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carney2

Delaware Pregame - A Golden Opportunity

Delaware, along with a small handful of other programs, has been the gold standard of FBS football over the years.  Some of our uninformed fans are aghast that the Pards are stepping onto the field with the Azure Chickens from the probably better than average CAA after all these years.  I have to inform them that this is not the same Delaware they remember.  Oh, I’m sure that the Hens will get back to the top.  It’s what’s expected of them.  It’s what they do.  They’re just not getting there by 6:00 this Saturday.  Consider:

Last year’s team went 6-6 and 4-4 in the CAA.  They were blown out twice, beaten by Sacred Heart, scraped by Colgate by 3 points, and lost to W&M by pretty much the same score as Lafayette.  Stop me if you see a juggernaut somewhere in these numbers.

They were middle or the pack or lower in almost every CAA statistical category.  In other words, they had no 2014 team strengths that we can point to.

For the first time in something like 13 years the quarterback will not be a transfer from a FBS school.  Remember Joe Flacco?  How about Pat Devlin?  Not this year.

Only 7 seniors on the team

And, numero uno, the Hens were beaten at home in their opener by non-scholarship Jacksonville from the bottom of the barrel Pioneer League.  They managed just 297 total yards for the game.

If it weren’t for all the injuries and yet another round of Frank’s head scratching perpetual, never ending suspensions, I’d pull out my wallet and wager a quid or two on the Pards in this one.  As it is however, we are probably looking at a fantastic opportunity circling the bowl.

Your turn.
Franks Tanks

Can we win....yes!  Will we.....probably not.

If Drew Plays we have a shot, otherwise we will have to listen to Gary and Mike make excuses for the whole 2nd half.  We can no longer blame scholarships, so I guess it will shift to red shirting.
flyfisher

Delaware will be no pushover. They will be more athletic than W&M but not as disciplined. They tend to make mistakes. My oldest just spent 4 years playing them and that is the pattern he saw. But they will be very athletic and they get a lot of big D1 transfers. In my opinion there are three seasons for us this year. The first 2 games, the next 3 games, and then conference play.
bison137

flyfisher wrote:
But they will be very athletic and they get a lot of big D1 transfers.



Delaware only has one D1 transfer who saw the field yesterday - QB Blake Rankin, from Bloomsburg, who alternated at that position and was ineffective.  He was at Rutgers for two years - but never got into a game.  Also did not play at all for Delaware last year.

I think LC has a good shot to win this game.
flyfisher

Good to hear. Definitely different from previous years.
Andy

Ironic that what was a clear team strength, DB, is now a weakness and getting worse.  From last week's altered lineup we lose starting S Draeland James to a broken leg and promising fr S Kaiser Butler (tweets a dislocated shoulder).  I wouldnt rush Parham's hammy, so assume JR at C again with Matt and patchwork at safety. Of course, Bencsko wouldve been there but he's filling in for Brockman at Strike.  Lost Ben Carroll to injury early in camp. Yikes! We need to find some guys who can cover deep or UD will kill us over the top like W&M did.

Thought Merriman was a pretty good defender but only saw him on STs.
Bogus Megapardus

Re: Delaware Pregame - A Golden Opportunity

carney2 wrote:
the Azure Chickens


The Cobalt Capons?  Off with their heads, I say, with a stropped cleaver.
SIDELINER

Merriman had almost no practice during summer camp because of injury, so he's probably not ready for prime time.

I like the talk about the possibility of the turf causing more injuries. What is the predicted safe life for a FieldTurf surface? Fisher has now been almost 10 years, right? And, it's being used for a lot more than football. It may not look it from far away, but the surface is probably due for a replacement. Of course, that'll be costly.

Is Lehigh the only Patriot League team left with grass? How have they managed to get along. With natural grass? Rich? LFN?
Bogus Megapardus

SIDELINER wrote:
Is Lehigh the only Patriot League team left with grass? How have they managed to get along. With natural grass? Rich? LFN?


Fitton Field at Holy Cross is natural turf, is it not?
Andy

SIDELINER wrote:
Merriman had almost no practice during summer camp because of injury, so he's probably not ready for prime time.

I like the talk about the possibility of the turf causing more injuries. What is the predicted safe life for a FieldTurf surface? Fisher has now been almost 10 years, right? And, it's being used for a lot more than football. It may not look it from far away, but the surface is probably due for a replacement. Of course, that'll be costly.

Is Lehigh the only Patriot League team left with grass? How have they managed to get along. With natural grass? Rich? LFN?


Thanks for info on Merriman.

Doesnt the "infill" have to get replaced occasionally?  I saw a lot of slipping out there, has the turf grown somewhat thin/slick?

I have to believe the college would be following maintenance guidelines.

http://www.fieldturf.com/sites/fi...s/FT_Maintenance%20Guidelines.pdf
Bogus Megapardus

SIDELINER wrote:
Fisher has now been almost 10 years, right?


It will be ten years, after this season.  One would hope a resurfacing is in the budget.
bison137

SIDELINER wrote:


I like the talk about the possibility of the turf causing more injuries. What is the predicted safe life for a FieldTurf surface? Fisher has now been almost 10 years, right? And, it's being used for a lot more than football. It may not look it from far away, but the surface is probably due for a replacement. Of course, that'll be costly.




Ten years is usually about the effective life if the field gets a lot of use.  Is Fisher used for anything except for football and men's lax?    

