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LeopardBall10

Candidate possibilities, rumors, and sightings

Figured it would probably make sense to give this its own thread. This process may take a few weeks or a few months, but those of you who are in the know will no doubt hear things.

Some of the top candidates with Lafayette connections:

Loose - Long time LC defensive coordinator. Left for his current position as Safety Coach at Army. No head coach experience

Troxell - 10 year DIII F&M head coach with a 65-60 career record as head coach. Past LC assistant and special teams coordinator

Heffner - Current Northwestern H-Backs coach and former LC offensive coordinator and offensive line coach and former Maryland OC

Partridge - Current Michigan LBs coach and recruiting specialist and previously a high school coach in NJ

Dave Cohen - Currently the DL coach at Wake Forrest with HC experience at Hoffstra, and stops at LC, Fordham, Delaware, Wester Michigan... (probably not realistic. Would need too much $$$ unless they don't return the staff at Wake).

Matt Hachman - Long time LBs coach under Loose before taking the DC job at Townson. Has been there since. He was the much beloved "hammer" on the multiple championship staff.
Other guys with Lafayette ties, but probably not enough experience:

Ian Dell - LC alumn and current LC defensive line coach. Previous at Moravian. Could be brought back in staff depending on the new HC.

Marvin Clecidor - Lafayette alumn who is the current DBs coach at William and Mary. Previous stops at F&M, Rutgars, and Monmouth (my darkhorse for DC if Loose or Trox get the nod)

Justin Stoval - Former LC captain now the current LBs coach and special teams coordinator at Columbia. Previous stops at F&M, LEHIGH, Nova, and Valpo

Chad Walker - LC alumn who recently resigned from his postion as the head coach at Pace after several disappointing seasons. Spent time in the European pro leagues and as an LC assistant

Mike St. Germain - LC alumn and current VMI assistant and recruiting coordinator with stops at F&M, LC, and Virginia

Tony Caljean - LC alumn and current Ursinus assistant and special teams coordinator. Previously at F&M

Anyone else I missed? There are also possibilities that this administration goes with someone who has no ties to LC at all. If that is the case this list will be very different.
Franks Tanks

Re: Candidate possibilities, rumors, and sightings

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Figured it would probably make sense to give this its own thread. This process may take a few weeks or a few months, but those of you who are in the know will no doubt hear things.

Some of the top candidates with Lafayette connections:

Loose - Long time LC defensive coordinator. Left for his current position as Safety Coach at Army. No head coach experience

Troxell - 10 year DIII F&M head coach with a 65-60 career record as head coach. Past LC assistant and special teams coordinator

Heffner - Current Northwestern H-Backs coach and former LC offensive coordinator and offensive line coach and former Maryland OC

Partridge - Current Michigan LBs coach and recruiting specialist and previously a high school coach in NJ

Dave Cohen - Currently the DL coach at Wake Forrest with HC experience at Hoffstra, and stops at LC, Fordham, Delaware, Wester Michigan... (probably not realistic. Would need too much $$$ unless they don't return the staff at Wake).

Matt Hachman - Long time LBs coach under Loose before taking the DC job at Townson. Has been there since. He was the much beloved "hammer" on the multiple championship staff.
Other guys with Lafayette ties, but probably not enough experience:

Ian Dell - LC alumn and current LC defensive line coach. Previous at Moravian. Could be brought back in staff depending on the new HC.

Marvin Clecidor - Lafayette alumn who is the current DBs coach at William and Mary. Previous stops at F&M, Rutgars, and Monmouth (my darkhorse for DC if Loose or Trox get the nod)

Justin Stoval - Former LC captain now the current LBs coach and special teams coordinator at Columbia. Previous stops at F&M, LEHIGH, Nova, and Valpo

Chad Walker - LC alumn who recently resigned from his postion as the head coach at Pace after several disappointing seasons. Spent time in the European pro leagues and as an LC assistant

Mike St. Germain - LC alumn and current VMI assistant and recruiting coordinator with stops at F&M, LC, and Virginia

Tony Caljean - LC alumn and current Ursinus assistant and special teams coordinator. Previously at F&M

Anyone else I missed? There are also possibilities that this administration goes with someone who has no ties to LC at all. If that is the case this list will be very different.


Damian Wroblewski- Current OC at Elon.  Former OL coach at Rutgers, and former OC and assist HC at Delaware under Keeler.  99 Lafayette grad, and probably one of the best OL ever to play at Lafayette.  He would certainly make our OL better!
SixtyEighter

Mike Rearden for reasons set forth in my post under the Wroblewski et al post.
Franks Tanks

SixtyEighter wrote:
Mike Rearden for reasons set forth in my post under the Wroblewski et al post.


It's Mark, and he is a really good coach.  He was the DC at Nova when they won the title, but he removed himself from the conversation when he want to be a high school coach in my opinion.  He stated publically several times he got tired of the college coaching grind and made the move and seems really happy.

Reardon took the 1st train out of Easton when Frank was hired way back in the day.
LeopardBall10

Franks Tanks wrote:
Reardon took the 1st train out of Easton when Frank was hired way back in the day.


Not sure where I heard it, but I thought him and Loose were close.
LeopardBall10

Shoot, if Trox can get a look at 65-60 over 10 years what about my boy Duke Donnely!? The winning-est coach in the valley right now with a 131-72 record over 19 years with the Mules.

Not really being serious, but he is a great coach year in and year out.
Pard4Life

Don't care at all if the new HC has LC connections... it may even be for the best if the new guy has none.
Pard4Life

We could draw up some criteria... coach with experience in:

- Recruiting with athletic scholarships
- Academic-focused environment
- Assistant at a successful program in FBS or high-profile and proven track record in FCS
- Won a championship
- Coached All-Americans
- Innovative
- Personable and proven to engage with alumni
- Willing to get paid around $250K
SIDELINER

John Troxell or Dave Cecchini for head coach.

Phil Stambaugh for offensive coordinator.

Tim Moncman for defensive coordinator.

Dare we think it???

You want fresh blood. There it is.
bethlehempard

Stambaugh is a winner.
Bogus Megapardus

Why are so many in favor of Troxel?  I know he's a homeboy and all, but his record at the DIII level isn't all that good.

Also, nobody who ever had anything to do with Lehigh ought to be considered. Rolling Eyes
2laf

Trox

Coaching circles are saying Trox is the front runner.
Franks Tanks

I will never say anything negative about Trox, but I am concerned that he never coached at a scholarship program. He spent his whole career at the Ivy, Patriot (pre  scholly) and D3 level.  Our largest issue I think was finding and developing players, and managing a smaller roster.

