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NewXbo

Another bad day at Metzgar

Sophomore pitcher Dave Bednar pitched a 2 hit, 10K seven inning game only to lose 1-0 in the 8th to Holy Cross.  We managed only 4 hits. Second game still to be played.

Meanwhile over on the softball field we got mercy ruled in the 5th, 11-3, by Lehigh.
NewXbo

Re: Another bad day at Metzgar

NewXbo wrote:
Sophomore pitcher Dave Bednar pitched a 2 hit, 10K seven inning game only to lose 1-0 in the 8th to Holy Cross.  We managed only 4 hits. Second game still to be played.

Meanwhile over on the softball field we got mercy ruled in the 5th, 11-3, by Lehigh.


We drop the 9 inning second game 1-0, just 3 hits.
pardfan

There is only one active coach at Lafayette (men's soccer) with a winning record.  I find that troubling.  (I am not blaming the coaches totally.  It's just a barometer.) Point is:  There is a whole lotta losing going on (It FEELS "historic" in dimension) which has been masked by 150 and its (what-seemed-like) two year anticipation and the March Madness season in MBB.  (I'm not talking .500 records either.  Some of our teams have had .250 seasons in recent years--with no real turnaround in sight.  We're just a snack--baseball, softball, lacrosse M &W, cross-country especially (Did I forget anybody?)-- for many of the other programs in the Patriot League.    So what?  I guess that's one way of looking at it.  May be the only way.
Franks Tanks

pardfan wrote:
There is only one active coach at Lafayette (men's soccer) with a winning record.  I find that troubling.  (I am not blaming the coaches totally.  It's just a barometer.) Point is:  There is a whole lotta losing going on (It FEELS "historic" in dimension) which has been masked by 150 and its (what-seemed-like) two year anticipation and the March Madness season in MBB.  (I'm not talking .500 records either.  Some of our teams have had .250 seasons in recent years--with no real turnaround in sight.  We're just a snack--baseball, softball, lacrosse M &W, cross-country especially (Did I forget anybody?)-- for many of the other programs in the Patriot League.    So what?  I guess that's one way of looking at it.  May be the only way.


Swimming and Volleyball.. oh and women's basketball and Soccer.  Easier to name the handful of competitive programs we do have.  Some programs probably haven't had a winning season in 20 years.  If anyone has time on their hands I would be very interested in knowing the last time some of our worst programs like softball and volleyball had a winning season.  Swimming is probably on the same boat.
pardfan

Frank,
I've got a one-on-one with A. Byerly (her idea before a dinner here in Chicago).  Any questions you want me to ask or comments to make? This is your chance.
bethlehempard

It's been a few years since the softball team lost fewer than 30. I might get out tomorrow for baseball.
Go Pards!
One other thing: I know nothing about lacrosse but I take my son and his friends to a game or two each year. We are yet to see a win but could they at least have more stock in the snack bar?
I'm not asking for greatness. Just some coffee and Skittles.
Lafalum

pardfan wrote:
Frank,
I've got a one-on-one with A. Byerly (her idea before a dinner here in Chicago).  Any questions you want me to ask or comments to make? This is your chance.


I have one. The college is unable to give the coaches an accurate accounting of  the money they have available to spend on scholarships in a timely and definitive way. This is especially a problem in the non counter sports, Lacrosse, soccer, baseball,softball and field hockey. The issue is some players quit, leave or get cut who had partial scholarships. The coaches of these sports have no idea how much money has been carried forward and  should be made available. It has made recruiting difficult. The problem has been brought to Allyson's attention but nothing has been done.

A second problem has been timely evaluation for admittance this has led in several instances to delays and losses in recruiting athletes. This is especially  true outside of normal college wide reading of applications when offers must be made.

On the positive side she is much more engaged in the management of the department by meeting with senior people on a more frequent basis than her last two predecessors.

I don't know if anyone noticed but the three people who were inducted into the Societe d'honneur ( people giving 1 million or more during their lifetime) on friday were athletes and I understand mentioned their athletic connections in their acceptance speeches. Walter Oeschle whose building was dedicated on Friday was a huge supporter of athletic scholarships. ( For those of you who have forgotten he publicly offered rothkopf three time his salary to resign as a result of his efforts to block scholarships when every one else had them).
pardfan

Dinner is Apr 22 (I think.  Wife knows and is out of town.) so give me time.  I will definitely ask her.
NewXbo

bethlehempard wrote:
It's been a few years since the softball team lost fewer than 30. I might get out tomorrow for baseball.
Go Pards!
One other thing: I know nothing about lacrosse but I take my son and his friends to a game or two each year. We are yet to see a win but could they at least have more stock in the snack bar?
I'm not asking for greatness. Just some coffee and Skittles.



