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ericatbucknell
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6-10 peter daaleman commitsper hoop scoop, 6-10 north carolina center peter daaleman has committed to lafayette.
hes a bit under the radar, but espns scouts inc has some nice things to say:
| Quote: | | A very skilled senior big man who missed Saturday's action (2008 Bob Gibbons Fall Evaluation Clinic) with congestion in his chest, but played well on Sunday. Daaleman needs strength, and, obviously, was not at 100%. But, he showed good post moves, passing skills and an accurate shooting touch with range. He is still developing, but passes our look test. Those in need of a promising big man should check him out. |
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Kiltedpard
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The bench is getting alot taller. Next year will be 3 @ 6'-10" & 3 @ 6'-8". This makes 3, do we have another scholarship to give for this class?
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carney2
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During the Princeton game Gary Laubach mentioned that one of the contributing guards - Gruner, I think (I was only half listening at the time - is on an academic scholarship ala' the former QB, Bill Maurer. Is this true?
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bison137
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| carney2 wrote: | | During the Princeton game Gary Laubach mentioned that one of the contributing guards - Gruner, I think (I was only half listening at the time - is on an academic scholarship ala' the former QB, Bill Maurer. Is this true? |
Yes - Marquis Scholarship. He was not one of the three scholarship players in his class. The three with the schollys were Koltun, Hines, and Andersen.
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bison137
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| Kiltedpard wrote: | | This makes 3, do we have another scholarship to give for this class? |
It's often hard to tell what info is accurate, but all of the following have been reported to be on athletic scholarships in one press report or another:
Koltun
Kari
Mintz
Wheeler
Benbow
Visockas
Willen
Pelham
Mower
Petkovich
With the three commitments for next year, that would add up to 13 - which supposedly is higher than the allowable LC number, so it is possible some of the published reports are wrong. If they are, I'm not sure which player is not on scholarship. Maybe Kari - although it was reported on East Carolina's official site that he left ECU for a "scholarship offer" from Lafayette.
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Xboreturns
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Kari is a senior with junior elgibility. It has not been determined if he will be back next season.
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dogofthewater
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Scholarships and the Marquis in the old daysDoes anybody recall the fit the league had over the possibility of Marquis scholars playing sports way back around 1980 or so. What a bunch of pompous buffoons ran the show then.
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Pard Promise
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I don't think the scholarship players have ever been distinguished from the non-scholarship players publicly, so it's really just guessing.
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bison137
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| Pard Promise wrote: | | I don't think the scholarship players have ever been distinguished from the non-scholarship players publicly, so it's really just guessing. |
It's not "guessing", since all of the ones I named above have been named in articles or by scouting services as having received athletic scholarships. And several of the ones not on my list have been identified as not having received athletic scholarships. The issue is whether all of those reports were accurate.
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TheTruth
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I put little faith in all the reports and articles. They still claim our football recruits receive full scholarships and we all know that the Patriot League does not allow football scholarships. Sometimes a player, coach, parent, etc will refer to any aid they receive from a school as "scholarship" money. They do this for a number of reasons (talked about it before, no need to bring up dead topics).
From a fan's perspective, I'm not sure it is such a big deal whether a player receives a basketball scholarship or a Marquis scholarship. Sure it's nice to know but do you root for the players differently? The expectations should still be the same, right?
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Lafalum
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I have a problem with disclosing a Marquis Scholar publically once enrolled.
Why should these students get kudoes or special mention once an ordinary student. Shouldn't they all be judged by the same metric. (Dean's List, Phi Beta Kappa, etc) I could care less , once enrolled, that an athlete was all state, its what he does on the court or playing field today and tomorrow at Lafayette that counts, the same goes for his academic qualifications. I often wonder if the professor feels extra pressure to give the Marquis Scholar a benefit of the doubt in his classroom. If anything the athletic scholarship kid has more to crow about than an ordinary admit since he's done more and there were academic requirements for him to meet at Lafayette that others don't have to.
