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Lafalum

Best of Luck to our field hockey leopards in PL Semis

The leopards will meet the American Eagles at 2pm tomorrow in PL semis! Best of Luck! to a saturday meet for the championship. They have already arrived in Boston. Would be nice to see some alums there!!

They say defense wins championships. It is especially true for us this week end!

They are our only fall team to make it to post season GO PARDS!!
ed65

Yes best of luck to FH.  I truly hope the improvement seen this year carries over to next year.

While defense wins championships, it is required to score or there is a 0-0 tie with PKs deciding the outcome!
Lafalum

Actually the rule has changed it is now a 5 player shootout similar to ice hockey. ( one on one with the goalie)
bison137

Lafalum wrote:
Actually the rule has changed it is now a 5 player shootout similar to ice hockey. ( one on one with the goalie)



Yes, similar to hockey.   Player starts with the ball 23 meters out and has 8 second to try to score.   One difference from hockey is that the attempt does not end if the goalie makes a save or knocks the ball away.   It only ends after 8 seconds or if the ball is knocked out of bounds or if there is a foul.   If a foul on the goalie, then a penalty stroke is taken.

With the length of the OT's and the fact that each team only sends out six field players (plus a goalie), it's not likely you'll be seeing any shootouts.
ed65

Thanks to Lafalum and Bison for the OT Clarification.
bison137

Came close to seeing a shootout in Game 1.   Boston U ended up winning well into the second OT 3-2 over Bucknell.
ed65

A good effort by the team - they scored two goals!  But AU figured it out in the section half.

Good news: the FH Team made the PL Tournament.

Bad news: another LC losing season.
Lafalum

ed65 wrote:
A good effort by the team - they scored two goals!  But AU figured it out in the section half.

Good news: the FH Team made the PL Tournament.

Bad news: another LC losing season.


All true it was a good effort. The tying goal with no time left in the first half on a corner was a killer. The team played hard. Madagan (junior) had a great game and Arnold (junior)  was outstanding with nine saves. Weedling had her best game of the year maybe her career today.

Now off to recruiting trails.
Lafalum

bison137 wrote:
Came close to seeing a shootout in Game 1.   Boston U ended up winning well into the second OT 3-2 over Bucknell.


Great effort by the Bison especially their soph goalie. Tough officiating. One official was overruled three time during the game including a Boston goal. Players   had to be called back to the field. I never seen that ( at least that many times in a single game). Time for instant replay which is now being done in several larger league and all NCAA tournament games.
ed65

Lafalum wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Came close to seeing a shootout in Game 1.   Boston U ended up winning well into the second OT 3-2 over Bucknell.


Great effort by the Bison especially their soph goalie. Tough officiating. One official was overruled three time during the game including a Boston goal. Players   had to be called back to the field. I never seen that ( at least that many times in a single game). Time for instant replay which is now being done in several larger league and all NCAA tournament games.


Once again PL Officiating is questionable.  In spite of Bison's well researched explanation, there is no excuse for the inept officiating in D1.
bison137

If the reffing is as inept as you say it is, it means that there are no good refs in field hockey.  These refs - who are NOT Patriot League refs - are believed to be among the best by the person who is the joint assignor for all the northeastern leagues.  Additionally they have been recommended by the PL coaches - who submit a list of preferred refs and undesirable refs each year.  As was the case of the refs under discussion two weeks ago, the refs in the Bucknell vs Boston U game have beenassigned to games in the Big 10, Ivy, A10, CAA, etc this year.
Lafalum

bison137 wrote:
If the reffing is as inept as you say it is, it means that there are no good refs in field hockey.  These refs - who are NOT Patriot League refs - are believed to be among the best by the person who is the joint assignor for all the northeastern leagues.  Additionally they have been recommended by the PL coaches - who submit a list of preferred refs and undesirable refs each year.  As was the case of the refs under discussion two weeks ago, the refs in the Bucknell vs Boston U game have beenassigned to games in the Big 10, Ivy, A10, CAA, etc this year.


I have had international coaches tell me that exact fact, that American refereeing is a weakness here. The PL has an assigner (even if that person assigns for multiple league} and they are reviewed. I'm just reporting a fact….there were three calls overruled in the Bucknell game…as long observer of Div 1 field hockey that is unusual. It may have occurred because there were three officials, not two as is the usual case. It was the same official that was over ruled in all three cases….. i I have watched hundreds of Div 1 field hockey games and had never seen a ten minute yellow card and in my opinion in the game several weeks ago the alleged foul did not merit it. I thought the refereeing in the BU/Bucknell game was uneven at best. In the case of that game it was goals that were called back. The PL needs to go to instant replay like the Big Ten , ACC, international games, and all NCAA playoff games.
ed65

bison137 wrote:
If the reffing is as inept as you say it is, it means that there are no good refs in field hockey.  These refs - who are NOT Patriot League refs - are believed to be among the best by the person who is the joint assignor for all the northeastern leagues.  Additionally they have been recommended by the PL coaches - who submit a list of preferred refs and undesirable refs each year.  As was the case of the refs under discussion two weeks ago, the refs in the Bucknell vs Boston U game have been assigned to games in the Big 10, Ivy, A10, CAA, etc this year.


