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bethlehempard

Colgate game thread, because somebody had to do it.

Colgate is up 7-0.
Bogus Megapardus

Looking like crap
bethlehempard

Passing worked. Therefore we had the usual delayed handoff for no gain. Five attempts, three yards. We are on our pace!
Time to punt!
bethlehempard

Huge sack by Hinchen after Colgate's 60-yard or so pass.
It's all about the moments. Rarely the game and never the season.
Yards per catch : 3.7
Yards per carry : 0.6
Yardage: Colgate 130 Lafayette 29

10-0

This has the potential to be the worst FCS defeat of the season.

With breaks, it's only 10-0, the Pards could get back in, but even a disappointing Colgate squad is no Central Connecticut.

Now it's 16-0. Gate has 220 yards to Lafayette's 36.
Now 17-0.

Go Pards! Keep it within 40!
pardfan

inability of OL to do its job week after week drags the whole team down
Franks Tanks

Typical Lafayette football game.  Everybody on defense is confused or out of position.  We don't understand the concept of contain, don't feel like tackling and can't cover anyone despite having 5 DB's on the field at all times.

Who's excited for next week?
Franks Tanks

pardfan wrote:
inability of OL to do its job drags the whole team down


It's hard to watch.  But guess what nothing will change for as long as Frsnk is here so we get to watch this again next year it seems!
pardfan

For the last week or so I've had this feeling that I don't want to go to the telecast party(?) v. Lehigh   That's a first.  I would be surprised if I go.  Is that wrong, doctor?
bethlehempard

Melville has about 85 rushing yards. Lafayette has 11.
flyfisher

Franks Tanks wrote:
Typical Lafayette football game.  Everybody on defense is confused or out of position.  We don't understand the concept of contain, don't feel like tackling and can't cover anyone despite having 5 DB's on the field at all times.

Who's excited for next week?

my son doesn't share much of this with me however a close friend and customer has now been a side judge in 2 of our games and his comments are similar to Tanks comments
edge29

That call made zero sense. Smh
bethlehempard

We are getting close to "giving up" time. I think I saw a little of that at Bucknell but it's hard to tell as a fan.
24-0. Total yards, 301 to 74.
Drew is still firing. 24-6.
Franks Tanks

flyfisher wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Typical Lafayette football game.  Everybody on defense is confused or out of position.  We don't understand the concept of contain, don't feel like tackling and can't cover anyone despite having 5 DB's on the field at all times.

Who's excited for next week?

my son doesn't share much of this with me however a close friend and customer has now been a side judge in 2 of our games and his comments are similar to Tanks comments


The offense has the same issues, but the defense was on the fiend when I commented.
pardfan

I say keeping Frank next year at the helm is no longer an option
bethlehempard

pardfan wrote:
I say keeping Frank next year at the helm is no longer an option

If he is back, even with an heir apparent, fans must boycott.
bethlehempard

       Lafayette.  Colgate.
1st Downs 8 12
3rd down efficiency 4-9 3-6
4th down efficiency 0-1 1-1
Total Yards 139 301
Passing 106 163
Comp-Att 11-21 10-12
Yards per pass 5.0 13.6
Interceptions thrown 0 0
Rushing 33 138
Rushing Attempts 11 20
Yards per rush 3.0 6.9
Penalties 1-5 2-25
Turnovers 0 0
Fumbles lost 0 0
Interceptions thrown 0 0
Possession 13:24 16:36
Bogus Megapardus

Franks Tanks wrote:
pardfan wrote:
inability of OL to do its job drags the whole team down

It's hard to watch.



That's the story of Lafayette football for the last two seasons.  It should be the program's new tag line . . . .
    LAFAYETTE COLLEGE FOOTBALL - It's Hard to Watch
Franks Tanks

Make Lafayette Football mediocre again
Bogus Megapardus

Halftime interview - touting Kaity McKittrick for AD?
artanis

Halftime chat.

John Leone: "Coach, seemed like the offense showed signs of life with that hurry up approach. Might we see more of that in the second half?"

Coach: "Well, we also need to keep the ball from Melville..."
Franks Tanks

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Halftime interview - touting Kaity McKittrick for AD?


