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Bogus Megapardus

at Fairfield

Tuesday, March 12 at 3:00 PM

Fairfield is 6-0 and is ranked #12 by LaxPower and #13 in the Coaches' Poll and by InsideLacrosse:

STONY BROOK  W, 13-10
BRYANT  W, 9-8 (2OT)
at Hofstra  W, 10-9 (3OT)
at UMBC  W, 10-9 (OT)
at Quinnipiac  W, 9-6
at Vermont   W, 14-7

The Pards will be Fairfield's first home game after a 4 game road series.

At present, the Patriot League has three teams in the top 20 - Lehigh, Colgate and Bucknell.
PardsLax

When the year started, there was only one team on the Pard's schedule ranked in the top 20 coaches' poll.  Now there are four with Bucknell and Marist also receiving votes!  Baptism by fire.
Bogus Megapardus

One of the early highlights of the Pards' 2009-10 season was an unexpected win over Fairfield.  Fairfield now is in a position somewhat similar to where the Pards were later that year.

Fairfield is a scholarship team.  Lacrosse is Fairfield's premiere team sport (aside from basketball; Fairfield dropped varsity ice hockey and football).  Can the Pards show some huevos and pull this one off?  The odds say no.  A fan says . . . hmm . . . we'll see.
PardsLax

From Fairfield's website:

"Michael Roe had a big day in the Stags win over Vermont Sunday and earned his second ECAC Specialist of the Week award as a result.  He went a career-best 20-23 at the face-off X, helping result in a pair of goals that were spread by seven seconds or less.  The sophomore transfer also picked a career-best 11 ground balls.  He has now won 71 face-offs this season and his .664 winning percentage is good for third in the nation."
seenalot

That does not bode well for us....giving up possessions is enough of a problem already.  Running into a hot face-off guy does not help.

Question for those who have seen a few games - is Zawadaki (sp?) a pure FOGO or is he in the mid-field rotation beyond.
Bogus Megapardus

Fairfield is .642 on FO and .854 on clears for the season, to date.  Lafayette is .462 on FO and .792 on clears for the season, to date.  Even with the "conservative" approach we fail to clear almost a quarter of the time.

I haven't seen Zawadzki (#20) in the rotation except on FO, but that doesn't mean he hasn't been out there.  His stats for the season show one shot taken.  He actually leads the team in ground balls (which you would expect) with 18.  He has 4 turnovers and 2 caused turnovers.  He's 35-65 on faceoffs.
Bogus Megapardus

We're down 4-1 at the start of the 2nd.  Jake Hyatt is in goal.
seenalot

Down 12-5 midway through the 3rd.   Hard to make complete sense of the stats from a gametracker view but looks like same old same old.

Looks like the mid-game goalie swap has become the new trend for Terry.  Not sure I agree as it gives no confidence to either, but it was his position so I defer on that one.
Bogus Megapardus

Getting hammered by a superior coach (Andy Copelan) and a program that has only been around since 1993.  I note that Fairfield has a full-fledged, 61 full color media guide for lacrosse.  We used to publish a media guide, but we don't bother any longer.  Maybe that's Lafayette's way of telling everyone that it doesn't give a rats ass about men's lacrosse.

Copeland, BTW, played at Bucknell and was all-PL and all-academic.  He had prior DI head coaching experience (Marist) before going to Fairfield.

It's now 14-8 in the 4th period at Fairfield.  This is really embarrassing.  Perhaps carney2 will get his wish.
Bogus Megapardus

15-9 final.  Misery.
seenalot

Agreed and again from the stat sheet looks like we got 1/3 of the faceoffs and about the same success on ground balls - although it seems Mann took more FOs and had some success as game moved on.

Good to see the frosh contributing, but still wonder if Terry's the right coach for this team, and can he adapt his "style" to a) the players he has and b) what the other team gives us.

No fun.
Bogus Megapardus

seenalot wrote:
Agreed and again from the stat sheet looks like we got 1/3 of the faceoffs and about the same success on ground balls - although it seems Mann took more FOs and had some success as game moved on.

Good to see the frosh contributing, but still wonder if Terry's the right coach for this team, and can he adapt his "style" to a) the players he has and b) what the other team gives us.

No fun.


I like Coach Mangan - he's a great guy and he seems like a good motivator.  That said, he's had just one winning season, I think.  A Lafayette coach ought to be a pedigreed, former Division I player, former team captain and strategist from a name brand academic lax power (i.e. Hopkins, Princeton, Cornell, Duke, Syracuse); someone who can take advantage of the unbelievable opportunity that Lafayette lacrosse presents.

