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NE Leopard

Can the losing culture at LC be reversed?

Big question...Can the losing culture around the football program be turned around without a major change either by the administration or the coaches? It is pretty evident that the adminstration has no plans to change the focus on winning, so it up to the players to do it IMO.  

I for one think it can, but it is going to take some of the players to really step-up and lead the charge. For 2016, now that all 4 classes will be scholarship players, you won't have that animosity factor to deal with. Many of our players have come from great winning programs in HS and need to take what they've learned and lead. We have plenty of champions and captains on our roster.

Who is going to step up and lead?

Your turn...
Lafalum

Re: Can the losing culture at LC be reversed?

NE Leopard wrote:
Big question...Can the losing culture around the football program be turned around without a major change either by the administration or the coaches? It is pretty evident that the adminstration has no plans to change the focus on winning, so it up to the players to do it IMO.  

I for one think it can, but it is going to take some of the players to really step-up and lead the charge. For 2016, now that all 4 classes will be scholarship players, you won't have that animosity factor to deal with. Many of our players have come from great winning programs in HS and need to take what they've learned and lead. We have plenty of champions and captains on our roster.

Who is going to step up and lead?

Your turn...


I know your focus is football but the losing culture is athletic department wide. Winning must become part of the mission. Yes, its up to the players but there has to be accountability and that comes from the top. We have had individual programs succeed from time to time but there is no incentive to be a consistent winner. I have resisted withholding donations but I am slowly coming around. So far, for the most part I see my dollars going into an ever increasing black hole!!
Pards Rule

How does the BOT get elected? How does one run? I'm tanned, ready and eager to join with pennants and Pard flying!
NE Leopard

Pards Rule wrote:
How does the BOT get elected? How does one run? I'm tanned, ready and eager to join with pennants and Pard flying!


It would definitely be great to get an athletics friendly member on the BOT. Winning in the classroom and on the field should be a major priority for the college. Unfortunately PAB is quite pleased with a half-hearted effort in "participating" in 23 D1 sports.

First step, cut down the number of sports and direct the same amount of funds to the remaining sports. Temple did it recently (baseball, softball, men's and women's rowing, men's gymnastics, men's indoor track and field and men's outdoor track and field) and now they are a Top 25 football program. I like best what Temple's reasoning was "Temple does not have the resources to equip, staff, and provide a positive competitive experience for 24 varsity sports. Continuing this model does a disservice to our student-athletes"...

Maybe LC should take the same approach!
NewXbo

Well, Temple is a big time school in a big time conference, Lafayette is not.

So, are you willing to be the one who tells the athletes on the seven sports that were dropped that they no longer can compete?

If you really wanted the athletic programs to be more successful, you would be better off dropping football and provide more funding to the other sports.

Dropping any sports is not the answer. Lafayette College should be committed to be the best in the class room and on the field in both categories.
BPard

Pards Rule wrote:
How does the BOT get elected? How does one run? I'm tanned, ready and eager to join with pennants and Pard flying!


Your shortest path is via the Alumni Association, which will holds elections at reunion. Alumni Council meets throughout the year.

The College's statutes are:

From Section 20 wrote:
C. Five Trustees shall be known as Alumni Trustees, and each shall be elected to serve for five years or, in the discretion of the Board, for a lesser term, one being elected every year, upon nomination by the Executive Committee of the Board selected from candidates submitted by the Alumni Council Executive Committee in accordance with the provisions of such plan of election as may from time to time be agreed upon by the Board and the Alumni Association.


Quote:
SECTION 21. Nominations for the office to voting Trustee shall be made only by the Executive Committee of the Board. At any meeting of the Board at which the Committee shall make nominations, a majority of those Trustees present and voting by individual ballot may elect voting Trustees from among those nominated or may decline to elect any or all nominees. At a meeting of the Board prior to the meeting at which nominations shall be made, the Executive Committee shall notify
the Board of the names of the nominees the Executive Committee intends to nominate, and at the conclusion of said prior meeting all Trustees shall be sent written notice of the names of said proposed nominees with a biographical resume of each.


