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Andy

2018 Football Recruiting

Early signing period is a reality. Wow!:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-f...aa-early-signing-period-date-2017
RichH

I wonder how NSD mania in Feb will be now. New SD period only 72 hrs. Should be fun. Do PL schools have 2 media days for announcements?
Most of PL's verbals were in well before the end of Dec.
Marooner

A coach (not at Lafayette, but similar level) once told me that he hates early recruiting because "every player thinks Nick Saban is about to call." A December signing period could alleviate some of that and, by the time we get to the traditional February signing day, high school players will have a more realistic picture of what their options are.

On the other hand, depending on how many bigger schools embrace the December signing period, the PL and similar conferences might see a decrease in the number of "stretch" recruits they get... that is, guys who could probably contribute at a slightly higher level but land in our league.
SixtyEighter

What prevents de-committing and poaching in the interim period ?
RichH

Well the NLI signed in Dec same as that signed in Feb. Neither actually legally enfofceable but as a practical matter it does work to severely limit other choices that the kid might have if he doesnt get a release from that school.
Marooner

SixtyEighter wrote:
What prevents de-committing and poaching in the interim period ?

This might be an oversimplified (or incomplete) definition, but in the context of your question, basically the NLI is like being drafted by that team. You can refuse to play after you sign, but you also can't play anywhere else without that team's permission for a certain period of time (typically one season unless it's a special circumstance like another team in the same conference).

Won't be offended if those with more insight want to add/correct... that's just the explanation that has always worked for me.
RichH

Not quite that cut and dried but similar to the situation for a decommit. May be true as to other conference teams. Usually the school will release the kid figuring why waste a spot on a recruit who wants to go elsewhere.
Andy

Yeah, S/A would have to seek a release or take a one year hold and eligibility loss. An admissions denial frees you up, might be more of an issue now with everything moved up.

Coaches on the road. Saw an offer by Coach Luke. Only 43 behind Holy Cross! Shocked  Doesn't worry me with JG in charge, there is a plan.  We are even in the win column though.

Offer:

Will Anderson C 6-2 280 Delbarton  others inc. FBS

Source: 247 sports
PardDad71

As usual the National Communists Against Athletes continues to kow-tow to the power programs and run rampant over the student athletes it pretends to protect.

I am against the ES period, really for 3 reasons.  First, I believe it will lead to power programs making even more verbal offers, but then failing to provide an early NLI to kids it knows it doesn't want.   They will do this to prevent the athletes from small programs or who may not have been noticed by Rivals etc from slipping through the cracks and signing with a smaller school.  So the offer a kid they want to walk on.   Tell the kid he will get an NLI for the Feb date.   Then tell him they want him to walk on....the imfamous "Preferred Walk On".   Second, it will lead to schools gaming the system, NLI a kid who has academic issues and know you can cut him lose "for not gaining admissions" later.   Third schools will delay firing coaches until after the early NLI period, hoping to snag a couple commits.

The one benefit is allowing Officials in Apr-Jun of Junior year.   Of course I think it is stupid the kids are limited to 5 officials.  This made sense 30 years ago when a non athlete would apply to 3-5 schools.  Now non athletes apply to a dozen schools.   Why not give the kids at least 7, especially since the period is longer now.

As usual, they will never address the absurdity of making any verbal offers prior to a kids Junior year.

But I am sure the NCAA will continue to make sure its athletes are its primary concern
Andy

Unofficial and incomplete, posted as we find published confirmation:

2018 Verbal Commitments:    

1) Chandler Harvin  WR   6-1 180 Bartram Trail Jacksonville, FL 9/12/16
                                                  Wyoming Seminary for 2017



2018 Published Offers:

1) Will Anderson C 6-2 280 Delbarton  others inc. FBS

http://www.hudl.com/profile/4067104/will-andersen

Source: 247 sports (Note: on 5/9 Anderson was removed from LC "offer"  list. His profile still reflects an LC offer)    

2) Grayson Crozier LB 6-0 195 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

  http://www.hudl.com/profile/4417190/grayson-crozier

  Source: twitter 5/9

3) Cole Caterbone WR 6-0 175 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

   http://www.hudl.com/profile/5280278/cole-caterbone

   Source: twitter 5/9

4) Ryan Rhoden DB 6-2 170 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

    http://www.hudl.com/profile/5025767/ryan-rhoden

    Source: twitter 5/9

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Pardsfriend

Recruiting

PardDad71 wrote:
As usual the National Communists Against Athletes continues to kow-tow to the power programs and run rampant over the student athletes it pretends to protect.

