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adcs2

Alston and Boykins

Lehigh's Brandon Alston has two years of eligibility and will rcv his Lehigh degRee in three years this May. Looks like he will be playing elsewhere as he tweeted "Thank you Lehigh for the experience and degree. I will forever cherish the memories. I will play two years of basketball at another University."

Similarly, the Pards Monty boykins is openly soliciting for a school to play his final season of hoops while getting a master's degree. "After three seasons at Lafayette college I'll be looking for a grad school to complete my fourth year of eligibility."

This loophole is being seriously abused. Good luck to both players. I hope the Lafayette coaching staff puts an equal amount of effort in finding a landing spot as the player exhibited in trying to get on the floor this season."
pardfan

Re: Alston and Boykins

adcs2 wrote:
Lehigh's Brandon Alston has two years of eligibility and will rcv his Lehigh degRee in three years this May. Looks like he will be playing elsewhere as he tweeted "Thank you Lehigh for the experience and degree. I will forever cherish the memories. I will play two years of basketball at another University."

Similarly, the Pards Monty boykins is openly soliciting for a school to play his final season of hoops while getting a master's degree. "After three seasons at Lafayette college I'll be looking for a grad school to complete my fourth year of eligibility."

This loophole is being seriously abused. Good luck to both players. I hope the Lafayette coaching staff puts an equal amount of effort in finding a landing spot as the player exhibited in trying to get on the floor this season."


Totally agree with that last sentence.
Kpard

Interesting.
pardfan

We have all this energy on the football threads regarding new team attitude and enthusiasm, better recruit talent, higher level of fan interest... just a total reinvigoration.  And yet, MBB/FOH just plods along as we accept our plight--we can barely give away scholarships to players nobody else in the PL would even want IMO.  It has to stop.  Why not now?  This is an institution of higher learning.  Are we this stupid?
Kpard

pardfan wrote:
We have all this energy on the football threads regarding new team attitude and enthusiasm, better recruit talent, higher level of fan interest... just a total reinvigoration.  And yet, MBB/FOH just plods along as we accept our plight--we can barely give away scholarships to players nobody else in the PL would even want IMO.  It has to stop.  Why not now?  This is an institution of higher learning.  Are we this stupid?


I think I said this in the football thread a while ago, players going to class and graduating are a given. Scholarships were supposed to elevate our talent level, not make it easier to recruit the same kids we would have gotten anyway.
Marooner

According to the Verbal Commits list (http://verbalcommits.com/transfers/2017), Dom Cristiano and Jimmy Panzini will both transfer.

Not sure if this is breaking news to those "in the know", but it just popped up on VC within the last day or so.
pardfan

Scholarship or no scholarship, would you want to ride the bench of a team this bad and going nowhere?  No thanks.  Life's too short.
adcs2

In addition to Alston, it looks like Matt Holba is transferring from Lehigh and a member of the coaching staff is moving on as well
RichH

As of now Holba is a rumor. Rowland is moving on.
Between injuries and transfers Reed has taken major hits to the front court over the last 3 yrs.As of now going into next yr with 10 or possibly 9 schollie players.
justasoldier

Men's basketball banquet this weekend. Only two seniors.

We may find out where Monty will surface next season.  Word is he has  few offers from schools on Long Island, a couple in the Midwest, and one on the West Coast.

We know where Nick is going. He will miss graduation as he begins his training to become a Navy Seal.  Special player, special guy.

Good Luck to both.
bethlehempard

Boykins is visiting Penn State:

http://www.roarlionsroar.com/penn...-mcknight-recruiting-pat-chambers

And interested in Pittsburgh.
bison137

bethlehempard wrote:
Boykins is visiting Penn State:

http://www.roarlionsroar.com/penn...-mcknight-recruiting-pat-chambers

And interested in Pittsburgh.



