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bethlehempard

Colgate 2

I can't watch because I'm at a CYO game. Can somebody explain the horrendous early shooting stats? 0.688 to 0.278?
Pard4Life

That's us! We are either on or off.  Tonight we are off. Seth has taken two shots. Same with Ptansanski.  Scott Lindner and Trist doing the "scoring"... can't see it either
bethlehempard

Well, Colgate didn't sweep up this year. That was on my list of goals.
Lehigh still is my pick for the postseason.
These last two minutes have been ugly but we still have a shot at Army and the winning season was guaranteed already.
ed65

This game was an unmitigated disaster.  Giving up 95 points to Colgate is, well just unforgivable.

I continue to be stunned by how poorly LC Hoops plays against the Raiders (where basketball is a distant 2nd fiddle to hockey).
Lafalum

Ed you are understating. It was awful. We are not playing an effective defensive game. I don't whose at fault, but it will stop us from going anywhere in the playoffs.
bethlehempard

95 points is Colgate's highest total this season. They put up 88 against Morrisville State (who?).
The worst defensive game last year was IMHO the first Army game. I don't count the Seton Hall debacle, that wasn't ever a game. As for tonight, it's already deleted from the DVR.
Nice work by Nick and Dan. Dan is having a great season.
Beat Army!
Kpard

Once we got down early, it was pretty much over. Never got a flow or strung together buckets. We'd get a loose ball, trip and turn it back over.  Two of our guy fight each other for a rebound after a stop and it goes to a CU player who then makes a 3. Several sequences that were really demoralizing. Icing on the cake was pre halftime, got a bucket to cut the lead to 4 and were getting the ball first in the second half and Tillison weaves his way through guys and tosses it in from half court as the buzzer sounds.
This teams been an enigma. Inconsistent. Sigh!
If these guys can't get up for the last home game for this senior class....???
bethlehempard

It would be great to have a big crowd for the game.
Meanwhile at Colgate maybe Raider Coach Langdon has an exit plan. He is losing almost everybody. I wonder if the transfer route discourages four-year players from committing. When their junior seasons come around, new guys are ahead of them.
Lafalum

Yes I noticed four transfers with their big guy from Ohio University who is 24 years old.
Kpard

The game Saturday is at Noon and NOT 2PM as printed on the tickets. I plan to get there early to help honor the seniors.
I hope they bring it...early!
Kpard

Lafalum wrote:
Yes I noticed four transfers with their big guy from Ohio University who is 24 years old.


Perhaps someone can explain the NCAA transfer situation to me. Coaches are not allowed to contact the players. How do these things pile up like this at Colgate and in recent past American? We've had transfers, but, they have been one offs not multiples like these guys are pulling in.
NewXbo

It could be that these players were recruited by Colgate, American, etc. when they were in high school. The players may have thought they were better than Colgate and signed with Monmouth, Bradley, JMU, Ohio U., etc. After sitting on the bench for a year or two, Colgate looked more attractive and they contacted the coach and asked if they were still interested. Its probably pretty difficult to recruit in the land of ice and snow so you take what you can get.
bison137

Kpard wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Yes I noticed four transfers with their big guy from Ohio University who is 24 years old.


Perhaps someone can explain the NCAA transfer situation to me. Coaches are not allowed to contact the players. How do these things pile up like this at Colgate and in recent past American? We've had transfers, but, they have been one offs not multiples like these guys are pulling in.



Colgate has two transfers from four-year colleges on their active roster this year, plus two more who are sitting out per NCAA bylaws.   There are several ways a coach might get together with a potential transfer.   One is that there is already a relationship, with the coach having recruited the player out of HS.   Then if a player is unhappy with his current situation, he will contact one or more coaches who recruited him - either by first getting permission from his current school or by using an intermediary such as his AAU or HS coach.   I know that Langel recruited two of the current CU transfers - Rivard (who is sitting out) and Tillotson - when they were in HS.   He may have also had a relationship with the others.

