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LeopardAlum

Everything needs to change.....

From the way games are televised to the coaching staff, things need to change.  The only way I can stand to watch a game is to have to tune into the lehigh broadcast becauseLSN uses cameras from 1912.  Ive seen better high school games televised.  Either do it right or dont do it at all.  John leone and gary laubauch cannot get names right...our own players ....who they talk about every week.  And they havent done it right since theyve started.

Coaching staff is a joke.  Not one coach shows fire and passion?  Is it cuz they've given up??  Phil Hallahan is a major coach on this team...he wouldn't even qualify to become an assistant high school coach in the lehigh valley. Mickey Fein.....OVERRATED!!!!  And ever since Clayton joined the coaching staff the oline has sincerely sucked!  

Recruiting is the reason for all of this mess.  Everyone makes excuses for these injuries but if u recruited well enough yr in and yr out than u would have talent with the next man in.  No matter what position.  These kids are suppose to be serious d1 athletes.  Enough of the excuses.  Btw.  U wanna know their recruiting method.  Its this.  Oh lets go out and get kids from Chicago, Kansas, and all these other places.  It will look like Lafayette is nationally known.  We'll look good and we can tell people they were getting looks by bigger colleges but we took em.  When in reality.... Lehigh took a chance on a small school PA stud outta dom bragalone...right outta our backyard.  How do they win this recruiting battle.  We got snuffed just like wen we lost the nate eachus hunt.  Now we are literally gonna watch this kid beat us another 3 yrs.  when was the last time we recruited north jersey?  Hach always made sure they did their due diligence in that area. No. Lets not bother locally as much as we should.  

How much longer are we gonna be satisfied.  The kids on the sidelines watching the game dont give a shit. The coaches don't give a shit.  And what could possibly be the reason Tavani wears a headset? He does nothing.  Not a thing.  He shows no emotion anymore. Has a career losing record. Has all the money in the world.  Car...paid for.  House...lafayette owned.  Kids college to pay off....lafayette did it already.  And banking 6 figures to sit on the sideline with a headset on and looking like hes speaking with an Uber executive.  Cmon man.  

Awesome campus, awesome facilities, great equipment, great donors, shit coaches who recruit wrong for the program. And do u know who suffers??? The kids who are put in positions way over their heads and the alumni who care.  

Amazing how we were more competitive against major  scholarship schools before we had scholarships
flyfisher

Put down the bottle.  We have some very serious issues but not  much of this is correct,  we are all upset,  disappointed and whatsever else word you want to use.  The program is at a crossroads.  Let's see what happens.
LeopardAlum

Explain to me whats not correct? Please do so?
Jpao92

I looked at the game stats out of curiousity.  I assumed that they would tilt heavily in Lehigh's direction.  I was wrong.  Other than passing, and not by much, Lafayettw had all the offensive stats in its favor.   How was it so lobsided then?  Some lowlights:

First possession for Lafayette they Frankasaurus into a three and out.  Sure, establish the run.  They did that on the first play and second.  But keep in mind you need to keep the ball and score because if you get off to a slow start, Lehigh's offense would bury you early.   How did we know that.  Anyone who watched Lehigh play Colgate, the league champion, knew that.  

How many penalties can a team with such a low margin of error afford?  Face mask?!?  Personal fouls, taunting and excessive celebration.   Discipline took a holiday, I see.

Lost in the lobsidedness were some questionable decisions.  A 48 yard field goal?   Bet if they knew at that point how effectively they could move the ball, they would have gone for it.   An on sides kick to begin the half, basically telling Lehigh you were desperate while handing them great field position?  

Then there were the usual self-inflicted wounds.  A kick off out of bounds.  A fumble on Lehigh's goal line returned for a TD?  Not like that kid was fumble prone all year.  Or was he?  Hmmm, but I am sure the staff worked with him, or not.  