I have a proposal, why shouldn't good students who never got a Marquis Scholarship be eligible once enrolled......and for that matter why shouldn't a good athlete who walked on and did well get and athletic scholarship ( could especially be done by the non-counter sports). Both scenerios are imposible at Lafayette.
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bison137
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| TheTruth wrote: | I put little faith in all the reports and articles. They still claim our football recruits receive full scholarships and we all know that the Patriot League does not allow football scholarships. Sometimes a player, coach, parent, etc will refer to any aid they receive from a school as "scholarship" money. They do this for a number of reasons (talked about it before, no need to bring up dead topics).
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The basketball reports-while not always accurate - tend to be far more accurate than those for football - at least for the fall signees. First of all, these players are followed a lot more closely by the scouting services than are FCS football players. More importantly, virtually no player will commit in the Fall without a full scholarship, knowing that a good H.S. season may earn them a scholarship from someone.
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carney2
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| TheTruth wrote: | | From a fan's perspective, I'm not sure it is such a big deal whether a player receives a basketball scholarship or a Marquis scholarship. Sure it's nice to know but do you root for the players differently? The expectations should still be the same, right? |
Not a "big deal," but it is important since you get a hopefully qualified body on the roster without using up one of your athletic scholarships.
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bison137
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| carney2 wrote: | | TheTruth wrote: | | From a fan's perspective, I'm not sure it is such a big deal whether a player receives a basketball scholarship or a Marquis scholarship. Sure it's nice to know but do you root for the players differently? The expectations should still be the same, right? |
Not a "big deal," but it is important since you get a hopefully qualified body on the roster without using up one of your athletic scholarships. |
Yes, it's great if you can get a solid player with that sort of scholarship. Of course the Marquis scholarship is only worth a fraction of what a basketball scholarship is worth, so normally you will only get players who had no athletic scholarship offers. If a recruited athlete receives any need-based aid, however, he becomes a "counter".
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carney2
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| bison137 wrote: | | carney2 wrote: | | TheTruth wrote: | | From a fan's perspective, I'm not sure it is such a big deal whether a player receives a basketball scholarship or a Marquis scholarship. Sure it's nice to know but do you root for the players differently? The expectations should still be the same, right? |
Not a "big deal," but it is important since you get a hopefully qualified body on the roster without using up one of your athletic scholarships. |
Yes, it's great if you can get a solid player with that sort of scholarship. Of course the Marquis scholarship is only worth a fraction of what a basketball scholarship is worth, so normally you will only get players who had no athletic scholarship offers. If a recruited athlete receives any need-based aid, however, he becomes a "counter". |
This crap is way too complicated for me. We need a siimple mind like KenZ to explain it all.
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Lafalum
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I'll give it a try. Basketball and Football are counter sports. If you are recruited and you get aid you count as one scholarship regardless of the amount of the award. So the NCAA for Men's basketball allows 13 counters. Lafayette gives 12 scholarships ( all full rides).
Every other sport can give partials, so we give the equiviliant of 8 full rides in FH not counting need based aid. Partials can then be given and combined with athletic scholarships. The NCAA max for FH And Soccer is 13 each I believe.
Women's basketball has 15 NCAA allowed and Lafayette gives 13. Again if you are recruited your aid is counted as one scholarship.
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carney2
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| Lafalum wrote: | I'll give it a try. Basketball and Football are counter sports. If you are recruited and you get aid you count as one scholarship regardless of the amount of the award. So the NCAA for Men's basketball allows 13 counters. Lafayette gives 12 scholarships ( all full rides).
Every other sport can give partials, so we give the equiviliant of 8 full rides in FH not counting need based aid. Partials can then be given and combined with athletic scholarships. The NCAA max for FH And Soccer is 13 each I believe.