Your other option besides trustee action, and a much, much more devious one, would be to engage the Synod of Philadelphia of the Presbyterian Church - who retains a great deal of power over the College on paper that it has, to my knowledge, never wielded. You could conceivably create a Board of Visitors and force a great deal of change onto the College.
BPard

NewXbo wrote:
Lafayette College should be committed to be the best in the class room and on the field in both categories.
Agree. Sometimes this does take introspection and deciding in what categories we are unwilling or unable to achieve a standard of excellence, and subsequently exiting those categories.
NE Leopard

NewXbo wrote:
Well, Temple is a big time school in a big time conference, Lafayette is not.

So, are you willing to be the one who tells the athletes on the seven sports that were dropped that they no longer can compete?

If you really wanted the athletic programs to be more successful, you would be better off dropping football and provide more funding to the other sports.

Dropping any sports is not the answer. Lafayette College should be committed to be the best in the class room and on the field in both categories.


I agree we should demand excellence in the classroom and the field. The current administration is just not concerned with winning. They say they would like to win, but is OK to lose.

I'm just suggesting an alternative approach. And no, we surely should not be dropping football. In the end, can you effectively compete in all 23 sports, or should you concentrate on being better at less?
Lafalum

NE Leopard wrote:
NewXbo wrote:
Well, Temple is a big time school in a big time conference, Lafayette is not.

So, are you willing to be the one who tells the athletes on the seven sports that were dropped that they no longer can compete?

If you really wanted the athletic programs to be more successful, you would be better off dropping football and provide more funding to the other sports.

Dropping any sports is not the answer. Lafayette College should be committed to be the best in the class room and on the field in both categories.


I agree we should demand excellence in the classroom and the field. The current administration is just not concerned with winning. They say they would like to win, but is OK to lose.

I'm just suggesting an alternative approach. And no, we surely should not be dropping football. In the end, can you effectively compete in all 23 sports, or should you concentrate on being better at less?


The school would say they are already doing that by giving scholarships in selected sports. (football, M/W basketball, M/W soccer, FH, women's Lacrosse, and a couple in baseball and softball.) The problem is operating budgets for salaries and other expenses has remained flat and in some case gone down for the last 8 years or so. All the while asking alumni to pony up more money.
Raise the salaries of the coaches and assistants on the sports you want to support and fire them if they underperform. Suggested sports of emphasis.
Football, M/W basketball, FH, M/W Soccer, Baseball, W. Lacrosse to balance.
Lafalum

BPard wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
How does the BOT get elected? How does one run? I'm tanned, ready and eager to join with pennants and Pard flying!


Your shortest path is via the Alumni Association, which will holds elections at reunion. Alumni Council meets throughout the year.

The College's statutes are:

From Section 20 wrote:
C. Five Trustees shall be known as Alumni Trustees, and each shall be elected to serve for five years or, in the discretion of the Board, for a lesser term, one being elected every year, upon nomination by the Executive Committee of the Board selected from candidates submitted by the Alumni Council Executive Committee in accordance with the provisions of such plan of election as may from time to time be agreed upon by the Board and the Alumni Association.


Quote:
SECTION 21. Nominations for the office to voting Trustee shall be made only by the Executive Committee of the Board. At any meeting of the Board at which the Committee shall make nominations, a majority of those Trustees present and voting by individual ballot may elect voting Trustees from among those nominated or may decline to elect any or all nominees. At a meeting of the Board prior to the meeting at which nominations shall be made, the Executive Committee shall notify
the Board of the names of the nominees the Executive Committee intends to nominate, and at the conclusion of said prior meeting all Trustees shall be sent written notice of the names of said proposed nominees with a biographical resume of each.




Your other option besides trustee action, and a much, much more devious one, would be to engage the Synod of Philadelphia of the Presbyterian Church - who retains a great deal of power over the College on paper that it has, to my knowledge, never wielded. You could conceivably create a Board of Visitors and force a great deal of change onto the College.


Your problem of course is the BOT nominating committee which will approve or disapprove of candidates. That's how they reproduce.
BPard

Lafalum wrote:


Your problem of course is the BOT nominating committee which will approve or disapprove of candidates. That's how they reproduce.
that's why the Synod Board Of Visitors would be much more devious. The BOT would be forced to answer to them or modify the statutes to sever ties and thus the oversight requirements.

If you want to remove the AD (or coach or their bosses), the visitors could force a vote on the issue and a public defense of the vote.

No chance this happens. But the avenues are there if the issues are serious enough.

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