I am against the ES period, really for 3 reasons.  First, I believe it will lead to power programs making even more verbal offers, but then failing to provide an early NLI to kids it knows it doesn't want.   They will do this to prevent the athletes from small programs or who may not have been noticed by Rivals etc from slipping through the cracks and signing with a smaller school.  So the offer a kid they want to walk on.   Tell the kid he will get an NLI for the Feb date.   Then tell him they want him to walk on....the imfamous "Preferred Walk On".   Second, it will lead to schools gaming the system, NLI a kid who has academic issues and know you can cut him lose "for not gaining admissions" later.   Third schools will delay firing coaches until after the early NLI period, hoping to snag a couple commits.

The one benefit is allowing Officials in Apr-Jun of Junior year.   Of course I think it is stupid the kids are limited to 5 officials.  This made sense 30 years ago when a non athlete would apply to 3-5 schools.  Now non athletes apply to a dozen schools.   Why not give the kids at least 7, especially since the period is longer now.

As usual, they will never address the absurdity of making any verbal offers prior to a kids Junior year.

But I am sure the NCAA will continue to make sure its athletes are its primary concern


 There is a very important reason why the NCAA limits official visits.
And that is because under NCAA rules, the cost of bearing an official visit is at the expense of the host institution.  Depending on the size of the program, especially in football, (in other sports as well),the expenses can be significant to the school and program.   That's the reason for limiting 'official' visits. That doesn't stop any recruit from taking an unofficial visit where he, or she bears the cost.  And by the way, schools and coaches notice these visit (s).

Imho, you find out a lot about a school when you visit on your own terms.

My kid took an unofficial visit to Lafayette in the summer as a rising senior, was offered in November and signed his NLI in February of his senior year.
PardDad71

Re: Recruiting

Pardsfriend wrote:
PardDad71 wrote:
As usual the National Communists Against Athletes continues to kow-tow to the power programs and run rampant over the student athletes it pretends to protect.

I am against the ES period, really for 3 reasons.  First, I believe it will lead to power programs making even more verbal offers, but then failing to provide an early NLI to kids it knows it doesn't want.   They will do this to prevent the athletes from small programs or who may not have been noticed by Rivals etc from slipping through the cracks and signing with a smaller school.  So the offer a kid they want to walk on.   Tell the kid he will get an NLI for the Feb date.   Then tell him they want him to walk on....the imfamous "Preferred Walk On".   Second, it will lead to schools gaming the system, NLI a kid who has academic issues and know you can cut him lose "for not gaining admissions" later.   Third schools will delay firing coaches until after the early NLI period, hoping to snag a couple commits.

The one benefit is allowing Officials in Apr-Jun of Junior year.   Of course I think it is stupid the kids are limited to 5 officials.  This made sense 30 years ago when a non athlete would apply to 3-5 schools.  Now non athletes apply to a dozen schools.   Why not give the kids at least 7, especially since the period is longer now.

As usual, they will never address the absurdity of making any verbal offers prior to a kids Junior year.

But I am sure the NCAA will continue to make sure its athletes are its primary concern


 There is a very important reason why the NCAA limits official visits.
And that is because under NCAA rules, the cost of bearing an official visit is at the expense of the host institution.  Depending on the size of the program, especially in football, (in other sports as well),the expenses can be significant to the school and program.   That's the reason for limiting 'official' visits. That doesn't stop any recruit from taking an unofficial visit where he, or she bears the cost.  And by the way, schools and coaches notice these visit (s).

Imho, you find out a lot about a school when you visit on your own terms.

My kid took an unofficial visit to Lafayette in the summer as a rising senior, was offered in November and signed his NLI in February of his senior year.



Not sure I understand the cost argument.   You are still only allowed one per school.   so no one institution would be burdened by more cost.  And I would argue, the NCAA has more than enough money to subsidize programs for paying for these official visits.  Additionally it unfairly limits lower income kids from visiting schools further away
Pardsfriend

Re: Recruiting

PardDad71 wrote:
Pardsfriend wrote:
PardDad71 wrote:
As usual the National Communists Against Athletes continues to kow-tow to the power programs and run rampant over the student athletes it pretends to protect.

I am against the ES period, really for 3 reasons.  First, I believe it will lead to power programs making even more verbal offers, but then failing to provide an early NLI to kids it knows it doesn't want.   They will do this to prevent the athletes from small programs or who may not have been noticed by Rivals etc from slipping through the cracks and signing with a smaller school.  So the offer a kid they want to walk on.   Tell the kid he will get an NLI for the Feb date.   Then tell him they want him to walk on....the imfamous "Preferred Walk On".   Second, it will lead to schools gaming the system, NLI a kid who has academic issues and know you can cut him lose "for not gaining admissions" later.   Third schools will delay firing coaches until after the early NLI period, hoping to snag a couple commits.