As I pointed out on another thread, many studies have demonstrated that field turf is at least as safe as grass.   Many of the studies found less serious injuries on field turf.
Bogus Megapardus

bison137 wrote:
Ten years is usually about the effective life.    As I pointed out on another thread, many studies have demonstrated that field turf is at least as safe as grass.   Many of the studies found less serious injuries on field turf.

How old is the Mathewson turf?
bison137

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Ten years is usually about the effective life.    As I pointed out on another thread, many studies have demonstrated that field turf is at least as safe as grass.   Many of the studies found less serious injuries on field turf.

How old is the Mathewson turf?



New field was installed in the summer of 2012.   That was about ten years after the original turf field had been installed.
Bogus Megapardus

bison137 wrote:
New field was installed in the summer of 2012.   That was about ten years after the original turf field had been installed.

137 - do you have any notion of what the cost was to resurface?
Bogus Megapardus

FYI - The Tub got new FieldTurf in 2009.

http://www.bluehens.com/ViewArtic...OEM_ID=29100&ATCLID=209248469
Bogus Megapardus

Week 2 Sportsbook:

James Madison (-21½) vs. Lehigh o/u 61

New Hampshire (-1Cool at Colgate o/u 50

Villanova (-3) vs. Fordham o/u 68

Delaware (-5) vs. Lafayette o/u 46

Georgetown (-7) vs. Marist o/u 31

Bucknell (-4) vs. Duquesne o/u 43

Holy Cross - Bye

*  *  *  *  *  *  *

*Ivy play begins next week.*

Other games of interest:

Albany (-15) vs. Rhode Island o/u 48

Richmond (-1Cool at Hampton o/u 59

Sacred Heart (-26) at Valparaiso o/u 53

Stony Brook (-17) vs. Central Connecticut o/u 37

Towson (-9) vs. St. Francis o/u 55

*  *  *  *  *  *  *

BTW - In case anybody's wondering (which I doubt sincerely) I'm no longer posting the Sportsbook (or anything else) on "Any Given Saturday."  Some idiot from that board hacked my email and sent a bunch of personal, uncalled for messages.  Better just to stick with the Lafayette Board.

I'll post the weekly Sportsbook here instead.  If somebody wants to copy it and post it on AGS, by all means . . .   Smile
Bogus Megapardus

Why not continue with a little tradition . . .

bison137

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
bison137 wrote:
New field was installed in the summer of 2012.   That was about ten years after the original turf field had been installed.

137 - do you have any notion of what the cost was to resurface?



No.   They also put in a new track at the same time - and a couple of other things - and the only $ figure I heard was for everything combined.

An average number for resurfacing is in the neighborhood of $400-450K, if there is no other work needed.   For example, some of the bids received by Ball State this past spring to resurface their field were:

•  FieldTurf USA, Auburn Hills, Mich., $386,181.

• SPRINTURF, Atlanta, Ga., $410,000

• Shaw Sports Turf, Calhoun, Ga., $441,098.

• AstroTurf, Dalton, Ga., $448,849.  


The warranty on field turf, unless it has changed recently, is typically eight years, although most fields last longer than that.
LeopardBall10

Franks Tanks wrote:
If Drew Plays we have a shot, otherwise we will have to listen to Gary and Mike make excuses for the whole 2nd half.  We can no longer blame scholarships, so I guess it will shift to red shirting.


I think we are in this game to the end, but someone on the field will need to make a play to seal it. Frank will just find a way to be in the way. I wrote a long post on the W&M post game thread, but I lost faith in Frank as the HFC a while ago. The staff as a whole is very good, but so many times they do extra work to meet Frank's unnecessary requests or to make up for his decided deficiencies. Although this week may be the only time I would take Frank over the opponent head guy.
DaveR

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Although this week may be the only time I would take Frank over the opponent head guy.

I would take Frank over Lehigh's guy.
carney2

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Week 2 Sportsbook:

James Madison (-21½) vs. Lehigh o/u 61

New Hampshire (-1Cool at Colgate o/u 50

Villanova (-3) vs. Fordham o/u 68

Delaware (-5) vs. Lafayette o/u 46

Georgetown (-7) vs. Marist o/u 31

Bucknell (-4) vs. Duquesne o/u 43

Holy Cross - Bye

*  *  *  *  *  *  *

*Ivy play begins next week.*

Other games of interest:

Albany (-15) vs. Rhode Island o/u 48

Richmond (-1Cool at Hampton o/u 59

Sacred Heart (-26) at Valparaiso o/u 53

Stony Brook (-17) vs. Central Connecticut o/u 37

Towson (-9) vs. St. Francis o/u 55

*  *  *  *  *  *  *

BTW - In case anybody's wondering (which I doubt sincerely) I'm no longer posting the Sportsbook (or anything else) on "Any Given Saturday."  Some idiot from that board hacked my email and sent a bunch of personal, uncalled for messages.  Better just to stick with the Lafayette Board.

I'll post the weekly Sportsbook here instead.  If somebody wants to copy it and post it on AGS, by all means . . .   Smile


Thanks, Bogie.  I can never find this stuff.