If you are going to Metzgar, bring your own food and drink. Bon Appetite does not provide any options, unlike Scotty Wood's Sodexho, the previous vendor. There was an outside vendor, Heaven on a Bun, but they are not there this year. Why can't they have some of the out of season sports run a stand? They have a portable Coke wagon sitting out there.
bethlehempard

Another cold day at Metzgar: forecast for start of game, 38 degrees. Multiple events. Somebody could make a little money selling hot stuff. Maybe a retirement job plan.
bethlehempard

Metzgar is packed. No score after a half inning of baseball.
As usual I could do without the loud music. I don't get that at all.
Softball down 2-0 in the sixth. Two-hit shutout as of now.

Baseball up 1-0 in the third. Just GIDP.
bethlehempard

Softball: double shutout. Three hits total.
Baseball: lost first 7-1. Being shutout in the second.
As has been noted here: I feel bad for our kids.
flyfisher

I recently found out that our baseball program only has 1.5 scholarships a year. A fully funded D1 program is 11.7. Simply put, we are not going to be competitive with that kind of support. Coach doesn't have a chance. Any asst coaches are just trying to dress up a resume and move out. No wonder we get slaughtered. Curious how much funding other PL schools have.

School is not publicly divulging amount of money made on 150th. Appears there may be some issue as to how profits get allocated. I know nothing else.
ed65

flyfisher wrote:
I recently found out that our baseball program only has 1.5 scholarships a year. A fully funded D1 program is 11.7. Simply put, we are not going to be competitive with that kind of support. Coach doesn't have a chance. Any asst coaches are just trying to dress up a resume and move out. No wonder we get slaughtered. Curious how much funding other PL schools have.

School is not publicly divulging amount of money made on 150th. Appears there may be some issue as to how profits get allocated. I know nothing else.


Totally agree with you Fly re: baseball.  We need to increase spending on a sport which is LC's oldest, having started in 1869 believe it or not.  The Friends group is doing an excellent job but Joe needs more scholies.  He has barely enough for pitchers and definitely needs some for hitters and position players.
Franks Tanks

ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
I recently found out that our baseball program only has 1.5 scholarships a year. A fully funded D1 program is 11.7. Simply put, we are not going to be competitive with that kind of support. Coach doesn't have a chance. Any asst coaches are just trying to dress up a resume and move out. No wonder we get slaughtered. Curious how much funding other PL schools have.

School is not publicly divulging amount of money made on 150th. Appears there may be some issue as to how profits get allocated. I know nothing else.


Totally agree with you Fly re: baseball.  We need to increase spending on a sport which is LC's oldest, having started in 1869 believe it or not.  The Friends group is doing an excellent job but Joe needs more scholies.  He has barely enough for pitchers and definitely needs some for hitters and position players.


Any idea how we match up against our league foes regarding scholarships?  Holy Cross used to have the worst athletic program in the league, mostly due to very poor non-revenue sports.  They seem to be getting quite a bit better in sports like Lacrosse and Baseball.  We are getting worse!  Has Holy Cross ramped up funding?
ed65

Franks Tanks wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
I recently found out that our baseball program only has 1.5 scholarships a year. A fully funded D1 program is 11.7. Simply put, we are not going to be competitive with that kind of support. Coach doesn't have a chance. Any asst coaches are just trying to dress up a resume and move out. No wonder we get slaughtered. Curious how much funding other PL schools have.

School is not publicly divulging amount of money made on 150th. Appears there may be some issue as to how profits get allocated. I know nothing else.


Totally agree with you Fly re: baseball.  We need to increase spending on a sport which is LC's oldest, having started in 1869 believe it or not.  The Friends group is doing an excellent job but Joe needs more scholies.  He has barely enough for pitchers and definitely needs some for hitters and position players.


Any idea how we match up against our league foes regarding scholarships?  Holy Cross used to have the worst athletic program in the league, mostly due to very poor non-revenue sports.  They seem to be getting quite a bit better in sports like Lacrosse and Baseball.  We are getting worse!  Has Holy Cross ramped up funding?


Bison could probably tell us.
Franks Tanks

ed65 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
I recently found out that our baseball program only has 1.5 scholarships a year. A fully funded D1 program is 11.7. Simply put, we are not going to be competitive with that kind of support. Coach doesn't have a chance. Any asst coaches are just trying to dress up a resume and move out. No wonder we get slaughtered. Curious how much funding other PL schools have.