On the one hand, what could we expect from a 1-9 team.  On the other, I see why they are 1-9, I mean 1-10, and it rests largely on the leadership at the top of the program or lack thereof.
LeopardAlum

Explain to me whats not correct? Please do so?
Jpao92

I agree with flyfisher that we are at a crossroads.  But I am afraid the powers that be don't see it that way.  Our challenge as alums who care about the College is to find some way to get said powers to see why it is in their interest to change the way that they view and handle athletics.  I have some ideas but am too tired right now.

I was not mad today about that game. We were 1-9 going in.  What could we expect.  Not mad, until however, I saw an advert featuring our favorite asshat AD and our President.  The gist of the add was that our athletic programs let anyone who can play, play.   No bias, no discrimination.  If you can play, you can play.   This is the tripe our idiotic leadership comes up with.  Earth to them, patting yourself on the back for complying with the law is silly.  Hey, I didn't get smashed and drive a car today.  Can I get a cookie from everyone of you on the forum?  

They have dumbed down the standard for success to comprise complying with the law and making sure everyone graduates.  Way to aim low there Lady and asshat.   Aim for the minimum, achieve the minimum pretend it is excellence.  

That is our challenge.  Upping the College's expectations and giving them a reason why it would support the College's larger mission.  Oh, and getting them to listen.
flyfisher

LeopardAlum wrote:
Explain to me whats not correct? Please do so?


the players do give a shit. You don't have a clue on that. Horrible comment.

We do have some talent. The kids know who can play and who can't. We have some players. We also have some holes. When you are 1-10 that is obvious.

Put yourself in their shoes for a minute. The school is tough. There are issues with the team. It's not a great environment with the team. The school socially is an armpit. The culture of the team is an issue but the culture of the school is a bigger problem.

Some things will change. How many, I don't know. But the older kids know things have to change. No way they/we go through this crap again. The good news is the kids are already talking about what is going to change.
BPard

Jpao92 wrote:


I was not mad today about that game. We were 1-9 going in.  What could we expect.  Not mad, until however, I saw an advert featuring our favorite asshat AD and our President.  The gist of the add was that our athletic programs let anyone who can play, play.   No bias, no discrimination.  If you can play, you can play.   This is the tripe our idiotic leadership comes up with.  Earth to them, patting yourself on the back for complying with the law is silly.  Hey, I didn't get smashed and drive a car today.  Can I get a cookie from everyone of you on the forum?  

They have dumbed down the standard for success to comprise complying with the law and making sure everyone graduates.  Way to aim low there Lady and asshat.   Aim for the minimum, achieve the minimum pretend it is excellence.  

That is our challenge.  Upping the College's expectations and giving them a reason why it would support the College's larger mission.  Oh, and getting them to listen.

I didn't understand this commercial either so I googled the link. It is a project supporting homosexual athletes to be out and proud.

Quote:
Gay athletes. Straight allies. Teaming up for respect
Jpao92

I think it goes beyond homosexual athletes.  It spoke to non-discrimination based on sexual orientation and race.  Again, that is something that should be unspoken.  The commercial to me was the College giving itself a big pat on the back for doing what it had better be doing under the law.  Thanks for obeying the law, big of them.

Lafayette, if you can play, you can play.  And if you can't coach worth a shit you can coach for life.
NE Leopard

How about that OLINE performance yesterday? Season high rushing and no sacks allowed. All returning starters are back in 2016, besides depth, that piece of the puzzle is solved.

Now we need some beef on the interior DLINE that can pass rush.
Pards Rule

NE Leopard wrote:
How about that OLINE performance yesterday? Season high rushing and no sacks allowed. All returning starters are back in 2016, besides depth, that piece of the puzzle is solved.

Now we need some beef on the interior DLINE that can pass rush.