Women's basketball has 15 NCAA allowed and Lafayette gives 13. Again if you are recruited your aid is counted as one scholarship. |
More for women than men? Seems strange.
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TheTruth
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| bison137 wrote: | | TheTruth wrote: | I put little faith in all the reports and articles. They still claim our football recruits receive full scholarships and we all know that the Patriot League does not allow football scholarships. Sometimes a player, coach, parent, etc will refer to any aid they receive from a school as "scholarship" money. They do this for a number of reasons (talked about it before, no need to bring up dead topics).
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The basketball reports-while not always accurate - tend to be far more accurate than those for football - at least for the fall signees. First of all, these players are followed a lot more closely by the scouting services than are FCS football players. More importantly, virtually no player will commit in the Fall without a full scholarship, knowing that a good H.S. season may earn them a scholarship from someone. |
I've read too many reports and articles with incorrect information to put full trust in any service. But you do follow this stuff more closely than I do so your experience is probably different than mine.
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bison137
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| TheTruth wrote: | | bison137 wrote: | | TheTruth wrote: | I put little faith in all the reports and articles. They still claim our football recruits receive full scholarships and we all know that the Patriot League does not allow football scholarships. Sometimes a player, coach, parent, etc will refer to any aid they receive from a school as "scholarship" money. They do this for a number of reasons (talked about it before, no need to bring up dead topics).
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The basketball reports-while not always accurate - tend to be far more accurate than those for football - at least for the fall signees. First of all, these players are followed a lot more closely by the scouting services than are FCS football players. More importantly, virtually no player will commit in the Fall without a full scholarship, knowing that a good H.S. season may earn them a scholarship from someone. |
I've read too many reports and articles with incorrect information to put full trust in any service. But you do follow this stuff more closely than I do so your experience is probably different than mine. |
Plenty of incaccuracies in the spring. Almost none in the fall signing period. If a player "signs" in the Fall, it is pretty certain that he has a full scholarship - except for the Ivy world of course.
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TheTruth
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| bison137 wrote: | | TheTruth wrote: | | bison137 wrote: | | TheTruth wrote: | I put little faith in all the reports and articles. They still claim our football recruits receive full scholarships and we all know that the Patriot League does not allow football scholarships. Sometimes a player, coach, parent, etc will refer to any aid they receive from a school as "scholarship" money. They do this for a number of reasons (talked about it before, no need to bring up dead topics).
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The basketball reports-while not always accurate - tend to be far more accurate than those for football - at least for the fall signees. First of all, these players are followed a lot more closely by the scouting services than are FCS football players. More importantly, virtually no player will commit in the Fall without a full scholarship, knowing that a good H.S. season may earn them a scholarship from someone. |
I've read too many reports and articles with incorrect information to put full trust in any service. But you do follow this stuff more closely than I do so your experience is probably different than mine. |
Plenty of incaccuracies in the spring. Almost none in the fall signing period. If a player "signs" in the Fall, it is pretty certain that he has a full scholarship - except for the Ivy world of course. |
I guess that would have to be true for schools such as ours since this is the only way you can commit to the college that early (it's before early decision applications are due).
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RePard
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| Kiltedpard wrote: | | This makes 3, do we have another scholarship to give for this class? |
I am not sure. I thought we had been in the running for a good PG along with HC. Maybe Fran heard that HC had the inside track and didn't want to be left without a point. It's too bad because the other kid is pretty solid but then again I don't anything about our guy. Maybe he'll be a real surprise, still in all I really liked this other recruit.
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RePard
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Does anyone know the status of our scholarship situation? I spoke to someone in the program recently who says that we could get another player but would not elaborate on "how" this could be achieved. I asked about the PG recruit, Lee, who mentioned us as having offered and was told that he has still not comitted anywhere and could go Ivy, CAA, or PL. I guess no one is allowed to say very much but Bucknell, HC, and us all offered. Has anyone heard if we are still pursuing players?
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