Rumor is that Rocco from Richmond may be heading to Delaware, and the Bryant job is also open.  Wrobo may be very interested in Bryant as he is from RI and coached there way back in the day.
Will to Win

Troxell 's record is 32-17 over the last 5 years.  Not too shabby
The Maroon

SIDELINER wrote:
John Troxell or Dave Cecchini for head coach.

Phil Stambaugh for offensive coordinator.

Tim Moncman for defensive coordinator.

Dare we think it???

You want fresh blood. There it is.


I'd be willing to start the Cecchini bandwagon.
Bogus Megapardus

During the basketball halftime interview Bruce McC went out of his way to put an emphasis on candidates with Division I and scholarship recruiting experience.  That would seem to rule out Troxell.

Cecchini has spent most of his adult life hating Lafayette.  I don't care how much of a wunderkind he is.  I don't want anything that arose from the slime.
Franks Tanks

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
During the basketball halftime interview Bruce McC went out of his way to put an emphasis on candidates with Division I and scholarship recruiting experience.  That would seem to rule out Troxell.

Cecchini has spent most of his adult life hating Lafayette.  I don't care how much of a wunderkind he is.  I don't want anything that arose from the slime.


Cramsey is like Cecchinini only better.  Both are QB driven offensive coaches.  I know Chick has been a head coach, but Cramsey has been an FBS coordinator and ran the show at Montana State.  Cramsey brings everything Chick dies without the Lehigh baggage.
Andy

Franks Tanks wrote:
I will never say anything negative about Trox, but I am concerned that he never coached at a scholarship program. He spent his whole career at the Ivy, Patriot (pre  scholly) and D3 level.  Our largest issue I think was finding and developing players, and managing a smaller roster.


His bio touts his recruiting coordinator experience/success at LC, particularly the Class of 2005.  To me though, naming a D3 would be a disappointment.
Bogus Megapardus

Tim Cramsey seems better and better with every new thing I read about him.  Presumably he already knows plenty about Lafayette.
admin

Moncman coached at Lehigh for a while - but I don't question his Leopard pedigree. Jill Redfern jumped from Lafayette to Lehigh and the women's lax team is still suffering. I know there are plenty of other examples. Baseball coach Joe Kinney?

"If you can coach, you can coach" - I'm not swayed by the fact the Cecchini caught about 1,000 yards against us in the early 90's.
Kpard

SIDELINER wrote:
John Troxell or Dave Cecchini for head coach.

Phil Stambaugh for offensive coordinator.

Tim Moncman for defensive coordinator.

Dare we think it???

You want fresh blood. There it is.


That is really quite interesting.
The new HC will of course have his own ideas about a staff.

Oh hey, I just had a thought, with all of our diversity and inclusion mandates, shouldn't we be hiring a female or non specific gender for our HC???  Rolling Eyes  Wink  Laughing  Laughing  Crying or Very sad
Bogus Megapardus

admin wrote:
I'm not swayed by the fact the Cecchini caught about 1,000 yards against us in the early 90's.


Consider me swayed. Confused
Andy

Kpard wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
John Troxell or Dave Cecchini for head coach.

Phil Stambaugh for offensive coordinator.

Tim Moncman for defensive coordinator.

Dare we think it???

You want fresh blood. There it is.


That is really quite interesting.
The new HC will of course have his own ideas about a staff.

Oh hey, I just had a thought, with all of our diversity and inclusion mandates, shouldn't we be hiring a female or non specific gender for our HC???  Rolling Eyes  Wink  Laughing  Laughing  Crying or Very sad


How will Cramsey react to Bruce's "are you committed to a diverse and inclusive environment for our students and staff."  Whaaaa, say again?

Nice guy, but what a butt smoocher.  Geez I hope Oreo was watching...
LFN

It's going to be very fun on here when Mickey Fein goes from "interim" to "acting".
PardDad71

Andy wrote:
Kpard wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
John Troxell or Dave Cecchini for head coach.

Phil Stambaugh for offensive coordinator.

Tim Moncman for defensive coordinator.

Dare we think it???

You want fresh blood. There it is.


That is really quite interesting.
The new HC will of course have his own ideas about a staff.

Oh hey, I just had a thought, with all of our diversity and inclusion mandates, shouldn't we be hiring a female or non specific gender for our HC???  Rolling Eyes  Wink  Laughing  Laughing  Crying or Very sad


How will Cramsey react to Bruce's "are you committed to a diverse and inclusive environment for our students and staff."  Whaaaa, say again?

Nice guy, but what a butt smoocher.  Geez I hope Oreo was watching...


If I am Cramsey, I say that is great, we need more student who have been academically discriminated against by society so we can help them reach their full intellectual capacity (and win a few games)
LeopardBall10

I have heard from multiple coaches on the outside looking in that Trox is the lead candidate at this point.

I have no idea how we are reaching out to or finding potential candidates and I do not think any interviews have taken place to this point.
Andy

LeopardBall10 wrote:
I have heard from multiple coaches on the outside looking in that Trox is the lead candidate at this point.

I have no idea how we are reaching out to or finding potential candidates and I do not think any interviews have taken place to this point.


Yeah, figures. Shaping up as a typical McCutcheon "national search."
Franks Tanks

Does anyone know what type of O and D Trox runs at F&M?

I know F&M is historically pretty good, and Trox's record there is probably considered par for the course historically. They also haven't really challenged the Mules and Hopkins who dominate that conference.
Pard4Life

LeopardBall10 wrote:
I have heard from multiple coaches on the outside looking in that Trox is the lead candidate at this point.

I have no idea how we are reaching out to or finding potential candidates and I do not think any interviews have taken place to this point.


I am inspired... as inspiring as rearranging my tie rack.
Pardsfriend

Coaches

Andy wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
I have heard from multiple coaches on the outside looking in that Trox is the lead candidate at this point.

I have no idea how we are reaching out to or finding potential candidates and I do not think any interviews have taken place to this point.


Yeah, figures. Shaping up as a typical McCutcheon "national search."


 The other guy who stands out to me is Coach Perry, the OC at Princeton.  Right pedigree, both FBS (Maryland) and FCS (Delaware) coaching experience.  Having observed his offense up close at Princeton, the guy gets the most out of his talent.  One thing he brings that would be a welcome change at LC is an up-tempo scheme and efficient time management on the offensive side of ball.  A 2000' Brown graduate from Massachusetts, I'm sure he understands the Patriot League well.  More importantly, I'm confident he can recruit the prototypical players necessary for success at LC.

