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Bogus Megapardus

at Holy Cross

Lacrosse at Holy Cross - Saturday, April 7 at 4:00 PM

Holy Cross:

at St. John's (5-4) L 7 – 17
at Hartford (3-7) W 15 – 14 (OT)
Harvard (5-4) L 9 – 14
at Jacksonville (4-6) W 13 – 11
vs Mercer (1-10) W 12 – 6
#17 Colgate (8-2) L 9 – 13
Vermont (1-Cool W 9 – 8
at Navy (5-4) L 7 – 13
at #7 Lehigh (10-1) L3 – 12
#15 Bucknell (8-3) L 9 – 10

HC nearly beat Bucknell in Worcester.  On parchment, HC beats the Pards by 3 (including home advantage).  In reality, it might not be that close.  The only only saving grace might be that HC hasn't been an extremely high scoring team this season.  Lafayette has been even worse offensively, but maybe something in the springtime New England air will give us a lift.

Our final two games will be Colgate and Lehigh. Pards have about as much of a chance of beating either as a Lehigh sophomore has of finding his way to his honors lawn mower maintenance seminar.  So now would be a fine time to pull one out of your rib guards and try to save the coach's job, fellas.
PardsLax

HC does have a potent goal scorer in James Kennedy (18gs, 16as, All-America and NJ state attackman of the year at Summit which won the state championship; Tewaaraton Award Watch List this year).  If the HC website is correct, he does turn the ball over a lot (36 TOs).  John Hannan also has 18 goals so they have a couple of offensive weapons.  Our offense is going to need to play smart, aggressive ball to have any kind of chance.
Bogus Megapardus

PardsLax wrote:
HC does have a potent goal scorer in James Kennedy (18gs, 16as, All-America and NJ state attackman of the year at Summit which won the state championship; Tewaaraton Award Watch List this year).  If the HC website is correct, he does turn the ball over a lot (36 TOs).  John Hannan also has 18 goals so they have a couple of offensive weapons.  Our offense is going to need to play smart, aggressive ball to have any kind of chance.


I remember watching that 2009 Summit H.S. team play at Mendham and totally cleaning up.  Summit clobbered all the best NJ schools that year (Delbarton, Mt. Lakes, Chatham).  It was an incredible team.

The question becomes, can our staff implement a scheme sufficient to take Kennedy out of the game while still protecting the crease?  Do we even HAVE defensive schemes?
CHC8485

Bogus Megapardus wrote:


It was an inedible team.



Well .... in polite society anyway!   Laughing  Wink
Bogus Megapardus

CHC8485 wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:


It was an inedible team.



Well .... in polite society anyway!   Laughing  Wink


Score one for the Purple People Eaters.  That would have been a pretty funny typo if only our team didn't stink so bad. I have a hard time finding amusement with anything having to do with Lafayette lacrosse these days.

One or two of my relatives in Woo will be at the game tomorrow.  I'd actually like to take the trip myself but my desk is far too cluttered.  The silver lining is that the Patriot League, deservedly, is finding its footing as a major national player in lacrosse.  Ten years ago folks would have snickered at the suggestion that Army or Navy would not be at the top of the PL standings, or that the PL would regularly have 3-4 teams in the top 20.
laxer4life

Re: at Holy Cross

So now would be a fine time to pull one out of your rib guards and try to save the coach's job, fellas.[/quote]




SAVE THE COACHES JOB?.   Didn't someone call for his immediate firing or resignation after Bucknell.  I think its time, don't wait till the end of the season, give the team some hope for next year.
With Mangan around a win is not foreseeable but the Easter Bunny does come once a year and may he bring you many eggs.

98 LOSES IS ENOUGH !  OH THE HUMANITY

It's burst into flames! It burst into flames, and it's falling, it's crashing! Watch it! Watch it! Get out of the way! Get out of the way! Get this, Charlie; get this, Charlie! It's fire—and it's crashing! It's crashing terrible! Oh, my! Get out of the way, please! It's burning and bursting into flames; and the—and it's falling on the mooring-mast. And all the between.

This is terrible; this is the worst of the worst catastrophes in the world. "Oh my Jesus!" its flames... Crashing, oh! Four- or five-hundred feet into the sky and it—it's a terrific crash, ladies and gentlemen. It's smoke, and it's frame's down; and the frame is crashing to the ground, not quite to the mooring-mast
Herbert Morrison
Bogus Megapardus

Live stats for today's game at Holy Cross:

http://livestats.prestosports.com/holycross/mlax/?e=h554kzg6lcj7s0ze

Pards up 1-0 on an early goal by Middie Bob FitzPatrick.
Bogus Megapardus

Heffernan put in a second.  Pards up 2-0
Bogus Megapardus

James Kennedy scores for HC.  Are we defending him?  