If we need someone to stay on budget and make inoffensive tweets then may as well keep Bruce.
Zeus

Just in case you missed the commercials on the board at home games, you were lucky enough to have that half time interview.
flyfisher

Franks Tanks wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Halftime interview - touting Kaity McKittrick for AD?


If we need someone to stay on budget and make inoffensive tweets then may as well keep Bruce.


his tweets and that view isn't so popular after Tuesday. Lafayette may be about political correctness but not everyone is.
Bogus Megapardus

artanis wrote:
Halftime chat.

John Leone: "Coach, seemed like the offense showed signs of life with that hurry up approach. Might we see more of that in the second half?"

Coach: "Well, we also need to keep the ball from Melville..."


bethlehempard

This board has always been non-political. It's not my board, that's just how it's been. Politics can kill a sports board and those of us who don't care about Twitter are a little mystified by why it matters.

What's killing our teams is a lack of talent and coaching. Nothing else.

Meanwhile back to football:

Melville has 141 rushing yards. Lafayette has 62.
bethlehempard

That penalty was 100% needless. Struggling to stay in the game and do something like that intentionally.
Zeus

No one is talking about politics on this board, rather college employees using their college accounts to push their agendas. They are getting bold and just not hiding it anymore.
Bogus Megapardus

bethlehempard wrote:
This board has always been non-political. It's not my board, that's just how it's been. Politics can kill a sports board and those of us who don't care about Twitter are a little mystified by why it matters.


Agreed.  But sometimes Lafayette admin and faculty politics directly affect football.
flyfisher

sorry Bethlehempard. cool. however it is part of our culture which is part of the problem. carry on. back to the game.
bethlehempard

Zeus wrote:
No one is talking about politics on this board, rather college employees using their college accounts to push their agendas.


Something that is not unique to Lafayette or colleges or any organization.
I will agree to disagree and drop this. I don't follow or use Twitter and 98 percent of what I see repeated from Twitter is pointless.
bethlehempard

When games get to this point, and they usually do, I wonder why we haven't seen Blake or somebody else more often. I don't think anybody but our two seniors has taken a snap all year. That probably won't change against Lehigh.
flyfisher

bethlehempard wrote:
Zeus wrote:
No one is talking about politics on this board, rather college employees using their college accounts to push their agendas.


Something that is not unique to Lafayette or colleges or any organization.
I will agree to disagree and drop this. I don't follow or use Twitter and 98 percent of what I see repeated from Twitter is pointless.


every college is not like that. go south of the Mason Dixon.
Franks Tanks

flyfisher wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Halftime interview - touting Kaity McKittrick for AD?


If we need someone to stay on budget and make inoffensive tweets then may as well keep Bruce.


his tweets and that view isn't so popular after Tuesday. Lafayette may be about political correctness but not everyone is.


Are you saying Bruce was making political tweets?  If he did they are no longer there.
bethlehempard

This is horrid. The Lehigh game will surely be about the same.
Next year promises to be no better.
Good day gentlemen, I'm going to rake leaves and walk my dog (wife and youngest son on a trip to Florida and I'm enjoying the quiet).
I may skip next week's game. If so I'll make a "tickets available" post.
I've seen enough bad football. I should have gone to the Muhlenberg at Moravian game down the road.
SixtyEighter

sons told me he saw a Colgate quote that Lafayette was a DIII team in a DI league.Looks like the glove fits.
flyfisher

agre with above comment. we can't redshirt. why pKay a younger QB? some things I don't inderstand
Andy

We are in dire need of a new staff and new players. Pathetic tackling and absolutely inept line play. Tavani - "It is what it is."  I'm sick to my stomach. Please end this travesty.
Bogus Megapardus

I'm just shaking my head.  Gate manhandled us.  We looked like we didn't belong on the same field.
Bogus Megapardus

SixtyEighter wrote:
sons told me he saw a Colgate quote that Lafayette was a DIII team in a DI league.Looks like the glove fits.