 I can only hope this guy is in the mix.
pardfan

Having experienced the Neil Putnam years (a Yale asst.--as I recall--hire which, at the time, seemed ok), my fingers are double- and triple-crossed.  Ivy assistants... please, no.

With Amigo Bruce at the controls, this is no layup.
Andy

Pard4Life wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
I have heard from multiple coaches on the outside looking in that Trox is the lead candidate at this point.

I have no idea how we are reaching out to or finding potential candidates and I do not think any interviews have taken place to this point.


I am inspired... as inspiring as rearranging my tie rack.


Easy, cheap, safe.  And Mickey will stay as OC.
LeopardBall10

Andy wrote:


Easy, cheap, safe.  And Mickey will stay as OC.


Haha.. (at least I think you're trying to be funny with the OC idea). If Trox does get the job I think you could see any number of possible coordinators. He has had some great guys on staff that left for better money away from D3.

I would bet that Sutyak at Lehigh would be a front runner for DC. At OC I'm not sure. Would Faragalli come back? I know him and Trox are still close. Maybe another former F&M guy.
Bogus Megapardus

Can anybody point to a DIII coach who went directly to a DI scholarship head coaching position and was successful? I'm not aware of one. Is the "committee" willing to bet it could make football history?
Lafalum

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Can anybody point to a DIII coach who went directly to a DI scholarship head coaching position and was successful? I'm not aware of one. Is the "committee" willing to bet it could make football history?


Agree this is not the time for business as usual at Lafayette athletics. I am hoping the consultant will have something to say!!
NE Leopard

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Can anybody point to a DIII coach who went directly to a DI scholarship head coaching position and was successful? I'm not aware of one. Is the "committee" willing to bet it could make football history?


We probably should stay away from that approach as I can't think of any either. UBuffalo Lance Leipold coach came from Wisconsin-Whitewater where he won multiple national championship, but hasn't had much success at Buffalo in 2 seasons.

http://ubbulls.com/sports/fball/coaches/leipold_lance?view=bio
Franks Tanks

NE Leopard wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Can anybody point to a DIII coach who went directly to a DI scholarship head coaching position and was successful? I'm not aware of one. Is the "committee" willing to bet it could make football history?


We probably should stay away from that approach as I can't think of any either. UBuffalo Lance Leipold coach came from Wisconsin-Whitewater where he won multiple national championship, but hasn't had much success at Buffalo in 2 seasons.

http://ubbulls.com/sports/fball/coaches/leipold_lance?view=bio


Bagnolli went from Union to Penn, but not scholarship of course.  Hiring a D3 head coach wouldn't be unprecedented, but would be unusual.
NE Leopard

Franks Tanks wrote:
NE Leopard wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Can anybody point to a DIII coach who went directly to a DI scholarship head coaching position and was successful? I'm not aware of one. Is the "committee" willing to bet it could make football history?


We probably should stay away from that approach as I can't think of any either. UBuffalo Lance Leipold coach came from Wisconsin-Whitewater where he won multiple national championship, but hasn't had much success at Buffalo in 2 seasons.

http://ubbulls.com/sports/fball/coaches/leipold_lance?view=bio


Bagnolli went from Union to Penn, but not scholarship of course.  Hiring a D3 head coach wouldn't be unprecedented, but would be unusual.


Priore went from Trinity to Stony Brook, and even though he had some success when he was in the Big South, the going has been much tougher in the CAA. It is a risk, but most likely the economy route which I'm sure is a factor.
Bogus Megapardus

Franks Tanks wrote:
NE Leopard wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Can anybody point to a DIII coach who went directly to a DI scholarship head coaching position and was successful? I'm not aware of one. Is the "committee" willing to bet it could make football history?


We probably should stay away from that approach as I can't think of any either. UBuffalo Lance Leipold coach came from Wisconsin-Whitewater where he won multiple national championship, but hasn't had much success at Buffalo in 2 seasons.

http://ubbulls.com/sports/fball/coaches/leipold_lance?view=bio


Bagnolli went from Union to Penn, but not scholarship of course.  Hiring a D3 head coach wouldn't be unprecedented, but would be unusual.


Not scholarship but otherwise about as perfect an analogy as you could make in the present circumstance (if considering F&M's Troxell). So there does appear to be precedent.
Franks Tanks

Jack Siedlecki of Yale was at WPI and Amhearst prior to being named head man as well. A good coach is a good coach, but it would be nice to have someone with experience managing a 60 scholarship roster.
Bogus Megapardus

Franks Tanks wrote:
Jack Siedlecki of Yale was at WPI and Amhearst prior to being named head man as well. A good coach is a good coach, but it would be nice to have someone with experience managing a 60 scholarship roster.


Heh . . . Jack Siedlecki was Tim Murphy's roommate when both were assistants under Bill Russo.

http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sport...tt/siedlecki_jack00.html?view=bio
Bogus Megapardus

From the wayback machine . . .

http://lafayettesports.myfreeforum.org/ftopic903-0-0-asc-.php

Note that the former carney2 opines, "the timing does not look right."
leopard88

Bill Russo was the HC at D3 Wagner before becoming the HC at Lafayette College, so it isn't unprecedented.   Razz
Pard4Life

Well... Lafayette behaves like a D3 program... any surprise why Troxell is even mentioned?  Hmm
Pard4Life

Troxell's bio never left the website... Trojan horse!!  One thing is clear though.. he can recruit...

http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/troxell_john00.html
Andy

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Andy wrote:


Easy, cheap, safe.  And Mickey will stay as OC.


Haha.. (at least I think you're trying to be funny with the OC idea). If Trox does get the job I think you could see any number of possible coordinators. He has had some great guys on staff that left for better money away from D3.

I would bet that Sutyak at Lehigh would be a front runner for DC. At OC I'm not sure. Would Faragalli come back? I know him and Trox are still close. Maybe another former F&M guy.


Lehigh fan on AGS points out there are 3 assistants on Lehigh staff who formerly worked for Troxell.
RichH

Sutyak also nrxt up for DC at Lehigh.
flyfisher

Kpard wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
John Troxell or Dave Cecchini for head coach.

Phil Stambaugh for offensive coordinator.

Tim Moncman for defensive coordinator.

Dare we think it???

You want fresh blood. There it is.


That is really quite interesting.
The new HC will of course have his own ideas about a staff.

Oh hey, I just had a thought, with all of our diversity and inclusion mandates, shouldn't we be hiring a female or non specific gender for our HC???  Rolling Eyes  Wink  Laughing  Laughing  Crying or Very sad


I am sure that will be required of Diorio. Gotta get the LGBTQ quota in. Othwise we gotta have a protest and a demonstration. Btw, what does the Q stand for in LGBTQ? I asked my son and he thought it meant Questionable, meaning those that are not sure what they are, but I thought transgender covered that quadrant.

