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Kpard

@ Navy

Talk about home cooking. No breaks on officiating tonight!
bethlehempard

That doesn't explain everything about this loss. We are in "reversion to the mean" mode.
Last year we got to enjoy a late run. We will always have a shot at that.
We remain for the past 15 years an average to weak program in a one-bid league.
Andy

The Patriot League began offering basketball scholarships in the spring of 1997.  Lafayette College completed its first full year recruiting cycle with scholarships in spring 2007. Since 2010 LC has one championship, 3 other appearances in the tourney finals and 1 semi-final appearance. But, why let facts get in the way of the constant flow of negativity.
Lafalum

Andy wrote:
The Patriot League began offering basketball scholarships in the spring of 1997.  Lafayette College completed its first full year recruiting cycle with scholarships in spring 2007. Since 2010 LC has one championship, 3 other appearances in the tourney finals and 1 semi-final appearance. But, why let facts get in the way of the constant flow of negativity.


Totally agree, the Rothkopf administration and his small minded sycophants on the BOT crippled our men's basketball program ( which included the student athletes who endured it) for all those years. Actually it was Holy Cross who was the first to offer scholarships in a non-scholarship league, the rest of league sans Lafayette didn't start until 2003-4. It explains a lot of Holy Cross' success in those early years.
Andy

Lafalum wrote:
Andy wrote:
The Patriot League began offering basketball scholarships in the spring of 1997.  Lafayette College completed its first full year recruiting cycle with scholarships in spring 2007. Since 2010 LC has one championship, 3 other appearances in the tourney finals and 1 semi-final appearance. But, why let facts get in the way of the constant flow of negativity.


Totally agree, the Rothkopf administration and his small minded sycophants on the BOT crippled our men's basketball program ( which included the student athletes who endured it) for all those years. Actually it was Holy Cross who was the first to offer scholarships in a non-scholarship league, the rest of league sans Lafayette didn't start until 2003-4. It explains a lot of Holy Cross' success in those early years.


Sure does. HC went from consistently bad to first.  (As LC went from 1st to last) Also, full scholarship American entered the league in 2001 and had the best record in the league that season. Appeared in the tourney finals its first 3 years in the PL with their scholarship advantage.

Lehigh began awarding basketball scholarships in spring 1999 (Matt Logie, Tanner Engel).
bethlehempard

Army and Navy are the only two teams in the 10-team PL with winning records. The league's OOC record is about 45-70 and Lafayette is ninth.
This is not the best of all worlds.
Facts are facts and spin is spin.
Andy

bethlehempard wrote:

We remain for the past 15 years an average to weak program in a one-bid league.


No doubt a one-bid, lower level Div 1 league. An AI will do that. Hope we never lower standards.

Re avg to weak in that league - didn't the kids win 20 games and a championship last year?  Haven't they also been in the league finals or semis 4 times in the last 6 or so years?  I can't spin that. It's fact.
Lafalum

Andy wrote:


No doubt a one-bid, lower level Div 1 league. An AI will do that. Hope we never lower standards.



Agree, we just have to work hard at recruiting. Question: Name the two schools with the most NCAA championships. Answer : I believe it is Stanford and Princeton!! ( someone will surely correct me if I am wrong)
NewXbo

For some reason, we have a few posters, who claim to be Lafayette graduates, and only post when we lose. This applies to multiple sports.
DaveR

Lafalum wrote:
Andy wrote:


No doubt a one-bid, lower level Div 1 league. An AI will do that. Hope we never lower standards.



Agree, we just have to work hard at recruiting. Question: Name the two schools with the most NCAA championships. Answer : I believe it is Stanford and Princeton!! ( someone will surely correct me if I am wrong)


I root for LC and also Penn State (wife attended, and son does now).  
After Penn State women's soccer won the National Championship in 2015, they had nine straight years with a championship in at least one sport:
- Men's volleyball ('08 )
- Wrestling ('11-'14)
- Men's gymnastics ('07)
- Women's volleyball ('07-'10)
- Fencing ('07, '09, '10, '14)
- Women's soccer ('15)
bethlehempard

NewXbo wrote:
For some reason, we have a few posters, who claim to be Lafayette graduates, and only post when we lose. This applies to multiple sports.


This is Lafayette. If posters only commented after wins, opportunities would be scarce. The football board last year would have been nearly barren and WBB threads could skip entire decades.
The Maroon

NewXbo wrote:
For some reason, we have a few posters, who claim to be Lafayette graduates, and only post when we lose. This applies to multiple sports.


Pardfan81 or whoever it was that had a clear agenda with Lindner is on temporary forced hiatus. We had a similar poster years ago who also directly attacked a philly Guard - can't remember his name - but it was clearly personal.

I guess the Philly guys don't let things go.
The Maroon

O'Hanlon has always gotten the most out of what he has - no matter what else you may think of  him - and this year is no exception. We're getting blown out one night and just when we're ready to throw in the towel we win the next one.

I see us 6-12 or 7-11 in the league which is hardly bad given what we lost last year.

I wasn't nuts about the lifetime contract and we only seem to hit recruiting gold once every 3 or 4 years - but there's nobody I would want more on our sideline than O'Hanlon. 20 years in and I'm still blown away by his savvy. Speaking with players who have played for him - even one who transferred in - they can't believe how much they learned from him.
RichH

Fran may have issues regarding recruiting,but he is far and away the best game coach in the PL and probably among the best nationally. Over here we have likely the best recruiter in the PL but a very iffy game coach. IMHO,we bothe should be thankful for who we have ,rather than concentrating on what they lack.
Franks Tanks

Fran is the man. He is an excellent coach, and by all accounts one good dude.

My criticism of him is that he values shooters for his system above all else.  Given that this is Lafayette we do not get shooters who are also very athletic.  Those kids play in other leagues.  Fran gets kids who can shoot and fit in his system, and due to that he often gets kids who are somewhat limited athletically. Sometimes it all comes together, and sometimes his teams play poor D and are frustrating.  We just have to deal with it, but I respect Fran's vision, and the way he goes about accomplishing his goals.

A good coach has a system and coaches his players to get better within the chosen system.  Fran does that really well.  Our football coach is an example of someone who doesn't really have a system, and well we are where we are with that.  I like our young guys.  Hopefully Fran will stick around to see the Freshman through, as we can have a very good group in a few years.
Kpard

The Maroon wrote:
O'Hanlon has always gotten the most out of what he has - no matter what else you may think of  him - and this year is no exception. We're getting blown out one night and just when we're ready to throw in the towel we win the next one.

I see us 6-12 or 7-11 in the league which is hardly bad given what we lost last year.

I wasn't nuts about the lifetime contract and we only seem to hit recruiting gold once every 3 or 4 years - but there's nobody I would want more on our sideline than O'Hanlon. 20 years in and I'm still blown away by his savvy. Speaking with players who have played for him - even one who transferred in - they can't believe how much they learned from him.


This year's crew is Jekyll and Hyde for sure. FOH has got his offense - defense rotations in full force this year. Not so much last year with the experienced senior laden squad. (not the they played defense consistently well anyway) I am enjoying watching the development. The inconsistency is a little nerve racking though.
NewXbo

Fran coaches the way he played at Nova, lets outscore them. The NCAA is encouraging more scoring, hence the change in the shot clock. Nobody, well hardly anybody, wants to watch someone dribbling the ball for 30 seconds.  He may be old but he knows how players like to play.

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