Between outgoing transfers (five at last count) and decommitments, Pitt has four or five spots still open for this fall.    Since there are very few available players left - and Pitt likely doesn't want to give a scholarship to a mediocre HS senior just to help fill its roster - I wouldn't be at all surprised if Boykins gets an offer.
bethlehempard

It seemed like a leap but I see your point. It's a one-year plug-in with minimal risk and for Boykins a year at a great school.
Pitt is becoming a popular school for Lehigh Valley students who want the university experience in an urban setting. Plus the in-state cost is around $32,000 annually.
Penn State's hold on the area remains strong. As a non-local I've never really understood that.
Pitt should have been in the Big 10 anyway.
The real mess is how the northeastern big schools never all got together. The tradition of the Eastern independent and certain school rivalries prevented that.
After all, if Rutgers can get into the Big 10, anything can happen.
RichH

Very little common ground back then for the northeastern bigs. Rutgers wasnt one. PSU had no use for Pitt and neither liked Cuse. BC had little historical connection. Army and Navy were bigs then but faded back. Temple wasnt even in the discussion. There was some movement towards a conference but PSU wanted no part of it. Big East tried but by then Bball was driving the bus.
A shame really as I think that group made sense and could have succeeded.
bethlehempard

Penn State, Pitt, Temple, Syracuse, Boston College, Army, Navy and Rutgers would be a solid football conference now.
WVU was part of the old Big East football lineup as was Virginia Tech. Miami was there briefly. Maybe others I've forgotten. Louisville too.
UConn didn't play BCS football until about 20 years ago, it too was in the Big East. Nor did UMass, until later.  That UMass venture has not gone well. Buffalo was also 1AA, now FBS. A former Lafayette opponent.
If only Army and Navy had gone to 1AA, what a conference the Patriot League could have been.
carney2

bethlehempard wrote:

Pitt should have been in the Big 10 anyway.


[quote=RichH]There was some movement towards a conference but PSU wanted no part of it.[/quote]

All of this depends on where you're sitting, I suppose.  Pitt never had a chance at the B1G.  With Penn State in the conference, they bring absolutely nothing to the table economically or demographically.  Besides they cannot put fannies in the seats for the conference's marquis sport - football.  As for the eastern all-sports conference that was being kicked around in the late 80s, the Pitt people agree with Rich - Paterno killed it.  The Penn State people will tell you that it was Pitt and Syracuse who did it in.  They supposedly refused to bottom feed by stepping onto a basketball court with the Nittanies four times per year.  Take your choice.
bison137

carney2 wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:

Pitt should have been in the Big 10 anyway.


[quote=RichH]There was some movement towards a conference but PSU wanted no part of it.


All of this depends on where you're sitting, I suppose.  Pitt never had a chance at the B1G.  With Penn State in the conference, they bring absolutely nothing to the table economically or demographically.  Besides they cannot put fannies in the seats for the conference's marquis sport - football.  As for the eastern all-sports conference that was being kicked around in the late 80s, the Pitt people agree with Rich - Paterno killed it.  The Penn State people will tell you that it was Pitt and Syracuse who did it in.  They supposedly refused to bottom feed by stepping onto a basketball court with the Nittanies four times per year.  Take your choice.[/quote]


Some will recall that Penn State missed by one vote of becoming a Big East member in 1982.    Needed 75% of the votes.   Got 5 of the 8 - with Nova, St. Johns, and Georgetown voting against them.   Had PSU been in the league, talk might have started earlier about expanding the league to include football - and PSU might have signed on before there was a Big Ten offer in front of them.   By the mid-80's, Pitt was a Big East member and VA Tech, Miami, West Virginia, Temple, and Rutgers were all looking for a football league.
RichH

True 137. I hoped PSU would get in but SJU and all were adamantly opposed to adfing a football first PSU. They wanted a Bball centric conference. Shortsighted (well given our hindsight). Wpuld have been one hell of a conference in both sports.
Franks Tanks

Watch the 30 for 30 doc on the Big East for more on this subject.  It is very well done.  The film is basketball centric, but talks about the Penn State issue and how the politics of the day killed the conference folks are mentioning here.
bethlehempard

Monty Boykins on visiting Pitt:

https://www.google.com/amp/pittsb...ykins-anticipates-pitt-visit/amp/
pardfan

IMO The Pitt's of the world are going to expect more from Monty than he is willing to give or capable of giving.
Lafalum

The guy wants his last year of basketball, I wish him the best and who knows surrounded with a good group of athletes!! Seems like a great opportunity. go for it!!
Kpard

As an alum, I think we all wish him well.
bethlehempard

This appears to be accurate but pretty shocking: LSU wants Alston?

http://lsu.247sports.com/Board/59...-transfer-Brandon-Alston-52628200

Dunkum to Creighton. Boykins may go to Pitt. Now Alston to the SEC?