Lines for FCS out on Tuesday.  That's early, isn't it?
carney2

As I recall, the 2005 mud wrestling contest against Columbia was the straw that broke the camel's back at Lafayette as far as natural turf was concerned.  The field was an unusable mess after that game, and, as long as Bourger, Fisher, et al. were tossing pesos at football, why not use some of them for a new surface?  It's not like money was being stolen from the diversity programs.
carney2

Speaking of Columbia (which I did in my most recent post to this thread), they join Penn in the "Whatever Happened To ..." category.  We played them every year but 3 from 1975 thru 2010, and then ... gone. I don't particularly miss them, but, like Penn, would love to know what happened.
Franks Tanks

carney2 wrote:
As I recall, the 2005 mud wrestling contest against Columbia was the straw that broke the camel's back at Lafayette as far as natural turf was concerned.  The field was an unusable mess after that game, and, as long as Bourger, Fisher, et al. were tossing pesos at football, why not use some of them for a new surface?  It's not like money was being stolen from the diversity programs.


I am no expert, but I understand the normal life of a turf field like ours is 10 years.  A brand new install is about 1 million, and as Bogie posted a new rug seems to be 3-400k.  I suppose the 1 million for a new field includes all of the ground prep work such a leveling the site and adding drainage and all that,  and that wouldn't need to be done again.

The field at Fisher is of high quality and well cared for, but it is nearing the end of it's life.
Andy

"speaking of Columbia"

I think we're afraid of them with their cute new recruiting tactic: sending 21 hand written letters in one day (as tweeted recently by a recruit).

Lafalum

Franks Tanks wrote:
carney2 wrote:
As I recall, the 2005 mud wrestling contest against Columbia was the straw that broke the camel's back at Lafayette as far as natural turf was concerned.  The field was an unusable mess after that game, and, as long as Bourger, Fisher, et al. were tossing pesos at football, why not use some of them for a new surface?  It's not like money was being stolen from the diversity programs.


I am no expert, but I understand the normal life of a turf field like ours is 10 years.  A brand new install is about 1 million, and as Bogie posted a new rug seems to be 3-400k.  I suppose the 1 million for a new field includes all of the ground prep work such a leveling the site and adding drainage and all that,  and that wouldn't need to be done again.

The field at Fisher is of high quality and well cared for, but it is nearing the end of it's life.


I don't  know if it is relevant but the field hockey rug was 1mio plus. That of course included the new water cannons but was just a rug. I am told that Lacrosse is a killer for artificial turf especially around the crease area. The FH turf was 14 years I believe and was in bad shape and deemed dangerous to play on. The seams had separated in spots around the Lacrosse creases. For many years football had practiced on it on occasion. Lacrosse needs their own field!!
carney2

Sagarin Ratings as of 9/7:

Patriot League:

151 Fordham
188 Bucknell
195 Holy Cross
196 Lehigh
200 Colgate
208 LAFAYETTE
234 Georgetown

OOC Opponents:

123 W&M
140 Harvard
189 Delaware
202 Princeton
215 Wagner

137 will chime in with details, but my recollection is that these are fairly useless for the first month of the season or so as they are weighted with prior season performance.
carney2

At Tuesday's media event Frank said that he is not talking about the suspensions anymore.  My knee jerk question is, when did he ever talk about them?  Be that as it may, we will know when Reed and the unnamed other three will be reinstated when Frank tells us that they've been reinstated.  Apparently not this week.

Oh yeah, enough already with the field turf.  There's a game this week.
carney2

In a game that was over by the 4th quarter and in which we had something of an available personnel problem, why didn't Josh Davis, or Sunshine as he's known on this board, finally get some MEANINGFUL playing time?
ELB

carney2 wrote:
In a game that was over by the 4th quarter and in which we had something of an available personnel problem, why didn't Josh Davis, or Sunshine as he's known on this board, finally get some MEANINGFUL playing time?

Sorry to be negative here (maybe just in a bad mood), but it is widely understood that in any contest in which you recognize that you are outmanned you have to be innovative.  C2's questioned small step to expose Sunshine might have been too much for this staff, whoever is responsible for such decisions.  Significantly larger steps appear not to have been considered during my few year observation of LC football (I remember the FT quote a couple of years ago something like: If we can't line up against an opponent and defeat them head to head we don't deserve to win).
ELB

In defense of those cautious souls among us I should add that for self-preservation all species are risk averse.  We are no different - in our businesses, investing, driving (most of us, thank goodness), etc.  In our early history if we were unsure whether the rustle in the bushes was the wind or a saber toothed tiger we erred on the side of caution.  That thought is an example from a good book titled How We Decide - a discussion of the ways our brains work chemically.  The individuals that succeed in business, investing, inventing - and sport - are risk takers - some fail, some succeed, some do so back and forth many times.  Those that live with security choose mediocrity - a point C2 has emphasized many times here.
LeopardBall10

Andy had posted a comment about this week's game notes on the W&M post game thread so I figured I would add them here as well.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schoo...6/release/release_20150908aaa.pdf

Don't know if you can gleam any injury info from here, or if it is just copy/paste by the SID. Still no Brockman or Reed but it looks like most of the secondary will give it the old college try.[/url]
Andy

carney2 wrote:
In a game that was over by the 4th quarter and in which we had something of an available personnel problem, why didn't Josh Davis, or Sunshine as he's known on this board, finally get some MEANINGFUL playing time?