Lafayette is in a prime, growing lacrosse location; it has a hundred-year history in the game and it's a member of an AQ conference.  It has good alumni support and fans DO come to the games.  The right guy could do amazing things with this program.  Pretty soon, Lehigh, Bucknell and Colgate are going to make us look like laughing stocks if something is not done - not to mention Army and Navy.
PardsLax

And Holy Cross at this rate...
seenalot

I like Terry too - just wondering if he's the right guy.
RichH

A somewhat unbiased view. Style he uses I think necessary as IMHO LC lacks enuf good players. Pards seem to have fallen way behind BU, lehigh and  Gate in recruiting top players. From what I can see he is not a bad coach.Can he recruit? Does he have $$$$ to recruit?
Bogus Megapardus

Rich - they're coming from all the right high schools.  From the games I've seen in person this year, there is definitely talent out there.  Some of the new kids still are adjusting to the speed of DI lax.  Interestingly, I watched a game the other day between a couple of top 30 DIII schools.  Plenty of skill and some very slick moves but man, it's S-L-O-W compared to how the PL and the rest of DI plays.

The Pards need to establish a name and get some interest in the program.  Not only do the kids have to be interested in the coach, but their parents must be impressed as well.  Mom and Dad are shelling out buckos for young Zack or Justin to ride the Pardsville express.  Our coach must reflect the sophistication and pedigree of the college itself.  

It's a buyer's market for lax coaches.  There are plenty of household names out there who could really do amazing things with the Pards.  Lehigh managed to get one.  I just wish I knew what our problem was.
RichH

Only saw you guys once so far. LU and BU 2x. Pards seem very tentative ,you would kow better than I about speed but I did not see any. Offense not terrible , could be better.ground balls  ?????. D needs work.

I think PL can be a top LAX conference. We are close now. Rooting for all of us ( well at least for OOC games Wink ).
Bogus Megapardus

RichH wrote:

I think PL can be a top LAX conference. We are close now. Rooting for all of us ( well at least for OOC games Wink ).


PL already is a top lax conference.  Always room for improvement.
RichH

Smile   Well, I think we are closer . Depth of good teams in PL better. Navy a bit down this year but Gate , Bu , Army and LU all good. Pards a bit of a mystery as I thought preseason they would be better.
The Maroon

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
seenalot wrote:
Agreed and again from the stat sheet looks like we got 1/3 of the faceoffs and about the same success on ground balls - although it seems Mann took more FOs and had some success as game moved on.

Good to see the frosh contributing, but still wonder if Terry's the right coach for this team, and can he adapt his "style" to a) the players he has and b) what the other team gives us.

No fun.


I like Coach Mangan - he's a great guy and he seems like a good motivator.  That said, he's had just one winning season, I think.  A Lafayette coach ought to be a pedigreed, former Division I player, former team captain and strategist from a name brand academic lax power (i.e. Hopkins, Princeton, Cornell, Duke, Syracuse); someone who can take advantage of the unbelievable opportunity that Lafayette lacrosse presents.

Lafayette is in a prime, growing lacrosse location; it has a hundred-year history in the game and it's a member of an AQ conference.  It has good alumni support and fans DO come to the games.  The right guy could do amazing things with this program.  Pretty soon, Lehigh, Bucknell and Colgate are going to make us look like laughing stocks if something is not done - not to mention Army and Navy.


At this point it seems obvious he's not going to win much in Easton with the hand he's been dealt. I  honestly don't know enough about the sport or the situation to assess his capability. It may well be funding, interest, whatever.  I'm willing to bet he's a good coach - the problem is we need examplary superstar coaches to get it done.
Bogey - I have heard the "we should be a great lacrosse school" mantra for over 20 years now. During that period we have - I believe - two winning seasons. When Bill Lawson retired (who I will admit I blamed for Lafayette's lame Lax record in the 80's and 90's) he indicated that the school basically didn't care about Lax. He didn't say it that way - he was the positive and cheerful man he has always been - but to me the message was clear. And frankly time seems to have vindicated his record.

I mean seriously - what's Mangan's overall record? He's 4 and 16 since the beginning of last season. I doubt his winning percentage is much better than Tammy's and we all agreed it was time for her to go.

Mangan may be good enough to win plenty of other places - but he's not good enough to win in Easton.  That's not an indictment of him as much as it is one of the school.
PardsLax

I guess it goes without saying that there are some real systemic issues that need to be addressed.  Change is not going to come from the coaching staff or the administration.  It's going to be on the guys as individuals and as a team to decide they can be better and do everything they can to achieve that.  I'm not saying they bear sole responsible for how things have been going at all but they aren't going to get much help from anyone but themselves.  There is talent on this team but the culture of losing can be hard to overcome.
knowitall2b

Still feel the same today as I did on Sunday... Division III is the answer.  Funding, academic requirements and lack of support are huge issues, so why continue at this level.. Just saying.  Go ahead Bogus, close this thread too...
Franks Tanks

knowitall2b wrote:
Still feel the same today as I did on Sunday... Division III is the answer.  Funding, academic requirements and lack of support are huge issues, so why continue at this level.. Just saying.  Go ahead Bogus, close this thread too...


I would rather continue on with 14 D-I sports instead of D-III.  I would rather drop football than see the athletic department move to D-III. We are not Muhelenberg or Dickinson.

