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justasoldier

Breaking News

The football turf is being removed as of today. The turf was originally put down sideline to sideline with the yard markings being stitched between each turf section. Sand and rubber pellets were deposited on the completed turf.

As of today, they are removing the turf end zone to end zone.

It appears that they cut sections end line to end line. They run a machine that picks up the turf and vacuums the sand and pellets off the turf and into large bags. Bunch of them behind the visiting stands. Another machine comes along and rolls up the turf and removes them from the field. There's only 4 guys working and it looks like they may be completed by the end of the day and the field will be down to the stone base.

Couldn't get any information from the workers except that there were "defects".
Andy

Re: Breaking News

justasoldier wrote:
The football turf is being removed as of today. The turf was originally put down sideline to sideline with the yard markings being stitched between each turf section. Sand and rubber pellets were deposited on the completed turf.

As of today, they are removing the turf end zone to end zone.

It appears that they cut sections end line to end line. They run a machine that picks up the turf and vacuums the sand and pellets off the turf and into large bags. Bunch of them behind the visiting stands. Another machine comes along and rolls up the turf and removes them from the field. There's only 4 guys working and it looks like they may be completed by the end of the day and the field will be down to the stone base.

Couldn't get any information from the workers except that there were "defects".


I blame all the non-football activity.  (half kiddingly)
PardDad71

is suspect the imfamous - cancer causing tire pellets......right up there with global warming and man buns on my list of favorites.   when is the next camp scheduled (for HS prospects?)
Bogus Megapardus

PardDad71 wrote:
is suspect the imfamous - cancer causing tire pellets......right up there with global warming and man buns on my list of favorites.   when is the next camp scheduled (for HS prospects?)

I would have suspected some issue with the seams or something, but maybe it is "toxic pellet syndrome." Rolling Eyes
BillS

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
PardDad71 wrote:
is suspect the imfamous - cancer causing tire pellets......right up there with global warming and man buns on my list of favorites.   when is the next camp scheduled (for HS prospects?)

I would have suspected some issue with the seams or something, but maybe it is "toxic pellet syndrome." Rolling Eyes
Mexico is paying for it  Laughing
Kpard

And it is the Russian's fault!  Rolling Eyes
Lafalum

Seriously, could it be the pounding and pattern of traffic on the turf by two Lacrosse teams have taken its toll?!! It did contribute to the wear and tear on the FH turf eventually making it unplayable and dangerous. Lacrosse needs its own venue.

A friend of mine who worked for Astro turf told me Lacrosse, because of the pattern of wear (large circular paths around the goal especially), cut in half the life of turf ( under normal conditions can be as long as 12-14 years).
Marooner

How many times did they have to plow the field this winter for lacrosse games and practices? I know UMass lacrosse had to move for a season a couple years back (to their football stadium, ironically) because of plow-related damage.
Bogus Megapardus

Lafalum wrote:

Lacrosse needs its own venue.


Agreed. But then, where will Football play? Cool
Marooner

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Lafalum wrote:

Lacrosse needs its own venue.


Agreed. But then, where will Football play? Cool

Aside from the Big Ten and ACC, there aren't many football/lacrosse schools that don't share a venue*. And when there is a separate lax facility, it's usually something akin to Oaks Stadium... a perfectly fine venue but nothing flashy or "state of the art" about it.

* I started to count, but I thought I would know more off the top of my head, and I didn't feel like looking up 60+ schools.
justasoldier

It appears that the sand and pellets will be reused. They are bagged and on site.

The issue is a poor stone base which has low spots and accumulates water. Based on how they removed the original turf, I'm assuming that a new turf will be installed.

Regarding the lacrosse facility, there was a plan to build a lacrosse field that would run parallel to the field hockey. There would be two sided stands  between the two fields. That plan never got a go. It's now one of three soccer fields.

Maybe the lacrosse folks can build some momentum and pressure the administration. What would lacrosse prefer? A field hockey type surface or a football surface?

Maybe Bill S and Kpard will organize a fund raising program.
Bogus Megapardus



Lehigh's double-sided facility has natural turf for soccer and FieldTurf for lacrosse. The field hockey facility (to the right of the lax field) has AstroTurf (like Rappolt Field - but I don't know if Lehigh's surface is irrigated like Rappolt).

Lax players prefer natural turf when it's in good shape; they don't like rock-hard AstroTurf FH surfaces. FieldTurf seems to be the players' consensus when it's difficult to maintain/clear a natural turf surface.
Bogus Megapardus

In my utopian, unlimited-budget world, the lacrosse facility goes here - protected from the March winds by the natural contour of the hillside.