Because coaches dont care about getting 3rd string players experience. They're trying to get thru a freakin series w/out a pre-snap penalty. They're looking for a positive play or score to build on. They're trying to get their first string QB's timing down with his receivers in live play and the young OL in sync with Blake's count. Unfortunately what Mo Bennett said was accurate - this game was an extension of camp. Frank forgot about trying to win fairly early on as all the runs up the middle and a FG try on 4th and 1 attest. They also dont want to insert a raw QB at that time and situation, IMO, because you dont want to risk the game becoming a total circus leaving everyone even more demoralized. I'd prefer to see young guys come in when you have a sizable lead.
flyfisher

Just a guess here but I think we attempted the FG more to start building confidence in the kicker. We are going to need him this year. I tell you this, he is a hard worker. Plus we were down 17. If you want to think optimistic we would have needed a FG at some time.
Andy

flyfisher wrote:
Just a guess here but I think we attempted the FG more to start building confidence in the kicker. We are going to need him this year. I tell you this, he is a hard worker. Plus we were down 17. If you want to think optimistic we would have needed a FG at some time.


I thought the same thing at the time, fly, Frank breaking the ice with his new kicker.

IMO to win though,  you go for First down/TD there, from what the 8?  You prob wont get that far again. Of course a couple more scores needed. Maybe a long FG.

INT on first down in what was a good drive was killer.

Wasnt thrilled with a sideways throw back play on 3rd and four. Our opponents always seem to throw vertically and pick up first downs against us.
Andy

Hey fly, I know you're familiar with CAA. Is there a site to watch replay of UD opener?
NE Leopard

Only 3 pre-snap penalties, one on 64, 67, and 17, and they got 1st downs after 2 of those. They should have gone for it on 4th down, put the task on the back of the young OL. Worst case you make them drive 90+ yards for a score. Went for the FG and the rest is history.

Learn from it and set the sights on UD. Go Pards!
SIDELINER

Here is The Morning Call's story from Tuesday's luncheon.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...ball-delaware-20150908-story.html
carney2

Andy wrote:
carney2 wrote:
In a game that was over by the 4th quarter and in which we had something of an available personnel problem, why didn't Josh Davis, or Sunshine as he's known on this board, finally get some MEANINGFUL playing time?


Because coaches dont care about getting 3rd string players experience.


But, thanks to Frank the Suspender, he is only one late hit away from having a fair part of the season balanced on his shoulders.
bethlehempard

Andy wrote:
Hey fly, I know you're familiar with CAA. Is there a site to watch replay of UD opener?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TzYvxV0sT24

I grew up among crazy Hens fans back in the Comlo (spelling?)/Brunner and earlier era.
They are a miserable bunch right now. Miserable about the CAA, the FCS, the HC and whatever other acronym there is.
They beat us annually around 70-71-72 when Raymond won two titles.
flyfisher

Andy wrote:
Hey fly, I know you're familiar with CAA. Is there a site to watch replay of UD opener?


I am sorry but I do not know of a site to watch the first Delaware game. Some of the CAA is on Comcast however the coverage LC has is superior to most of the CAA.
flyfisher

carney2 wrote:
Andy wrote:
carney2 wrote:
In a game that was over by the 4th quarter and in which we had something of an available personnel problem, why didn't Josh Davis, or Sunshine as he's known on this board, finally get some MEANINGFUL playing time?


Because coaches dont care about getting 3rd string players experience.


But, thanks to Frank the Suspender, he is only one late hit away from having a fair part of the season balanced on his shoulders.


You are way off base.
Andy

Thanks guys. Bp gave us the youtube link.  Gonna take a look. Doubting myself now, but thought I'd read UD started 7 fr on D.
Bogus Megapardus

Give me some keys to the game for the chalkboard, folks.
Bogus Megapardus

carney2 wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Week 2 Sportsbook:

James Madison (-21½) vs. Lehigh o/u 61

New Hampshire (-1Cool at Colgate o/u 50

Villanova (-3) vs. Fordham o/u 68

Delaware (-5) vs. Lafayette o/u 46

Georgetown (-7) vs. Marist o/u 31

Bucknell (-4) vs. Duquesne o/u 43

Holy Cross - Bye

*  *  *  *  *  *  *

*Ivy play begins next week.*

Other games of interest:

Albany (-15) vs. Rhode Island o/u 48

Richmond (-1Cool at Hampton o/u 59

Sacred Heart (-26) at Valparaiso o/u 53

Stony Brook (-17) vs. Central Connecticut o/u 37

Towson (-9) vs. St. Francis o/u 55

*  *  *  *  *  *  *

BTW - In case anybody's wondering (which I doubt sincerely) I'm no longer posting the Sportsbook (or anything else) on "Any Given Saturday."  Some idiot from that board hacked my email and sent a bunch of personal, uncalled for messages.  Better just to stick with the Lafayette Board.

I'll post the weekly Sportsbook here instead.  If somebody wants to copy it and post it on AGS, by all means . . .   Smile


Thanks, Bogie.  I can never find this stuff.

Lines for FCS out on Tuesday.  That's early, isn't it?