I suppose so.  But we're not a DIII college and we never have been.  Thoughts of DIII are just unacceptable.
bethlehempard

Lafayette     Colgate
First Downs 15 19
3rd down efficiency 4-16 3-12
4th down efficiency 0-2 1-1
Total Yards 249 437
Passing 202 202
Comp-Att 24-41 15-23
Yards per pass 4.9 8.8
Interceptions thrown 0 0
Rushing 47 235
Rushing Attempts 28 36
Yards per rush 1.7 6.5
Penalties 6-45 6-66
Turnovers 0 0
Fumbles lost 0 0
Interceptions thrown 0 0
Possession 31:21 28:39

Fordham 54 Holy Cross 14
Bucknell 21 Georgetown 7

Lehigh was off. Presumably they watched this and weren't intimidated.
flyfisher

we need to end this D3 talk. We have D1 facilities and structure. No excuse to go backwards. Plus, you don't save that much money, especially for what you would lose.

I realize this is a football conversation and I know I am stating the obvious, but it's not just a football problem. Every single team we have is a losing team. it goes beyond   Frank.
bethlehempard

Massey ratings
1-NDSU
21-Villanova*
25-Lehigh*
36-Princeton*
50-Fordham*
55-Colgate*
58-Delaware*
75-Bucknell*
85-Holy Cross*
89-Incarnate Word
94-Yale
95-Lafayette
96-Elon
97-Columbia
100-Georgetown*
104-CCSU*
122-Davidson
125th and last, Arkansas Pine Bluff

*2016 opponent

At 100 and below: Georgetown, CCSU, Robert Morris and Austin Peay. The rest in triple digits are from the PFL, SWAC and MEAC.

Army* is No. 96 in the FBS.
Lafalum

flyfisher wrote:
we need to end this D3 talk. We have D1 facilities and structure. No excuse to go backwards. Plus, you don't save that much money, especially for what you would lose.

I realize this is a football conversation and I know I am stating the obvious, but it's not just a football problem. Every single team we have is a losing team. it goes beyond   Frank.


That is the main point and what the study should concentrate on!!
bethlehempard

The Hamilton perspective:

http://gocolgateraiders.com/news/...afayette-38-17.aspx?path=football

• Colgate defensive lineman Victor Steffen: (On the seven sacks) "We didn't try to dress it up with any kind of fancy blitzes. We just had four experienced linemen out there and we rushed four. Very vanilla, but we ended up doing pretty well with it."

Vanilla, yes, but against Lafayette.
NE Leopard

bethlehempard wrote:
Massey ratings
1-NDSU
21-Villanova*
25-Lehigh*
36-Princeton*
50-Fordham*
55-Colgate*
58-Delaware*
75-Bucknell*
85-Holy Cross*
89-Incarnate Word
94-Yale
95-Lafayette
96-Elon
97-Columbia
100-Georgetown*
104-CCSU*
122-Davidson
125th and last, Arkansas Pine Bluff

*2016 opponent

At 100 and below: Georgetown, CCSU, Robert Morris and Austin Peay. The rest in triple digits are from the PFL, SWAC and MEAC.

Army* is No. 96 in the FBS.


At least we beat the 2 ranked below us Very Happy
ed65

Two weeks to prepare for Jake and the read option, and the team could not stop it. The defensive players are too slow maybe - I really don't know.  When you look at how ND stopped Army and how 'Gate lost 6 games, I have the feeling we just don't have the players on D or the defensive coach doesn't know what to do. Disappointing to say the least.  

Not to forget, we got the score to 24-17 in the 3rd Quarter and simply died as the team has done all season.
leopard88

ed65 wrote:
Not to forget, we got the score to 24-17 in the 3rd Quarter and simply died as the team has done all season.


The game was carried live on MASN this week.  It was one of the rare times when I could watch the game on TV without having to worry about streaming it and using Chromecast.

I was disappointed that our boys couldn't score when they got to within 24-17.  That said, I was actually impressed to see that the team fought back after the score reached 24-0.  They could have very easily rolled over at that point.
edge29

ed65 wrote:
Two weeks to prepare for Jake and the read option, and the team could not stop it. The defensive players are too slow maybe - I really don't know.  When you look at how ND stopped Army and how 'Gate lost 6 games, I have the feeling we just don't have the players on D or the defensive coach doesn't know what to do. Disappointing to say the least.  

Not to forget, we got the score to 24-17 in the 3rd Quarter and simply died as the team has done all season.


