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Daaleman leaves Leopards

Lafayette's freshman, Peter Daaleman, has decided to give up basketball! He will remain as a student at Lafayette.
Rather than putting my foot in my mouth and say something I will regret, I'll shake my head and sign off.
TheRock90

So what's the story Refrider? Was he a project or expected to contribute this season? Does this open up another scholarship for next season? Give us the details.
sasquatch

Peter was not a scholarship player, rather a recruited walk on.  Word is his heart was not in it.  On a positive note looks like Giese has game and will compete for time at the 3/4 spot.  Willen is recovering rapidly from foot surgery and should be back at full strength well before the first game.

My bad, source on campus gave me bad data, he is a scholly and is planning to stay for the school year.
Kiltedpard

So we have freshmen class of 2 replacing our senior class of 1 (Brown). 7 sophmores with only one having some game (Willen) I still don't see how scholarships has helped this program.
Lafalum

Its not the scholarships without which we would have no hope of ever being competitive.
bison137

I'm puzzled.    Maybe someone could clear up these two questions that I have:

1.   I've read comments in the past that FOH has three scholarships each year that he has to use.    No carryovers.    If that is correct and if Daaleman wasn't a scholarship player, then that would mean he only gave out two scholarships this year.    Can he now carry them over, or did he just throw away a chance to use a scholarship, or was Daaleman in fact a scholarship player (see below)?


2.   Relative to #1,  there were several articles in N.C. newspapers that specifically stated that he signed a national letter of intent, i.e that he received a scholarship  (see examples below).    So my question is: how certain is it that he did not have a scholarship from LC?

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"at 6-10, Daaleman was a major defensive threat and usually an effective scorer inside all season for the Wildcats. He also caught the eye of several coaches last summer, playing scholastic league ball and with Bob MacKinnon's AAU team along with East classmate Will Pollit (who said Daaleman was "a great player, offensively and defensively" in AAU ball.) He signed his letter of intent to play at Lafayette last week, with a ceremony attended at ECH by teammates, coach Ray Hartsfield and his parents.

Others: Daaleman looked at Holy Cross and some other schools before narrowing his choices to Wofford ("small"), William & Mary ("nice school") and Lafayette ("I wanted to play up north.")

Why Lafayette, really? "When we started the while recruiting process, we were looking to get the right fit both academically and athletically. Coach (Fran) O'Hanlon came down in December I and visited there. What really did it was watching a practice. Everyone was so enthusiastic and committed. I could really see myself being part of that."

Most people here don't know: The Leopards were the last team in the Patriot League to offer full athletic scholarships . . . "

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cac...1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us



Or from the East Chapel Hill H.S. site:  "Peter Daaleman signs letter of intent to play at Lafayette ... senior Wildcat Peter Daaleman signed his national letter of intent ..."

Also from the McCall blog:  "there's joy galore in College Hill with the annoucement that 6-10 Peter Daaleman is part of the Leopards' 2013 scholarship class."
Kiltedpard

So, if you give a kid a scholarship for a sport, and he/she enrolls and then says, you know what, I really don't want to play that sport any more, do they then forfeit their scholarship?

Can anyone help here?
bison137

Kiltedpard wrote:
So, if you give a kid a scholarship for a sport, and he/she enrolls and then says, you know what, I really don't want to play that sport any more, do they then forfeit their scholarship?

Can anyone help here?



Under NCAA rules, if he has an athletic scholarship, LC would no longer have to honor the scholarship if he stopped playing the sport.    I don't know if LC would voluntarily give him the scholarship until the end of the academic year or not.

Theoretically all athletic scholarships are only one year contracts anyway, but most higher-quality schools will not non-renew a player's scholarship if he has a good attitude and is doing OK academically.    However, there are some coaches (e.g. Albany's Will Brown) who will cut a player loose if he's not performing well or if a better option comes along.
Lafalum

for Bison 137
Unitil this year, it was 3 scholarships per year, use or lose it.  That policy has now changed, the scholarship, if he had one gets carried forward. As to his, he will drop into the regular student pool for aid. I don't know whether that is applicable this semester or not. I would hope it applies this semester. A promise is a promise.
bison137

Lafalum wrote:
for Bison 137
Unitil this year, it was 3 scholarships per year, use or lose it.  That policy has now changed, the scholarship, if he had one gets carried forward. As to his, he will drop into the regular student pool for aid. I don't know whether that is applicable this semester or not. I would hope it applies this semester. A promise is a promise.



thanks.
Kiltedpard

Lafalum wrote:
for Bison 137
Unitil this year, it was 3 scholarships per year, use or lose it.  That policy has now changed, the scholarship, if he had one gets carried forward. As to his, he will drop into the regular student pool for aid. I don't know whether that is applicable this semester or not. I would hope it applies this semester. A promise is a promise.


and a contract is a contract if he did indeed sign a letter of intent.
TheRock90

KIltedpard, I don't understand what point you are making with your last statement?
Kiltedpard

TheRock90 wrote:
KIltedpard, I don't understand what point you are making with your last statement?


meaning that if he agreed to come to play and now he is not, then he should lose the athletic scholarship.
sasquatch

Edited my previous post, I was given bad data.  He is staying in school for the balance of this school year, which is paid up by scholarship.  Scholarships are re-upped annually.  Other news Petkovich and Giese have the H1N1 flu and Visockas is still on crutches.
Lafalum

So he does have a scholarship and is not playing? So essentially Fran has lost a scholarship in the process!!!! That's great.
Franks Tanks

Lafalum wrote:
So he does have a scholarship and is not playing? So essentially Fran has lost a scholarship in the process!!!! That's great.