As to who we hire, I would get someone with some previous experience with Lafayette. They need to know what they are signing up for. Beyond that, I will leave it to you guys. Our leadership has already said they don't know much about D1 sports so I don't have a lot of confidence in the hiring process. I really hope they getnsome good advice from someone. Odds are this hire will be with LC for years.
BPard

Q- used to be Queer. In recent years, it has changed to Questioning. Not Questionable.

Not sure why we're discussing this on a thread about football HC possibilities.
flyfisher

BPard wrote:
Q- used to be Queer. In recent years, it has changed to Questioning. Not Questionable.

Not sure why we're discussing this on a thread about football HC possibilities.


See earlier comments. And because our athletic director reports to some leading that charge, as evidenced by the entrance demonstration at the Lehigh game. That's why.
Bogus Megapardus

flyfisher wrote:
I am sure that will be required of Diorio. Gotta get the LGBTQ quota in.


Not so sure about LGBTQ but certainly Lafayette should be encouraging qualified black candidates.  I think that's more what the AD had in mind when he mentioned "diversity."
flyfisher

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
I am sure that will be required of Diorio. Gotta get the LGBTQ quota in.


Not so sure about LGBTQ but certainly Lafayette should be encouraging qualified black candidates.  I think that's more what the AD had in mind when he mentioned "diversity."


We have plenty of intelligent and talented minority athletes. The football team is very diverse. I don't think their demonstrations are geared toward football, or even sports in general.
LFN

You guys are missing another coaching giant that went from D-III to I-AA/FCS: a guy who coached in his last game this past weekend, Andy Talley (St. Lawrence D-III to rebuilding Villanova after they discontinued football).
LeopardBall10

flyfisher wrote:
We have plenty of intelligent and talented minority athletes. The football team is very diverse. I don't think their demonstrations are geared toward football, or even sports in general.


I don't really want to get into this here, because I really want to talk football not diversity but I'll say this having had to deal with it on both sides:

True that we have plenty of intelligent and talented black athletes, more football than anywhere else, but most of those football players feel out of place or marginalized because the rest of campus is so undiverse and the diversity is skewed so heavily male. The class of 2020 has 332 enrolled students, 42 of which identify as black and another 19 as multiracial. That looks like an ok stat, about 18% of the class as a whole. But how many of those 42 are athletes, and how many are male because of football? This is a huge issue in retaining players and also recruiting them. What do you tell a black recruit from Florida or Georgia who may see just a small handfull of black women his entire trip? This can be a deal breaker.

For years black football players have either driven to Bethlehem to party at Lehigh (and join a historically black fraternity, which is a very big deal in the south) or dated non-students from Easton. Both of these actions place these athletes at higher risk for any number of issues that can be insulated with players who party with/around each other and have the rest of the team supporting them on a nightly basis.
Andy

LeopardBall10 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
We have plenty of intelligent and talented minority athletes. The football team is very diverse. I don't think their demonstrations are geared toward football, or even sports in general.


I don't really want to get into this here, because I really want to talk football not diversity but I'll say this having had to deal with it on both sides:

True that we have plenty of intelligent and talented black athletes, more football than anywhere else, but most of those football players feel out of place or marginalized because the rest of campus is so undiverse and the diversity is skewed so heavily male. The class of 2020 has 332 enrolled students, 42 of which identify as black and another 19 as multiracial. That looks like an ok stat, about 18% of the class as a whole. But how many of those 42 are athletes, and how many are male because of football? This is a huge issue in retaining players and also recruiting them. What do you tell a black recruit from Florida or Georgia who may see just a small handfull of black women his entire trip? This can be a deal breaker.

For years black football players have either driven to Bethlehem to party at Lehigh (and join a historically black fraternity, which is a very big deal in the south) or dated non-students from Easton. Both of these actions place these athletes at higher risk for any number of issues that can be insulated with players who party with/around each other and have the rest of the team supporting them on a nightly basis.


Is it different at Colgate, Bucknell, Holy Cross?
Franks Tanks

LeopardBall10 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
We have plenty of intelligent and talented minority athletes. The football team is very diverse. I don't think their demonstrations are geared toward football, or even sports in general.


I don't really want to get into this here, because I really want to talk football not diversity but I'll say this having had to deal with it on both sides:

True that we have plenty of intelligent and talented black athletes, more football than anywhere else, but most of those football players feel out of place or marginalized because the rest of campus is so undiverse and the diversity is skewed so heavily male. The class of 2020 has 332 enrolled students, 42 of which identify as black and another 19 as multiracial. That looks like an ok stat, about 18% of the class as a whole. But how many of those 42 are athletes, and how many are male because of football? This is a huge issue in retaining players and also recruiting them. What do you tell a black recruit from Florida or Georgia who may see just a small handfull of black women his entire trip? This can be a deal breaker.

For years black football players have either driven to Bethlehem to party at Lehigh (and join a historically black fraternity, which is a very big deal in the south) or dated non-students from Easton. Both of these actions place these athletes at higher risk for any number of issues that can be insulated with players who party with/around each other and have the rest of the team supporting them on a nightly basis.


Understand completely, but how do Colgate and Bucknell do it? How does Colgate convince young African American males from Florida to attend a school in central NY?  That area is nearly 100% white, and gets as much snow as anywhere in the country.  

I know you aren't making the excuses, but this is just another excuse.  It all ties back to poor leadership from the corner office in Bourger, and his former bosses.  Which lead to terrible records, and a bunch of valid criticisms of situations which weren't corrected due to a leadership vacuum.
SixtyEighter

Al Bagnoli did OK at Penn after coaching at DIII Union.I could live with the guy (DeVanney) from Trinity. . Priore went from HC at Trinity where he preceded DeVanney to Stony Brook where he is doing  OK. His brother was a DIII assistant at Trinity before going to Penn as OC from where he succeeded Bagnoli.It's a matter of getting the right person who can extract the necessary concessions.Where Bruce has it wrong is comparable to the NFL draft  you have to get the best person availble rather than cram  someone into preconceived rigid criteria.A  candidate who can knock the ball out of the park could get passed up for a lesser candidate who fits the rigid criteria.Most of us will never even know who applies.
LeopardBall10

Franks Tanks wrote:
Understand completely, but how do Colgate and Bucknell do it?