Bison: I am simply relying on the eye test and in the case of field hockey on Lafalum's experience.  Once again, I will bring up the baseball umps.  I suggest you meet me at West Point next spring when LC plays there and see what you think of the quality of the umpiring at Doubleday Field.  The umps at West Point seem like they will immediately be sent to the stockade if they make a call against the cadets.

And by the way, I gave you full credit for explaining how the refs and umps are assigned so it was not necessary to repeat it.  I continue to respect and admire your knowledge of the details of the Patriot League.
Interested Pardee

Nevertheless, congratulations to our girls for putting up a fight in the PLT semis.  I know it's not a championship or a winning season, but it is a step up from the previous two years in the midst of improvements on most of the PL teams.  I hope this trend continues and provides momentum for the next season, a long, long nine months away.

As earlier stated, on to recruiting (although, I hear the class of 2020 is complete?).  If I had my wishlist, I'd like to extend our international flavor to some of the FH powerhouses (Netherlands, Argentina, AUS/NZ).  Not that we don't have the homegrown talent, but it's always a benefit to have someone who has been playing since birth as part of the dynamic.  It raises the level of everyone on the team.  

Anyway, I remain encouraged, if not completely satisfied.
bison137

Lafalum wrote:
bison137 wrote:
If the reffing is as inept as you say it is, it means that there are no good refs in field hockey.  These refs - who are NOT Patriot League refs - are believed to be among the best by the person who is the joint assignor for all the northeastern leagues.  Additionally they have been recommended by the PL coaches - who submit a list of preferred refs and undesirable refs each year.  As was the case of the refs under discussion two weeks ago, the refs in the Bucknell vs Boston U game have beenassigned to games in the Big 10, Ivy, A10, CAA, etc this year.


I have had international coaches tell me that exact fact, that American refereeing is a weakness here. The PL has an assigner (even if that person assigns for multiple league} and they are reviewed. ….there were three calls overruled in the Bucknell game…as long observer of Div 1 field hockey that is unusual. It may have occurred because there were three officials.... The PL needs to go to instant replay like the Big Ten , ACC, international games, and all NCAA playoff games.



1.  Yes, the refs are definitely reviewed.   The multi-league assignor that the PL contracts with is required by the PL bylaws to look at the referee rankings received from the league coaches and use those rankings to select tournament officials.  Given that there are a lot fewer games on the schedule now, it is not hard to get a group of high-ranked officials.   If even the highly-ranked ones are not good, that is definitely a problem.

2.  Yes, I had the same thought about the dynamics of suddenly switching to a three-referee system.

3.  Agree. Instant replay would certainly help.   Not sure how much it would cost the league to set up a system to allow it.
Lafalum

Interested Pardee wrote:
Nevertheless, congratulations to our girls for putting up a fight in the PLT semis.  I know it's not a championship or a winning season, but it is a step up from the previous two years in the midst of improvements on most of the PL teams.  I hope this trend continues and provides momentum for the next season, a long, long nine months away.

As earlier stated, on to recruiting (although, I hear the class of 2020 is complete?).  If I had my wishlist, I'd like to extend our international flavor to some of the FH powerhouses (Netherlands, Argentina, AUS/NZ).  Not that we don't have the homegrown talent, but it's always a benefit to have someone who has been playing since birth as part of the dynamic.  It raises the level of everyone on the team.  

Anyway, I remain encouraged, if not completely satisfied.


The class is not complete, she has 6 or 7 early commits. There is a Dutch girl visiting next week I am told. The international players commit more mid-spring. She should have extra equivalencies as she had one girl not show for preseason last summer. She never went to any college. ( personal issues?)
Interested Pardee

Lafalum wrote:
The class is not complete, she has 6 or 7 early commits. There is a Dutch girl visiting next week I am told. The international players commit more mid-spring. She should have extra equivalencies as she had one girl not show for preseason last summer. She never went to any college. ( personal issues?)


That looks like excellent work on the recruitment front.  Now, I'm excited!  Very Happy

Yes, I saw that one of the girls on the Class of 2019 Preview never showed up on the roster.  Too bad.  She looked like a good one.

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