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Bogus Megapardus

@ Bucknell

Friday evening, 7:30 PM at Mathewson Stadium.  PLN stream (hopefully in HD).

Bucknell is 6-6 (3-3 PL).  The Annoying Orange will clinch a PL tourney spot with a win.  They've something to play for.  Pards?  Not so much at this point.

The Buffalo Chips are in very much the same position as the Pards in terms of funding/scholarships. They have no scholarships of which I'm aware (perhaps bison137 can clarify this).  Yet they're a perennial contender with a strong reputation nationally.

The Bison beat Delaware just after we lost to Delaware; they beat Navy and they Beat Metropolitan College.  Bucknell plastered Holy Cross, 18-8, and they lost to Lehigh in a relatively low-scoring game.  Oddly the Bison lost by a goal to Colgate - the one PL team we beat (also by a goal).  We also seemed to play Army tougher than did they.

Last out the Buckyballers eviscerated Mount St Mary's, 16-6.  A beat down.  But they got plastered at North Carolina, 20-4, so they're not Loyola-good or anything like that.

Bucknell is .356 at faceoff but bison137 notes that they pulled a kid from the wrestling (#29 Colin Farawell?) who has been helping out as of late.  Apparently he's got some "twitch."  Notable stat - Bison are 15-33 (.455) EMO; Pards are a flaccid 10-46 (.217).  They're a little better with the clears; SOG %age is dead even.

Do we stand a chance?  It would ruin their day that's for sure.  Am I optimistic?  Yeah, why not. One never knows.  I'll certainly be watching the game (and perhaps yelling at the TV) - I say that because I couldn't even bear to watch our Loyola game.
ed65

Re: @ Bucknell

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Friday evening, 7:30 PM at Mathewson Stadium.  PLN stream (hopefully in HD).

Bucknell is 6-6 (3-3 PL).  The Annoying Orange will clinch a PL tourney spot with a win.  They've something to play for.  Pards?  Not so much at this point.

The Buffalo Chips are in very much the same position as the Pards in terms of funding/scholarships. They have no scholarships of which I'm aware (perhaps bison137 can clarify this).  Yet they're a perennial contender with a strong reputation nationally.

The Bison beat Delaware just after we lost to Delaware; they beat Navy and they Beat Metropolitan College.  Bucknell plastered Holy Cross, 18-8, and they lost to Lehigh in a relatively low-scoring game.  Oddly the Bison lost by a goal to Colgate - the one PL we beat (also by a goal).  We also seemed to play Army tougher than did they.

Last out the Buckyballers eviscerated Mount St Mary's, 16-6.  A beat down.  But they got plastered at North Carolina, 20-4, so they're not Loyola-good or anything like that.

Bucknell is .356 at faceoff but bison137 notes that they pulled a kid from the wrestling (#29 Colin Farawell?) who has been helping out as of late.  Apparently he's got some "twitch."  Notable stat - Bison are 15-33 (.455) EMO; Pards are a flaccid 10-46 (.217).  They're a little better with the clears; SOG %age is dead even.

Do we stand a chance?  It would ruin their day that's for sure.  Am I optimistic?  Yeah, why not. One never knows.  I'll certainly be watching the game (and perhaps yelling at the TV) - I say that because I couldn't even bear to watch our Loyola game.


I can't bear to watch LC Mens Lax period.  It just reminds me of what an underfunded, next to no scholies, poor alum support and a history of losing and lack of support from the admin will do.  One of the AD's failings (and there are many) is not recognizing the rise of LAX and its appeal to spring time athletes.