Even without a relationship, players who transfer will obviously be looking for  schools/coaches who are transfer-friendly and who are at a low-enough level where they are likely to earn playing time.   CU has moved itself into that position on both counts.  

Additionally, a school needs to have scholarships available in the spring.  That usually leaves out the more stable PL programs, who typically have all 13 of their scholarships committed for the following year.   Colgate (and American and Boston U), however, have enough churn that there are usually spots open.  Additionally, CU has been such an awful destination for basketball that they usually can't find enough players in the fall signing period to use up their scholarships.   That has been true every year that Langel has been there.   Thus they still have available scholarships in the spring when potential transfers emerge.

Colgate has desperately needed to find transfers - since Langel has had very little success attracting decent recruits out of HS.  Certainly less success than Emmett Davis had.   CU has a poor basketball tradition, terrible facilities, and an average attendance of less than 500.   Not a recipe for recruiting success.
Pard4Life

bethlehempard wrote:
Well, Colgate didn't sweep up this year. That was on my list of goals.
Lehigh still is my pick for the postseason.
These last two minutes have been ugly but we still have a shot at Army and the winning season was guaranteed already.


You call this a winning season?
adcs2

Watching Colgate last night was like watching what should have been for the Pards this year - a senior-laden squad playing with confidence, trusting their scheme and trusting their teammates.  

Instead, it seems like Lafayette can never get all five of its starters playing well at the same time. Not since the calendar turned to 2015 at least. Disappointing end for what had been an enjoyable group to watch for much of the last 3-1/2 years - especially the 2012-13 season.
pards123

Kpard wrote:
The game Saturday is at Noon and NOT 2PM as printed on the tickets. I plan to get there early to help honor the seniors.
I hope they bring it...early!


Jeez, thanks for the heads up. ESPN app says 2 as well
carney2

Pard4Life wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
Well, Colgate didn't sweep up this year. That was on my list of goals.
Lehigh still is my pick for the postseason.
These last two minutes have been ugly but we still have a shot at Army and the winning season was guaranteed already.


You call this a winning season?


Exactly!  This bunch of seniors looked as if they were truly ready to do some remarkable things as sophomores.  Since then they have absolutely stunk the place out.  The cupboard will be bare when they're gone.  The cupboard has been bare while they were here.
gopards81

Colgate 2

Oh my!

Joey gets scorched by Newsome for 28 points (almost twice his average of 14.9) with no production on the offensive end.

Bryce gets demolished by Roh for 21 points (more than twice his average of 9.9).  Roh 9 for 9 from field.

Seth goes back to shooting threes with no desire to play inside.  Only 1 offensive rebound.  It's hard to get offensive rebounds when you hang around the three point arch.

And ohhhhh Nick.  Did soooo well with his STATS.  30 points, 6 assists.  So proud of him.  But we don't win games when the point guard has to control every single possession.  Haven't figured that out yet? Hold the ball, hold the ball, hold the ball.  Make sure he gets the assist if not the basket.

Arrrgh. Frustrating to watch!
bison137

Re: Colgate 2

gopards81 wrote:
Oh my!

And ohhhhh Nick.  Did soooo well with his STATS.  30 points, 6 assists.  So proud of him.  But we don't win games when the point guard has to control every single possession.  Haven't figured that out yet? Hold the ball, hold the ball, hold the ball.  Make sure he gets the assist if not the basket.

Arrrgh. Frustrating to watch!



Is the only reason you post to criticize Lindner (I know how to spell his last name even if you don't)?   The rest of the league, including its coaches, think he's a hell of a player.  As for how he is playing, he is running the offense the way FOH wants him to.
bethlehempard

We will have a winning season and it's not over yet. After going 13-17 in a typical year since the 2000 season, I'll take it.
I agree on Nick. He isn't going rogue.
I would like to see Musters out there a bit more. He works hard on the court and somebody big has to be there next year.
As for transfers: notable transfers in were Pleick from Drake (robbed of a year) and Knitter (Delaware, we could use a guy like him).
Transfers out were Tom Best to St. Peter's and Jamaal Douglas to Eastern Kentucky.
Among others.
Transfers are often city kids coming home. Transferring to Hamilton is just plain weird. B137's take on available scholarships sounds right.
Pard4Life

carney2 wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
Well, Colgate didn't sweep up this year. That was on my list of goals.
Lehigh still is my pick for the postseason.
These last two minutes have been ugly but we still have a shot at Army and the winning season was guaranteed already.