School is not publicly divulging amount of money made on 150th. Appears there may be some issue as to how profits get allocated. I know nothing else.


Totally agree with you Fly re: baseball.  We need to increase spending on a sport which is LC's oldest, having started in 1869 believe it or not.  The Friends group is doing an excellent job but Joe needs more scholies.  He has barely enough for pitchers and definitely needs some for hitters and position players.


Any idea how we match up against our league foes regarding scholarships?  Holy Cross used to have the worst athletic program in the league, mostly due to very poor non-revenue sports.  They seem to be getting quite a bit better in sports like Lacrosse and Baseball.  We are getting worse!  Has Holy Cross ramped up funding?


Bison could probably tell us.


I did a bit of research, and it appears that the Softball has had 2 winning seasons in the last 30 years.  1985 and 2008.  They team was pretty solid in the late 2000's, but has really struggled recently.  Baseball was also fairly strong around that point, and I believe won the league in 2007.

Still no idea about funding vs. other PL schools.  Bison would nail this, but he is probably in a period of mourning from the news that Dave Paulson is leaving.
Andy

Franks Tanks wrote:
ed65 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
I recently found out that our baseball program only has 1.5 scholarships a year. A fully funded D1 program is 11.7. Simply put, we are not going to be competitive with that kind of support. Coach doesn't have a chance. Any asst coaches are just trying to dress up a resume and move out. No wonder we get slaughtered. Curious how much funding other PL schools have.

School is not publicly divulging amount of money made on 150th. Appears there may be some issue as to how profits get allocated. I know nothing else.


Totally agree with you Fly re: baseball.  We need to increase spending on a sport which is LC's oldest, having started in 1869 believe it or not.  The Friends group is doing an excellent job but Joe needs more scholies.  He has barely enough for pitchers and definitely needs some for hitters and position players.


Any idea how we match up against our league foes regarding scholarships?  Holy Cross used to have the worst athletic program in the league, mostly due to very poor non-revenue sports.  They seem to be getting quite a bit better in sports like Lacrosse and Baseball.  We are getting worse!  Has Holy Cross ramped up funding?


Bison could probably tell us.


I did a bit of research, and it appears that the Softball has had 2 winning seasons in the last 30 years.  1985 and 2008.  They team was pretty solid in the late 2000's, but has really struggled recently.  Baseball was also fairly strong around that point, and I believe won the league in 2007.

Still no idea about funding vs. other PL schools.  Bison would nail this, but he is probably in a period of mourning from the news that Dave Paulson is leaving.


Hard to say as the Equity in Athletics site doesn't break down expenses (except for operating ex.) for sports other than FB and Hoops.
bison137

Franks Tanks wrote:
ed65 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
I recently found out that our baseball program only has 1.5 scholarships a year. A fully funded D1 program is 11.7. Simply put, we are not going to be competitive with that kind of support. Coach doesn't have a chance. Any asst coaches are just trying to dress up a resume and move out. No wonder we get slaughtered. Curious how much funding other PL schools have.

School is not publicly divulging amount of money made on 150th. Appears there may be some issue as to how profits get allocated. I know nothing else.


Totally agree with you Fly re: baseball.  We need to increase spending on a sport which is LC's oldest, having started in 1869 believe it or not.  The Friends group is doing an excellent job but Joe needs more scholies.  He has barely enough for pitchers and definitely needs some for hitters and position players.


Any idea how we match up against our league foes regarding scholarships?  Holy Cross used to have the worst athletic program in the league, mostly due to very poor non-revenue sports.  They seem to be getting quite a bit better in sports like Lacrosse and Baseball.  We are getting worse!  Has Holy Cross ramped up funding?


Bison could probably tell us.


I did a bit of research, and it appears that the Softball has had 2 winning seasons in the last 30 years.  1985 and 2008.  They team was pretty solid in the late 2000's, but has really struggled recently.  Baseball was also fairly strong around that point, and I believe won the league in 2007.

Still no idea about funding vs. other PL schools.  Bison would nail this, but he is probably in a period of mourning from the news that Dave Paulson is leaving.



HC has a few lax scholarships but none in baseball.

Not mourning the loss of DP too much, although it will depend on who they choose as his successor and whether they do it quickly.  DP was a very good recruiter but his teams undeachieved offensively.   Also perhaps the most predictable team in the nation defensively.

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