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Pard4Life

Bucknell - The Land of No Return

The air seems to have gone out of the balloon very quickly around here after Saturday.  Now, we have to play in a place where we have won only once... last year...

Bison137 what's your take?
Kpard

Just been laying low so I don't say something stupid that our knowledgable friend 137 would correct me on.  Surprised  Rolling Eyes

I hope we right the ship, shoot well, rebound, play good D and get another road W.
bison137

Bison offense is mediocre and predictable.  Bison defense is mediocre and predictable.  Hass is a very dangerous offensive player but rarely gets any good shots in the offense.  BU is now starting two frosh, Nana Foulland and JC Show, who both have a lot of potential.

If Lindner is healthy, LC should win.   If he is out, then it likely will be close.
SixtyEighter

For what it's worth Lafayette is as of this moment the highest Sagarin rated Patriot League team.Another dud tonight like Saturday and that will change quickly.It will be interesting to see if Fran can right the ship. I agree with bison137's post about Lindner. He is the gas that makes the Pards' engine go.
Pard4Life

Bucknell's announcer is unbearable.  AWFUL.

Like our performance thus far.
pards123

Pard4Life wrote:
Bucknell's announcer is unbearable.  AWFUL.

Like our performance thus far.


Pretty ridiculous. There's being a homer and then there's being unprofessional. This guy is definitely the latter.
Lafalum

Pard4Life wrote:
Bucknell's announcer is unbearable.  AWFUL.

Like our performance thus far.


I am worried... too many missed layups…down 8 with 59 sec left
pards123

Lafalum wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
Bucknell's announcer is unbearable.  AWFUL.

Like our performance thus far.


I am worried... too many missed layups…down 8 with 59 sec left


Silly turnovers as well.
Pard4Life

Half the game is left, but I think we are cooked.
Lafalum

Could someone please pull the plug on this announcer!!  We left our defense on the bus. This is discouraging.
Pard4Life

20 looks like Wilt out there. Ugh. I can't see a comeback here.
Andy

Pard4Life wrote:
20 looks like Wilt out there. Ugh. I can't see a comeback here.


I cant see anything.  Did they lose the signal..? Maybe not a bad thing....
Lafalum

Lost by 10, two forgettable games in row.
Kpard

Again, we don't seem to step up? Also, if we got this kind of home court officiating Saturday, we'd have beaten Navy.

Agree with Franks Tanks, considering what we had returning, I really thought we were in for a special season as well. Right now, I'm not sure what we are going to get. Better shake off the funk in a hurry, it's league time.
Andy

I'm kind of mystified by the effort tonight. Are we a senior laden team in pursuit of a championship?  Or what?

If not this season, when?
Pard4Life

Here comes a typical 15-15 Fran team. Let's hope not. League seems topsy turvey. Loyola beat AU and Colgate is I think in first place. Army is 1-2.
Franks Tanks

Andy wrote:
I'm kind of mystified by the effort tonight. Are we a senior laden team in pursuit of a championship?  Or what?

If not this season, when?


Agree!  If not now, when?

In Dan Trist we have a solid inside presence who can also score.  He may not be dominant on the glass, but is about as formidable as we get from a big guy.  Seth is unique player at our level given his size, decent athletic ability and shooting touch.  Joey P is one of the best shooters in the county.  Linder is still young but again is a quality player.

I didn't think we would run over the league, but though we would be in serious contention for the title.  Maybe the team is in a funk, and Fran will have them humming at tourney time, but as of now we are headed for the bottom half of the league and a struggle to reach .500 for the season.
Lafalum

Franks Tanks wrote:
Andy wrote:
I'm kind of mystified by the effort tonight. Are we a senior laden team in pursuit of a championship?  Or what?

If not this season, when?


Agree!  If not now, when?

but as of now we are headed for the bottom half of the league and a struggle to reach .500 for the season.


This is the management of our athletic department. Until new objectives are set and  established this seems to be fate of all our teams. Time to change, they ask constantly for our money and support and we are not getting accountability. Can anyone name in team in the past two years who has been above .500. Yes I know, a PL championship in football, but with an under .500 season. I am proud of our student athletes who put the effort on the  field and on the court. They deserve  the best.

I hope it changes!!
LC Fan

Come on! This is totally predictable. If you can't defend the rim, you have no chance and our guys can't. Every game we lose the rebounding battle and give up easy points in the paint. Other coaches know this and exploit it. That is our problem and Fran has no answer. We're terribly soft, slow, and inadequate around the basket.
Pard4Life

LC Fan wrote:
Come on! This is totally predictable. If you can't defend the rim, you have no chance and our guys can't. Every game we lose the rebounding battle and give up easy points in the paint. Other coaches know this and exploit it. That is our problem and Fran has no answer. We're terribly soft, slow, and inadequate around the basket.


In general, yes... but we turned in a good interior performance at Army for the most part.
NewXbo

LC Fan wrote:
Come on! This is totally predictable. If you can't defend the rim, you have no chance and our guys can't. Every game we lose the rebounding battle and give up easy points in the paint. Other coaches know this and exploit it. That is our problem and Fran has no answer. We're terribly soft, slow, and inadequate around the basket.


Your opinion is not supported by the season statistics:

We have 333 defensive rebounds compared too our opponent's 308

Our FG% is .484  compared to our opponent's .432

Cannot find PIP statistic, do you have it?
bison137

Rebounding is definitely a problem.  LC ranks 346th (of 351) nationally in defensive rebounding and 258th in offensive rebounding.   Right now they are only getting 60% of available defensive rebounds - which is really poor.   The average is about 69% for all teams in the nation - and other PL teams average 69.3%.