WINNING MATTERS
leopard88

I have been saying since my days on College Hill in the 80s that Lafayette should devote more resources to lacrosse.  I said it then because I thought it would be relatively easy to improve the program and gain a piece of the national spotlight.  I don't think that ship has sailed yet, but the journey has become much harder.
Lafalum

Patriot League is as close to a power conference in Lacrosse as it could get now. For Lafayette to levitate this program would be an enormous challenge. Beyond the resources now dedicated to the program presently, it would also take some administrative leadership and given the present state or lack their of leadership at the top at the college, I don't see it happening. It becomes  more difficult to raise money as result as well. The college will have to make the first step. With the president showing no interest in being a powerful force I don't see any change in the future.
bison137

Looking at the federal site that shows athletic expenses for each school by sport, the following is an estimate of how much each PL school spent on athletic aid for lacrosse a year ago:

Lehigh $700,000
Colgate $581,235
Bucknell $155,964
Lafayette $136,498
Holy Cross $72,101

Since athletic aid, coaches' salaries, recruiting expenses, and equipment (and a few other small items) are included in the same number, I made a very rough guess that most PL schools spend $225,000 on coaches' salaries, recruiting expenses, equipment, etc - which left me with the above.   I had to reduce the LU number a bit since it ended up higher than the max.   I assume they pay the coaching staff more than other PL schools and that I really should have used something higher than $225,000.  HC's coaching staff probably makes less - which would mean their athletic aid may be a bit higher than shown above.

Note that athletic aid is both lax scholarships plus any other aid that is converted to a grant because of the student's status as an athlete.   If the athlete gets exactly the same deal as any other student than it shouldn't count.
bison137

Re: @ Bucknell

Bogus Megapardus wrote:

The Buffalo Chips are in very much the same position as the Pards in terms of funding/scholarships. They have no scholarships of which I'm aware (perhaps bison137 can clarify this).  Yet they're a perennial contender with a strong reputation nationally.

Bucknell is .356 at faceoff but bison137 notes that they pulled a kid from the wrestling (#29 Colin Farawell?) who has been helping out as of late.



1.  Yes, BU has virtually no lax scholarships and a fairly low amount of athletic aid (see my post above).   Very similar to LC last year.

2.  Farawell is the newest FOGO, but it's unclear if he's really helping.   His pct was over 40% the past two weeks (better than the others!) but he faced off against the two weakest teams BU has played this year.    He wrestled last year but not this year.    In addition to being a good H.S. wrestler, he was a pretty good lax player as well.
PardsLax

Re: @ Bucknell

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Do we stand a chance?  It would ruin their day that's for sure.  Am I optimistic?  Yeah, why not. One never knows.


I'll be watching via the PLN as well but am expecting a loss in the neighborhood of 14-5.  The Bison are a little down this year but have had the Pards' number as of late.

2012:  17-6
2013:  15-6

I'd love to be wrong but it sure seems that the Pards have lost any mojo they had in the Colgate and Army games.  The defense was spectacular in the Colgate game but we haven't seen that type of intensity since.  The offense, when they actually have possession, has not been a threat all year which is difficult for me to understand as the starters have not changed all the much (Wanke was very productive as a freshman last year but Orazietti has been a nice replacement).  Probably too late to expect any changes this year.
Bogus Megapardus

Re: @ Bucknell

PardsLax wrote:
Wanke was very productive as a freshman last year but Orazietti has been a nice replacement.


Wanke has seen virtually nil this season.  Injured, or simply outperformed by Bock/Orazietti/Round? He did seem to have the goods last season.
PardsLax

Medical.
Bogus Megapardus

bison137 wrote:

Holy Cross $72,101



HC's lacrosse-playing neighbors in Worcester, Assumption College (D-II) and Clark University (D-III), probably can raise that much money with two bake sales and a car wash.
bison137

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
bison137 wrote:

Holy Cross $72,101



HC's lacrosse-playing neighbors in Worcester, Assumption College (D-II) and Clark University (D-III), probably can raise that much money with two bake sales and a car wash.



With HC reportedly having added scholarships, I imagine that number will rise significantly over the next few years.  Also, as mentioned above, I think that number is low since my formula assumed the same salaries for all coaching staff - but I think the HC staff is paid significantly less than the rest.
PardsLax

We just can't clear against the Bucknell ride.
PardsLax

I think I just heard we are being outshot 31-8.  Only have cleared 3 of 10.

