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Bogus Megapardus

Coaching Poaching

Lafayette's assistant men's lacrosse coaches from last season's breakthrough team have, predictably, gone elsewhere.

Chris Doctor, who ran the offense, now is at Penn State in the same position.  It's lovely when the taxpayer-funded Big Brother can simply out-pay you and out-scholarship you on the public fisc.  I love how they get to compete with private schools by using state-supported extortion to fund their sports programs.

And last year's other assistant, Scott Dalgilesh (who ran the defense) now is at Brown - again in a lateral move.  

So we had one successful year, and our coaching staff gets picked apart and decimated.  The replacements that were hired at Lafayette for this season are very recent DIII college graduates with virtually no experience, but Brown and Penn State now get our experienced, winning DI assistants added to their staffs.  Way to go Pards.
Lafalum

The amount of money we pay our assistant coaches is criminal. I most cases it is no more than 7 k, less money per hour than you would pay a kid to mow your lawn. We have seen that revolving door even in the "revenue " sports like basketball where the pay is better.

Some of the coaches supplement their pay with camps and clinics and in some cases I have heard they take their meals at fraternities. The other advantage large universities have is free tuition for graduate courses.
Franks Tanks

Sorry to hear this.  With just a little support from the administration Lafayette could be a top 20 Lacrosse program.
Bogus Megapardus

Franks Tanks wrote:
Sorry to hear this.  With just a little support from the administration Lafayette could be a top 20 Lacrosse program.


The sad part is, we already were a top 20 program with the prior coaching staff.  The new recruits look to be some of the best ever, though.
Franks Tanks

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Sorry to hear this.  With just a little support from the administration Lafayette could be a top 20 Lacrosse program.


The sad part is, we already were a top 20 program with the prior coaching staff.  The new recruits look to be some of the best ever, though.


Well Top 20 on a yearly basis.  Good to hear about the recruits!
Bogus Megapardus

If anybody has and inside info, maybe you could find out -

Kyle Rice who went to McDonough school in Maryland, was one of the nation's top attackmen last year.  LaxPower (and other sources) have him confirmed/committed to Lafayette but his name does not appear on the current roster.

What happened to this kid?
Bogus Megapardus

Coaching Poaching update -

Apparently, even our head coach, Terry Mangan, was a finalist for the head coaching position at Amherst.  Mangan is the guy who came to Lafayette nine years ago and single-handedly brought this program out of the Dark Ages.

Quote:
Inside Lacrosse has learned that the open Amherst head coaching job is down to four finalists: Colby College head coach Jon Thompson, Yale assistant Ryan Polley, Lafayette head coach Terry Mangan and Brown assistant Errol Wilson. The job came open in early June when Tom Carmean resigned to take the head job at Guilford College.

Mangan was the 2010 Patriot League Coach of the Year after leading the Leopards into the national Top 10 with one of the country's best offenses. The 1988 Roanoke graduate, who has eight years of experience at Lafayette, has also coached at UMass, UMBC, Washington College, Hobart and Penn.


http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...own-mangan-wilson-thompson-polley

If Mangan had left, Lafayette would have been left with no lacrosse coaching staff whatsoever.  What the hell is going on at this place?
Lafalum

I would like to say money but I understand that they raised over six figures last year. Perhaps none of that went to salaries. Or they are tired of going from hand to mouth year after year. But we found the money to hire 30 new profs and buy puppets for the new theatre majors.


Or could the money raised result in an equal decline in school resources allocated to the program. Bottom line if the guy was happy he wouldn't be looking.
Franks Tanks

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Coaching Poaching update -

Apparently, even our head coach, Terry Mangan, was a finalist for the head coaching position at Amherst.  Mangan is the guy who came to Lafayette nine years ago and single-handedly brought this program out of the Dark Ages.

Quote:
Inside Lacrosse has learned that the open Amherst head coaching job is down to four finalists: Colby College head coach Jon Thompson, Yale assistant Ryan Polley, Lafayette head coach Terry Mangan and Brown assistant Errol Wilson. The job came open in early June when Tom Carmean resigned to take the head job at Guilford College.