HC is winning the faceoffs.

2-1 Pards 7:00 left in the first.
Bogus Megapardus

Pards up 4-3 at the half.  We need those faceoffs, gentlemen.  Now would be a good time.
Bogus Megapardus

6-3 Pards at the end of the third.  Will they pull it off, or will they tank?
Bogus Megapardus

7-3 Pards with 8:00 left in the game.  Do you believe in miracles?
Bogus Megapardus

At 4:18 HC and Lafayette both get a player sent off for unsportsmanlike conduct.  Wonder what that was all about?
Bogus Megapardus

Elsewhere, Colgate beats Lehigh 11-10 in overtime.
PardsLax

And Army nipped Bucknell 6-5 in 2OT.
Bogus Megapardus

Pards win the game, 8-4.
PardsLax

Wow!  Definitely a pleasant surprise.  At least the guys have one more win than last season and stopped the losing streak at 7.  The D must have played well today.
edmc2416

Good to see a win up in Crusader Land, and a League win at that.

A pleasant bus ride home for the team.

I'm in complete agreement with the guys on the board: this is a sport that should be a really good one for LC.  Let's see if the school can be persuaded to fix it (Carney notwithstanding!!).  The Lax alums need to shout it out loud and clear: "Bruce, we want a winner. "
Bogus Megapardus

From a poster on the LaxPower forum, concerning Lafayette lacrosse, referring to another poster's outlook on upcoming recruits -

RECRUITS? RECRUITS? You have more talent on your team than any team you played this year, why bring in any more to be subject to the awful coaching at Lafayette. It's time for Mangan to go. You shouldn't be asking who's coming in, but when is Mangan going out. I think the sooner the better.

Amongst the dwindling reasons why anyone would want to attend Lafayette these days, Coach Mangan does not seem to be high on the list.
edmc2416

A brutal assessment of the coach.  If the players were to speak candidly, I wonder if they would agree.
seenalot

Hard to sort out the words of disappointed parents during the season - but the word last year was that Terry lost the team.  If thats true or more to the point if its true again this year then the answer is self evident.  Unfortunately, that decision falls to Bruce in the end, and Bruce making the hard calls simply does not leave me confident.
bison137

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
From a poster on the LaxPower forum, concerning Lafayette lacrosse, referring to another poster's outlook on upcoming recruits -

[i]RECRUITS? RECRUITS? You have more talent on your team than any team you played this year, why bring in any more to be subject to the awful coaching at Lafayette.




That comment obviously came from someone who hates Mangan and also knows nothing at all about lacrosse or the personnel of the various teams.
Bogus Megapardus

bison137 wrote:

That comment obviously came from someone who hates Mangan and also knows nothing at all about lacrosse or the personnel of the various teams.


The "more talent" remark obviously is hyperbole.  Nevertheless, I do believe that Lafayette's roster, top to bottom, contains substantially more talent than the team's on-field play would suggest.

Personally, I like Terry Mangan from what I know of him.  I believe that he recruits hard and that he's dedicated to the game.  I don't know anything about his relationship with the team.  But I've seen plenty of the hair-pulling, monumentally frustrating product he puts on the field.  I'm beginning to think that other teams actually laugh at us at times.  And Mangan's 10-year W/L record speaks for itself
The Maroon

I'm sure Mangan's one hell of a guy. I know enough coaches to know that every once in a while you do "lose" a team and the results are disastrous. Good coaches can recover, but generally a season is lost when that happens.

One thing about this board is I think we're pretty darn reasonable in our expectations. When they were calling for Lembo's head in Bethlehem for only winning 8 or so games/year I wanted to heave. However they seemed to know the program could go higher - and the perspective of time has proven them right.

We know our ceiling is sadly limited. We aren't even thinking about winning the league. Mangan's largely gotten a pass. But again, except for a 3 week stint a couple of years ago this program has been dismal. That was our "hey day" - a fourth seed in the tournament.

Tammy Smith being asked to leave a no-brainer. This might be an even larger one.
fairweather

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know whether Bill Lawson retired or was fired?  I assume he retired as he was around for 31 seasons and didn't have a great record either - although there was the golden age of Lafayette men's lacrosse between the late 70's and mid 80's.
knowitall2b

Maroon,
You honestly think this hire for WBB is any better?  Don't count on it.. I don't see it t all.......
knowitall2b

Maroon,
You honestly think this hire for WBB is any better?  Don't count on it.. I don't see it t all.......
laxer4life

Coach Bill Lawson retired in 2002 after 31 years.  He compiled a record of 153-239, He was the winningest coaches in Lafayette history and in 2000 he received the Howdy Myers Man of the Year Award and in 2002 he was inducted into the Pennsylvania Lacrosse Hall of Fame.