The one benefit is allowing Officials in Apr-Jun of Junior year.   Of course I think it is stupid the kids are limited to 5 officials.  This made sense 30 years ago when a non athlete would apply to 3-5 schools.  Now non athletes apply to a dozen schools.   Why not give the kids at least 7, especially since the period is longer now.

As usual, they will never address the absurdity of making any verbal offers prior to a kids Junior year.

But I am sure the NCAA will continue to make sure its athletes are its primary concern


 There is a very important reason why the NCAA limits official visits.
And that is because under NCAA rules, the cost of bearing an official visit is at the expense of the host institution.  Depending on the size of the program, especially in football, (in other sports as well),the expenses can be significant to the school and program.   That's the reason for limiting 'official' visits. That doesn't stop any recruit from taking an unofficial visit where he, or she bears the cost.  And by the way, schools and coaches notice these visit (s).

Imho, you find out a lot about a school when you visit on your own terms.

My kid took an unofficial visit to Lafayette in the summer as a rising senior, was offered in November and signed his NLI in February of his senior year.



Not sure I understand the cost argument.   You are still only allowed one per school.   so no one institution would be burdened by more cost.  And I would argue, the NCAA has more than enough money to subsidize programs for paying for these official visits.  Additionally it unfairly limits lower income kids from visiting schools further away


  I didn't say it was fair, but cost is a factor in the overall recruiting budget on visits.

 But with unofficial visits, a kid can visit one school multiple times.

Imho,bathe system makes programs focus upon kids whom they are serious about recruiting, since the school (program) is paying for the official visits.
Andy

Unofficial and incomplete, posted as we find published confirmation:

2018 Verbal Commitments:    

1) Chandler Harvin  WR   6-1 180 Bartram Trail Jacksonville, FL 9/12/16
                                                  Wyoming Seminary for 2017



2018 Published Offers:

1) Will Anderson C 6-2 280 Delbarton  others inc. FBS

Source: 247 sports (Note: on 5/9 Anderson was removed from LC "offer"  list. His profile still reflects an LC offer)    

    http://www.hudl.com/profile/4067104/will-andersen

2) Grayson Crozier LB 6-0 195 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

  http://www.hudl.com/profile/4417190/grayson-crozier

  Source: twitter 5/9

3) Cole Caterbone WR 6-0 175 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

   http://www.hudl.com/profile/5280278/cole-caterbone

   Source: twitter 5/9

4) Ryan Rhoden DB 6-2 170 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

    http://www.hudl.com/profile/5025767/ryan-rhoden

    Source: twitter 5/9

5) Neil Azar OL 6-4 285 Granby HS VA

   Source: twitter 5/30 (also FAU)
   
   http://www.hudl.com/video/3/5390373/5830a844c124de2ef4a1fc9a

   http://www.ultimaterecruit.com/757football/ivy-league-nike-opening-neal-azar/

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I had inserted a beautiful pic of campus here from LC website in my original post. Apparently this didn't sit well with someone for some reason. The pic has been made private. Wouldn't want an alum using it to show off the campus to prospective footballers. Let's see what they do with this one, apparently snapped when field was being stripped for new turf:



http://www.tailgatershandbook.com/Images/L%20Images/Lafayette/laf1.jpg
Andy

Our first 1-day camp this Saturday, LF&G on Sunday. Maybe a few offers next week. The staff is taking a contrarian approach.

Offers:

HC -         94 (breezy, thanks)
Colgate -   44  (63, thanks)
Lehigh -     23  (thanks, Rich)
SixtyEighter

Azar ? Anyway to find out if offeree related to George Azar who was a football and wrestling  standout at Michigan State and coached at Lafayette on Harry Gamble's staff and served later with Gamble in an administrative capacity with the Eagles during the Braman ownership era ?
Bogus Megapardus

Andy wrote:

Our first 1-day camp this Saturday, LF&G on Sunday.