Mangan was the 2010 Patriot League Coach of the Year after leading the Leopards into the national Top 10 with one of the country's best offenses. The 1988 Roanoke graduate, who has eight years of experience at Lafayette, has also coached at UMass, UMBC, Washington College, Hobart and Penn.


http://insidelacrosse.com/news/20...own-mangan-wilson-thompson-polley

If Mangan had left, Lafayette would have been left with no lacrosse coaching staff whatsoever.  What the hell is going on at this place?


I guess there would be three reasons for such a move.

1- Pay
2- Quality of life
3- Lafayette athletic department is a big mess and he wanst out before it kills his career

Would Amherst pay their head LaCrosse coach more than we do?  I believe he came from UMASS so perhaps he wants to move back to the area.  I hope #3 isnt in play here.
bison137

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
If anybody has and inside info, maybe you could find out -

Kyle Rice who went to McDonough school in Maryland, was one of the nation's top attackmen last year.  LaxPower (and other sources) have him confirmed/committed to Lafayette but his name does not appear on the current roster.

What happened to this kid?



He is enrolled at LC - just not playing lax at the moment.

Probably could be a solid PL attackman, but did not make Inside Lacrosse's list of the top 40 attackmen last year (or their list of top 100 players).
Bogus Megapardus

Of course, we didn't land any of the players in Inside Lacrosse lists, even though every other PL school landed at least one.

I guess our coaches were too busy looking for other jobs.  But I still like our freshman class.  We'll see.
Bogus Megapardus

One more thing "poaching" thing, sort of - our prolific, leading scorer from 2010, Patriot league Offensive Player of the Year Steve Serling, has transferred to Hofstra (where they give lacrosse scholarships).  Serling missed 2009 at Lafayette due to injury so he had one additional year of eligibility after graduating last spring.  He'll play at Hofstra as a graduate student.  Hofstra pulled several other "transfers" from other good DI programs this year as well.  Lacrosse is the new football in Hempstead, L.I.

The Pards play the softest DI schedule known to man next spring.  Once again it includes such heavy-hitters as Providence, Marist and Binghamton.  It does not include, once again, Johns Hopkins, Princeton or Maryland.  Fortunately it does not include Hofstra, either.
bison137

Yes, this is fairly common.   One of Bucknell's starters from last year will be starting this year for Loyola (MD) as a graduate student.   Technically not a a transfer, however, since they both he and your guy graduated.
Andy

Now that we have some knowledgeable LAX fans posting, I have a question, please.  Can a quality assumption be made based on the "ID" number on the LAXPOWER list?   Is it based on a ranking or just assigned chronologically by date that the player became known to the site or by his verbal date, etc? Thanks, guys.   (Hopkins players, for instance, are often single digits.)  

http://www.laxpower.com/recruits/...rder+by+%60College%60&page=15

When a head coach starts shopping around, I'd like to see his employer begin to bring in candidates for interview. Return the pressure.
Bogus Megapardus

Andy wrote:
Now that we have some knowledgeable LAX fans posting, I have a question, please.  Can a quality assumption be made based on the "ID" number on the LAXPOWER list?   Is it based on a ranking or just assigned chronologically by date that the player became known to the site or by his verbal date, etc? Thanks, guys.   (Hopkins players, for instance, are often single digits.)  

http://www.laxpower.com/recruits/...rder+by+%60College%60&page=15

When a head coach starts shopping around, I'd like to see his employer begin to bring in candidates for interview. Return the pressure.


Given that I have had children, nieces, nephews and cousins with laxpower.com IDs, I know of no discernible pattern other than random assignment.  I do know that laxpower was started by and is run by Hopkins alumni, though, FWIW.

Correction - the guys who write at laxpower are from Hopkins but the guy who started laxpower played for Penn and reminisces in his bio about playing against teams like Lafayette in the 1960s.

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