He resides on College Hill with his wife and they always made the players feel as family.  The thing I remember most, was Mrs Lawson's cookies and brownies.

Coach Lawson is one of the most respected lacrosse coaches in the nation.  In 2007 he returned to Lafayette as a volunteer assistant until he was let go by Mangan after the 2010 season.

Coach Lawson has spent the last two seasons as an assistant coach at DeSales University, he still has the coaching bug.
PardsLax

That's really too bad about Mangan letting him go.  Seemed like he was a really good influence on the boys even when he wasn't the head coach.  Wonder why Mangan made that decision.
seenalot

Having an ex-coach, like an ex-boss "around" on a daily basis is often not a great thing and can be devisive.   Bill was/is a wonderful person and if he still wants his hand in coaching great, but IMHO not p/t at LC.
Bogus Megapardus

seenalot wrote:
Having an ex-coach, like an ex-boss "around" on a daily basis is often not a great thing and can be devisive.   Bill was/is a wonderful person and if he still wants his hand in coaching great, but IMHO not p/t at LC.


Leone doesn't hover around the locker room commenting on O'Hanlon's game plan, I hope.
The Maroon

knowitall2b wrote:
Maroon,
You honestly think this hire for WBB is any better?  Don't count on it.. I don't see it t all.......


The Diane Nolan discussion is for another thread. My point was and is - none of us, NOBODY was making a case that Tammy should stay. I certainly wasn't. You want to talk about Nolan - it's a discussion we can start in November.

Back to the issue of this thread: Mangan. His career record (if I'm getting it right) is 32-98 - just below 25%.'

This isn't a rebuilding process, this is a decade of futility. If there's any accountability in winning - Mangan has to go. People wouldn't let me coach Little League if I did that bad for that long. This is...DIVISION I!

I found the reading that Bogey posted in the Everything Else" thread on Eve's court case fascinating. Kissiah actually had the nerve to pelt her with noting our teams don't win much.

Heck, I'm starting to look at Eve's tenure as the heyday.
Bogus Megapardus

If you take Eve Atkinson's court statements at face value, one of the proposals during the Rothkopf regime was to cut both both baseball and men's lacrosse.  That would have gutted men's athletics at Lafayette, for all intents and purposes.

Say what you will about wrestling and the lack of ice hockey on College Hill, but elimination of lacrosse and baseball would have been disastrous.  The college wisely decided to retain both sports with its renewed commitment to Division I.  And say what you will about Dan Weiss, but his commitment to Division I at Lafayette and membership in the Patriot League is on record and non-negotiable.  I admire him a great deal for that.

Lacrosse at Lafayette should be so easy.  We're in a perfect location adjacent to suburban Philly and western New Jersey.  That's where some of the nation's very best lacrosse players come from.  Anyone doing a cost-benefit analysis would realize that comparatively little effort could yield a treasure trove of talent.  There are thousands of kids playing H.S. lacrosse but only 61 Division I schools.  Many top kids are opting instead for solid Division III schools with established programs and "name" coaches.

Lehigh hired an incredible coach.  So did Bryant.  Colgate lost Jim Nagle to Stony Brook.  Denver pulled the legendary Bill Tierney from Princeton.  Why didn't we hire him?

If we're not going to provide lax scholarships, we need to have the very, very best coach available - someone whom the H.S. players recognize (believe me, they're all fanatics), whom the parents trust, and whose background fits within the unique presence of Lafayette Athletics.

I would like to have had Mangan be the guy.  Believe me, I would.  But his on-field success, and the increasing distance between us and our PL peers, indicates that a move has to be made now.

The recruiting season is over and all the kids are committed for 2013.  Any new hire will have to have 3-4 years to make an impact.  But we're bleeding to death here.  Just take the one scholarship that we're not giving to lacrosse and add it to a new coach's salary, and we could establish one of the the premiere programs in the nation.
bison137

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
 Denver pulled the legendary Bill Tierney from Princeton.  Why didn't we hire him?




Maybe because Denver is paying him total compensation of about $250,000 a year.  Plus a chance to coach with his son.   Plus a lot of scholarships.   Plus lower academic standards for recruits.  Plus a great lax-only stadium.
fairweather

Maybe this is the kind of guy we should be pursuing:  

http://athletics.aurora.edu/coaches.aspx?rc=209&path=mens_lacrosse

Young, great lax pedigree, some head coaching experience, hungry.
Bogus Megapardus

fairweather wrote:
Maybe this is the kind of guy we should be pursuing:  

http://athletics.aurora.edu/coaches.aspx?rc=209&path=mens_lacrosse

Young, great lax pedigree, some head coaching experience, hungry.



Ummm . . . never heard of the place.  Salisbury is a great lax school but there's a reason their players didn't go to a DI school.  I want a guy with a true DI pedigree.

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