Prevailing winds blow right over the cliff, which drops about 300 feet in a short distance.


It could even have a nickname - "The Ravine."
Pardsfriend

Football and Lax fields

justasoldier wrote:
It appears that the sand and pellets will be reused. They are bagged and on site.

The issue is a poor stone base which has low spots and accumulates water. Based on how they removed the original turf, I'm assuming that a new turf will be installed.

Regarding the lacrosse facility, there was a plan to build a lacrosse field that would run parallel to the field hockey. There would be two sided stands  between the two fields. That plan never got a go. It's now one of three soccer fields.

Maybe the lacrosse folks can build some momentum and pressure the administration. What would lacrosse prefer? A field hockey type surface or a football surface?

 

Maybe Bill S and Kpard will organize a fund raising program.


 I don't buy the circular depreciation theory and plow damage reasons offered here.  The plow is a situation easily correctable and should result in no consequential damage when used correctly.

 I'm very familiar with Rappolt (both old and New AT surfaces), Oaks, and Fisher Fields.

 In my experience, and I'm generally familiar with field construction, damage to the current Fisher turf must be linked to drainage and slope.  Water is dependent upon a pitch away from the field of play, to allow runoff. Many D1 schools utilize field turf surfaces for both football and lacrosse.  Within the Patriot League, it includes Bucknell, Navy, and Colgate.  Having attended and observed lax games at these venues,  I observed no signs of visual depreciation due to lacrosse played on a traditional football field.  

 The administration, and athletics is fully aware that men's and women's lacrosse is sharing Fisher with the football program.  Understanding this, there is plenty of space and suitable locations within the Metzger Complex to site a lacrosse facility.  Imho, men's and women's lacrosse should have their own field complex.  The cost of this is worthwhile and efficient, and is a strategic step that benefits football and lacrosse.  There are many lacrosse only examples available in d1 lax right now, including Uhlrich at Lehigh, Arlotta at Notre Dame, and Kuzniewski at Holy Cross, to name a few.  And remember, if you have a showcase game, you always have the flexibility to move it to Fisher on an as need basis.

 Strategically and for long term needs, a distinct facility dedicated to lacrosse makes much more sense for Lafayette Athletics.
justasoldier

Having looked at the field this morning, with no turf on it,  I believe that percolation is the primary method of evacuation.

A question that should be asked is, "how often are the pellets redistributed".
Lafalum

justasoldier wrote:
It appears that the sand and pellets will be reused. They are bagged and on site.

The issue is a poor stone base which has low spots and accumulates water. Based on how they removed the original turf, I'm assuming that a new turf will be installed.

Regarding the lacrosse facility, there was a plan to build a lacrosse field that would run parallel to the field hockey. There would be two sided stands  between the two fields. That plan never got a go. It's now one of three soccer fields.

Maybe the lacrosse folks can build some momentum and pressure the administration. What would lacrosse prefer? A field hockey type surface or a football surface?



Maybe Bill S and Kpard will organize a fund raising program.


Lacrosse would certainly prefer a field turf site.  The Lehigh field hockey field is on a concrete undersurface making it extraordinarily hard. The Rappolt FH undersurface is crushed stone underneath a rubberized composite with drainage underneath the stone.

It's not the hardness that is the difference but the nap of the carpet in essence. Field Turf is unsuitable for FH and NCAA sanctioned games are not allowed on it.
Villanova played on their football field turf field until last year. NO one would schedule them as an out of conference game because of it.
justasoldier

Crew back at work today.  Looks like they have added additional stone. They were using a self made drag mat to distribute the stone. They then used a road grader to even out the surface and had a heavy duty roller standing by to roll the surface.

On a side note, there were a few players working on their passing on the turf behind the visiting stands.
Andy

justasoldier wrote:
Crew back at work today.  Looks like they have added additional stone. They were using a self made drag mat to distribute the stone. They then used a road grader to even out the surface and had a heavy duty roller standing by to roll the surface.


Terrific. How about something on the bball elite camp?
DFW HOYA

Lafalum wrote:

It's not the hardness that is the difference but the nap of the carpet in essence. Field Turf is unsuitable for FH and NCAA sanctioned games are not allowed on it.