You call this a winning season?


Exactly!  This bunch of seniors looked as if they were truly ready to do some remarkable things as sophomores.  Since then they have absolutely stunk the place out.  The cupboard will be bare when they're gone.  The cupboard has been bare while they were here.


We gave a pass on last year because Seth was hurt.  He was not this year and well... he has been invisible at times.  We did well in preseason, maybe because we are a one trick pony and teams were not used to us? Whereas in PL all know our game?

Another transfer is Kenny Grant, left for Davidson... and that three point sniper from Missouri.
Kpard

bethlehempard wrote:
We will have a winning season and it's not over yet. After going 13-17 in a typical year since the 2000 season, I'll take it.
I agree on Nick. He isn't going rogue.
I would like to see Musters out there a bit more. He works hard on the court and somebody big has to be there next year.
As for transfers: notable transfers in were Pleick from Drake (robbed of a year) and Knitter (Delaware, we could use a guy like him).
Transfers out were Tom Best to St. Peter's and Jamaal Douglas to Eastern Kentucky.
Among others.
Transfers are often city kids coming home. Transferring to Hamilton is just plain weird. B137's take on available scholarships sounds right.


Frank Barr from Hofstra
Andy

Re: Colgate 2

bison137 wrote:
gopards81 wrote:
Oh my!

And ohhhhh Nick.  Did soooo well with his STATS.  30 points, 6 assists.  So proud of him.  But we don't win games when the point guard has to control every single possession.  Haven't figured that out yet? Hold the ball, hold the ball, hold the ball.  Make sure he gets the assist if not the basket.

Arrrgh. Frustrating to watch!



Is the only reason you post to criticize Lindner (I know how to spell his last name even if you don't)?   The rest of the league, including its coaches, think he's a hell of a player.  As for how he is playing, he is running the offense the way FOH wants him to.


Thank you, 137.  This guy has an axe to grind with Lindner. Beat his kid out in AAU or something. If everyone had the toughness and desire that Nick has we'd be so much better.  How does someone watch that game and come away with criticism of Lindner?  In a huge game, one of their last as Leaopards, home court, and with seeding at stake, how do Seth and Joey combine for 9 points?  Yikes.

This is why I dont join in on the "winning season" stuff. The record that counts is the conference record. In any sport.

Freeland playing while Klinewski sits doesnt seem to make much sense to me.
Andy

Thanks to the 3 dozen or so students who showed up.  Game like that in my day, we'd have been rocking the old gym.  You old timers know what I'm talking about..
carney2

Way back - Rich Congo transferred to Drexel.
bethlehempard

Bucknell was the big draw in my day in the late 70s. Also there was a crazy Rider game.
Later, Lehigh when they had Queenan and Polaha. Even at Stabler, put a couple thousand fans in there and it's a good atmosphere.
After a tough loss to the Bison in Lewisburg, Chipman said, "We will beat them at Kirby and it won't be by one point." And he did.
One game against Bucknell led to some student discipline even in that freer era.
Franks Tanks

Kpard wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
We will have a winning season and it's not over yet. After going 13-17 in a typical year since the 2000 season, I'll take it.
I agree on Nick. He isn't going rogue.
I would like to see Musters out there a bit more. He works hard on the court and somebody big has to be there next year.
As for transfers: notable transfers in were Pleick from Drake (robbed of a year) and Knitter (Delaware, we could use a guy like him).
Transfers out were Tom Best to St. Peter's and Jamaal Douglas to Eastern Kentucky.
Among others.
Transfers are often city kids coming home. Transferring to Hamilton is just plain weird. B137's take on available scholarships sounds right.


