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bethlehempard

Army

Jan. 17, 1991
Army at Lafayette, simultaneous with the beginning of Operation Desert Storm, Gulf War 1. A vivid memory for those at the game. The war started shortly after the game began.

Army 64, Lafayette 57
Kevin Berry scored 15 points to lead Army past Lafayette
in a Patriot League game in Easton, Pa. James Collins added
13 points for Army. Jeff Antolick led Lafayette, 4-10, 0-2,
with 15 points, and Craig White added 14.

If I recall correctly, the Army players didn't find out about the war until after the game.

Tonight
Common opponent, St. Francis-Brooklyn
Army 76, SF 56 (home)
Lafayette 74, SF 72 (away)



Sagarin
Army 201
Lafayette 322

Army 6-8, 0-2 (Lehigh 66-59, Bucknell 84-76)
Lafayette 5-8, 1-1 (L-Colgate, W-Loyola-MD)
Kpard

The Kanigits are 0-2 in the PL so far and will be looking to get a W. Let's see what we learned from our road win in MD.
Kpard

I can't get too giddy over a home win against Army West Point (not sure what other Army there is?) but a win is a win. We got up quick on them and kept the lead. Finally starting to make FTs like a FOH team.
BTW the brown went down in Bethlehem last night to Loyola.
We are tie for second right now and hosting the first place Metro College Terriers on Sunday.
leopard88

Kpard wrote:
I can't get too giddy over a home win against Army West Point (not sure what other Army there is?) but a win is a win. We got up quick on them and kept the lead. Finally starting to make FTs like a FOH team.
BTW the brown went down in Bethlehem last night to Loyola.
We are tie for second right now and hosting the first place Metro College Terriers on Sunday.


Lafayette beats Loyola in Baltimore.

Loyola beats Lehigh in Bethlehem.

Ergo . . .
Kpard

Ergo the PL is just like all the other leagues. Once you get to league play, who knows.
Dr. Reed may be a good recruiter and evaluator of talent. Runs a good program and must certainly be organized. He does, however, have the propensity to be out coached during the athletic contests. FOH has proven that many times with lesser talent. Hee hee!
leopard88

Kpard wrote:
Ergo the PL is just like all the other leagues. Once you get to league play, who knows.
Dr. Reed may be a good recruiter and evaluator of talent. Runs a good program and must certainly be organized. He does, however, have the propensity to be out coached during the athletic contests. FOH has proven that many times with lesser talent. Hee hee!


Very Happy
bethlehempard

Reed is 166-124 at Lehigh (since 2007-Cool and 12-8 versus Lafayette.
That's the reality. Lehigh has been better and more prominent nationally. It's not even close.
The goal is not to beat the better team, but to be the better team.
Lafayette is 130-157 over that same time span.
If occasional upsets over superior talent is satisfactory, well, go to it. Play hard, boys!
If Lehigh is presumed to have some innate advantage, fine. That's something new.
From my point of view, this wasn't what the scholarship era was supposed to be about.
Andy

Great to get another win.Doing it with one senior and about 80 freshman mins is a tribute to the coaching and the kid's effort.

Local paper reported LC funds 11 scholarships. Inexcusable. Wonder how many teams have a similar situation.

Do you think Fran could win a championship with Tim Kempton and Ross? Will Reed?
bison137

Andy wrote:
Great to get another win.Doing it with one senior and about 80 freshman mins is a tribute to the coaching and the kid's effort.

Local paper reported LC funds 11 scholarships. Inexcusable. Wonder how many teams have a similar situation.

Do you think Fran could win a championship with Tim Kempton and Ross? Will Reed?


Lots of PL teams have 11 or fewer scholarships due to transfers.   LC has had more than that in the past and will gave more in the future.
Andy

bison137 wrote:
Andy wrote:
Great to get another win.Doing it with one senior and about 80 freshman mins is a tribute to the coaching and the kid's effort.

Local paper reported LC funds 11 scholarships. Inexcusable. Wonder how many teams have a similar situation.

Do you think Fran could win a championship with Tim Kempton and Ross? Will Reed?


Lots of PL teams have 11 or fewer scholarships due to transfers.   LC has had more than that in the past and will gave more in the future.


We're playing with 9 (not counting injured Boykins), but different issue. My point was it has been reported that LC funds 11scholarships max. Presumably, if there will be a 12th, it will have to be funded by alums. Forget about 13.

Verbalcommits.com shows Bucknell with 13 scholarship players. Is that accurate?

BU with 13.
Kpard

Andy wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Andy wrote:
Great to get another win.Doing it with one senior and about 80 freshman mins is a tribute to the coaching and the kid's effort.

Local paper reported LC funds 11 scholarships. Inexcusable. Wonder how many teams have a similar situation.