I agree NE. I was comforted by its keeping Reed clean - no sacks and for the most time he had the time. Defense knew Franks penchant for running so I was pleased we did reasonably well on the ground. Couldn't believe Desean Brown had 146 until I read in the paper this morning. Also D bottled up Bragalone who had a total of 88 yards, exactly half though on that TD run where he got outside and streaked.
SixtyEighter

Sorry to disagree on Oline- All year yesterday included it failed to block in the crunch time and yesterday gave the ball over to Lehigh early thereby allowing a very good offense to bury us early. The first series was 3 and out and the second was the long field goal into the wind occasioned by failure to continue the drive due to inability to get a first down.By the time they started to block it was 14-0 and we were playing catch up.Further the Lehigh defense was very vulnerable having given up almost as many yards and points to common opponents as we did. They were able to outscore their opponents.The line looked great last year against Lehigh and  our record against everyone else in large part due to offensive line woes was 4-6.
bethlehempard

Fordham got a bid and will play Chattanooga
edge29

SixtyEighter wrote:
Sorry to disagree on Oline- All year yesterday included it failed to block in the crunch time and yesterday gave the ball over to Lehigh early thereby allowing a very good offense to bury us early. The first series was 3 and out and the second was the long field goal into the wind occasioned by failure to continue the drive due to inability to get a first down.By the time they started to block it was 14-0 and we were playing catch up.Further the Lehigh defense was very vulnerable having given up almost as many yards and points to common opponents as we did. They were able to outscore their opponents.The line looked great last year against Lehigh and  our record against everyone else in large part due to offensive line woes was 4-6.


Online did a very good job yesterday.  That first 3rd down run you mention was not on the online.  I blame scheme or Brown.  Brown had 7-8 yards to run just to reach the line of scrimmage!  Either he should know that and get on his horses or change the scheme.  NO Oline can keep holes open that long.

Edit: I've repeated this year after year...our  O scheme needs to change. Very predictable with and occasional TE seam down the middle.  WRs are rarely open on the sidelines.  They have to rely acrobatic catches. meanwhile our opponents take advantage of holes in our secondary (the way a passing attack should).   Our running game relies on slow developing ride and decide runs plays. Our QB is not a consistent running threat so why do it?  Downhill running plays go a long way towards helping the rb and online get some momentum. I could go on and on...
Lafalum

edge29 wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
Sorry to disagree on Oline- All year yesterday included it failed to block in the crunch time and yesterday gave the ball over to Lehigh early thereby allowing a very good offense to bury us early. The first series was 3 and out and the second was the long field goal into the wind occasioned by failure to continue the drive due to inability to get a first down.By the time they started to block it was 14-0 and we were playing catch up.Further the Lehigh defense was very vulnerable having given up almost as many yards and points to common opponents as we did. They were able to outscore their opponents.The line looked great last year against Lehigh and  our record against everyone else in large part due to offensive line woes was 4-6.


Online did a very good job yesterday.  That first 3rd down run you mention was not on the online.  I blame scheme or Brown.  Brown had 7-8 yards to run just to reach the line of scrimmage!  Either he should know that and get on his horses or change the scheme.  NO Oline can keep holes open that long.

Edit: I've repeated this year after year...our  O scheme needs to change. Very predictable with and occasional TE seam down the middle.  WRs are rarely open on the sidelines.  They have to rely acrobatic catches. meanwhile our opponents take advantage of holes in our secondary (the way a passing attack should).   Our running game relies on slow developing ride and decide runs plays. Our QB is not a consistent running threat so why do it?  Downhill running plays go a long way towards helping the rb and online get some momentum. I could go on and on...


I agree our running back schemes take too long to develop, especially on short yardage situations. Several times Brown was dancing at the line of scrimmage looking for holes after spending 6 yards getting there. Asking an oline to sustain blocks that long is unrealistic. I would rather see a hole open up as the back gets to the line of scrimmage….the faster the better!!
flyfisher

NE Leopard wrote:
How about that OLINE performance yesterday? Season high rushing and no sacks allowed. All returning starters are back in 2016, besides depth, that piece of the puzzle is solved.

Now we need some beef on the interior DLINE that can pass rush.