Edit: 5-16 on clears through the 3rd.
pards4ever

I watched the game on tv... but can somebody who was at the game please explain what is going on with Sonny Round????? This has to be the all time low for this program!!!
pards4ever

i wish we had the Wagner game back....or maybe not
Bogus Megapardus

I stopped watching after the dismal first quarter and I headed off to Hillbilly Hall with the First Lady for beer and billiards.  As usual, the First Lady won the first four rounds against all the guys who dared to challenge her.  I drank Lagers and Single Malt in the meantime.

Without knowing, I'm going to assume that this outcome was better than that which I saw forthcoming in the Bucknell game before I left.

We're not very good, are we?
Lafalum

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
I stopped watching after the dismal first quarter and I headed off to Hillbilly Hall with the First Lady for beer and billiards.  As usual, the First Lady won the first four rounds against all the guys who dared to challenge her.  I drank Lagers and Single Malt in the meantime.

Without knowing, I'm going to assume that this outcome was better than that which I saw forthcoming in the Bucknell game before I left.

We're not very good, are we?


You are wrong it was worse than you thought and unfortunately the score was 1-13 and it looked worse than that. You are right we are not very good. Next week's game with Lehigh in which we charge 10 dollars and 5 dollars for alumni to sit in the seats may be a net loser after expenses….brilliant!!
seenalot

We were bad under Terry and this has gotten worse.  

Team looks lost and playing as if they just want it to end.  Time to ask the theoretical question (theoretical because AD wont do anything) about Coach Ski - should he step down?
pards4ever

its not Ski....you cant be  successful without being fully funded
Bogus Megapardus

seenalot wrote:
Coach Ski - should he step down?


Either that or he has to step up.  One way or the other.  A sidestep certainly won't do.

Keep in mind that Bucknell (and other successful programs) still do it without meaningful scholarships/grant money.
ed65

pards4ever wrote:
its not Ski....you cant be  successful without being fully funded


Quite correct by pards4.  Compare our meager funding to Loyola and even LU.
seenalot

No question that's part of the issue - but Bucknell makes it work with more/less the same and Holy Cross has beaten us 2 of past 3 getting less.  So I am not convinced that's the sole issue here.
Lafalum

seenalot wrote:
No question that's part of the issue - but Bucknell makes it work with more/less the same and Holy Cross has beaten us 2 of past 3 getting less.  So I am not convinced that's the sole issue here.


Lacrosse has a great capacity to raise money given the alumni base ( two sports and a long history..lacrosse graduate almost as many students every year as football) but no one wants to donate to a black hole of failure. It is more than money, but it may take some seed money to get it going and a demonstrated commitment. Succeeding in the Patriot League in lacrosse will not be easy.
bison137

ed65 wrote:
pards4ever wrote:
its not Ski....you cant be  successful without being fully funded


Quite correct by pards4.  Compare our meager funding to Loyola and even LU.



Money is obviously important, but as Bogie points out, Bucknell and some other programs have been successful without scholarship money.   There are a number of issues, with scholarships being a big one but clearly not the only one.
Franks Tanks

Different sport, but Union College with no scholarships just won the NCAA D-I hockey championship.  They beat fully funded Minnesota.

It is much easier with proper funding, but we should be able to field a half way competitive team even with poor funding.
Bogus Megapardus

Ahh . . . Union College.  I know it well.  Lot's of similarities to Lafayette College (student population, campus setting, richly endowed, offers undergraduate engineering, offers 26 sports) with one major difference - Union College can (and does) concentrate its athletic resources on a single sport - hockey.

Take Lafayette's pre-scholarship programs and match them up against Union's non-scholarship programs?  We'd beat them from here to Fargo in every sport, every time.  There's no comparison and no basis for a comparison.  Lafayette College does not have "a single" Division I sport as does Union College.  It has twenty-three of them.

I'm pleased that Union played David to the NCAA Goliaths in the Frozen Four.  The congratulations are well deserved.  But Hopkins did the same thing for years in lacrosse by fielding just one DI program - and may continue to do so thanks to Proposition 65-1.

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