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carney2

Delaware Post Mortem

No offense.

No defense.

But we have a field goal kicker.

And the express to Mediocrity chugs on.  Just another year in the Land of Tavani.

Not looking like a team with much hope right now.

Your turn.
2012Pard

Obviously a mess of a game.  I'm curious how it would've turned out in better weather.  Pretty sure yesterday was the first time it's rained since July.  Had anyone on the field handled a wet football since the spring?

Note:  I have never played football in any organized league, so I don't really know what I'm talking about.
Pard4Life

For anyone thinking this is a power CAA team... the computer places them squarely as a middle ranked Patriot League team.
bethlehempard

It's more proof that there is no good reason to visit the State of Delaware. None.
Put this one behind and forget it ever happened.
carney2

bethlehempard wrote:
It's more proof that there is no good reason to visit the State of Delaware. None.
Put this one behind and forget it ever happened.


Not possible.  This was such a monumental opportunity and to see it just fumbled and bumbled away is ... well, just unforgivable.  When the final words are written about this season, this game will still, to me, hurt the worst.  Delaware will not be this vulnerable again.  We blew it!
Andy

carney2 wrote:
Not possible.  This was such a monumental opportunity and to see it just fumbled and bumbled away is ... well, just unforgivable.  When the final words are written about this season, this game will still, to me, hurt the worst.  Delaware will not be this vulnerable again.  We blew it!


Sums it up perfectly. I agree with carney!  I actually feel physically ill over that game.
Andy

The responsibility for that horror show is on the players, not the coaches.
bethlehempard

A winning record for the full season is now very unlikely. Certainly we have a good shot at everybody but Fordham. We have to get there first.
flyfisher

Andy wrote:
The responsibility for that horror show is on the players, not the coaches.


Correct.
And we did blow a great opportunity. Delaware was an athletic team but as stupid as predicted. And poorly coached as well. They gave us every chance. We did get it done.
Tribe4SF

flyfisher wrote:
Andy wrote:
The responsibility for that horror show is on the players, not the coaches.


Correct.
And we did blow a great opportunity. Delaware was an athletic team but as stupid as predicted. And poorly coached as well. They gave us every chance. We did get it done.


I agree. Watched on TV and was surprised that the Pards seemed to lack any fire until the final drive when they again fumbled. KO return game was awful, and usually a strength.
BillS

Tribe4SF wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Andy wrote:
The responsibility for that horror show is on the players, not the coaches.


Correct.
And we did blow a great opportunity. Delaware was an athletic team but as stupid as predicted. And poorly coached as well. They gave us every chance. We did get it done.


I agree. Watched on TV and was surprised that the Pards seemed to lack any fire until the final drive when they again fumbled. KO return game was awful, and usually a strength.
We need some Sunshine....Give the kid a chance to prove himself and maybe it will give the team some new found energy. GOPARDS!
SixtyEighter

I believe responsibility for this  this dreadful loss lies squarely in the shoulders of the coaches.Poor tackling, terrible turnovers and lack of execution are all coaching failures.I don't think the defense played horribly, but just bad enough to lose.They couldn't overcome the pitiful offensive play. This team is and has been all about wasting opportunities.If you take away the 3 yard drive which only a miracle could have stopped only12 points were yielded.Our offense scored 9 for us and at least 7 for Delaware.The worst defensive failure was to fail to stop Delaware at the end to get the ball back and prevent the last field goal  and to give us a final chance. It shouldn't have had to come to that if the offense hadn't failed to take advantage of so many opportunities throughout the game. The roughing the kicker early in the game was a special teams blunder but it was a ticky-tack call because the Lafayette player appeared to slide 5 yards on the wet turf on his belly and the delaware kicker did a pirouette/flop.However all in all the Leopards have earned their two losses and their 37 Sagarin rating which will fall even farther after this pathetic showing.They had 250+ yards rushing to our 55 or so.Offesively this team is simply incapable of putting enough good plays together to complete an 80 yard drive.This incapacity is mostly self inflicted.The reasons lie both with the coaches and the players.In the final analysis I think the coaches have failed to prepare the players to be in a position to win without the players shooting themselves in the foot or succumbing to poor play calling.I will give kudos for the onside kick which was then  wasted.It was the best call of the season so far.
ELB

Was in a remote location with only intermittent internet connectivity.  My excitement to finally receive the game feed was tempered by having to watch the Keystone Cops in action.
Andy

I agree 68 that the offense has been bad.  Losing your top QB to start the season didnt help, and we have basically an entire new O line. The line has been better than most expected. DeSean is excellent. We could use some speed at receiver for some different routes and bubbles. But overall the O just seems to bog down. No flow, no momentum. The "drive" where Mayfield ran up the middle twice and them a failed short pass on third down was a head scratcher.

