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BPard

Athletics Organization Structure and Institutional Support

There have been lots of comments about the org structure of athletics and support from the Institution.

So I did some digging. Turns out, not every Patriot League besides us has the AD reporting directly to the President.

Looks like Lehigh, Holy Cross, Bucknell, Holy Cross, American, Army West Point all do have AD reporting directly to the President although most have some version of a Cabinet and a larger council with some schools placing AD in the Cabinet and some placing it in the larger, less frequently reporting Council. They all have different names for these bodies by the org structure is very similar. Some also have Board oversight of athletics directly.

Boston University's AD reports to their Senior Counsel, who reports to the President.

http://www.bu.edu/info/about/admin/svp-gen-counsel/
http://www.bu.edu/info/about/admin/

Loyola has an interim President and it looks like the Executive VP (Susan Donovan, who is interim) typically has Athletics as the Exec VP rather than directly to the President.

http://www.loyolagreyhounds.com/staffdir/locl-staffdir.html

Queue the people who say that Boston and Loyola are not real Patriot League schools anyways...but that is still 2 of 9 other PL schools that don't have direct reports AD.

Navy has a legally separate 501c athletic dept (apparently the NAAA?) who's governing board chair is a Commandant, not the Superintendent (equivalent University President). The AD is a member of that Board, but not the chair. So 3 of 9 other PL schools, assuming I'm interpreting Navy's docs correctly.

And then there's Lafayette. With an AD who according to our website, reports to nobody and doesn't fit anywhere into the organizational structure of the College.

You have to go to the statutes, which indicate that the Trustee Committee on Student Life is responsible for athletics. Unfortunately, the AD is not a member of the committee, nor is he listed as an invited attendee.

Look, if the student-athletes REALLY cared about this and wanted it to change, they would exercise their voice and petition via StuGov to have the College's org structure changed.

One benefit of being a small College is 23 D1 sports is that a very, very high percentage of students are actually student-athletes. And students are part of the governance structure of the entire College. If student-athletes got their shit together, they could change the AD's role.

That is a very big IF because it would necessitate them getting off their asses, agreeing on what change to request, and organizing themselves. Tough row to hoe after classes and athletics.

Either way, stop saying every PL school has AD reporting directly to President but us. It is isn't true.
Lafalum

So 6 out of 9 report to the president. Navy has a 501 3 c organization separate from the taxpayer supported school. And lafayette is an organizational cloud. ( I actually believe he is an invited member of the Student Life Committee as is his boss the Vice President of Student Life Annette D'orio). The Student Life Committee of the Board for all practical purposes has no day to day responsibility but reports to the full board. The VP for student life reports the president.
BPard

Lafalum wrote:
So 6 out of 9 report to the president. Navy has a 501 3 c organization separate from the taxpayer supported school. And lafayette is an organizational cloud. ( I actually believe he is an invited member of the Student Life Committee as is his boss the Vice President of Student Life Annette D'orio). The Student Life Committee of the Board for all practical purposes has no day to day responsibility but reports to the full board. The VP for student life reports the president.

AD was invited before the Board restructuring. Not shown that way now.

Either way, the fact that 5 mins on any PL school site shows the org structure (including interim Admins!) except for Lafayette says something.
Lafalum

BPard wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
So 6 out of 9 report to the president. Navy has a 501 3 c organization separate from the taxpayer supported school. And lafayette is an organizational cloud. ( I actually believe he is an invited member of the Student Life Committee as is his boss the Vice President of Student Life Annette D'orio). The Student Life Committee of the Board for all practical purposes has no day to day responsibility but reports to the full board. The VP for student life reports the president.

AD was invited before the Board restructuring. Not shown that way now.

Either way, the fact that 5 mins on any PL school site shows the org structure (including interim Admins!) except for Lafayette says something.


Wow its worse than I thought. I knew he was invited before now he is not even invited to the Committee under the new structure. I see William Rutledge emeritus member of the BOt as an invited member. Rutledge along with Rothkopf fought tooth and nail against scholarships and now he reappears on this committee and the AD is outside the room hoping for a call!!  Outrageous.
Franks Tanks

Did anyone watch the web chat with the Prez tonight?  I saw that it was conducted by Leone and turned it off.  I like Leone very much, but he is a hype man for the college, and didn't expect any real questions to get through.
BPard

Franks Tanks wrote:
Did anyone watch the web chat with the Prez tonight?  I saw that it was conducted by Leone and turned it off.  I like Leone very much, but he is a hype man for the college, and didn't expect any real questions to get through.

I watched. Questions could've been public if posted to Twitter.

News to me were the working group evaluating what size the school should expand to, the new placement of the life sciences building (next to Acopian), the relocation of both plant ops and public safety to a rehabbed industrial site (i think at bottom of hill).

Rest were not news to me, but I follow stuff closely. She also covered the expansion of fraternities, Connected Communities, alumni education, donation %, rankings, how financial aid works, praise for rock star faculty, and inviting alumni to see campus for themselves. I while heartedly agree with most of this.
Lafalum

BPard wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Did anyone watch the web chat with the Prez tonight?  I saw that it was conducted by Leone and turned it off.  I like Leone very much, but he is a hype man for the college, and didn't expect any real questions to get through.

I watched. Questions could've been public if posted to Twitter.

News to me were the working group evaluating what size the school should expand to, the new placement of the life sciences building (next to Acopian), the relocation of both plant ops and public safety to a rehabbed industrial site (i think at bottom of hill).

Rest were not news to me, but I follow stuff closely. She also covered the expansion of fraternities, Connected Communities, alumni education, donation %, rankings, how financial aid works, praise for rock star faculty, and inviting alumni to see campus for themselves. I while heartedly agree with most of this.


The working group was put in motion soon after she came here. The rest was interesting. Smart move is making more room at the top of the hill. The donation % thing is a small part of the US News calculations (5 %). Reputation is a huge consideration. I get constantly frustrated with high school students who don't know where we are but can identify Bucknell, Colgate and Lehigh.
I am pleased they are looking strategically at the size issue and her focus is correct ( economies of scale etc).
SixtyEighter

Any questions about sports programs ?
Lafalum

SixtyEighter wrote:
Any questions about sports programs ?


Actually she mentioned it in the context of the excitement surrounding 150 and the men's basketball team. No direct questions. In fact it was hard to tell what questions came from the outside and patter from the hosts.

There was a question on greek life and she reviewed the connected communities and saw the issue as disruptive from her first day.

She called on alumni to be sales people for the college, by wearing their Lafayette gear. but did not make any connection between the athletic program and visibility of the school. I don't think she buys into that, but rather sees memories and reputations of "rock star" professors will do the heavy lifting in name recognition.
LeopardBall10

Lafalum wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
Any questions about sports programs ?


Actually she mentioned it in the context of the excitement surrounding 150 and the men's basketball team. No direct questions. In fact it was hard to tell what questions came from the outside and patter from the hosts.

There was a question on greek life and she reviewed the connected communities and saw the issue as disruptive from her first day.

She called on alumni to be sales people for the college, by wearing their Lafayette gear. but did not make any connection between the athletic program and visibility of the school. I don't think she buys into that, but rather sees memories and reputations of "rock star" professors will do the heavy lifting in name recognition.


All very interesting, I just saw the email about the Q&A this morning (got stuck in my junk mail). Its good that the college has been doing more of these types of things, but would really like to see them take some real questions.

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