With the scheme we run on Dline we are not going to get much pressure. They are told to engage the o linemen and stay in lanes and gaps. No spin moves because you can get out of your lane or get caught inside plus you turn your back on the play for a second. DE's can't take an inside rush, unless there is a stunt, because you loose contain. So after a while the lineman knows you are only taking an outside rush, you make yourself predictable and easy to block. All this negates the strength of our DE's. They are a fast group. Let them use their biggest strength. At DT we have no depth. We lost Alford to academics, Chuma filled in well but a 215 lb fullback/lber is going on have a long day at DT. We lost one starting DT for the year to injury. We lost Wright for the year. Fragpane came in as Lber and now plays DT. One of our DE's yesterday had never played the position until this fall. Andy Lubadov is still not  healthy. What do you guys expect?

On top of that we send 4 while the o line typically has 5-6 blockers. We only get pressure when we run a stunt or blitz. Most of our sacks came from the d linemen occupying the o linemen which freed up Bryant to blitz and come in unblocked. That is really the only time we get pressure, however it is effective. Plus with the shotgun and a 3 step drop there is very little time to get there. It would also help if we could cover a little better which forces the QB to hold on to the ball a little longer. When the QB is 7-8 steps deep and getting rid of the ball in under 3 seconds, we are not going to get any sacks.  Reed got sacked a lot and some of that is on the o line but some of it is on the WR not getting open so Reed hangs on to it a little longer.
bethlehempard

Austin Peay just finished an 0-11 year for their eighth straight losing season. Maybe there are others.
Lafayette is not the worst but there must be change now.
flyfisher

The title of this thread is correct. I can't discuss specifics but the situation is worse than many of us thought. The program is definitely at a crossroads.
edge29

flyfisher wrote:
The title of this thread is correct. I can't discuss specifics but the situation is worse than many of us thought. The program is definitely at a crossroads.


Tease.  Haha
bethlehempard

Right. Next year's homecoming opponent, Moravian.
The finances behind Lafayette's sports don't make a lot of sense but they don't anywhere in the league.
Putting $300,000 in scholarships on the field per game is an issue especially when a team is 1-10.
We have some good players. We also have several who aren't worth the $250,000 investment. That's not their fault.
We have more than our share of misses in recruiting.
I went over our list of current freshmen with a PL scout last year. He commended a few, said some were in the edge, didn't know about a few. There were three he was amazed by, two he insisted had to have some family or other connection. So far he was accurate.
It's not easy getting the right players but everybody else has done a much better job in the scholarship era.
Enough of this crap.
Andy

edge29 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
The title of this thread is correct. I can't discuss specifics but the situation is worse than many of us thought. The program is definitely at a crossroads.


Tease.  Haha


Come on, fly!
BPard

Jpao92 wrote:
I think it goes beyond homosexual athletes.

From the website http://youcanplayproject.org/ (which features Lafayette College for making that commercial:

Our Mission wrote:
You Can Play is dedicated to ensuring equality, respect and safety for all athletes, without regard to sexual orientation.
Andy

Many of us may be at a crossroads as far as our donating to the college is concerned.  I didn't intend for my FOF donation to go to puppet shows and prostitutes. The college has some explaining to do.
Jpao92

[quote="flyfisher:51957"]The title of this thread is correct. I can't discuss specifics but the situation is worse than many of us thought. The program is definitely at a crossroads.[/quote]

Please tell me it's not another study or dropping the program all together.  It stinks of that.
Pards Rule

Jpao92 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
The title of this thread is correct. I can't discuss specifics but the situation is worse than many of us thought. The program is definitely at a crossroads.


Please tell me it's not another study or dropping the program all together.  It stinks of that.


No, we went through that in 1999. Once in my lifetime is enough. Fly, I believe your statement has to do with Frank's unpublicized ailment.  Is it cancer?

Hard to believe today marks the 35th anniversary of my first Pard game at home vs Lehigh, a 32-0 wipeout and Neil Putnam's last game.
Zeus

These ridiculous " rumors" which aren't true need to stop.