To your and Andy's points, I am not sure and it probably isn't all that different at Gate and Bucknell. Not saying these issues are why we are unsuccessful, just trying to iterate why they should be important to athletics.
Andy

SixtyEighter wrote:
Al Bagnoli did OK at Penn after coaching at DIII Union.I could live with the guy (DeVanney) from Trinity. . Priore went from HC at Trinity where he preceded DeVanney to Stony Brook where he is doing  OK. His brother was a DIII assistant at Trinity before going to Penn as OC from where he succeeded Bagnoli.It's a matter of getting the right person who can extract the necessary concessions.Where Bruce has it wrong is comparable to the NFL draft  you have to get the best person availble rather than cram  someone into preconceived rigid criteria.A  candidate who can knock the ball out of the park could get passed up for a lesser candidate who fits the rigid criteria.Most of us will never even know who applies.


Again, Bruce did not refer to hiring a minority or to minority athletes. He said "finding someone who is committed to a diverse and inclusive environment for our students and staff."  Social agenda mumbo jumbo thrown in there for his bosses.
Andy

What I look forward to hearing from our hire:

"The administration has assured me that they are committed to funding the maximum number of scholarships allowed by the Patriot League. Thank you. Beat Lehigh!"
Kpard

Andy wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
Al Bagnoli did OK at Penn after coaching at DIII Union.I could live with the guy (DeVanney) from Trinity. . Priore went from HC at Trinity where he preceded DeVanney to Stony Brook where he is doing  OK. His brother was a DIII assistant at Trinity before going to Penn as OC from where he succeeded Bagnoli.It's a matter of getting the right person who can extract the necessary concessions.Where Bruce has it wrong is comparable to the NFL draft  you have to get the best person availble rather than cram  someone into preconceived rigid criteria.A  candidate who can knock the ball out of the park could get passed up for a lesser candidate who fits the rigid criteria.Most of us will never even know who applies.


Again, Bruce did not refer to hiring a minority or to minority athletes. He said "finding someone who is committed to a diverse and inclusive environment for our students and staff."  Social agenda mumbo jumbo thrown in there for his bosses.


This was my point. The rest was tongue in cheek.
LeopardBall10

Andy wrote:
What I look forward to hearing from our hire:

"The administration has assured me that they are committed to funding the maximum number of scholarships allowed by the Patriot League. Thank you. Beat Lehigh!"


What you are looking forward to hearing or what you heard in your Leopard-fueled dreams last night?

killaBee

Am I far off to think we can seek out and offer the best in the business?

1. Salary
2. Admissions
3. Campus make-up
4. Course outline
5. Fully funded scholarship team

Is this what I'm hearing from this board, which will be our challenges?

Will we always only compete for the Patriot League, is that our ceiling?   What did we do the 100 plus  years prior to the Patriot League?

Patriot LeagueTitles:
lehigh - 10
gate - 9
leopards- 7
H.C - 6
Rams - 3
Bucknell - 1

We are competing in the Patriot League, so what do we want?
PardDad71

killaBee wrote:
Am I far off to think we can seek out and offer the best in the business?

1. Salary
2. Admissions
3. Campus make-up
4. Course outline
5. Fully funded scholarship team

Is this what I'm hearing from this board, which will be our challenges?

Will we always only compete for the Patriot League, is that our ceiling?   What did we do the 100 plus  years prior to the Patriot League?

Patriot LeagueTitles:
lehigh - 10
gate - 9
leopards- 7
H.C - 6
Rams - 3
Bucknell - 1

We are competing in the Patriot League, so what do we want?


Not sure if your 5 points are what we can do vs Patriot League or FCS.   So I responded to PL first, FCS second

$$$    We can be near the top of the PL.
        Can't compete with schools that will emphasize sports over school

Admissions     Some PL schools tougher, some easier.  In the middle
                    Not many FCS leagues can measure up to PL and Ivy

Campus Make Up   PL very similar, Fordham an exception.  Size hurts us
                           FCS a lot of more "diverse" options, and bigger
                           
Course Outline   Need a true business major definite disadvantage in PL.
                       FCS really the same

Schollies     PL most are fully funded, especially at the top.
                 FCS redhirts definitely put us at a disadvantage.

I believe as the PL has set higher standards than most leagues regarding admissions and redshirts, our goals are to be at the top of the PL for every sport.  FCS/Playoffs are icing.   Most coaches I played for had 3-5 goals.  So here are mine

- Winning Record overall
- Win the PL
- Beat Lehigh
- Make FCS Playoffs
- Beat Lehigh
PardDad71

Improving

If I am the new coach, first thing I do is bench mark each player by position for strength, speed, endurance, quickness, athleticism, body composition.  

Then make goals for improvement on an individual basis.   Measure again at the end of spring, measure again the first day of Fall camp.  

That which gets measured gets improved.
LeopardBall10

killaBee wrote:
Am I far off to think we can seek out and offer the best in the business?

1. Salary
2. Admissions
3. Campus make-up
4. Course outline
5. Fully funded scholarship team

Is this what I'm hearing from this board, which will be our challenges?

Will we always only compete for the Patriot League, is that our ceiling?   What did we do the 100 plus  years prior to the Patriot League?

Patriot LeagueTitles:
lehigh - 10
gate - 9
leopards- 7
H.C - 6
Rams - 3
Bucknell - 1

We are competing in the Patriot League, so what do we want?


I would replace or remove Course Outline from your list. Coaches don't care if it is a liberal arts/stem/research univeristy. But I would possibly add lack of grad school. And I think those apply to all PL schools not just LC. The pool of applicants for PL head jobs is always going to be different than the top CAA or NDSU's of the FCS world. But that just means you need to think about it differently. We can't afford/attrack the well established, successful head coach from other FCS schools. So, we need to target younger, energetic coaches who have been successful as coordinators, etc. and will use the program as a stepping stone to bigger programs. That is the exact model Lehigh has used to continue to bring in great coaches (even those coordinators who leave).

And I don't think we should strive to just win in the PL. I agree with PardDad, we want to win more of our games than we lose, win the PL title, WIN a playoff game (I'm tired of being happy we made it), and Beat Lehigh.

We face a lot of stuff other conferences don't. We choose that because of what we value as members of the PL. No shame in that. But we have to understand that with that we probably won't ever win a national title save the very rare aligning of the stars. That doesn't mean we can't have a winning OOC record. That has to improve. If we can't regualry beat the middle of the pack CAA team we're doing it wrong.

And before the PL... well there is a lot of history there. Including a national championship and beating a lot of sotired programs. But that was all before the $$$ explosion and the widening inequality gap in football. Stuff to be proud of, but does not apply anymore.
LeopardBall10

Re: Improving

PardDad71 wrote:
If I am the new coach, first thing I do is bench mark each player by position for strength, speed, endurance, quickness, athleticism, body composition.  