Do you think Fran could win a championship with Tim Kempton and Ross? Will Reed?


Lots of PL teams have 11 or fewer scholarships due to transfers.   LC has had more than that in the past and will gave more in the future.


We're playing with 9 (not counting injured Boykins), but different issue. My point was it has been reported that LC funds 11scholarships max. Presumably, if there will be a 12th, it will have to be funded by alums. Forget about 13.

Verbalcommits.com shows Bucknell with 13 scholarship players. Is that accurate?

BU with 13.


I'm sure this will be brought out and corrected by out new committee!?  Shocked  Rolling Eyes
Andy

Kpard wrote:
Andy wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Andy wrote:
Great to get another win.Doing it with one senior and about 80 freshman mins is a tribute to the coaching and the kid's effort.

Local paper reported LC funds 11 scholarships. Inexcusable. Wonder how many teams have a similar situation.

Do you think Fran could win a championship with Tim Kempton and Ross? Will Reed?


Lots of PL teams have 11 or fewer scholarships due to transfers.   LC has had more than that in the past and will gave more in the future.


We're playing with 9 (not counting injured Boykins), but different issue. My point was it has been reported that LC funds 11scholarships max. Presumably, if there will be a 12th, it will have to be funded by alums. Forget about 13.

Verbalcommits.com shows Bucknell with 13 scholarship players. Is that accurate?

BU with 13.


I'm sure this will be brought out and corrected by out new committee!?  Shocked  Rolling Eyes


Riiiightt....   Wink

Reinhard:

Right now virtually every Lafayette scholarship sport is funded by the college at a level lower than permitted in the Patriot League. Football, for example, gets 56 instead of 60 from the college budget; men’s basketball gets 11 instead of 13 and women’s basketball gets 13 instead of 15./////

http://ramblingsfromthebench.blog...-garrett-newest-leopard.html#more
BillS

Andy wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Andy wrote:
Great to get another win.Doing it with one senior and about 80 freshman mins is a tribute to the coaching and the kid's effort.

Local paper reported LC funds 11 scholarships. Inexcusable. Wonder how many teams have a similar situation.

Do you think Fran could win a championship with Tim Kempton and Ross? Will Reed?


Lots of PL teams have 11 or fewer scholarships due to transfers.   LC has had more than that in the past and will gave more in the future.


We're playing with 9 (not counting injured Boykins), but different issue. My point was it has been reported that LC funds 11scholarships max. Presumably, if there will be a 12th, it will have to be funded by alums. Forget about 13.

Verbalcommits.com shows Bucknell with 13 scholarship players. Is that accurate?

BU with 13.
As with everything else are athletic funding is always a day late and a dollar short ugh
Andy

Yup. Spend millions, pay a coach 300k, and then give him less tools to do the job than everyone else in the league makes no sense.

AU with 13
Gate 13
Leh 12
Loy 13

Am I correct that our last transfer was Knitter in 2001?
Kpard

Jeff Kerry was from E Carolina, I beleive
Andy

Kpard wrote:
Jeff Kerry was from E Carolina, I beleive


Good call, KP!

So, LC incoming transfers:

Jeff Kari 2007 - ECU
Sean Knitter 2001 - Delaware
bison137

Last year LC had 12 players who were reported by multiple sources to be scholarship players. The previous year, there were 13 players reported to be on scholarship. I don't believe the newspaper report is completely accurate.
Lafalum

I think what has happened is that Men's BBall originally had 12 scholarships. They have lost players before graduating and the scholarships have not been replaced. He continues to get three per year.
bethlehempard

Andrew Pleick, started playing in 2001-02. He got screwed out of a year by his coach at Drake.
Knitter didn't play until 2003. Lafayette could use more guys like him.
Pleick played in Sweden for a few years.
bison137

Lafalum wrote:
I think what has happened is that Men's BBall originally had 12 scholarships. They have lost players before graduating and the scholarships have not been replaced. He continues to get three per year.


That may be correct, but somehow he had 13 two years ago.   IMO the problem isn't the number of scholarships or funding in general, but rather how FOH has used them.
Andy

bethlehempard wrote:
Andrew Pleick, started playing in 2001-02. He got screwed out of a year by his coach at Drake.
Knitter didn't play until 2003. Lafayette could use more guys like him.


Correction - Knitter transferred in Sept. 2002. Sat out a year.

2 transfers, 15 years
Andy

Lafalum wrote:
I think what has happened is that Men's BBall originally had 12 scholarships. They have lost players before graduating and the scholarships have not been replaced. He continues to get three per year.


OK, Laf, then PR is wrong.  He says 11 funded by LC budget.  The original announcement had us 3 per year up to 12.
Andy

bison137 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
I think what has happened is that Men's BBall originally had 12 scholarships. They have lost players before graduating and the scholarships have not been replaced. He continues to get three per year.