It's sad to see people are using the loss of a teammate and a crazy amount of injuries which made the season what it was to push their agenda, which of course is off base. Seems like a lot of people were waiting for this to happen to pounce on the program.
bethlehempard

Six losing seasons in a row. 1-10. A handful of wins over winning teams in those years.
Enough with the excuses. Enough with complaints about injuries. Everybody gets them.
You are what your record says you are.
It's time for change. Change with gratitude and respect.
It's time.
Jpao92

Regarding the if you can play, you can play commercial.  Not discriminating based on orientation or whatever is required by the law.  My point stands, the College has dumbed down success to merely existing.  Congrats to them.
Franks Tanks

Zeus wrote:
These ridiculous " rumors" which aren't true need to stop.

It's sad to see people are using the loss of a teammate and a crazy amount of injuries which made the season what it was to push their agenda, which of course is off base. Seems like a lot of people were waiting for this to happen to pounce on the program.


You are so off base.  Very few here have an agenda.  We all just want the best for the program, and continuing to do the same thing over and over is not what is best. Also if it were one bad season that would different, but that isn't the case.  What is the excuse for the 5 prior below 500 seasons?

Also I have no idea what the hell fly is talking a about, but it is not another d3 study.  Then college would and should drop football before going d3.  I hope it does not have to do with Frank's health.
Zeus

if you're citing 6 losing seasons without mentioning weiss, you are pushing an agenda. And of course, there is more of his pillage that isn't public knowledge.

The football program has always been successful under FT when people who know nothing about athletics keep their hands off the program. FACT!
bethlehempard

The confirmation bias is strong.
Odd how other PL schools have blamed bad streaks on ad administrator.
Three classes of scholarship athletes and "theirs" our better than "ours."
Jpao92

[quote="Zeus:51970"]if you're citing 6 losing seasons without mentioning weiss, you are pushing an agenda. And of course, there is more of his pillage that isn't public knowledge.

The football program has always been successful under FT when people who know nothing about athletics keep their hands off the program. FACT![/quote]

Frank, it has not been successful under you.  Unless, of course, your definition of success is parlaying a few great seasons into a tenured position.  I will give you the Weiss years. But the shelf life on that excuse has expired.

1-10, successful, dear lord I don't know where to start with that.
Jpao92

[quote="Zeus:51965"]These ridiculous " rumors" which aren't true need to stop.

It's sad to see people are using the loss of a teammate and a crazy amount of injuries which made the season what it was to push their agenda, which of course is off base. Seems like a lot of people were waiting for this to happen to pounce on the program.[/quote]

I base them on direct conversations with Byerly that left me somewhat alarmed.
The Maroon

Jpao92 wrote:
Regarding the if you can play, you can play commercial.  Not discriminating based on orientation or whatever is required by the law.  My point stands, the College has dumbed down success to merely existing.  Congrats to them.


I don't think it has to do with patting themselves on the back - it's just building their brand (ie advertising).  A lot of kids now check to see if schools are LGBTQ (I can't remember exactly how it's ordered) friendly. Furthermore it made the school look like a pretty nice place to spend four years - for everybody.

Overall I thought it was pretty good marketing - it was certainly shot well. We've done dumber things over the years.
The Maroon

Zeus wrote:
if you're citing 6 losing seasons without mentioning weiss, you are pushing an agenda. And of course, there is more of his pillage that isn't public knowledge.

The football program has always been successful under FT when people who know nothing about athletics keep their hands off the program. FACT!


Things weren't this bleak during the Rothkopf study years - and that was one dark era. Obviously replacing Marist with Delaware and Columbia with William and Mary plays a role - but we had two years where we basically brought in nobody any other program wanted much to do with and we lost a few nice players in the process.

We're in year 3  of scholarship classes - at what point is it realistic to expect more than this?