The total rebounds are misleading because LC opponents have 89 more shot attempts than does LC, so there are a lot more opportunities for LC to get defensive rebounds
LC Fan

Xbox, your stats are very selective. Total rebounds are 465 for the Pards vs 517, negative 3.7 per game, and we've given up 209 offensive boards vs 132, that's negative 77 in 13 games (ugh). That has led to 874 field goal attempts, 85 (10+%) more than us. Staggering differences statistically. But actually it's not the stats. Anyone who has watched us play understands our limitations. We rarely contest an inside shot, are often out of position for rebounds, and lack the toughness, and athleticism necessary to succeed in our own league. We have been hampered this way for years and expecting a miraculous change because we have more seniors this year is unrealistic. Believe me...I wish I could be proved wrong.
leopard88

I didn't get to see the game, so I can't comment on how our boys looked.  However, I am astounded by the Chicken Little attitude everyone is presenting.  A week ago, everyone thought the team looked poised for a shot at the title.  Now, after one two game slide, the sky is falling.

I'm not saying the skid will end this weekend and they will finish 16-2 in the PL, but let's not panic over two games.
NewXbo

leopard88 wrote:
I didn't get to see the game, so I can't comment on how our boys looked.  However, I am astounded by the Chicken Little attitude everyone is presenting.  A week ago, everyone thought the team looked poised for a shot at the title.  Now, after one two game slide, the sky is falling.

I'm not saying the skid will end this weekend and they will finish 16-2 in the PL, but let's not panic over two games.


Good point 88. Unfortunately we have a lot of posters who seem relish losing so they have something to complain about. We saw it with football now its basketball. We are a mini Holy Cross board.
SixtyEighter

I don't read the Holy Cross board but I have watched the last 2 games until the streams crashed and it was obvious that we were pummeled in both the Navy and Bucknell games.

As for the debate about the ooc schedule the argument was in the past that it was too difficult and wore the team down for the league games. It seems to have completed the circle.

At this point it seems that the team is not as good as it seemed to be. Since the Army game the wheels have come off.

My biggest perceived weakness of this team is the total lack of offensive rebounding.The other guys get more shots under their own basket and make roughly 50% of them . In general in the last two games our shooting has fallen way off. Admittedly this is only a two game sampling but it is disturbing that it was two games in a row and one home game and one road game.The Bucknell loss was parallel to the Holy Cross football loss. This was a team that was not meshing fueled by freshmen who seemingly should have been road kill for our senior laden lineup. Pregame statistical matchup comparison indicated a probable win as well.However what did we score in the first half- 28 points if I recall.That won't win many games.
SixtyEighter

I want to correct my post - we were only out offensive rebounded 11-10 by Bucknell but 44-33 overall.Also we actually scored 26 in the first half rather than 28.
leopard88

NewXbo wrote:
leopard88 wrote:
I didn't get to see the game, so I can't comment on how our boys looked.  However, I am astounded by the Chicken Little attitude everyone is presenting.  A week ago, everyone thought the team looked poised for a shot at the title.  Now, after one two game slide, the sky is falling.

I'm not saying the skid will end this weekend and they will finish 16-2 in the PL, but let's not panic over two games.


Good point 88. Unfortunately we have a lot of posters who seem relish losing so they have something to complain about. We saw it with football now its basketball. We are a mini Holy Cross board.


Does that mean we're joining the Big East?  Bring on G-town and 'Nova!
bison137

SixtyEighter wrote:


My biggest perceived weakness of this team is the total lack of offensive rebounding.The other guys get more shots under their own basket and make roughly 50% of them . In general in the last two games our shooting has fallen way off. Admittedly this is only a two game sampling but it is disturbing that it was two games in a row and one home game and one road game.The Bucknell loss was parallel to the Holy Cross football loss. This was a team that was not meshing fueled by freshmen who seemingly should have been road kill for our senior laden lineup. Pregame statistical matchup comparison indicated a probable win as well.However what did we score in the first half- 28 points if I recall.That won't win many games.

EDIT: I want to correct my post - we were only out offensive rebounded 11-10 by Bucknell but 44-33 overall.Also we actually scored 26 in the first half rather than 28.




1.  Defensive rebounding is actually a bigger problem.   LC is one of the six worst teams in the nation in that category.

2.  Not sure that Bucknell was a probable win or should have been road kill.   Based on Pomeroy, which may be the best statistical model out there, LC was all of a 1-point favorite.

3.  Looking at absolute numbers when it comes to rebounds is often misleading - since there may be vastly different numbers of missed shots at the two ends.   In the Bucknell game, LC got 23% of available offensive rebounds - which is below average.  Bucknell got 31% - which is about average.    So the real difference on the offensive boards is more than is implied by an 11-10 margin due to more rebounds being available at the end LC was shooting at.
Andy

NewXbo wrote:
leopard88 wrote:
I didn't get to see the game, so I can't comment on how our boys looked.  However, I am astounded by the Chicken Little attitude everyone is presenting.  A week ago, everyone thought the team looked poised for a shot at the title.  Now, after one two game slide, the sky is falling.

I'm not saying the skid will end this weekend and they will finish 16-2 in the PL, but let's not panic over two games.


Good point 88. Unfortunately we have a lot of posters who seem relish losing so they have something to complain about. We saw it with football now its basketball. We are a mini Holy Cross board.


The high hopes for the team were reinforced by the effort and determination we saw (many in person) at Army.  We dared to imagine a dream season, maybe a 20 win season.  The injury to Nick hurt vs Navy but the the seeming turnaround in determination in the last 2 games is puzzling, at least to me.  
Kpard

#2 Duke & #4 Wisconsin (@ Rutgers) lost on the road, I guess I'm OK with hacking up a fur ball in Lewisburg. The Navy loss still grinds me though.

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