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carney2

Do We Have A Signing Day Strategy?

Just the ramblings of a demented mind, but Frank seems to be single minded in his "need" to get the recruiting class announced and "finalized" within 48 hours or so of the NCAA's National Letter of Intent day (Wednesday, February 4th this year).  It's as if he has a cruise booked for the weekend after and needs to get this over and off his plate.  I'm sure that's not it, but you get my point.  

Other Patriot League programs delay.  Lehigh gets the news out there fairly quickly, but delays 10 days to two weeks.  It trails out from there to Holy Cross (March or April) and ultimately Georgetown, who you can regularly expect to hear from in May.  (I agree that April and May are ridiculous.)

My point is that when you're a relative bottom feeder in D-I recruiting (and if you don't see the Patriot League in these terms, you need to wake up from your dream sequence), you need to take every opportunity to land that rare gem.  Every year there are kids  who hold out to the last because they see themselves suiting up in the Big Ten or Big East and end up with nothing.  If you've identified some kids who you feel are dreaming too big and stick with them through the period when they scoffed at you, there might just be a chance.  (It's amazing how many guys get the girl just because they demonstrate that they want her more than anyone else.)  Apparently we picked up QB Andrew Shoop this year after his Penn State dreams came crashing down.  Two years ago we grabbed Nathan Padia late in the game after his Air Force Academy expectations fizzled.  Both of these guys were signed before National letter of Intent Day, however, and Frank still met (or will meet) his reporting deadline.  A better example might be Lehigh's QB Chris Lum who was signed so late that it might even have been after signing day.

Now, you just might be one who feels that getting the news quickly is good.  For the life of me I can't understand why.  What's the rush?  Do we have a strategy for dealing with the end of the recruiting season golden scraps?  It would appear that the answer is "no," when we just must get the list to the media on a very short schedule.

Oh yeah, for those of you who are about to say "just because the list is announced, doesn't mean that the game is over,"  I retort that I recall very few recruits who came on board the SS Pard after the signing day.
Franks Tanks

Re: Do We Have A Signing Day Strategy?

carney2 wrote:
Just the ramblings of a demented mind, but Frank seems to be single minded in his "need" to get the recruiting class announced and "finalized" within 48 hours or so of the NCAA's National Letter of Intent day (Wednesday, February 4th this year).  It's as if he has a cruise booked for the weekend after and needs to get this over and off his plate.  I'm sure that's not it, but you get my point.  

Other Patriot League programs delay.  Lehigh gets the news out there fairly quickly, but delays 10 days to two weeks.  It trails out from there to Holy Cross (March or April) and ultimately Georgetown, who you can regularly expect to hear from in May.  (I agree that April and May are ridiculous.)

My point is that when you're a relative bottom feeder in D-I recruiting (and if you don't see the Patriot League in these terms, you need to wake up from your dream sequence), you need to take every opportunity to land that rare gem.  Every year there are kids  who hold out to the last because they see themselves suiting up in the Big Ten or Big East and end up with nothing.  If you've identified some kids who you feel are dreaming too big and stick with them through the period when they scoffed at you, there might just be a chance.  (It's amazing how many guys get the girl just because they demonstrate that they want her more than anyone else.)  Apparently we picked up QB Andrew Shoop this year after his Penn State dreams came crashing down.  Two years ago we grabbed Nathan Padia late in the game after his Air Force Academy expectations fizzled.  Both of these guys were signed before National letter of Intent Day, however, and Frank still met (or will meet) his reporting deadline.  A better example might be Lehigh's QB Chris Lum who was signed so late that it might even have been after signing day.

Now, you just might be one who feels that getting the news quickly is good.  For the life of me I can't understand why.  What's the rush?  Do we have a strategy for dealing with the end of the recruiting season golden scraps?  It would appear that the answer is "no," when we just must get the list to the media on a very short schedule.

Oh yeah, for those of you who are about to say "just because the list is announced, doesn't mean that the game is over,"  I retort that I recall very few recruits who came on board the SS Pard after the signing day.



He does it for several reasosn.

1.) Recruits like the fact that they have their picture in the paper on official signing day.   Having a full list of recruits ready on signing day shows the program is desirable and filled their need of recruits.  Waiting two months after the date is an indication that a program is just picking up scraps and not getting kids to choose them.  

2.) Just because we announce the class doesnt mean that we arent still actively recruiting.  We dont give every cent of aid at signing day and can still sign kids and provide aid weeks after.  You bet Frank continues to recruits and look for those kids that fell through the cracks.

3.) The Big schools are getting their classes together earlier then ever.  Most Big FBS schools have had their kids in place for months and we are really waiting for who the schoilarship CAA schools will offer and swoop in when we can.  Of course schools in the CAA no longer have to wait as long for FBS schools to decide who they wil offer so the whole after signing day lag is disappearing a bit.


Overall Carney this is something positive that you are somehow putting a negative spin on.  It is something the kids love and just because a class is announded does not mean it is complete or we have stopped recruiting.
carney2

Re: Do We Have A Signing Day Strategy?

Franks Tanks wrote:
Overall Carney this is something positive that you are somehow putting a negative spin on.


I'd have to turn in my curmudgeon credentials if it were otherwise.
Franks Tanks

Re: Do We Have A Signing Day Strategy?

carney2 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Overall Carney this is something positive that you are somehow putting a negative spin on.


I'd have to turn in my curmudgeon credentials if it were otherwise.


Ok that was good. Also you do make a good point that we get few kids after the signing date, but I would also wonder how many kids our competitors who announce later actually get after the signing date as well (if it is possible to know who committed late). They may just be waiting on one or two kids to announce the full class. Even more important of cousre is how many of these late signers are actually impact players and not filler types.

You are the Mel Kiper of the PL-- get researching  Laughing
carney2

Re: Do We Have A Signing Day Strategy?

Franks Tanks wrote:
You are the Mel Kiper of the PL-- get researching  Laughing


Andy has been anointed with the Mel Keiper label (by Lehigh's equally Keiperish RichH).  I am a mere clerk with a keyboard.
Andy

Re: Do We Have A Signing Day Strategy?

carney2 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
You are the Mel Kiper of the PL-- get researching  Laughing


Andy has been anointed with the Mel Keiper label (by Lehigh's equally Keiperish RichH).  I am a mere clerk with a keyboard.


Thanks, but I just try to find the info and share. I'd guess Tanks was referring to post signing day when you furnish your analysis on AGS.

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