I don't know who to blame at this point - Leopard fans kind of going into things knowing we aren't going to have eras of sustained dominance - and hell, losing to Lehigh yesterday was hardly a crime - but you're basically telling us we have no right to expect more. At what point can we expect more?
RichH

Reading this thread is depressing,even for a Lehigh guy. One thing stands out to me. Both flyfisher and zeus refer to nonpublic facts and issues that would help mollify,or at least explain,the current situation.
Why are those facts secret? Six in a row to my mind does call for some actual communication to alumni and students .
Well.just my two cents. Good luck.
The Maroon

RichH wrote:
Reading this thread is depressing,even for a Lehigh guy. One thing stands out to me. Both flyfisher and zeus refer to nonpublic facts and issues that would help mollify,or at least explain,the current situation.
Why are those facts secret? Six in a row to my mind does call for some actual communication to alumni and students .
Well.just my two cents. Good luck.


Ah...A year ago we were on top of the world...Such is the life of fanatics like us!
pards123

RichH wrote:
Reading this thread is depressing,even for a Lehigh guy. One thing stands out to me. Both flyfisher and zeus refer to nonpublic facts and issues that would help mollify,or at least explain,the current situation.
Why are those facts secret? Six in a row to my mind does call for some actual communication to alumni and students .
Well.just my two cents. Good luck.


Agreed. These cryptic comments are absurd. This is an anonymous forum. Post them or don't. Some of us are closer to things than others, this is known, stop hyping up these things if you aren't going to say what it is
RichH

The Maroon wrote:
RichH wrote:
Reading this thread is depressing,even for a Lehigh guy. One thing stands out to me. Both flyfisher and zeus refer to nonpublic facts and issues that would help mollify,or at least explain,the current situation.
Why are those facts secret? Six in a row to my mind does call for some actual communication to alumni and students .
Well.just my two cents. Good luck.


Ah...A year ago we were on top of the world...Such is the life of fanatics like us!

So true. Agonizing Smile
BillS

pards123 wrote:
RichH wrote:
Reading this thread is depressing,even for a Lehigh guy. One thing stands out to me. Both flyfisher and zeus refer to nonpublic facts and issues that would help mollify,or at least explain,the current situation.
Why are those facts secret? Six in a row to my mind does call for some actual communication to alumni and students .
Well.just my two cents. Good luck.


Agreed. These cryptic comments are absurd. This is an anonymous forum. Post them or don't. Some of us are closer to things than others, this is known, stop hyping up these things if you aren't going to say what it is
I have some inside info but I'm not telling , all I'll say is that a coaching vacancy might happen very soon Wink
NE Leopard

bethlehempard wrote:
Right. Next year's homecoming opponent, Moravian.
The finances behind Lafayette's sports don't make a lot of sense but they don't anywhere in the league.
Putting $300,000 in scholarships on the field per game is an issue especially when a team is 1-10.
We have some good players. We also have several who aren't worth the $250,000 investment. That's not their fault.
We have more than our share of misses in recruiting.
I went over our list of current freshmen with a PL scout last year. He commended a few, said some were in the edge, didn't know about a few. There were three he was amazed by, two he insisted had to have some family or other connection. So far he was accurate.
It's not easy getting the right players but everybody else has done a much better job in the scholarship era.
Enough of this crap.


Would love to see the list of the current freshmen that you reviewed with a PL scout? I know there were a number of our players that had multiple offers from PL, Ivy, CAA and a few FBS offers. Why did they come to LC? Probably because they felt it was the right fit academically and athletically, or maybe they saw opportunity to get early playing time, maybe they were enamored with our great facilities, or maybe they just wanted a great education and playing D1 football was a secondary reason. Unless you interview every kid, you will never know. In addition, the pool of kids all PL schools are going after is pretty small. That said I can assure you that not all 7 PL schools will pursue every kid based on their needs for that class, the region they recruit and many other factors I will not go into here.

From what I've seen so far, the current freshmen class has a good nucleus of kids that will be major contributors going forward along with others that were injured that are expected to contribute. I've said this before, there is no other school in the PL that has as many Freshman and Sophomores starting. Maybe we didnt have a great first recruiting class, but there are good players such as Staudle, Vangelas, Rothrock, etc. that appear to be solid.

This next class (2016) will be a key step to see how good we can be for the extended future.
Lafalum

Jpao92 wrote:
Zeus wrote:
These ridiculous " rumors" which aren't true need to stop.