Frank Barr from Hofstra


I also remember Drew Dawson came from UNH.  We also had a player transfer from Drake named Andrew Pleick.  10-15 years ago Fran brought in some quality transfers and more athletic players without scholarships.
bison137

Franks Tanks wrote:
Kpard wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
We will have a winning season and it's not over yet. After going 13-17 in a typical year since the 2000 season, I'll take it.
I agree on Nick. He isn't going rogue.
I would like to see Musters out there a bit more. He works hard on the court and somebody big has to be there next year.
As for transfers: notable transfers in were Pleick from Drake (robbed of a year) and Knitter (Delaware, we could use a guy like him).
Transfers out were Tom Best to St. Peter's and Jamaal Douglas to Eastern Kentucky.
Among others.
Transfers are often city kids coming home. Transferring to Hamilton is just plain weird. B137's take on available scholarships sounds right.


Frank Barr from Hofstra


I also remember Drew Dawson came from UNH.  We also had a player transfer from Drake named Andrew Pleick.  10-15 years ago Fran brought in some quality transfers and more athletic players without scholarships.



More recently Jeff Kari.


Technically maybe Andrew Brown, but he transferred twice (out and back again) in about three weeks.
Lafalum

Andy wrote:
Thanks to the 3 dozen or so students who showed up.  Game like that in my day, we'd have been rocking the old gym.  You old timers know what I'm talking about..


Most teams hated to play in the old alumni gym. The players barely had room on the sidelines and students did some grabbing  on out of bounds plays. Speaking of rocking, I remember an overtime game when Bill Bradley and Princeton came to alumni gym. You couldn't fit one more person in the building.

More recently 5 or six years ago there was a great crowd out at Lehigh when Weiss got upset at student rowdiness.Perhaps our students were tired yesterday from the events of sex week!! Lehigh refused to sell more tickets to Lafayette fans. I went online to get tickets and had to sit in a Lehigh section. I still get spam for Lehigh events today.
Kpard

Re: Colgate 2

Andy wrote:
bison137 wrote:
gopards81 wrote:
Oh my!

And ohhhhh Nick.  Did soooo well with his STATS.  30 points, 6 assists.  So proud of him.  But we don't win games when the point guard has to control every single possession.  Haven't figured that out yet? Hold the ball, hold the ball, hold the ball.  Make sure he gets the assist if not the basket.

Arrrgh. Frustrating to watch!



Is the only reason you post to criticize Lindner (I know how to spell his last name even if you don't)?   The rest of the league, including its coaches, think he's a hell of a player.  As for how he is playing, he is running the offense the way FOH wants him to.


Thank you, 137.  This guy has an axe to grind with Lindner. Beat his kid out in AAU or something. If everyone had the toughness and desire that Nick has we'd be so much better.  How does someone watch that game and come away with criticism of Lindner?  In a huge game, one of their last as Leaopards, home court, and with seeding at stake, how do Seth and Joey combine for 9 points?  Yikes.

This is why I dont join in on the "winning season" stuff. The record that counts is the conference record. In any sport.

Freeland playing while Klinewski sits doesnt seem to make much sense to me.


Agree
Agree
Agree
carney2

Pard4Life wrote:
We gave a pass on last year because Seth was hurt.


No pass.  That team lost 11 in a row, including a loss to every team in the Patriot League.  I said it at the time and I repeat,

Was the team comprised of Seth Hinrichs and a bunch of guys from the intramural league?  

They were playing against Patriot League competition, not the ACC.  One of the worst performances in memory by any Lafayette team, and we've had way too many stinkers over the years.

Raise your hand if you're fed up with losing - at absolutely everything.  And to reinforce how the culture of losing has permeated Lafayette from top to bottom, there are folks on this board who seem overjoyed that this team will end the season a game or two over .500.  Bill Russo was right, that's real athletic accomplishment by Lafayette standards.  