This is weird.
bison137

bethlehempard wrote:
This appears to be accurate but pretty shocking: LSU wants Alston?

http://lsu.247sports.com/Board/59...-transfer-Brandon-Alston-52628200

Dunkum to Creighton. Boykins may go to Pitt. Now Alston to the SEC?

This is weird.



To give you a further example, Mt. St. Mary's - which had a good year this year and was primed to be really good the next two years - had three starters transfer out, a soph and two frosh.    One ended up at Texas, one already has an offer from Penn State, and the third signed with UNCW - which won 29 games this year and ran away with the CAA title.    

I guess teams like players who have demonstrated they can play at the D1 level and who have already gone through the transition period from HS to college, athletically, socially, and academically.   Also it is hard for a player to transfer twice - so if you take a transfer, you have a good chance to hang onto them.   That is unless they turn out to not be very good and then you yank their scholarship.
bethlehempard

Penn State, Pitt or Duquesne for Boykin

http://pittsburghsportsnow.com/20...ykins-approaching-final-decision/
bethlehempard

Boykins will play at Pitt next year.
The Patriot League is a great league (to transfer from).
Kpard

bethlehempard wrote:
Boykins will play at Pitt next year.
The Patriot League is a great league (to transfer from).


It is the best basketball situation to be in. Will keep an eye out for him.
Best of luck Monty.
bison137

Kpard wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
Boykins will play at Pitt next year.
The Patriot League is a great league (to transfer from).


It is the best basketball situation to be in. Will keep an eye out for him.
Best of luck Monty.



Yes, it is a good situation for him.   Closer to home, playing for an ACC school that desperately needs players for a year, and presumably a free Masters Degree.   I believe Pitt lost 5 players to transfer and had two decommitments, so there will be lots of minutes, albeit for a really bad team.

I just hope he didn't believe Stallings' recruiting spin:   "He could help me develop into one of the premier shooters in the ACC next year"   . . .   If he really believes that, then I have a couple of bridges I'd love to sell him.
bethlehempard

Alston will visit UMass and Georgia Tech, according to ESPN. It's becoming quite a grand tour.
bethlehempard

Lehigh's Matt Holba has transferred to IPFW, back home for him. LU may be a scholarship athlete or two short this year.
RichH

bethlehempard wrote:
Lehigh's Matt Holba has transferred to IPFW, back home for him. LU may be a scholarship athlete or two short this year.

Yup at least 1.
bison137

bethlehempard wrote:
Lehigh's Matt Holba has transferred to IPFW, back home for him. LU may be a scholarship athlete or two short this year.



LU graduated Kempton, Price, and Devon Carter (who rarely played), plus the they lost the two transfers Holba and Alston.    But they have added three incoming freshmen plus juco transfer Ed Porter, who will have sophomore eligibility.   Additionally they add transfer Lance Tejada, who sat out last year.   Also if they are lucky, two big men (Sedore and Lieb) who missed last year due to injuries may be healthy enough to play this year.   So they should have at leat as many available players as last year and perhaps more.  Looks like 11 scholarship players plus a couple of preferred walk-ons.   But replacing Kempton, Price, and Alston with newcomers will be a net loss in terms of performance.

Over the past couple of years, LU has lost Holba, Alston, Tyler Jenkins, Shane Whitfield, and Miles Simelton to transfer.   Also at least three preferred walk-ons have transferred out.
bethlehempard

Brandon Alston will attend Georgia Tech:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.aj...r/ftCPMk8gkEiN9d68UaZ1HO/amp.html
bethlehempard

The Milwaukee Bucks invited Kempton to play for their summer-league team.
adcs2

The Milwaukee Bucks invited Kempton to play for their summer-league team.

The Buck will definitely stop there. He is no NBA player.
gopards

From verbal commits Sam Dunkum is Transfering from Creighton
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/sam-dunkum
Kpard

Back to Arkansas?
bison137

gopards wrote:
From verbal commits Sam Dunkum is Transfering from Creighton
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/sam-dunkum



I would guess that he found out that his dream of Creighton giving him a scholarship next year was nothing more than a bad dream.   He is probably the only one who thought that was going to happen.

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