We don't have a tremendous athletic budget, but it is large enough to produce a quality athletic program within the framework of the Patriot League.  We need to be better in several sports, but D-III is not the answer.
pards123

One of the major reasons I went to Lafayette was specifically because it is Division I.  I had the opportunity to go to a "better" larger school, but opted to go to Lafayette to play a Division I sport.  If Lafayette were DIII, I would never have even looked at it.  If Lafayette moves to DIII, I will drop any support I have for their programs and I believe a lot of alums feel the same way.
Bogus Megapardus

I think that the DIII talk is really a non-starter, knowitall2b.  Division I sports are one of the principal ways in which Lafayette differentiates itself from dozens of other northeastern colleges.  To his credit our president, Dan Weiss, has expressed this (in so many words) on more than one occasion.  For 150 years Lafayette has competed with the most talented athletic and academic collegians in the nation. That's not going to change.

Does that mean that Lafayette attracts a bunch of over-achievers, given its small size and academic bent?  Maybe so.  But that's who we are.

Tanks, PardsLax, Maroon, Rich, seenalot - trust me, we have Division I talent on the present roster.  We're a little too small on D and our FOGO needs the burst and reaction time of a good defensive end (actually we need two of them - to compete in practice and make each other better).  Our clears have to show precision, accuracy and confidence, as well as multiple schemes that can be called out and executed flawlessly on the fly.  We could use a bit more athleticism on the second Middie line and a couple of those Middies (they know who they are) are killing us with the turnovers.

Our goalies are competent and they will improve with experience.  Our attack is seasoned and much better than I expected they would be.  Our offensive set moves very well and, creates some nice opportunities with their movement away from the ball, and they have, in general, powerful and accurate shooting.

Coach Lawson was a fixture, of course.  He was highly respected around the NCAA.  He loved the game, and he was a true and true Pard who was respected by the athletic department and in general.  He didn't see much success, but he worked enthusiastically with what the college gave him.

Coach Mangan came in with a mandate, I assume, to "give the student-athletes an opportunity to compete for a Patriot League title at least once during their four years at Lafayette."  At the outset he probably had the chance to do that, but PL lacrosse has grown and improved immeasurably in the last decade.  With Navy and Army fully in the lax fold, with the talent already in place at Colgate and Bucknell, and now with Lehigh's push and the hiring of Cassese, we're headed to the bottom of the barrel again as a program unless we keep pace.

I doubt Terry Mangan is allowed much to offer in the way of equivalency grants.  And I doubt that will change.  But in order to do the very best we can with the noble souls who choose Lafayette, we need to provide coaching brilliance in the same way that we offer academic brilliance in the classroom.  Lafayette students are not taught by graduate students or teaching assistants.  They are taught by the very best qualified professors in the nation.  Our student-athletes deserve no less on the field.

Scholarships or not, if Lafayette holds its coaches to the same standards as its professors, we can excel in lacrosse.  And that's what ought to set us apart, folks.  Why can't we have properly paid, fully staffed coaches on the sidelines who are held accountable by an athletic administration that knows the sport inside and out?  Why should Lafayette's academic faculty demand any less for their students?
Bogus Megapardus

pards123 wrote:
One of the major reasons I went to Lafayette was specifically because it is Division I.  I had the opportunity to go to a "better" larger school, but opted to go to Lafayette to play a Division I sport.  If Lafayette were DIII, I would never have even looked at it.  If Lafayette moves to DIII, I will drop any support I have for their programs and I believe a lot of alums feel the same way.


I'm with you, 123.  I turned down two Ivies plus Lehigh (safety school, of course) to come to Pardsville.  I'd do it again in a heartbeat.  I know for a fact I'm not alone. I want Lafayette to keep showing all of us why we made the correct choice.
knowitall2b

In the last two years, in all sport programs, with the exception of cross country, tennis, swimming and track, the teams have lost approximatley 60% of their games.  Aren't athletes competitors?  Don't they like to win? Aren't coaches competitors? Don't they like to win? Or doesn't it really matter ? If it really doesn't matter stop pointing fingers at coaches. Yes, the athletes that go to Lafayette get a great education, that's a given, but I would have thought winning and competing for championships would be as important.  If Lafayette's budget is large enough to produce teams that can compete in the Patriot League, then why cant they?  Or is a .500 winning percenatge good enough?
Lost Again

Quote:
In the last two years, in all sport programs, with the exception of cross country, tennis, swimming and track, the teams have lost approximatley 60% of their games.


I was really thinking "why bother"..........

Knowitall2b, you must be either cherry picking the sports you're aggregating or totaling the won/loss records across a bunch of sports.

If it is the former, you somehow managed to miss the men's soccer program over the last 2 years, 17-12-7 overall, 6-5-3 PL; women's soccer program 15-14-6 overall, 5-5-5 PL; and the field hockey team at 20-19 overall, 8-2 PL including the 2011 PL Championship.

If it is the latter, you have tried to equate each game in a 60 game baseball season with each game in a football season.  By this logic, a 20-40 baseball season would wipe out a undefeated, National Championship FCS season.
edmc2416

know-it-all = know nothing (said with all due respect, of course).

LC goes D111 - then I will have nothing to do with the college for the rest of my life.  D-1 is why I went there (3rd generation LC guy).

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