It's sad to see people are using the loss of a teammate and a crazy amount of injuries which made the season what it was to push their agenda, which of course is off base. Seems like a lot of people were waiting for this to happen to pounce on the program.


I base them on direct conversations with Byerly that left me somewhat alarmed.


This is getting absurd and out of line!!
flyfisher

Jpao92 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
The title of this thread is correct. I can't discuss specifics but the situation is worse than many of us thought. The progr
am is definitely at a crossroads.


Please tell me it's not another study or dropping the program all together.  It stinks of that.


No, nothing like that. At least not that I know of.
flyfisher

Pards Rule wrote:
Jpao92 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
The title of this thread is correct. I can't discuss specifics but the situation is worse than many of us thought. The program is definitely at a crossroads.


Please tell me it's not another study or dropping the program all together.  It stinks of that.


No, we went through that in 1999. Once in my lifetime is enough. Fly, I believe your statement has to do with Frank's unpublicized ailment.  Is it cancer?

Hard to believe today marks the 35th anniversary of my first Pard game at home vs Lehigh, a 32-0 wipeout and Neil Putnam's last game.


I don't think we should be discussing the Coach's health. This is not the place to speculate on something serious and private. My comments stick to football and the college. Were talking just football here. No wild rumors, no speculation.
Jpao92

[quote="Lafalum:51982"]

This is getting absurd and out of line!![/quote]

Not sure how I am out of line.  I was at a few games where I engaged the President.  At one in particular I put forth a position that having winning teams and a strong athletic program served the College's interests.  I learned during the conversation that she was not aware that the football team had a losing record for five years running, that most of our other teams had losing records as well.  As a matter of fact, the year I had this conversation with her not a single varsity sport had a winning record.

Her response was that we had to be careful not to push too hard on improving athletics.   I asked why, and got a response to the effect that it would give ammo to those who wanted to take athletics in a different direction.

That conversation alarmed me.  Sorry if that is "out of line" but it is what happened.
Lafalum

Jpao92 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:


This is getting absurd and out of line!!


Not sure how I am out of line.  I was at a few games where I engaged the President.  At one in particular I put forth a position that having winning teams and a strong athletic program served the College's interests.  I learned during the conversation that she was not aware that the football team had a losing record for five years running, that most of our other teams had losing records as well.  As a matter of fact, the year I had this conversation with her not a single varsity sport had a winning record.

Her response was that we had to be careful not to push too hard on improving athletics.   I asked why, and got a response to the effect that it would give ammo to those who wanted to take athletics in a different direction.

That conversation alarmed me.  Sorry if that is "out of line" but it is what happened.


It's out of line because it was a conversation from 2 years ago. It may or may not represent her feelings today.  She is well aware of the culture at the school and is in the middle of a major fundraising effort. To date, I am aware she has given respectful and attentive audiences to those who have a deep supportive interest in a good athletic program and has and will take action that is appropriate to support that effort. From my understanding those conversations have been within the last two weeks. I am willing to give her the space needed right now.
She has my support in those efforts!! The speculation about the coach's health is just that, uniformed and inaccurate and none of our business.
Jpao92

Ok, so it's out of line because it doesn't jive with your narrative.  Got it.  You set up a nice straw man there.  Namely, you imply that I felt
that the President was rude, non-responsive or dismissive.  I did not.

Like it or not that is what she said ONE year ago and again this year when I spoke to her again.  Now, if she has changed her view, so much the better and I am glad to hear it.

In the meantime, the status quo is as it is. Please be a bit soft on us alums not in the deep know.
Jpao92

Oh, and I did not speculate on Frank's health.  I may feel Frank is doing a poor job but he is a good man.  I wish him nothing but the best.
RichH

Factscare never out of line. Time may alter their relevance today but does not alter the statement itself. Out of line would have been if the date was omitted.
edge29

Lafalum wrote:
She is well aware of the culture at the school and is in the middle of a major fundraising effort..