I fondly recall Willie Watt (blessed be his Rhetoric) cautioning his freshman English majors, "always click 'Disable Smileys' before you post content containing ambiguous UTF-8 combinations."  His wise advice stands the test of time, I think.
Andy

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Week 2 Sportsbook:

James Madison (-21½) vs. Lehigh o/u 61

New Hampshire (-1Cool at Colgate o/u 50

Villanova (-3) vs. Fordham o/u 68

Delaware (-5) vs. Lafayette o/u 46

Georgetown (-7) vs. Marist o/u 31

Bucknell (-4) vs. Duquesne o/u 43

Holy Cross - Bye

*  *  *  *  *  *  *

*Ivy play begins next week.*

Other games of interest:

Albany (-15) vs. Rhode Island o/u 48

Richmond (-1Cool at Hampton o/u 59

Sacred Heart (-26) at Valparaiso o/u 53

Stony Brook (-17) vs. Central Connecticut o/u 37

Towson (-9) vs. St. Francis o/u 55

*  *  *  *  *  *  *

BTW - In case anybody's wondering (which I doubt sincerely) I'm no longer posting the Sportsbook (or anything else) on "Any Given Saturday."  Some idiot from that board hacked my email and sent a bunch of personal, uncalled for messages.  Better just to stick with the Lafayette Board.

I'll post the weekly Sportsbook here instead.  If somebody wants to copy it and post it on AGS, by all means . . .   Smile


Thanks, Bogie.  I can never find this stuff.

Lines for FCS out on Tuesday.  That's early, isn't it?


I fondly recall Willie Watt (blessed be his Rhetoric) cautioning his freshman English majors, "always click 'Disable Smileys' before you post."  His wisdom stands the test of time, I think.


Lol. Good idea. I've taken to writing out "eight" because it always comes out ie 48. ( hey, it came out right and smilies are "on"!)
Andy

carney2 wrote:
Andy wrote:
carney2 wrote:
In a game that was over by the 4th quarter and in which we had something of an available personnel problem, why didn't Josh Davis, or Sunshine as he's known on this board, finally get some MEANINGFUL playing time?


Because coaches dont care about getting 3rd string players experience.


But, thanks to Frank the Suspender, he is only one late hit away from having a fair part of the season balanced on his shoulders.


From Frank's quotes in PR's article it seems the length of the suspension is indefinite.  Hopefully we hear on Tues that DR will be back for P, but who knows. We have won and will win games with Blake at the helm.
Bogus Megapardus

Andy wrote:
Lol. Good idea. I've taken to writing out "eight" because it always comes out ie 48. ( hey, it came out right and smilies are "on"!)


In addition to his rules about the proper order of modifiers in a sentence, I seem to recall Dr. Watt cautioning (with due regret) that BBCode tends to treat colloquial prose colloquially, by default.  The astute grammatician must struggle with such inconveniences for a lifetime, he told us.*




* I'm making this up, of course.  I never actually had Dr. Watt.  He was pretty much "emeritus" when I was at Lafayette.  But still . . .
Andy

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Andy wrote:
Lol. Good idea. I've taken to writing out "eight" because it always comes out ie 48. ( hey, it came out right and smilies are "on"!)


In addition to his rules about the proper order of modifiers in a sentence, I seem to recall Dr. Watt cautioning (with due regret) that BBCode tends to treat colloquial prose colloquially, by default.  The astute grammatician must struggle with such inconveniences for a lifetime, he told us.*




* I'm making this up, of course.  I never actually had Dr. Watt.  He was pretty much "emeritus" when I was at Lafayette.  But still . . .


Smile  I've concluded 'Dam ipad has a mind of its own.'

Test: 28, 18, 38 !!!
LeopardBall10

Andy wrote:
We have won and will win games with Blake at the helm.


I agree, we are a different team with Reed under center (when he is on/healthy) but I don't know if there are many other teams out there (I can't think of any in our league) who have the luxury of a talented backup QB with legitimate game experience.
edge29

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Give me some keys to the game for the chalkboard, folks.


1 - Big gains/plays on offense.  Reed mentioned this in his preseason interview.  It's difficult to consistently sustain long drives in a spread offense that relies on short passes.  It's going to be tough without a legit deep threat. :/

2 - Better play in secondary. Period.
carney2

flyfisher wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Andy wrote:
carney2 wrote:
In a game that was over by the 4th quarter and in which we had something of an available personnel problem, why didn't Josh Davis, or Sunshine as he's known on this board, finally get some MEANINGFUL playing time?


Because coaches dont care about getting 3rd string players experience.


But, thanks to Frank the Suspender, he is only one late hit away from having a fair part of the season balanced on his shoulders.


You are way off base.


Please explain.  I always take your posts as authoritative, but it seems to me that if Searfoss goes down, Davis is the man until the suspensions are lifted.
BPard

carney wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
carney2 wrote:
But, thanks to Frank the Suspender, he is only one late hit away from having a fair part of the season balanced on his shoulders.


You are way off base.


Please explain.  I always take your posts as authoritative, but it seems to me that if Searfoss goes down, Davis is the man until the suspensions are lifted.

While I may lack fly's sartorial authority, isn't it well known that Frank prefers alternatives to suspenders and shirt stays? From a leading provider:

Quote:
SHIRT LOCK is proven to be an effective alternative to suspenders, shirt stays and the rubber belt and flex belt. Work or Play Shirt Lock keeps you looking sharp all day.


Laughing
flyfisher

carney2 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
carney2 wrote:
Andy wrote:
carney2 wrote:
In a game that was over by the 4th quarter and in which we had something of an available personnel problem, why didn't Josh Davis, or Sunshine as he's known on this board, finally get some MEANINGFUL playing time?


Because coaches dont care about getting 3rd string players experience.


But, thanks to Frank the Suspender, he is only one late hit away from having a fair part of the season balanced on his shoulders.


You are way off base.