I definitely disagree that muffed snaps, fumbles, fumbled KOs, a perfectly thrown pass intercepted through the hands of the receiver, football dropping out of the QBs hands when he goes to throw, and the rest of the circus act can be blamed on coaching.

That we were, in our second game and that game in particular, still in "extension of camp" mode having to get your starting QB some reps was also unfortunate. Obviously he was out of sync missing 2 open receivers early.

ELB - "Keystone Cops" is perfect.
flyfisher

Andy is right. This wasn't coaching.

And for those of you that seem convinced Frank is dying to run the ball, the plan yesterday was to try to take advantage of the DB's and LB's. Their D line was as good as expected. We planned to throw the ball. The weather made it tough. My point is Frank did not have his hands all over the offense. We had a good plan and did not execute for a variety of reasons.
Pard4Life

That may very well be true. I couldn't see the first half. Our pass game is merely just an extension of the run in most cases: keep it within ten yards.

My question though is why is there an excuse every year?

2010: we lost everybody and everyone is inexperienced
2011: lack of scholarships are hurting and the admin screwed us
2012: injuries and bad apples
2013: no depth and injuries
2014: scholarship guys are just getting their legs
2015: it's an extension of camp: still learning
BillS

Pard4Life wrote:
That may very well be true. I couldn't see the first half. Our pass game is merely just an extension of the run in most cases: keep it within ten yards.

My question though is why is there an excuse every year?

2010: we lost everybody and everyone is inexperienced
2011: lack of scholarships are hurting and the admin screwed us
2012: injuries and bad apples
2013: no depth and injuries
2014: scholarship guys are just getting their legs
2015: it's an extension of camp: still learning
And in Frank's final year next season there will be another excuse! Let's face it the best we can hope for in the next 2 years is beating  lehigh....Geez and I'm optimistic most of the time !
NewXbo

Regardless of the sport, there are two phases that you have to master. First, you have to learn how to play and then you have to learn how to win. Just about every year you need to replace experienced players with less experienced players. They need to learn how to play, usually by making mistakes. When they eliminate the mistakes, they now know how to play. They then have to learn how to win. Losing is part of the learning how to win.
Andy

NewXbo wrote:
Regardless of the sport, there are two phases that you have to master. First, you have to learn how to play and then you have to learn how to win. Just about every year you need to replace experienced players with less experienced players. They need to learn how to play, usually by making mistakes. When they eliminate the mistakes, they now know how to play. They then have to learn how to win. Losing is part of the learning how to win.


Thanks, Knute.   Where in all that do they learn to snap the ball when the QB is looking?
whatthefrank?

flyfisher wrote:
Andy is right. This wasn't coaching.

And for those of you that seem convinced Frank is dying to run the ball, the plan yesterday was to try to take advantage of the DB's and LB's. Their D line was as good as expected. We planned to throw the ball. The weather made it tough. My point is Frank did not have his hands all over the offense. We had a good plan and did not execute for a variety of reasons.


fly -  I get that Frank does not block or tackle anyone.  But it is one thing to say the right thing an another to "DO" the right thing.  In my opinion Franks teams have had the same MO.  for years - They all lack consistent play- at this point it should be a well oiled machine and every year it seems the same - good talent, two good plays negated by one god awful one.  At some point after years of tripping over the same rock, surely the bulk of the blame most land on the head guy???
Pard4Life

whatthefrank? wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Andy is right. This wasn't coaching.