WE WON'T GET BETTER UNTIL WE DEMAND BETTER!!!!!

ACCEPT - AND APPLAUD - MEDIOCRITY AND YOU ARE MEDIOCRE.
Lafalum

carney2 wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
We gave a pass on last year because Seth was hurt.


No pass.  That team lost 11 in a row, including a loss to every team in the Patriot League.  I said it at the time and I repeat,

Was the team comprised of Seth Hinrichs and a bunch of guys from the intramural league?  

They were playing against Patriot League competition, not the ACC.  One of the worst performances in memory by any Lafayette team, and we've had way too many stinkers over the years.

Raise your hand if you're fed up with losing - at absolutely everything.  And to reinforce how the culture of losing has permeated Lafayette from top to bottom, there are folks on this board who seem overjoyed that this team will end the season a game or two over .500.  Bill Russo was right, that's real athletic accomplishment by Lafayette standards.  

WE WON'T GET BETTER UNTIL WE DEMAND BETTER!!!!!

ACCEPT - AND APPLAUD - MEDIOCRITY AND YOU ARE MEDIOCRE.


It starts at the top!!
leopard88

bethlehempard wrote:
Bucknell was the big draw in my day in the late 70s. Also there was a crazy Rider game.
Later, Lehigh when they had Queenan and Polaha. Even at Stabler, put a couple thousand fans in there and it's a good atmosphere.
After a tough loss to the Bison in Lewisburg, Chipman said, "We will beat them at Kirby and it won't be by one point." And he did.
One game against Bucknell led to some student discipline even in that freer era.


I remember a great crowd at the game against Bucknell in 1985.

As for Lehigh, I would point out the things that used to be chanted at Queenan and Polaha, but this is a family establishment.
pards123

We've been saying it for years. What has to happen for something to actually be done? All I'm asking for is a new athletic director who won't shy away from holding coaches accountable.
The Maroon

Re: Colgate 2

Andy wrote:
bison137 wrote:
gopards81 wrote:
Oh my!

And ohhhhh Nick.  Did soooo well with his STATS.  30 points, 6 assists.  So proud of him.  But we don't win games when the point guard has to control every single possession.  Haven't figured that out yet? Hold the ball, hold the ball, hold the ball.  Make sure he gets the assist if not the basket.

Arrrgh. Frustrating to watch!



Is the only reason you post to criticize Lindner (I know how to spell his last name even if you don't)?   The rest of the league, including its coaches, think he's a hell of a player.  As for how he is playing, he is running the offense the way FOH wants him to.


Thank you, 137.  This guy has an axe to grind with Lindner. Beat his kid out in AAU or something. If everyone had the toughness and desire that Nick has we'd be so much better.  How does someone watch that game and come away with criticism of Lindner?  In a huge game, one of their last as Leaopards, home court, and with seeding at stake, how do Seth and Joey combine for 9 points?  Yikes.

This is why I dont join in on the "winning season" stuff. The record that counts is the conference record. In any sport.

Freeland playing while Klinewski sits doesnt seem to make much sense to me.


I haven't exactly been a moderating machine lately - but I went through some old posts - and Gopards81 has crossed the line and I'm going on a 24 hour rule to see if I want to make his diatribes magically disappear.

It's a sports discussion board and while, unfortunately, that means sometimes we have to say negative things about someones play - anonymously calling into question a kids character (stats over wins) behind an anonymous username isn't what we're about! We've been discussing on this forum for about a decade and managed to cover a lot of great stuff without disparaging the kids.

Along those lines - I Don't know what else Lindner could have done on Wednesday - they don't keep stats on well placed passes that wind up in missed shots from close range - he had plenty of those.

I honestly think pretty weak foul shooting and that dang 3-pointer from 50 feet out at the buzzer to end the first half played a huge part. We shoot up to standards and he doesn't make that 3 we're probably tied at the half despite struggling.

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