I completely disagree.  We DO have the players.  For some reason, our players are not motivated enough to play their hardest.  There were players out there on Sat who made play after play a year or 2 ago.  You wouldn't even know are on the field against CU.  Is that completely their fault?  In the end, they're still kids who would respond to "leaders" when motivated.  We obviously don't have that person/people.
SixtyEighter

Five sacks in the fourth quarter and a totally senseless personal foul penalty plus everything Frank said to the papers indicts the coaches.All the excuses Frank alludes to are directly attributable to coaching. This team doesn't commit a lot of penalties but when they do they are killers.The offensive line play has been totally subpar all season. On average I would say the team plays competently for about a quarter of the game even when it wins and slips into its malaise the rest of the time. Usually they are climbing back into the game after being bludgeoned at the start.This week may stir the somnolent because it will be a another blowout but in front the season's biggest crowd.
LeopardBall10

ed65 wrote:
Two weeks to prepare for Jake and the read option, and the team could not stop it. The defensive players are too slow maybe - I really don't know.  When you look at how ND stopped Army and how 'Gate lost 6 games, I have the feeling we just don't have the players on D or the defensive coach doesn't know what to do. Disappointing to say the least.  

Not to forget, we got the score to 24-17 in the 3rd Quarter and simply died as the team has done all season.


Army is a tooooootally different offense than 'Gate. Literally no one out there is running the 'Gate offense. Dan Hunt took the Auburn/Gus Malzhan/Nevada offenses combined with the old school Gate run game and added some wrinkles. Truly innovative.

I think we have the players (some of them), but definitely not the motivation to play hard, sound, gap control defense.  We have seen Loose and Link both try to stop it to no avail. I honestly don't think PL school has had success stopping it. Gate scored more than 20 pts in every loss this year outside of the Orangmen. Not trying to validade the effort, just pointing out that this is a different animal that has not been figured out yet. The true triple option, or flex option teams have a set formula to beat. If you follow the formula and the players execute you win.
ed65

edge29 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
Two weeks to prepare for Jake and the read option, and the team could not stop it. The defensive players are too slow maybe - I really don't know.  When you look at how ND stopped Army and how 'Gate lost 6 games, I have the feeling we just don't have the players on D or the defensive coach doesn't know what to do. Disappointing to say the least.  

Not to forget, we got the score to 24-17 in the 3rd Quarter and simply died as the team has done all season.


I completely disagree.  We DO have the players.  For some reason, our players are not motivated enough to play their hardest.  There were players out there on Sat who made play after play a year or 2 ago.  You wouldn't even know are on the field against CU.  Is that completely their fault?  In the end, they're still kids who would respond to "leaders" when motivated.  We obviously don't have that person/people.


Edge: you are quite right to disagree.  I wish I could disagree with myself - I was just discouraged that with two weeks to prepare for the read option, we couldn't stop it.  It is symbolic of my frustration with LC Althletics and I may be more frustrated than some of you bec. I have been watching this so long -but I hang in there.  I did suggest coaching may be a fault as well - which is probably the real issue.
ed65

LeopardBall10 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
Two weeks to prepare for Jake and the read option, and the team could not stop it. The defensive players are too slow maybe - I really don't know.  When you look at how ND stopped Army and how 'Gate lost 6 games, I have the feeling we just don't have the players on D or the defensive coach doesn't know what to do. Disappointing to say the least.  

Not to forget, we got the score to 24-17 in the 3rd Quarter and simply died as the team has done all season.


Army is a tooooootally different offense than 'Gate. Literally no one out there is running the 'Gate offense. Dan Hunt took the Auburn/Gus Malzhan/Nevada offenses combined with the old school Gate run game and added some wrinkles. Truly innovative.

I think we have the players (some of them), but definitely not the motivation to play hard, sound, gap control defense.  We have seen Loose and Link both try to stop it to no avail. I honestly don't think PL school has had success stopping it. Gate scored more than 20 pts in every loss this year outside of the Orangmen. Not trying to validade the effort, just pointing out that this is a different animal that has not been figured out yet. The true triple option, or flex option teams have a set formula to beat. If you follow the formula and the players execute you win.


Leopard ball: I REALIZE the Army offense is different but your talk of "sound, gap control defense" somehow doesn't get through to our players.  Perhaps you can tell us why not.
LeopardBall10

ed65 wrote:
your talk of "sound, gap control defense" somehow doesn't get through to our players.  Perhaps you can tell us why not.