Then make goals for improvement on an individual basis.   Measure again at the end of spring, measure again the first day of Fall camp.  

That which gets measured gets improved.


I used to think about this all the time, what would my first act as Head Coach be. And then I got out of coaching... Oh well. But I still think that I would take a page right out of Bill Walsh's "The Score Takes Care of Itself". I would schedule a personal meeting with every single person involved with the program. From the guy who cleans the toilets (We love you RICK!) to the office staff, the strength staff, and the players. The first step to turning a program around is building culture. And the way you build culture is to:
1. Let people know that you care, and that they're contribution is important
2. Set expectations from the first day. This is what I expect of you, and this is what you should expect of me. Anything else is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.
Lafalum

LeopardBall10 wrote:
killaBee wrote:
Am I far off to think we can seek out and offer the best in the business?

1. Salary
2. Admissions
3. Campus make-up
4. Course outline
5. Fully funded scholarship team

Is this what I'm hearing from this board, which will be our challenges?

Will we always only compete for the Patriot League, is that our ceiling?   What did we do the 100 plus  years prior to the Patriot League?

Patriot LeagueTitles:
lehigh - 10
gate - 9
leopards- 7
H.C - 6
Rams - 3
Bucknell - 1

We are competing in the Patriot League, so what do we want?


I would replace or remove Course Outline from your list. Coaches don't care if it is a liberal arts/stem/research univeristy. But I would possibly add lack of grad school. And I think those apply to all PL schools not just LC. The pool of applicants for PL head jobs is always going to be different than the top CAA or NDSU's of the FCS world. But that just means you need to think about it differently. We can't afford/attrack the well established, successful head coach from other FCS schools. So, we need to target younger, energetic coaches who have been successful as coordinators, etc. and will use the program as a stepping stone to bigger programs. That is the exact model Lehigh has used to continue to bring in great coaches (even those coordinators who leave).

And I don't think we should strive to just win in the PL. I agree with PardDad, we want to win more of our games than we lose, win the PL title, WIN a playoff game (I'm tired of being happy we made it), and Beat Lehigh.

We face a lot of stuff other conferences don't. We choose that because of what we value as members of the PL. No shame in that. But we have to understand that with that we probably won't ever win a national title save the very rare aligning of the stars. That doesn't mean we can't have a winning OOC record. That has to improve. If we can't regualry beat the middle of the pack CAA team we're doing it wrong.

And before the PL... well there is a lot of history there. Including a national championship and beating a lot of sotired programs. But that was all before the $$$ explosion and the widening inequality gap in football. Stuff to be proud of, but does not apply anymore.


Right on the mark,10. And it could apply to selected other sports, M/W basketball, M/W soccer, FH, W Lacrosse, and in addition baseball we should try because of the history. Our NE location hurts the effort in baseball. At least in baseball we should challenge for the PL title. That is all within our capabilities and fits our demographics and history.
Pardsfriend

Re: Improving

LeopardBall10 wrote:
PardDad71 wrote:
If I am the new coach, first thing I do is bench mark each player by position for strength, speed, endurance, quickness, athleticism, body composition.  

Then make goals for improvement on an individual basis.   Measure again at the end of spring, measure again the first day of Fall camp.  

That which gets measured gets improved.


I used to think about this all the time, what would my first act as Head Coach be. And then I got out of coaching... Oh well. But I still think that I would take a page right out of Bill Walsh's "The Score Takes Care of Itself". I would schedule a personal meeting with every single person involved with the program. From the guy who cleans the toilets (We love you RICK!) to the office staff, the strength staff, and the players. The first step to turning a program around is building culture. And the way you build culture is to:
1. Let people know that you care, and that they're contribution is important
2. Set expectations from the first day. This is what I expect of you, and this is what you should expect of me. Anything else is not acceptable and will not be tolerated.


 As a former coach, amen LB10.

I would add only additional criteria.  Prepare to succeed in every game on the field.  That is building a culture.
Andy

killaBee wrote:
Am I far off to think we can seek out and offer the best in the business?

1. Salary
2. Admissions
3. Campus make-up
4. Course outline
5. Fully funded scholarship team

Is this what I'm hearing from this board, which will be our challenges?

Will we always only compete for the Patriot League, is that our ceiling?   What did we do the 100 plus  years prior to the Patriot League?

Patriot LeagueTitles:
lehigh - 10
gate - 9
leopards- 7
H.C - 6
Rams - 3
Bucknell - 1

We are competing in the Patriot League, so what do we want?


As to admissions, of course, we have to follow the Academic Index rules, including the rules pertaining to bands and the league wide floor. The floor is the same for all members, but the bands differ based on the academic credentials of the individual schools student body.  All members may only admit a certain amount of players per band.  How LC could be hurting itself is if the admin restricts the number in the lower bands to below what the league allows, moving the numbers to the higher bands. I don't know if LC does this or not.
killaBee

Thank you for all your input, I see that position is a lot tougher than I thought.
RichH

Admissions cooperation essential for successful recruiting. Gilmore had a hostile Admissiond Dept that would not admit any liw band recruits. Since Pine vame on Cross recruiting has impprived over the last 2vtrs.with a less hostile Dept.
After talent evaluation, funding is the most crucial ingredient annually. Staff has to work the caps to max $$. Patds and Bucknell appear to be beliw PL cap for aid.
The next stage is developing the potential of the recruits. For whatever reason Pards over ladt 4 years Coaches have not done this very well..
LeopardBall10

IMO the position isn't any tougher at LC than any of our other "peers" in the PL and Ivy. We have never wanted for alumni support, we have better facilities than all of them. We all have the same Academic Index when it comes to recruiting.

And to Andy's point earlier there are times when a kid will get denied at Lafayette and get in to Colgate. But the opposite has happened too. The admissions read process is a funny one. Guys who get read early have typically fared better than guys who get read late and are compared to more players. There is a lot of emphasis on course difficulty in high school for low band guys, but that is a very subjective measure. The admissions counselor doing the read at LC may think that "AP Music Theory and Composition" is a cake walk non-core class while the reader at Lehigh may know more about that course or that school and weight it more heavily. But there is not an obvious pattern that X school is so much more strict than Y.