He will keep the scholarship for just this year.  As stated above scholarships are renewed annually and are usually only pulled if someone quits the teams or is involved in breaking team rules or the law.  His scholarship this year is tied up with him no matter what, but it will be free for next year.
Lafalum

That's better than than losing it forever but Fran has still lost a player and the school has 50,000 dollars lost to it.
bison137

Since this type of situation is rare, I had never looked closely at the wording of the National Letter of Intent before.    Apparently the only thing the athlete has to do to meet his one-year commitment and get a 100% free ride is to attend the school.    He is not required to even show up for a practice to keep his scholarship for that year.      I'd like to see somewhat tougher terms unless a player quits due to some injury or serious personal issue.  

I guess the only good news for FOH is that Daaleman was likely a project who was rarely going to get onto the floor this year anyway.
TheTruth

bison137 wrote:
Since this type of situation is rare, I had never looked closely at the wording of the National Letter of Intent before.    Apparently the only thing the athlete has to do to meet his one-year commitment and get a 100% free ride is to attend the school.    He is not required to even show up for a practice to keep his scholarship for that year.      I'd like to see somewhat tougher terms unless a player quits due to some injury or serious personal issue.  

I guess the only good news for FOH is that Daaleman was likely a project who was rarely going to get onto the floor this year anyway.


This policy follows basic financial policy.  If a student gets a financial aid grant, it's for the entire year.  Don't think we need tougher policies, the coach needs to do a better job with recruiting and communicating with the student-athlete.  Even if you strip the student's scholarship immediately, the coach can't use it until the next recruiting season anyway.  

This happens more than you think.  We just don't hear about it much in Patriot League basketball.
carney2

sasquatch wrote:
On a positive note looks like Giese has game and will compete for time at the 3/4 spot.


It has been stated here more than once that if Fran can recruit one kid per year "with game" and fill in around those 3 or 4 (depending on attrition) kids, we'd have an actual team.  Last year Willen was the recruit "with game."  Everyone has been assuming that this year's freshman class is a void in that respect but now you are throwing Giese out there as maybe making it two in a row for our recruiting wizards.  Any hope that this is not just more smoke and mirrors?
bison137

TheTruth wrote:


This happens more than you think.  We just don't hear about it much in Patriot League basketball.



Do you know of any other PL scholarship players who have done this?    I cannot think of any.
Lafalum

I have to agree with Bison on this. I can't think of any Div 1 freshman scholarship player that has done this. Injuries yes, red shirting yes, quitting no!!
Kiltedpard

It has been stated here more than once that if Fran can recruit one kid per year "with game" and fill in around those 3 or 4 (depending on attrition) kids, we'd have an actual team.  Last year Willen was the recruit "with game."  Everyone has been assuming that this year's freshman class is a void in that respect but now you are throwing Giese out there as maybe making it two in a row for our recruiting wizards.  Any hope that this is not just more smoke and mirrors?[/quote]

I certainly hope that Johnson has "some game" since we have no point guard!
TheTruth

Lafalum wrote:
I have to agree with Bison on this. I can't think of any Div 1 freshman scholarship player that has done this. Injuries yes, red shirting yes, quitting no!!


You guys are kidding right?????  18 year olds change their minds all the time.  They get away from home out of their comfort zone, get cold feet, see they are no longer the best on the field, etc.  It happens.  I graduated with guy who transfered from Maryland (football).  Quit the team his freshman year and transfered to Lafayette for the academics.  We thought we got a stud but he just wanted to be a doctor and never played football again.  I hear he is a damn fine one now.  

Kids get to school and things happen.  I'm not letting anyone off the hook, Fran or Daalmen.  but it happens.  Like I said in my original post (which none of you read), you don't see it often in the Patriot League.

Back to basketball.
Kiltedpard

Kids get to school and things happen.  I'm not letting anyone off the hook, Fran or Daalmen.  but it happens.  Like I said in my original post (which none of you read), you don't see it often in the Patriot League.
[/quote]

Not blaming anyone, not pointing fingers or anything, Just scratching my head as to why this seems to happen to us? We seem to have more than our share of this stuff. Kids transfer out, go back to Sweden, don't want to play ball anymore????? Confused
Lafalum

Kiltedpard wrote:


Not blaming anyone, not pointing fingers or anything, Just scratching my head as to why this seems to happen to us? We seem to have more than our share of this stuff. Kids transfer out, go back to Sweden, don't want to play ball anymore????? Confused


Exactly!!! But this is worse. The guy quits before even stepping on the court.....after getting a full ride!!! Geez! That is 50 k that could have been used somewhere else in the department!!!
RichH

Itdoes happen, look at Lehigh couple of years back we had a couple of small forwards from Canada I think in back to back years that came and left w/o suiting up once.
Kiltedpard

Does this have something to do with the our assistant coaches revolving door?
Lafalum

RichH wrote:
Itdoes happen, look at Lehigh couple of years back we had a couple of small forwards from Canada I think in back to back years that came and left w/o suiting up once.


Those were scholarships kids???
bison137

RichH wrote:
Itdoes happen, look at Lehigh couple of years back we had a couple of small forwards from Canada I think in back to back years that came and left w/o suiting up once.



The one scholarship SF from Canada that I recall was Greg Page, but he suited up for two years.    After leaving the team, I believe he continued to attend LU and graduated.
RichH

Stewart  forget his 1st name a 6'6" small forward from Canada. Recall page perhaps he is the other I was thinking of. Stewart enrolled on roster. Then quit prior to season. Think he went back to Canada.

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