And for those of you that seem convinced Frank is dying to run the ball, the plan yesterday was to try to take advantage of the DB's and LB's. Their D line was as good as expected. We planned to throw the ball. The weather made it tough. My point is Frank did not have his hands all over the offense. We had a good plan and did not execute for a variety of reasons.


fly -  I get that Frank does not block or tackle anyone.  But it is one thing to say the right thing an another to "DO" the right thing.  In my opinion Franks teams have had the same MO.  for years - They all lack consistent play- at this point it should be a well oiled machine and every year it seems the same - good talent, two good plays negated by one god awful one.  At some point after years of tripping over the same rock, surely the bulk of the blame most land on the head guy???


Precisely. You could say in some years, there are just too many new guys to expect much before becoming a better team in the second half.  I understand that.  Every year, you have new guys and more in some years than others in key spots.

But why, every year, does it look like the SAME script?  If it's not the secondary or QB play, it's the OL and kicking game.  If it's not the OL or kicking game, it's the QB play and secondary... ?

Just look at Fordham!  They lose 10 of 11 starters on defense and their top weapons on offense, and they beat an FBS in week one and get in a heavyweight battle with the #2 team in the nation! That's coaching!  You need more than talent and good recruiting to win a game... look at Texas!
Pard4Life

BillS wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
That may very well be true. I couldn't see the first half. Our pass game is merely just an extension of the run in most cases: keep it within ten yards.

My question though is why is there an excuse every year?

2010: we lost everybody and everyone is inexperienced
2011: lack of scholarships are hurting and the admin screwed us
2012: injuries and bad apples
2013: no depth and injuries
2014: scholarship guys are just getting their legs
2015: it's an extension of camp: still learning
And in Frank's final year next season there will be another excuse! Let's face it the best we can hope for in the next 2 years is beating  lehigh....Geez and I'm optimistic most of the time !


Oh man, have you converted Bill?  I like your optimism of 9-2 every year!
Pard4Life

Andy wrote:
The responsibility for that horror show is on the players, not the coaches.


Yes, it happens... balls are not meant to be elliptical... but when there are so many mistakes?  It comes down to mental preparation and readiness.  You can understand a key blunder or mistake in one instance... even Nick Saban's guys make mistakes... but when there is an avalanche of them week after week?

I'm not looking at this from an X-Os standpoint, but from a managerial and psychological standpoint.  You usually have a good staff, but how can you get them motivated and perform?  It comes down to focus and teaching...
carney2

BillS wrote:
And in Frank's final year next season there will be another excuse! Let's face it the best we can hope for in the next 2 years is beating  lehigh....Geez and I'm optimistic most of the time !


Do you know something that we don't or is this just you being optimistic again?
Pard4Life

carney2 wrote:
BillS wrote:
And in Frank's final year next season there will be another excuse! Let's face it the best we can hope for in the next 2 years is beating  lehigh....Geez and I'm optimistic most of the time !


Do you know something that we don't or is this just you being optimistic again?


He is being optimistic... Frank's contract that is expiring in 2016 will undoubtedly be renewed.
Pard4Life

A very active Delaware fan and poster on AGS posted this... I can believe it:

So after the lightning delays, we come back out for some more football, and I would be willing to make a very very large wager that there were probably 700 or fewer fans left in the entire stadium. I would like to give a special shout out to Frank Tavani for having security and the police called on the fans in our section because the cheering was upsetting to his players. After security talked to the first fan and he insisted that since he wasn't using foul language, threats, or throwing anything they either needed to arrest him or get out of his way because he wasn't going to stop cheering, security was put in a bit of a pickle. Officer Saville, who had stayed at the bottom of the steps, laughed and said he didn't even understand why Tavani had called him there and they weren't going to do anything, at which point they left and the fans went back to getting on Tavani's nerves.

So thanks Lafayette, that was a first for me, haha.
Andy

Pard4Life wrote:
A very active Delaware fan and poster on AGS posted this... I can believe it:

So after the lightning delays, we come back out for some more football, and I would be willing to make a very very large wager that there were probably 700 or fewer fans left in the entire stadium. I would like to give a special shout out to Frank Tavani for having security and the police called on the fans in our section because the cheering was upsetting to his players. After security talked to the first fan and he insisted that since he wasn't using foul language, threats, or throwing anything they either needed to arrest him or get out of his way because he wasn't going to stop cheering, security was put in a bit of a pickle. Officer Saville, who had stayed at the bottom of the steps, laughed and said he didn't even understand why Tavani had called him there and they weren't going to do anything, at which point they left and the fans went back to getting on Tavani's nerves.