But, because of LC's focus on a premium education our position will never match up with the NDSU, Sam Houston St., Jacksonville St. of the FCS world.
LeopardBall10

The opening is officially posted on the NCAA Job Board: http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/8648762/head-football-coach

The job is still not posted on the Lafayette Jobs page: https://hr.lafayette.edu/category/job-opportunity/

Very generic posting, no real meat as expected. Interesting to note that out of all of the Head Football Coach vacancies out there in FBS and FCS there are only two posted to the job board, LC and Bryant. I believe that Lafayette has an internal requirement that any job be posted for at least 14 days before anyone can be hired for that position.
Pardsfriend

HC Recruitment

LeopardBall10 wrote:
The opening is officially posted on the NCAA Job Board: http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/8648762/head-football-coach

The job is still not posted on the Lafayette Jobs page: https://hr.lafayette.edu/category/job-opportunity/

Very generic posting, no real meat as expected. Interesting to note that out of all of the Head Football Coach vacancies out there in FBS and FCS there are only two posted to the job board, LC and Bryant. I believe that Lafayette has an internal requirement that any job be posted for at least 14 days before anyone can be hired for that position.


 The simple fact this was posted to a national job board is positive in itself.  On the surface, we should attract many qualified coache(s) to review and consider making application to the program.

This development is consistent with my understanding from this past weekend that we don't have a HC  ( and no leading candidate was mentioned to me).
conflictedpard

The seperation from FT is invigorating and provides alot of hope for the future.  I hope they find a good fit outside of current coaches at LC. We will lose current players. Red shirt seniors most likely won't return with a new coach. If Fein is hired as HC,  we will lose a few quality freshman.  You can't believe in his offense.
Here's the problem with Fein. He had great athletes that have come in the last few years. He has the wrong people in the wrong positions. You can't open up and offense without a threat of a qb taking off. Defense did not fear our qb taking off so we became one dimensional and never tried to change.  You have a young qb that is the "future" of LC and don't get him any snaps while getting your ass handed to you?!  You have a local kid that is a dual threat qb but bc Fein wants a pro style qb to try and run a spread offense at times. It's a contradiction.  I kept my mouth shut and avoided tailgates post game bc I do not have the willpower to keep quiet when you have morons doing the same thing over and over again and still have the same result.....losing.
Kpard

DARN! Rhule to Baylor. I guess he went south instead of north to The Hill!  Wink  Rolling Eyes  Laughing
PardDad71

Kpard wrote:
DARN! Rhule to Baylor. I guess he went south instead of north to The Hill!  Wink  Rolling Eyes  Laughing



My money is on Morehead to Temple
Kpard

PardDad71 wrote:
Kpard wrote:
DARN! Rhule to Baylor. I guess he went south instead of north to The Hill!  Wink  Rolling Eyes  Laughing



My money is on Morehead to Temple


There seems to be a lot of speculation about him moving on already. I really don't think he's going anywhere. He's not done out there at PSU yet.
LeopardBall10

Kpard wrote:
PardDad71 wrote:
Kpard wrote:
DARN! Rhule to Baylor. I guess he went south instead of north to The Hill!  Wink  Rolling Eyes  Laughing



My money is on Morehead to Temple


There seems to be a lot of speculation about him moving on already. I really don't think he's going anywhere. He's not done out there at PSU yet.


I think I agree with KPard here. Moorehead will probably the first call, but he has so much of the PSU offense coming back he may be thinking that he can come back and raise his stock even more to catapult into a higher profile job.

I would look for possible interviews of Matt Canada, the Pitt OC, an Al Golden reprise, some people think Charlie Strong (I don't see it)
PardDad71

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Kpard wrote:
PardDad71 wrote:
Kpard wrote:
DARN! Rhule to Baylor. I guess he went south instead of north to The Hill!  Wink  Rolling Eyes  Laughing



My money is on Morehead to Temple


There seems to be a lot of speculation about him moving on already. I really don't think he's going anywhere. He's not done out there at PSU yet.


I think I agree with KPard here. Moorehead will probably the first call, but he has so much of the PSU offense coming back he may be thinking that he can come back and raise his stock even more to catapult into a higher profile job.

I would look for possible interviews of Matt Canada, the Pitt OC, an Al Golden reprise, some people think Charlie Strong (I don't see it)



Gotta believe even franklin isn't dumb enough to let JM go.   Then again, the ego is an amazing thing
LeopardBall10

Other people on the board have said that the staff is out of the office or around on a limited basis. I have heard that some of the staff is on the road visiting already committed recruits while still receiving Lafayette paychecks. No new recruiting, just trying to keep the class intact. The administration has told them they are gone unless the new HC decides to keep them. With some of the names being tossed around I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two of the current staff asked to remain in similar roles, most obviously a guy like Coach Dell, in a position coach role, as an alumn, and as someone who has been involved in PL championships as a player and coach.

Coach Fein's social media has been interesting, with a recent flood of pro-Lafayette inspiration quotes and pictures. Is he trying to keep moral up for the team? Making a play for the head job? Both?

Also, does the Temple opening affect this search at all? Ruhl has some friends on the Lafayette staff but I doubt any of them go to Baylor. Depending on who gets the Temple job would a guy like Cramsey be up for the OC there? Would Loose, one of the most connected coaches in the country, have an in as the DC? Would either of them want to go to Philly?
PardDad71

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Other people on the board have said that the staff is out of the office or around on a limited basis. I have heard that some of the staff is on the road visiting already committed recruits while still receiving Lafayette paychecks. No new recruiting, just trying to keep the class intact. The administration has told them they are gone unless the new HC decides to keep them. With some of the names being tossed around I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two of the current staff asked to remain in similar roles, most obviously a guy like Coach Dell, in a position coach role, as an alumn, and as someone who has been involved in PL championships as a player and coach.

Coach Fein's social media has been interesting, with a recent flood of pro-Lafayette inspiration quotes and pictures. Is he trying to keep moral up for the team? Making a play for the head job? Both?

Also, does the Temple opening affect this search at all? Ruhl has some friends on the Lafayette staff but I doubt any of them go to Baylor. Depending on who gets the Temple job would a guy like Cramsey be up for the OC there? Would Loose, one of the most connected coaches in the country, have an in as the DC? Would either of them want to go to Philly?



Ive heard a bit different, that Fein and others are not only tending to the commits but chasing the recruits they believe they can reel in.   I cannot imagine that Fein is not trying to get the HC job, why wouldn't he (other than he sees that the sage and all knowing members on this forum have said he has no shot Smile .     From other posts, it also seems the commits are rallying amongst themselves to keep the class intact.   If it were me (and it isn't) I would prefer HC at LC as opposed to Coordinator at Temple, but you could argue its easier to get HC job at FBS as a FBS coordinator as opposed to FCS HC.
LeopardBall10

Jay Norvell was just pegged as the new head coach at Nevada. Norvell has spent his career coaching the offensive side of the ball everywhere from Nebraska, UCLA, and Texas to the Colts and Raiders. If his offenses at other FBS schools show his preferences I think we can assume that Cramsey won't be retained, but that is still not official.
Andy

PardDad71 wrote:
 From other posts, it also seems the commits are rallying amongst themselves to keep the class intact.