I think you mean NCAA sanctioned tournament games. Georgetown plays field hockey on field turf because, well, they have no other choice. Previous games (and practices) were once held at the University of Maryland.
Lafalum

DFW HOYA wrote:
Lafalum wrote:

It's not the hardness that is the difference but the nap of the carpet in essence. Field Turf is unsuitable for FH and NCAA sanctioned games are not allowed on it.


I think you mean NCAA sanctioned tournament games. Georgetown plays field hockey on field turf because, well, they have no other choice. Previous games (and practices) were once held at the University of Maryland.

yes that's what I meant...I can't think of anyone else  who plays on field turf in division 1.
Pards Rule

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
In my utopian, unlimited-budget world, the lacrosse facility goes here - protected from the March winds by the natural contour of the hillside.




Prevailing winds blow right over the cliff, which drops about 300 feet in a short distance.


It could even have a nickname - "The Ravine."


Bogus, like that concept...what is there now. I recall jogging along Bushkill Street ONE time in spring 1982. Im not really a jogger but talked into it.  It looks from the aerial as derelict as it was then.
ed65

Acquiring properties along Bushkill Drive for future LC Expansion in a really good opportunity IMHO.  I had to park there for the Lehigh Game last year, and walked by a large number of hostile Lehigh people who were tailgating but I got a good look at all the businesses and the few houses that are there.  As always with the topography of Easton, there is a hill but the students are young people who ought to be able to handle the hill.  West Point for example is built into the side of a mountain and it functions well except for football games. Yes, there are some "derelict" sections but  Bushkill Drive but property has got to be a lot less expensive than off McCartney and the streets where the College is planning to expand.  I say this with somewhat of a grain of salt since I don't have a clue about property values in Easton.
justasoldier

There has been no progress on the football field but they are reroofing Kirby Field House. Looks like they reroofed Franks house also.
justasoldier

New turf being delivered today.
bison137

Lafalum wrote:
Seriously, could it be the pounding and pattern of traffic on the turf by two Lacrosse teams have taken its toll?!! It did contribute to the wear and tear on the FH turf eventually making it unplayable and dangerous. Lacrosse needs its own venue.

A friend of mine who worked for Astro turf told me Lacrosse, because of the pattern of wear (large circular paths around the goal especially), cut in half the life of turf ( under normal conditions can be as long as 12-14 years).



Fwiw, Bucknell also has a turf field, used for all football games and practices and for all lacrosse games and practices.   Also used for all football and lacrosse camps.   Also used for all Lewisburg HS games.   The last turf lasted 11 years and was still in decent shape when it was replaced (2012).   Not sure why Bucknell's experience would be so different, with at least as much use if not more.
justasoldier

bison137 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Seriously, could it be the pounding and pattern of traffic on the turf by two Lacrosse teams have taken its toll?!! It did contribute to the wear and tear on the FH turf eventually making it unplayable and dangerous. Lacrosse needs its own venue.

A friend of mine who worked for Astro turf told me Lacrosse, because of the pattern of wear (large circular paths around the goal especially), cut in half the life of turf ( under normal conditions can be as long as 12-14 years).



Fwiw, Bucknell also has a turf field, used for all football games and practices and for all lacrosse games and practices.   Also used for all football and lacrosse camps.   Also used for all Lewisburg HS games.   The last turf lasted 11 years and was still in decent shape when it was replaced (2012).   Not sure why Bucknell's experience would be so different, with at least as much use if not more.


The turf was OK, it was the drainage system under it that was the problem. But to get to the problem, they had to remove the turf.
justasoldier

Good News. The new turf is down, with a few exceptions along the sideline. They are cutting in the yard markers today. They still need to put in the logos etc. The sand and pellets were bagged from the removal of the original turf and are sitting behind the visitor stands. The field may be playable by the end of the week.
Andy

justasoldier wrote:
Good News. The new turf is down, with a few exceptions along the sideline. They are cutting in the yard markers today. They still need to put in the logos etc. The sand and pellets were bagged from the removal of the original turf and are sitting behind the visitor stands. The field may be playable by the end of the week.


Sounds good. Next camp dates July 14 & 15. Would be nice to have the kids getting a feel for the stadium instead of Forks Township.
justasoldier

All the turf is down. The sand and pellets have yet to be applied.  Heavy rain this morning. No puddles as of 11:00am. They need to do something about the washout at the McCracken Gate.
justasoldier

As of 2:00 today they have about one half of the pellets down.  Looks like the field will be ready for play by Tuesday.
justasoldier

They are putting the last of the pellets on the field today. Field should be ready for practice tomorrow.

Field is done, most of the equipment is gone. Place smells like a tire factory.

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