So thanks Lafayette, that was a first for me, haha.


Wow! Really on a crusade bringing that over from AGS.  Broadcast zoomed in on a few fans. Looked like they were from the cast of Deliverance.  "Cheering", I'll bet.  So what. Win the game!
Bogus Megapardus

For those who enjoy torturing themselves, the replay is up:

http://livestream.com/lafayette/lafayettefootball-15-16

Two separate streams this week - first half and second half.
flyfisher

On a slightly different topic, the PL got swept yesterday by the CAA. Lehigh got pistol whipped by JMU, Colgate beat soundly by UNH, Fordham fell to Villanova but gave them a good fight, and we missed an opportunity at Delaware. I felt the two surprises were Bucknell getting handled by Duquesne and then Georgetown easily handles Marist.

We are all disappointed after yesterday's loss. It was a missed opportunity. Even though in preseason we expected to be 0-2, we got our hopes up for this one, and rightfully so. As usual about 4 plays were the turning point in that game.

As usual many here are ready to throw in the towel before the first New England frost however this team has potential. We do seem a little lost in offense. Not a reflection on anyone, just seem to be missing a little leadership. We all know who this would have been. Not saying it is the QB's job. QB has not been our leader for a couple of years. Just seem to be missing a little something. Last year it was Ross and Luke. Before that Crosby and Mark Ross. O-line is still young, WR is young, QB in a state of flux, RB young. Not sure who it will be. We need a little swagger. Defense seems to be developing. Roberts, Smalley, D-line coming around and keeping blockers off the Lbers, Bryant and Dodd making plays, Benchko filling in, though we do miss Brockman. He is a definte leader. Should get Parham and Vickers and the sr Zataveski back this week.

Big week coming up. Chance to get the season on track. In fact next two weeks are big. Two years ago we had the leadership to overcome a 1-4 start while many here were already looking toward basketball season. Not sure this team can. We need a win. Princeton at our place. Should be a fun Saturday night. Looking forward to it as I sit here and do paperwork in the car on the long drive home.
Bogus Megapardus

Pard4Life wrote:
A very active Delaware fan and poster on AGS posted this... I can believe it:

So after the lightning delays, we come back out for some more football, and I would be willing to make a very very large wager that there were probably 700 or fewer fans left in the entire stadium. I would like to give a special shout out to Frank Tavani for having security and the police called on the fans in our section because the cheering was upsetting to his players. After security talked to the first fan and he insisted that since he wasn't using foul language, threats, or throwing anything they either needed to arrest him or get out of his way because he wasn't going to stop cheering, security was put in a bit of a pickle. Officer Saville, who had stayed at the bottom of the steps, laughed and said he didn't even understand why Tavani had called him there and they weren't going to do anything, at which point they left and the fans went back to getting on Tavani's nerves.

So thanks Lafayette, that was a first for me, haha.


Tavani would not have taken the time to call security unless there was a good reason.  He's been around long enough to differentiate between a threat and mere heckling.  With due deference to Officer Saville, I'm sure he's accustomed to diffusing rowdy students by using a calm demeanor and avoiding harsh or accusatory language.
Bogus Megapardus

flyfisher wrote:
We are all disappointed after yesterday's loss. It was a missed opportunity. Even though in preseason we expected to be 0-2, we got our hopes up for this one, and rightfully so. As usual about 4 plays were the turning point in that game.


Correct, fly - In my predictions we lose to Delaware.  What makes this frustrating of course is that the Pards clearly were in the game and had every opportunity to pull out a win.

We didn't play a great game but I'm sure most Delaware fans don't think they played a good game either.
Bogus Megapardus

Anyone - what's the status of Tim Vangelas?
Pard4Life

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Anyone - what's the status of Tim Vangelas?


Suspended four games for eating candied yams instead of the required peas at Marquis dinning hall
Pards Rule

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Anyone - what's the status of Tim Vangelas?