Please explain.  I always take your posts as authoritative, but it seems to me that if Searfoss goes down, Davis is the man until the suspensions are lifted.


I dont know but I would think if Blake goes down then Davis would be in. I dont know anything about Reed or when he is coming back. What I do know is I trust the coaches. You make a comment above about Blake taking a hit and getting hurt and a fair part of the season being on Davis. You don't know that, None of us know that. Its just more internet rumor and assumptions.
SIDELINER

When Coach T went on his suspensions rant on Tuesday, one of the things he said was he didn't want to tell Delaware what he was doing this week. Was anyone watching practice on Wednesday, which is the hardest work day of the week? Was Davis getting any reps during the week that might indicate he'd be No. 2 behind Searfoss? Was Reed getting more reps than he might have gotten a week earlier? Might the coach pull a quick hook on Saturday and bring Reed back?  How about speedster Chenoweth? Cleared by doctors, but is he ready to go?
SixtyEighter

This week's game is best watched on ESPN3. Note of interest (disapointment)- After 3 years of scholarships Lafayette's Sagarin rating is next to last in the league (37+.) and above only Georgetown.Delaware in a bad year is rated 42+.This is a poor result for the investment. It was about the same before scholarships.
Zeus

What is the program's record in league since scholarships were implemented? That's really all that matters.

The talent is drastically improved, and Lafayette wouldn't have sniffed most of these kids without giving scholarships.
flyfisher

Zeus wrote:
What is the program's record in league since scholarships were implemented? That's really all that matters.

The talent is drastically improved, and Lafayette wouldn't have sniffed most of these kids without giving scholarships.


Exactly. Comparing us in league doesnt tell us much about how scholarships have impacted us. Everyone in the PL went scholarship so in theory, the talent level improved everywhere. The old saying, "a rising tide floats all boats". We should be closing the gap on Fordham. We actually beat them 2 years ago.

My question becomes how are we doing out of conference? One thing for sure, a lot of these kids would not be here without scholarships. Cant speak for everyone else but mine would be at W&M.

Sideliner makes some good comments. None of us were at practice. We dont know what has happened.
Zeus

Agreed, and Lafayette will keep playing a tough schedule, and not beat up on sub par teams. I'd guess Lafayette will be better than all Ivy teams, excluding Harvard next year and in the future and that says a lot.

And per usual, you hit the nail on the head. The call( one) for bringing in Davis during the first game on the year with a bevy of reasons to keep Blake in ( young OL, Young WR, Young RB, Young TE) was absolutely bewildering.
carney2

flyfisher wrote:
You make a comment above about Blake taking a hit and getting hurt and a fair part of the season being on Davis. You don't know that, None of us know that. Its just more internet rumor and assumptions.


But we do know that. IF Searfoss goes down, Davis (with zero MEANINGFUL experience) is in and the responsibility is all his until Frank allows Reed back on the field.  I fail to see why we are going back and forth over something this obvious.
yesrep

Just finished watching Delaware game from week 1 and this what i see.We stop the run we win the game.Del QBs can not win this game with the pass. One QB# 7 never looks to second receiver and has a very long arm motion,the second QB #3 wants to run first and when he does throw has zero touch. Del lines up in tight formations most of the time and needs to run. Lafayette on offense should be at home with the short passing game, Dels d plays deep and drops fast. Dels d line are big guys but do not show any speed rush more hole fillers, they also do not get hands up on pass plays. This will not be easy but a game we can win..  Lafayette by 3
carney2

I repeat what I said in the opening post to this thread:  this is a golden opportunity to nail the scalp of one of the true FCS big boys to the wall.  This may truly be the worst flock of chickens since ... well, in a long. long time.  And we won't get this kind of an opportunity again soon.  But, we seem on the verge of doing what we do best, frittering it away.  I, for one, will be way beyond disappointed if we lose.
yesrep

Disappointment for me is not a win or loss it is watching some players let down their team mates. You have to want to play football not just get money to play, then you have to do the right things to stay on the field. Mistakes are made then we grow then you owe . Go Pards !
bison137

carney2 wrote:
I repeat what I said in the opening post to this thread:  this is a golden opportunity to nail the scalp of one of the true FCS big boys to the wall.  This may truly be the worst flock of chickens since ... well, in a long. long time.  And we won't get this kind of an opportunity again soon.  



Last year's Delaware team was at least as bad - probably worse.  Based on various models, they would have been neutral field underdogs to five PL teams.   Significant underdogs to FU, BU, and LC.   They lost at home to Sacred Heart and to an awful Towson team.  Also were lucky to squeak out a home win over Colgate.  Etc.

As long as Delaware has the name of the loathsome Tubby Raymond on their field, they can't lose enough games to make me happy.   Not even 100 in a row.
RichH

bison137 wrote:
carney2 wrote:
I repeat what I said in the opening post to this thread:  this is a golden opportunity to nail the scalp of one of the true FCS big boys to the wall.  This may truly be the worst flock of chickens since ... well, in a long. long time.  And we won't get this kind of an opportunity again soon.  



Last year's Delaware team was at least as bad - probably worse.  Based on various models, they would have been neutral field underdogs to five PL teams.   Significant underdogs to FU, BU, and LC.   They lost at home to Sacred Heart and to an awful Towson team.  Also were lucky to squeak out a home win over Colgate.  Etc.

As long as Delaware has the name of the loathsome Tubby Raymond on their field, they can't lose enough games to make me happy.   Not even 100 in a row.