God Bless and never-ending prayers for Lauren Loose. She's about 20 years old now, I believe.
Andy

Unofficial and incomplete, posted as we find published confirmation:

2018 Verbal Commitments:    

1) Chandler Harvin  WR   6-1 180 Bartram Trail Jacksonville, FL 9/12/16
                                                  Wyoming Seminary for 2017



2018 Published Offers:

1) Will Anderson C 6-2 280 Delbarton  others inc. FBS

Source: 247 sports (Note: on 5/9 Anderson was removed from LC "offer"  list. His profile still reflects an LC offer)    

    http://www.hudl.com/profile/4067104/will-andersen

2) Grayson Crozier LB 6-0 195 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

  http://www.hudl.com/profile/4417190/grayson-crozier

  Source: twitter 5/9

3) Cole Caterbone WR 6-0 175 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

   http://www.hudl.com/profile/5280278/cole-caterbone

   Source: twitter 5/9

4) Ryan Rhoden DB 6-2 170 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

    http://www.hudl.com/profile/5025767/ryan-rhoden

    Source: twitter 5/9

5) Neil Azar OL 6-4 285 Granby HS VA

   Source: twitter 5/30 (also FAU)
   
   http://www.hudl.com/video/3/5390373/5830a844c124de2ef4a1fc9a

   http://www.ultimaterecruit.com/757football/ivy-league-nike-opening-neal-azar/

6) Trevor Storm DE/OT 6-7 225 EASTON, PA

      Source: twitter 6/5  (7th D-1 offer claimed: Army, Brown, Bryant, Jackson State, Lafayette College, Monmouth and Robert Morris)

       http://www.hudl.com/profile/2815495/trevor-storm



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Andy

Offer: Dan Fedor OL 6-7 275 Elmira

Source: self tweet


http://www.hudl.com/profile/3097829/dan-fedor/about
Andy

Looks like Coach Nudel will be tweeting all the offers.  I guess I'll maintain a list here. It's all twitter all the time anyway, it's not like there was much satisfaction in a "find" left in the endeavor.
RichH

So true. Much easier for sure but not nearly as much fun. Very little thrill of the chase Smile
Pardsfriend

Lehigh Recruits

RichH wrote:
So true. Much easier for sure but not nearly as much fun. Very little thrill of the chase Smile


 Rich, you guys are recruiting an outstanding lb from Bridgewater-Raritan HS in NJ.   I've observed Justin Bryant, a Mike lb play on many occasions, including twice in the State Group 5 final at Met Life stadium.  Very good motor, sure tackler, and plays very well in space, defending the pass.   The kid is constantly around the football.  Is also an outstanding student in the classroom....

 He was at LU recently on a visit.  And the kicker about this is Lafayette is well aware of Bryant, and it will hurt if he's playing against us next year.  He is one of the top ten lbs in New Jersey right now.

If you guys get him, your lucky, because he can play on the field right now.
RichH

Bryant is a very talented OLB . Ideal type for the 4-2. Very athletic and fast enuf. Ive watched a lot of film on him dont know PF whether we can get him. He is getting a lot of interest now. He has been on campus for his official and a couple if unofficials and for camp. Fingers crossed Smile.
With camp season in full swing expect well see you a lot more activity. Good way to get a feel for who staffs are interested in and where prospects are looking. Most kids try to do at least 3 or 4.camps.
Andy

RichH wrote:
So true. Much easier for sure but not nearly as much fun. Very little thrill of the chase Smile


Right on, brother. We had our lists of sites to be checked several times a day. Labor intensive, but a find was gratifying. Strangely appealing. I think I'll log on to The Beaver County Times just for old times sake.  Wink  

Signing Day(s) - 12/20, 2/7
RichH

Smile Smile lmao.
Good idea. I still have my list of HS reporters still check in once in a while. Oh well. Off to twitter UGH Smile
Pardsfriend

Recruits

RichH wrote:
Bryant is a very talented OLB . Ideal type for the 4-2. Very athletic and fast enuf. Ive watched a lot of film on him dont know PF whether we can get him. He is getting a lot of interest now. He has been on campus for his official and a couple if unofficials and for camp. Fingers crossed Smile.
With camp season in full swing expect well see you a lot more activity. Good way to get a feel for who staffs are interested in and where prospects are looking. Most kids try to do at least 3 or 4.camps.


He plays inside At BRHS but has size.  You guys have a lot of schools competing for him, including Princeton.  And quite frankly, he could go FBS as well.  Just attended Villanova camp
Andy

We are approaching our 10th found offer. HC is over 100.

Lehigh's 3rd commit is a lineman from Parsippany(John Burk). Not sure who's recruiting north Jersey for us now after Luke's departure.

It appears our staff is taking the "must see them live" approach to offers. A pair of one day camps coming up this Fri and Sat.

Good to see Coach Phil landing at Lock Haven. Always made time to speak with me and my fam. Good guy.
RichH

Coen does much the same. Vast majority of offers and all commits are camp guys or have been on campus. For some reason I dont think Gilmore has a similar scheme Smile.
PardDad71

Andy wrote:
We are approaching our 10th found offer. HC is over 100.

