picked up and that's awesome.  Please realize that there has been and will continue to be ctiticism of the administration (negativity) on the board. A few short years ago a president of this college wanted to turn his back on 150 years of tradition and abolish Div. 1 football here. Influential alums kept it from happening, thankfully.  Now, thebprogram is back and the college is committed to the PL but still does some halfassed things like spending $5mil but still not competing with the full number of scholarships allowed.  We alums have to find a way on the board to separate the admin criticism from the sport threads, I guess.  Still, considering 6 losing seasons in a row, the negativity could be worse. I've been around these boards for a while now, if Lehigh had 6 losing seasons in a row their board would be in an uproar, believe me. And quite frankly Coen would be long gone.

My optimism for this year stems mostly from an appreciation of the OL talent. Now, losing Tanner is a big blow, but thankfully Nick has returned for a 5th year.  Here's  a kid who did not join the horde of injured on the sideline last year and instead played with a broken hand to help his teammates. This is appreciated by a fan, I assure you. We need more like him. If we are to succeed this year, Nick will be a big part of it. We haven't seen Greiser yet, but he is so impressive physically.  Looking for big things from him.

I happen to love D. Brown at RB, have since his Hudl. He hasnt disappointed and is just a junior. CJs ability and potential blows me away. I cant wait to watch these guys behind a strong OL.

Get the running game going and then go over the top with Mrazek, Wadsworth, Vangelas.  It's a simple game really. Smile

30 DAYS!!!


Thanks Andy! Yes, looking forward to the season and do understand the frustration.
bethlehempard

Brad Wilson:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...nst.html#incart_river_mobile_home
bethlehempard

A list of them all for this year. The methods and values are in the eye of the beholder. Based on this survey, none of our opponents rank below us.

http://www.compughterratings.com/FCS/rankings

CCSU and their fiery coach trying to make that third-year leap are just ahead of us. Beat CCSU and make Princeton a surprise win and we're looking at a real season.
RichH

These computer rankings no matter who does them in August are virtually useles. This and Massey and Sagarin can only predict results among last year's teams.. Not particularly predictive of games among this year's teams. Their sole input is statistics.
Bosh and poppycock. I'll even say it is pure malarkey Smile
Check back with them 3 or 4 games into the season. Perhaps at least somewhat predictive.
1990honda

bethlehempard wrote:
A list of them all for this year. The methods and values are in the eye of the beholder. Based on this survey, none of our opponents rank below us.

http://www.compughterratings.com/FCS/rankings

CCSU and their fiery coach trying to make that third-year leap are just ahead of us. Beat CCSU and make Princeton a surprise win and we're looking at a real season.


What an opportunity for these young men to compete. Every game you get to play someone who is ranked above you. Motivating the team should not be hard at all. Humiliation comes before honor. We have been humiliated. They have rubbed our faces in it. But we have the chance to be ranked in the top 20 after four games. Villanova (who is ranked 19)only shows 10 offensive lineman on their roster and 3 freshmen signees. Us against the world - we can shock the world.
Lafalum

1990honda wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
A list of them all for this year. The methods and values are in the eye of the beholder. Based on this survey, none of our opponents rank below us.

http://www.compughterratings.com/FCS/rankings

CCSU and their fiery coach trying to make that third-year leap are just ahead of us. Beat CCSU and make Princeton a surprise win and we're looking at a real season.


Villanova (who is ranked 19)only shows 10 offensive lineman on their roster and 3 freshmen signees. Us against the world - we can shock the world.


At some point the excuses become tiresome. I have heard, we are too small to compete, our student are more interested in academics, we don't have enough money, blah, blah, blah.  
Get out, work hard, compete....I believe our ATHLETES  are good enough in most any sport. How about everyone else!!
1990honda

I agree with you Lafalum
SIDELINER

A newer Reinhard blog includes some summer camp information. Saturday's first practice is at 4:15.
Andy

That's what I'm talkin' about, Paul!  Great info. Two scrimmages announced in advance - that's progress.  

Will check for website posting of media guide. Right now I couldnt name the starting secondary past Powe and Phil.
Franks Tanks

bethlehempard wrote:
Brad Wilson:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...nst.html#incart_river_mobile_home


The Frank excuse generator is fired up already!  Probably a new record as he usually waits until the 2nd or 3rd game!

So we have no depth on the O-line.  Who would be at fault for that?  Perhaps the staff that only managed to find one O-lineman capable of starting during our 1st scholarship recruiting class.  Frank is lucky to have the brothers Z or he would be completely screwed.

It was mentioned elsewhere that Nova has the same number of OL on the roster. Colgate has built a tremendous line playing by the same rules that we have.  What's the problem Frank?  Fix it, or deal with the situation you created.  No more excuses.
SixtyEighter

The depth chart will be on display on 8/20 during the Friends' tour unless someone on staff pulls a General Buck Torgeson.

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