+1
carney2

Don't know enough about Tubby Raymond to have him on my loathsome list.  My list is topped by Fred Dunlap, but I know that I have now triggered an avalanche of hate mail from the worshipful 'gate crowd.
Pards Rule

I will be at Tubby Raymond Saturday. Like Carney also recovering from "off season" surgery. I was there for that incredible playoff game in 2004! Hard to believe almost 11 years now!
bison137

carney2 wrote:
Don't know enough about Tubby Raymond to have him on my loathsome list.  My list is topped by Fred Dunlap, but I know that I have now triggered an avalanche of hate mail from the worshipful 'gate crowd.



Raymond was far worse than Dunlap if a criterion is bad sportsmanship.
bethlehempard

Raymond's Hens had an 84-0 victory over West Chester in 2000. That team was horrible but he probably could have found a way to avoid this.
I was on the wrong side of a few games in high school and it's as bad when the other team isn't trying to score. My coach always said it was our job to stop them, not theirs.
UD also walloped Lehigh that year. Somehow I see nothing wrong with that.
Raymond always said you can never be sure a good opponent is done.
He is still alive I think, about 90, and of course is the father of Dave Raymond, the first Phillie fanatic.
**Corrected opponent in 84-0 game upon checking. Also the Lehigh win was 49-22, in the playoffs. Delaware lost in the 1AA semi-final to Georgia Southern. They won the whole thing if I recall correctly.
carney2

bison137 wrote:
Raymond was far worse than Dunlap if a criterion is bad sportsmanship.


I truly hate Dunlap.  I have no opinion on Raymond.

Date:  Saturday, November 23, 1974
Place:  Fisher Field, Lafayette College, Easton, PA

Dunlap's Chicken Squawks pounded a typically hapless Neil Putnam Lafayette team 57-7.  Right up to the end Fu@#in' Fecal Brain Freddie had his entire first team offense in the game going (throwing) for more.  I said to myself "I will dance on your grave, you low life scum!"  He is somewhere around 87 years old and my dancing shoes are shined and ready for use.  I eagerly await the day.
bison137

carney2 wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Raymond was far worse than Dunlap if a criterion is bad sportsmanship.


I truly hate Dunlap.  I have no opinion on Raymond.

Date:  Saturday, November 23, 1974
Place:  Fisher Field, Lafayette College, Easton, PA

Dunlap's Chicken Squawks pounded a typically hapless Neil Putnam Lafayette team 57-7.  Right up to the end Fu@#in' Fecal Brain Freddie had his entire first team offense in the game going (throwing) for more.  I said to myself "I will dance on your grave, you low life scum!"  He is somewhere around 87 years old and my dancing shoes are shined and ready for use.  I eagerly await the day.



This would have been normal for Raymond - who used Delaware's superior resources and scholarships - to crush opponents.    Some of his specialties:

-  sending 10 men to try to block a punt when up by 40+ points.
-  going for two point conversions when up by 40+ points.
-  running trick plays like fleaflickers to run up the score late in games.
-  using timeouts in the waning minutes with big leads to try to get one more score over a hapless opponent.
-  Etc.

Raymond did things like this on many occasions.
Andy

"PM thunderstorms. Some severe. 90% chance of rain."

Well that ends the "to count cars on the NJ Turnpike etc for 7 hours or not" debate. ESPN3 I love ya.
Pard4Life

yesrep wrote:
Just finished watching Delaware game from week 1 and this what i see.We stop the run we win the game.Del QBs can not win this game with the pass. One QB# 7 never looks to second receiver and has a very long arm motion,the second QB #3 wants to run first and when he does throw has zero touch. Del lines up in tight formations most of the time and needs to run. Lafayette on offense should be at home with the short passing game, Dels d plays deep and drops fast. Dels d line are big guys but do not show any speed rush more hole fillers, they also do not get hands up on pass plays. This will not be easy but a game we can win..  Lafayette by 3


Chalk this one up to the Bogie board...

Out Frankosaur the Frankosaur.

Also:  

Score in the red zone (1-4 doesn't cut it)
Pard4Life

Andy wrote:
"PM thunderstorms. Some severe. 90% chance of rain."

Well that ends the "to count cars on the NJ Turnpike etc for 7 hours or not" debate. ESPN3 I love ya.


Turnpike is now six lanes each way south of Exit 8.  

Andy, I know you love the Pards, but we are a mediocre lot and not worth the aggravation and waste of time (life) that road fosters.
DaveR

Pard4Life wrote:
Turnpike is now six lanes each way south of Exit 8.

Correct, down to Exit 6 (my project).
Pards Rule

Wilmington News-Journal reports Delaware TB Wes Hill out for the game with ankle injury sustained during JAX game.
carney2

bison137 wrote:
carney2 wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Raymond was far worse than Dunlap if a criterion is bad sportsmanship.


I truly hate Dunlap.  I have no opinion on Raymond.

Date:  Saturday, November 23, 1974
Place:  Fisher Field, Lafayette College, Easton, PA

Dunlap's Chicken Squawks pounded a typically hapless Neil Putnam Lafayette team 57-7.  Right up to the end Fu@#in' Fecal Brain Freddie had his entire first team offense in the game going (throwing) for more.  I said to myself "I will dance on your grave, you low life scum!"  He is somewhere around 87 years old and my dancing shoes are shined and ready for use.  I eagerly await the day.