That may be correct, but somehow he had 13 two years ago.   I only the problem isn't the number of scholarships or funding in general, but rather how FOH has used them.


13 is doubtful.  AF's scholarship status has been a matter of conjecture on this board.

Funding less than the rest of the league is a huge problem.  Can't deny that Fran's recruiting has been the subject of criticism on our board for quite awhile.
NewXbo

It was a great name last night, led from the opening tipoff until the final buzzer. Even the officiating was good. The team is coming together, freshmen getting lots of playing time and improving with each game. Sunday will be a challenge.

It's a young team, we are certainly not going to sweep the league but we will be competitive in most of the games. Once again O'Hanlon is building a team capable of winning the league in the next couple of years. Solid PG coming in next year and another big man ready to play.

What amazes me is that so many posters claim to be Lafayette grads sit at home watching the games yet post negative comments even when the teams win.
Kpard

NewXbo wrote:
It was a great name last night, led from the opening tipoff until the final buzzer. Even the officiating was good. The team is coming together, freshmen getting lots of playing time and improving with each game. Sunday will be a challenge.

It's a young team, we are certainly not going to sweep the league but we will be competitive in most of the games. Once again O'Hanlon is building a team capable of winning the league in the next couple of years. Solid PG coming in next year and another big man ready to play.

What amazes me is that so many posters claim to be Lafayette grads sit at home watching the games yet post negative comments even when the teams win.


Agree X and thanks. I think the Janacek 3 late in the game when we needed a score was a great sign. First that he hit it and also that Lindner had the confidence to give him the look. Stroking FTs again also helps.
There seemed to be a more aggressive approach at both ends of the floor. 2 players fouled out, but, that's OK. Showed effort.
adcs2

Bison137 is right, we Pards had 13 scholarships as recently as 2015:

(Stafford, Ptasinski, Lindner, Hinrichs, Klinewski, Scott, Trist, Rufer,  Flannigan, Hoffman,  Boykins, Freeland and Musters)

What started happening then was the one player a year defection for the last three years: Hoffman (2015), Barlow (2016) and Dunkum (2017).

I don't think the program has been permitted to replace those schollies until that class has matriculated.  That leaves us with the current predicament of 10 scholarship players (nine healthy).

Fran has been doing a good job under the circumstances. One can only wonder what our status would be in the league this season had Hoffman stayed and Monty been healthy.
Andy

adcs2 wrote:
Bison137 is right, we Pards had 13 scholarships as recently as 2015:

(Stafford, Ptasinski, Lindner, Hinrichs, Klinewski, Scott, Trist, Rufer,  Flannigan, Hoffman,  Boykins, Freeland and Musters)

What started happening then was the one player a year defection for the last three years: Hoffman (2015), Barlow (2016) and Dunkum (2017).

I don't think the program has been permitted to replace those schollies until that class has matriculated.  That leaves us with the current predicament of 10 scholarship players (nine healthy).

Fran has been doing a good job under the circumstances. One can only wonder what our status would be in the league this season had Hoffman stayed and Monty been healthy.


LC is a 12 scholarship program. Whether 11 or all 12 are funded via the budget is open to question(only because PR reported it). Why shouldn't it be 13 like the rest of the PL?  If 2014-2015 roster included 13 scholarship players, it is an aberration. Every other season from 2010 on has been 12.
Kpard

Andy wrote:
adcs2 wrote:
Bison137 is right, we Pards had 13 scholarships as recently as 2015:

(Stafford, Ptasinski, Lindner, Hinrichs, Klinewski, Scott, Trist, Rufer,  Flannigan, Hoffman,  Boykins, Freeland and Musters)

What started happening then was the one player a year defection for the last three years: Hoffman (2015), Barlow (2016) and Dunkum (2017).

I don't think the program has been permitted to replace those schollies until that class has matriculated.  That leaves us with the current predicament of 10 scholarship players (nine healthy).

Fran has been doing a good job under the circumstances. One can only wonder what our status would be in the league this season had Hoffman
stayed and Monty been healthy.


LC is a 12 scholarship program. Whether 11 or all 12 are funded via the budget is open to question(only because PR reported it). Why shouldn't it be 13 like the rest of the PL?  If 2014-2015 roster included 13 scholarship players, it is an aberration. Every other season from 2010 on has been 12.


And no Marques scholars there either?
Marooner

leopard88 wrote:
Loyola beats Lehigh in Bethlehem.


Speaking of this game, Lehigh's Matt Holba got absolutely roasted by Walker on the game-winner.

Highlight is at the bottom of Loyola's game recap: http://www.loyolagreyhounds.com/n...-as-hounds-down-lehigh-01-05-2017

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