I saw him lined up on one play the last drive and thought "where the hell has he been?" Also can Blake run? Jeez a couple plays they could have done that and surprised the sh*t out of the Hens!
Andy

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Anyone - what's the status of Tim Vangelas?


Sorry, bogie, IDK. Out all preseason.   Nick Zateveski did play briefly at LT yesterday. DT Labudev DNP.  Parham of course held out again (hamstring) in the wet conditions.
SIDELINER

I seem to think a hamstring tear has kept Vangelas out all this time. That is a shame, too, but Palumbo and Mrazek are making good catches. They just need more time. They are big targets with differing skills.

So, if we have to make a choice of quarterbacks at this point, to which one -- Reed or Searfoss -- would you hand the keys to the Cadillac?  It's time to go with one and to put away the quick hook. Searfoss may be more ready at this point because of sheer playing time, but I think Reed gives the better long-range option. Searfoss seems a little too interested in throwing back-shoulder passes rather than leading the receiver. That worked for Mark Ross and has worked for Mrazek, but it can also burn you. I liked the 49-yarder to Mrazek on Saturday; I didn't like another flea-flicker attempt on which the receiver had to play defender to avoid an interception. Searfoss didn't throw it far enough.

Nick Zataveski played on Saturday, but he was called for a false start and then he never got back in. Parham was not even dressed.
flyfisher

That flea flicker pass by Searfoss totally slipped out of his hand. It wobbled pretty bad. He can get it out there if he needs. For those of you that were not there, the conditions were the worst I have ever been in for a football game.
Andy

Reinhard - http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...otball-follow-20150913-story.html
LeopardBall10

flyfisher wrote:
On a slightly different topic, the PL got swept yesterday by the CAA. Lehigh got pistol whipped by JMU, Colgate beat soundly by UNH, Fordham fell to Villanova but gave them a good fight, and we missed an opportunity at Delaware. I felt the two surprises were Bucknell getting handled by Duquesne and then Georgetown easily handles Marist.

We are all disappointed after yesterday's loss. It was a missed opportunity. Even though in preseason we expected to be 0-2, we got our hopes up for this one, and rightfully so. As usual about 4 plays were the turning point in that game.

As usual many here are ready to throw in the towel before the first New England frost however this team has potential. We do seem a little lost in offense. Not a reflection on anyone, just seem to be missing a little leadership. We all know who this would have been. Not saying it is the QB's job. QB has not been our leader for a couple of years. Just seem to be missing a little something. Last year it was Ross and Luke. Before that Crosby and Mark Ross. O-line is still young, WR is young, QB in a state of flux, RB young. Not sure who it will be. We need a little swagger. Defense seems to be developing. Roberts, Smalley, D-line coming around and keeping blockers off the Lbers, Bryant and Dodd making plays, Benchko filling in, though we do miss Brockman. He is a definte leader. Should get Parham and Vickers and the sr Zataveski back this week.

Big week coming up. Chance to get the season on track. In fact next two weeks are big. Two years ago we had the leadership to overcome a 1-4 start while many here were already looking toward basketball season. Not sure this team can. We need a win. Princeton at our place. Should be a fun Saturday night. Looking forward to it as I sit here and do paperwork in the car on the long drive home.


I ended up stuck at a company function with no service and didn't even know a score until after the delay. I can't say I wish I would have watched the whole game, but I'll echo the board that this was such an opportunity squandered.

But to Fly's point, there is a lot of season left. I hope this team has the has good enough leaders in the locker room to pull through. I just wish we had any idea what this team looked like with everyone (or even close to it) on the field at the same time.