This would have been normal for Raymond - who used Delaware's superior resources and scholarships - to crush opponents.    Some of his specialties:

-  sending 10 men to try to block a punt when up by 40+ points.
-  going for two point conversions when up by 40+ points.
-  running trick plays like fleaflickers to run up the score late in games.
-  using timeouts in the waning minutes with big leads to try to get one more score over a hapless opponent.
-  Etc.

Raymond did things like this on many occasions.


Other than the playoff game in 2004 that did not involve Raymond, we at Lafayette have had no contact with Delaware since 1972.  Tubby Raymond might as well be Woody Hayes or Ara Parseghian for all we know or care about him.
Andy

DaveR wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
Turnpike is now six lanes each way south of Exit 8.

Correct, down to Exit 6 (my project).


Wow! That's a big deal, Dave. Congrats!  Work used to bring me down there, I dont miss the stress of the commute. Thankfully "I blocked it out."  Bottle necks were the big merge - was that the 2 spurs coming together or cars and truck lanes joining back up? - and before and after Union Toll. Have those problems been solved?

Anyway, I apologize for the diversion.  Gonna buy an adapter for the ipad and watch on the big screen. A trip to BestBuy, as painful as that is, will beat a long ride and a possible lightning delay.

Looking for a good show from Pards tonight.
BillS

Andy wrote:
DaveR wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
Turnpike is now six lanes each way south of Exit 8.

Correct, down to Exit 6 (my project).


Wow! That's a big deal, Dave. Congrats!  Work used to bring me down there, I dont miss the stress of the commute. Thankfully "I blocked it out."  Bottle necks were the big merge - was that the 2 spurs coming together or cars and truck lanes joining back up? - and before and after Union Toll. Have those problems been solved?

Anyway, I apologize for the diversion.  Gonna buy an adapter for the ipad and watch on the big screen. A trip to BestBuy, as painful as that is, will beat a long ride and a possible lightning delay.

Looking for a good show from Pards tonight.
Andy is you have Roku you can watch espn3 on it.
Pard4Life

DaveR wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
Turnpike is now six lanes each way south of Exit 8.

Correct, down to Exit 6 (my project).


Very nice... love those elegant flyovers.
Pard4Life

Anyone going to this game?  What's the deal with parking?
Andy

BillS wrote:
Andy is you have Roku you can watch espn3 on it.


Thanks, Bill.  I'll look into that device.
Andy

Pard4Life wrote:
Anyone going to this game?  What's the deal with parking?


AGS has a thread about the game. UD guys give some suggestions re parking, even an address for GPS.
Pards Rule

DaveR wrote:
Pard4Life wrote:
Turnpike is now six lanes each way south of Exit 8.

Correct, down to Exit 6 (my project).


Great job Pard! Hopefully your next project will be Rt 55 connection to Parkway!!
Bogus Megapardus

Bogus Megapardus

Just checking the Game Notes - Reed is listed as third QB behind Searfoss and Davis.  Neither Vangelas nor Chenoweth at WR on the 2-deep.  Draeland James and Alex Merriman also absent.

First OL is:  Miller - Staudle - Kern - Zataveski the Younger - Smith
Bogus Megapardus

Slightly O/T - James Madison is punishing Lehigh with a Chip Kelly-style no-huddle offense.  Lehigh's D can't even get set.

High-quality JMU video:

http://portal.stretchinternet.com...entId=221453&streamType=video
Bogus Megapardus

FYI - Weather in Newark, Delaware is nasty as you know.  Lightning strikes have been heavy and frequent.

Here's a real-time lightning map:

http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime

Zoom in and click the "Experimental On" radio button and the "Radar On" radio button for the best view.
Andy

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Slightly O/T - James Madison is punishing Lehigh with a Chip Kelly-style no-huddle offense.  Lehigh's D can't even get set.

High-quality JMU video:

http://portal.stretchinternet.com...entId=221453&streamType=video


On it, thanks, bogie. 31-7 JMU with 9mins and change, 1st half.  Hopefully we do a bit better.
ed65

bison137 wrote:
carney2 wrote:
bison137 wrote:
Raymond was far worse than Dunlap if a criterion is bad sportsmanship.


I truly hate Dunlap.  I have no opinion on Raymond.

Date:  Saturday, November 23, 1974
Place:  Fisher Field, Lafayette College, Easton, PA

Dunlap's Chicken Squawks pounded a typically hapless Neil Putnam Lafayette team 57-7.  Right up to the end Fu@#in' Fecal Brain Freddie had his entire first team offense in the game going (throwing) for more.  I said to myself "I will dance on your grave, you low life scum!"  He is somewhere around 87 years old and my dancing shoes are shined and ready for use.  I eagerly await the day.



This would have been normal for Raymond - who used Delaware's superior resources and scholarships - to crush opponents.    Some of his specialties:

-  sending 10 men to try to block a punt when up by 40+ points.
-  going for two point conversions when up by 40+ points.
-  running trick plays like fleaflickers to run up the score late in games.
-  using timeouts in the waning minutes with big leads to try to get one more score over a hapless opponent.
-  Etc.

Raymond did things like this on many occasions.


A little late but I can appreciate Bison's contempt for Tubby Raymond.  Unfortunately,  I attended several of the Delaware beatdowns of LC during the '60s.  Clearly Raymond ran up the score, and left me wondering why LC was playing them.

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