Here's my opinion (not that it matters since I've traded in my clipboard for a calculator). The issue everyone has with the Colgate offense is that it is designed to always have the right play call. No matter what the defense does, the Gate offense should have a right answer, because they are reading a defender and making decisions based on that read. This also causes major headaches with gap control defense, because every time the QB carries the ball they gain an extra blocker that didn't exists in the "old school" blocking schemes.

So, what do you do when your opponent is reading you and making the correct decision based on that read? For decades, when playing the triple option, the rule of thumb has always been to tell the person being read to sit or "feather the play" to slow the read down, make the read harder, and allow the rest of the defense to catch up to the play. This method of defensive play is being applied to the Gate offense even though they schemes are so different. IMO the Gate offense hopes the defense sits and waits. By waiting you allow the Gate offense to dictate the play based on your decision so you are always wrong. What if you decided, as a defense that you were going to dictate to them? You know someone is going to be read on every play. So, what if, instead of waiting that player attacked and eliminated the read? If you eliminate the read you as a defense now know what decision is going to be made and how to attack it. By taking this approach you also create a faster defense who is not sitting on their heels waiting to be read each play, and you could force the QB into making bad reads and bad decisions to make the negative plays the Gate offense so rarely makes.
ed65

flyfisher wrote:
we need to end this D3 talk. We have D1 facilities and structure. No excuse to go backwards. Plus, you don't save that much money, especially for what you would lose.

I realize this is a football conversation and I know I am stating the obvious, but it's not just a football problem. Every single team we have is a losing team. it goes beyond   Frank.


DIII talk is unnecessary: see Alison's webcast last night.
zenator

ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
we need to end this D3 talk. We have D1 facilities and structure. No excuse to go backwards. Plus, you don't save that much money, especially for what you would lose.

I realize this is a football conversation and I know I am stating the obvious, but it's not just a football problem. Every single team we have is a losing team. it goes beyond   Frank.


DIII talk is unnecessary: see Alison's webcast last night.


Edge:

Forgive me for being lazy, but do not want to listen to the 1 hour plus webcast. What did the pres. say?
Lafalum

zenator wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
we need to end this D3 talk. We have D1 facilities and structure. No excuse to go backwards. Plus, you don't save that much money, especially for what you would lose.

I realize this is a football conversation and I know I am stating the obvious, but it's not just a football problem. Every single team we have is a losing team. it goes beyond   Frank.


DIII talk is unnecessary: see Alison's webcast last night.


Edge:

Forgive me for being lazy, but do not want to listen to the 1 hour plus webcast. What did the pres. say?


1. We are committed to div one and the patriot league
2. She is personally unfamiliar with Div 1 since she came from a Div 3 school so hiring a consultant seemed to be the appropriate thing to do.
3. Two non bot alumni appointed to the committee
4. Other appointees from faculty, Bot, coaches and admin not disclosed
5. study had a target date for completion of April 15
6. Consultant not named

Her comments were in the last minutes of the webcast probably due to the number of questions! This webcast was probably designed as an infomercial for the plan and campaign.
zenator

Lafalum wrote:
zenator wrote:
ed65 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
we need to end this D3 talk. We have D1 facilities and structure. No excuse to go backwards. Plus, you don't save that much money, especially for what you would lose.

I realize this is a football conversation and I know I am stating the obvious, but it's not just a football problem. Every single team we have is a losing team. it goes beyond   Frank.


DIII talk is unnecessary: see Alison's webcast last night.


Edge:

Forgive me for being lazy, but do not want to listen to the 1 hour plus webcast. What did the pres. say?


1. We are committed to div one and the patriot league
2. She is personally unfamiliar with Div 1 since she came from a Div 3 school so hiring a consultant seemed to be the appropriate thing to do.
3. Two non bot alumni appointed to the committee
4. Other appointees from faculty, Bot, coaches and admin not disclosed
5. study had a target date for completion of April 15
6. Consultant not named

Her comments were in the last minutes of the webcast probably due to the number of questions! This webcast was probably designed as an infomercial for the plan and campaign.


Laf:
Thanks. Big relief. Go Pards.

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