We have 11 verbal commitments verified. There could very well be more. Coach T. was quoted saying recruiting was going well "with only a few spots left" which could indicate a more full ride approach this year.

Of the 11 commits, 9 have reaffirmed their commitments by either retweeting or pinning their commitment statement to the top of their board. Landis is a recent commit and Kerstetter has never announced his commitment via twitter AFAIK. Looking at their "followers" it does appear that coaches from other programs are still taking their shots at some of our guys.  The reaffirmations are great to see.
Bogus Megapardus

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Jay Norvell was just pegged as the new head coach at Nevada.

Never heard of him - but Nevada didn't waste any time, did they?

EDIT - it seems that Norvell had play calling duties when he was WR coach at UTexas.  That's one of those resume details that tends to seal the deal.
The Maroon

Coach T was named head coach on December 11.

Think we'll have someone in place by Christmas?
Lafalum

The Maroon wrote:
Coach T was named head coach on December 11.

Think we'll have someone in place by Christmas?


NO way!!
zenator

Andy wrote:
PardDad71 wrote:
 From other posts, it also seems the commits are rallying amongst themselves to keep the class intact.


We have 11 verbal commitments verified. There could very well be more. Coach T. was quoted saying recruiting was going well "with only a few spots left" which could indicate a more full ride approach this year.

Of the 11 commits, 9 have reaffirmed their commitments by either retweeting or pinning their commitment statement to the top of their board. Landis is a recent commit and Kerstetter has never announced his commitment via twitter AFAIK. Looking at their "followers" it does appear that coaches from other programs are still taking their shots at some of our guys.  The reaffirmations are great to see.


Signing day is not until February and much can and likely will change. Time will tell
Pardsfriend

Selection of head coach

Lafalum wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
Coach T was named head coach on December 11.

Think we'll have someone in place by Christmas?


NO way!!


 It's my understanding that the consulting company commissioned to review and recommend improvements to our athletic teams competitive standing in the PL is separate and distinct from hiring our next head coach.  The mission of that firm is outside the scope of securing our next HC.

 In fact, there is a search firm which is leading our athletic department in acquiring suitable candidates.

 At least one of the candidates both LB10 and I have referenced, not necessarily with LC ties, is under consideration.
NE Leopard

zenator wrote:
Andy wrote:
PardDad71 wrote:
 From other posts, it also seems the commits are rallying amongst themselves to keep the class intact.


We have 11 verbal commitments verified. There could very well be more. Coach T. was quoted saying recruiting was going well "with only a few spots left" which could indicate a more full ride approach this year.

Of the 11 commits, 9 have reaffirmed their commitments by either retweeting or pinning their commitment statement to the top of their board. Landis is a recent commit and Kerstetter has never announced his commitment via twitter AFAIK. Looking at their "followers" it does appear that coaches from other programs are still taking their shots at some of our guys.  The reaffirmations are great to see.




Signing day is not until February and much can and likely will change. Time will tell


Keep in mind, many of the early commits went Early Decision (ED) which helps us because although they have not signed the Letter of Intent, they are technically committed to attending Lafayette and other schools are not allowed to accept them in. Probably ways around, but not an easy task. The ones we should be more concerned with are the recruits that did not go ED yet. Plus obviously the uncommitted...hopefully a new HC will be named earlier than later to shore up the recruiting class and help put the current team members at ease.
RichH

ED do not bar a recruit from changing his mind and going elsewhere. The NLI is the only binding agrerment on both school and recruit. ED may dissuade other coavlches from pursuing him but he is free to change his mind prior to NLI.
PardDad71

RichH wrote:
ED do not bar a recruit from changing his mind and going elsewhere. The NLI is the only binding agrerment on both school and recruit. ED may dissuade other coavlches from pursuing him but he is free to change his mind prior to NLI.



Early Decision is binding.  It has nothing to do with whether you are an athlete or not.   If ANYONE applies early decision and is accepted they have agreed to attend the university.   One of the few possible (not guaranteed) exceptions is financial hardship.   So if the student was offered any type of aid or scholarship, and that is no longer on the table they can apply for release.

You may be considering Early Action with Early Decision
RichH

ED is not a legally binding contract. There can be consequences particularly in conference and other admissions
departments.for opting out but an applicant cannot be barred from going elsewhere.
bethlehempard

ED is serious. No not that "ED."
A school can't make you attend but might try to cause problems if the student enrolls at a competitor. That is for non-athletes too.
The accepted cause for breaking an ED pact is a change in financial circumstances. If a kid switched to community college to save money, so it goes.
It's binding but not enforceable.
A coaching change is pretty serious and if another school really wants an athlete, that could cause a problem but schools respect others' ED agreements.
RichH

That is correct. The consequences can be serious in the admisdion's process. Other schools particulatly in conference may and often will decline to accept an application.
Also possible at non confetence schools.
A changevof coaches may help a schollie recruit somewhat. Dont think it would swsy otall PL admissions tho. Doubt CAA would care st all.
OPPard

Cramsey

If we get Cramsey this recruiting class becomes less do or die.  He will own the local schools.  Worry about hiring Cramsey (or Loose as a fall back) and recruiting will be fine.
Andy

Looks like Mickey has tidied up the roster. Some number changes. Dont see any defections. Cepeda remains although he tweeted that he's done.


http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lafa-m-footbl-mtt.html
Bogus Megapardus

Andy wrote:
Looks like Mickey has tidied up the roster. Some number changes. Dont see any defections. Cepeda remains although he tweeted that he's done.


http://www.goleopards.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lafa-m-footbl-mtt.html


Frank Tavani remains listed as head coach, however.
Franks Tanks

Re: Cramsey

OPPard wrote:
If we get Cramsey this recruiting class becomes less do or die.  He will own the local schools.  Worry about hiring Cramsey (or Loose as a fall back) and recruiting will be fine.


Yes.  Cramsey will recruit very well, and has a dynamic offensive system. Personally I feel that recruiting and offense are the 2 most difficult aspects to get right.  If a coach/program can figure this out, the rest can usually fall into place.  

Also lets get more local PA kids. These kids can get the job done and are tough and will stick around. I'm about done with the glory boys from other parts of her country who are more likely to leave.

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