It will take a lot to make a run at the league. But there is still a chance it could happen. Only team that looks as advertised are the Rams. Although, I had the Duques over Bucknell. They were good last year and have everybody back. No one in that league is overlooking Duquesne this year.
SIDELINER

Here's a second Morning Call piece that didn't appear in the print edition. It was online this morning.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-re...e-online-0914-20150914-story.html
NE Leopard

Patriot League Weekly Awards

Bright spots from the Delaware Game:

Jacob Bissel and Brandon Bryant pick up weekly PL awards

http://www.patriotleague.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091415aaa.html
carney2

A post from a Delaware fan on AGS - and it could not be more spot on for our beleaguered coaching staff:

"You need to start paying your assistants more, the one poor fella apparently couldn't afford a jacket, or a poncho, or a tall kitchen bag."
Bogus Megapardus

Re: Patriot League Weekly Awards

NE Leopard wrote:
Bright spots from the Delaware Game:

Jacob Bissel and Brandon Bryant pick up weekly PL awards

http://www.patriotleague.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091415aaa.html


Bissell - 40, 40 and 47 yards spot-on with a heavy, wet ball, wet shoes and in the pouring rain?  You better believe this kid deserves it.
Bogus Megapardus

carney2 wrote:
A post from a Delaware fan on AGS - and it could not be more spot on for our beleaguered coaching staff:

"You need to start paying your assistants more, the one poor fella apparently couldn't afford a jacket, or a poncho, or a tall kitchen bag."


Possibly because Delaware inexplicably does not allow umbrellas in their stadium.  Who the eff could have known that?
Andy

Re: Patriot League Weekly Awards

NE Leopard wrote:
Bright spots from the Delaware Game:

Jacob Bissel and Brandon Bryant pick up weekly PL awards

http://www.patriotleague.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091415aaa.html


The lehigh RB was named Rookie of the Week for his 72 yard TD catch/run and, no lie, 11 yds on 8 carries.

Jacob you are my PL ROOKIE of the WEEK for 3 40+ yd FGs in the worst conditions imaginable. Add in 2 of 3 KOs for touchbacks.  Awesome!

Congrats to B-squared for his 18 tackle performance. Beast!
Pard4Life

Bissell very deserving (and in a bad sign Bissell auto corrects to Biddle!)

If we had scored one TD, Bissell's leg would have made it possible. He is going to win us some games in the future.

Andy - don't be upset at the Lehigh kid: everyone deserves a trophy!

Was that TD late in the 4th against JMU's B team? Smile
Andy

Pard4Life wrote:
Bissell very deserving (and in a bad sign Bissell auto corrects to Biddle!)

If we had scored one TD, Bissell's leg would have made it possible. He is going to win us some games in the future.

Andy - don't be upset at the Lehigh kid: everyone deserves a trophy!

Was that TD late in the 4th against JMU's B team? Smile


Hah. No, may have been first points of the game. Young man has very good speed, dangerous in the open.  But who had a more impressive day?
Pards Rule

Re: Patriot League Weekly Awards

Andy wrote:
NE Leopard wrote:
Bright spots from the Delaware Game:

Jacob Bissel and Brandon Bryant pick up weekly PL awards

http://www.patriotleague.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091415aaa.html


The lehigh RB was named Rookie of the Week for his 72 yard TD catch/run and, no lie, 11 yds on 8 carries.

Jacob you are my PL ROOKIE of the WEEK for 3 40+ yd FGs in the worst conditions imaginable. Add in 2 of 3 KOs for touchbacks.  Awesome!

Congrats to B-squared for his 18 tackle performance. Beast!


Andy don't forget Jake's perfectly executed onsider too! I hollered to him that it was on the ESPN highlight reel!
Pards Rule

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
carney2 wrote:
A post from a Delaware fan on AGS - and it could not be more spot on for our beleaguered coaching staff:

"You need to start paying your assistants more, the one poor fella apparently couldn't afford a jacket, or a poncho, or a tall kitchen bag."


Possibly because Delaware inexplicably does not allow umbrellas in their stadium.  Who the eff could have known that?


I didn't but thankfully the woman collecting $10 parking at Patterson Schwartz Realty lot saw the Pard on the passenger seat and knew I didn't probably know that and warned me not to bother. I did use a tall kitchen bag which I found in the UD tailgate area, emptying it of some paper plates and forks, and wore it as a shawl into the game and for most of the first quarter until a fellow Pard woman handed me an extra clear plastic poncho!
carney2

Delaware is beating Villanova in the 4th.  GAWD, DID WE BLOW IT!!!!![/b]
SixtyEighter

I'm watching the same game . It makes me think our defense is better than the outcome.

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