Lehigh's 3rd commit is a lineman from Parsippany(John Burk). Not sure who's recruiting north Jersey for us now after Luke's departure.

It appears our staff is taking the "must see them live" approach to offers. A pair of one day camps coming up this Fri and Sat.

Good to see Coach Phil landing at Lock Haven. Always made time to speak with me and my fam. Good guy.



Wait - Burk is our commit in the 17 class.   Justin Gurth Parsippany Hills to Lehigh I believe.   Is that the same school as Burk?  Seems like some talent coming out of that school if so
RichH

Same town different HSs. Smile
Andy

RichH wrote:
Same town different HSs. Smile


Thanks, rich. Yeah, Parsippany vs Parsippany Hills.

Doesn't change my point 100 offers by HC, vs our 9. Three commitments for Lehigh. Just pointing out the different paths the various staffs are taking.

Hoping for a good turnout today and tomorrow.
PardDad71

I don't tend to get overly worried about the number of offers.   I would like to get a commit or two, but it is early.  

Maybe Rich can confirm, I didn't think LU had any commits before November last year, but that might be fake news.  Shocked
RichH

LU had 2 verbals that I recall . One flipped later. There may have been another but I will have to look it up when I get home.
SIDELINER

We're talking about all these recruits for 23018, and just today, I think I saw on Twitter that Lehigh has added four players to this year's freshman group. Latecomers, for sure.
PardDad71

wow, if that's true I would suspect that is a major difference between us and them.   somehow I don't think admissions would be quite as friendly admitting someone at this point in the process, but maybe I am just overly critical
RichH

Not really SIDELINER . They are all recruited WOs. Could not be added to roster until admitted to LU. They actually were included in our verbals and later in May added to roster. Why announcement now? Dont know.
Andy

Unofficial and incomplete, posted as we find published confirmation:

2018 Verbal Commitments:    

1) Chandler Harvin  WR   6-1 180 Bartram Trail Jacksonville, FL 9/12/16
                                                  Wyoming Seminary for 2017



2018 Published Offers:

1) Will Anderson C 6-2 280 Delbarton  others inc. FBS

Source: 247 sports (Note: on 5/9 Anderson was removed from LC "offer"  list. His profile still reflects an LC offer)    

    http://www.hudl.com/profile/4067104/will-andersen

2) Grayson Crozier LB 6-0 195 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

  http://www.hudl.com/profile/4417190/grayson-crozier

  Source: twitter 5/9   Navy commit 6/23

3) Cole Caterbone WR 6-0 175 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

   http://www.hudl.com/profile/5280278/cole-caterbone

   Source: twitter 5/9

4) Ryan Rhoden DB 6-2 170 St. Thomas Aquinas  FL

    http://www.hudl.com/profile/5025767/ryan-rhoden

    Source: twitter 5/9

5) Neil Azar OL 6-4 285 Granby HS VA

   Source: twitter 5/30 (also FAU)
   
   http://www.hudl.com/video/3/5390373/5830a844c124de2ef4a1fc9a

   http://www.ultimaterecruit.com/757football/ivy-league-nike-opening-neal-azar/

6) Trevor Storm DE/OT 6-7 225 EASTON, PA

      Source: twitter 6/5  (7th D-1 offer claimed: Army, Brown, Bryant, Jackson State, Lafayette College, Monmouth and Robert Morris)

       http://www.hudl.com/profile/2815495/trevor-storm

7)  Michael Rose OLB/SS 6-4 215 Brecksville-Broadville OH

    https://www.hudl.com/profile/4845762/michael-rose

    Source: twitter 6/14   (also Gate, P, Ball St. others)

8 ) Kaleb Holcomb T/DE 6-4 255 Coffman HS, Dublin, OH

    http://www.hudl.com/profile/3972082/kaleb-holcomb

     Source: twitter 6/14 (also Bucknell, Fordham, Brown, HC others)

9)  Marty Geary DT/G 6-2/255 Loyola Academy, Wilmette, IL

      www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oXrcx7eV80&feature=youtu.be

      Source: twitter 6/16 (also U N. Dakota)

10) Micah Dennis CB/WR 5-10 175  IHS Frisco, TX

    http://www.hudl.com/profile/4155061/micah-dennis

    Source: twitter 6/23 (Bucknell, Columbia)

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RichH

Andy
Pards only offered 1 of. the Crozier twins?
Andy

RichH wrote:
Andy
Pards only offered 1 of. the Crozier twins?


Coleman never claimed an LC offer, Rich, but retweeted his brother's.
RichH

Interesting in a backward sort of way . Perhaps not a package deal?

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