Fundraising for what?  Another gender studies hall? Or maybe another piece of useless real estate in the flood zone?  We're all now well aware of what 150 did NOT do for athletics and how the fball budget can't even provide a hotel for the athletes. What makes you think any of us non-connected Alum give a rats a** about another "fundraising effort"?!  It sounds like you sir are part of the problem.

Maroon, you got me fired up last night!  Mad
Lafalum

edge29 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
She is well aware of the culture at the school and is in the middle of a major fundraising effort..


Fundraising for what?  Another gender studies hall? Or maybe another piece of useless real estate in the flood zone?  We're all now well aware of what 150 did NOT do for athletics and how the fball budget can't even provide a hotel for the athletes. What makes you think any of us non-connected Alum give a rats a** about another "fundraising effort"?!  It sounds like you sir are part of the problem.

Maroon, you got me fired up last night!  Mad


Part of the problem?? If you knew me you'd never say that. I think this president listens as opposed to the last two who never knew or uttered the truth. I love the passion here, I'm just giving her some space. Our problem is a BOT leadership that lives in the 1980's.
a leadership that by the way was missing from the HOF dinner and the game on Saturday. She lives with that BOT as well. Keep the fire going guys….Im with you. The problem as I have said repeatedly is not just football and not only money.
bethlehempard

Sagarin rating: 237 out of 253, ahead of Austin Peay, Wagner, Jackson State, Florida A&M, Howard, Alabama A&M, Texas Southern, Delaware State, East Tennessee State, Savannah State, Houston Baptist, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Stetson, Mississippi Valley State, Valparaiso and Davidson.

It's Weiss's fault!!!
SIDELINER

The Morning Call's followup looks ahead to 2016:

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...otball-follow-20151122-story.html

The E-T has nothing new after a big Sunday package.
NewXbo

bethlehempard wrote:
Right. Next year's homecoming opponent, Moravian.
The finances behind Lafayette's sports don't make a lot of sense but they don't anywhere in the league.
Putting $300,000 in scholarships on the field per game is an issue especially when a team is 1-10.
We have some good players. We also have several who aren't worth the $250,000 investment. That's not their fault.
We have more than our share of misses in recruiting.
I went over our list of current freshmen with a PL scout last year. He commended a few, said some were in the edge, didn't know about a few. There were three he was amazed by, two he insisted had to have some family or other connection. So far he was accurate.
It's not easy getting the right players but everybody else has done a much better job in the scholarship era.
Enough of this crap.


What is a PL scout? Are you referring to an NFL scout who scouts the PL? Why would they be scouting freshmen?
bethlehempard

A former player who evaluates high school players for a team. Mainly in northeastern PA and far upstate NY. He found the class to be mixed. Not great not bad. A couple odd choices.
He doesn't claim it's an exact science.
Franks Tanks

Good God, I am starting to think that Frank and company will be back next year.  2016 will be a 2-4 win season, and another lost year. What purpose does this serve?
LeopardBall10

I hadn't been on the board since about the end of the 3rd quarter on Saturday. After reading through this thread just a few things.

1. Those people who are upset about the speculation regarding coach's health have not need to be. Frank seems to be pretty open with it. If he is ok talking to the press about his health then I am ok discussing what they write. The morning call has this in the past article:

Quote:
Tavani will be itching to get on the recruiting trail again in a couple of weeks, but he has to go into the hospital on Tuesday for a medical procedure to rectify a situation that put him in the hospital nine days ago, hindered him all week and had him in pain at the end of Saturday's game.


Now, we don't know what the situation is, and maybe we are best not to speculate there, but Frank has let us all know that he is having medical problems more than just the heart attack this year.

2. I don't know Zues or his affiliation with the program but Fly is open about his son being on the team. While I am as curious as the next guy to the vague comments being made I have to respect the fact some locker room talk was divulged in confidence at home. Anyone who has been in any locker room knows that "what we do here, what we say here stays here" so the fact that we don't get more detail is out of respect more than anything.

3. I truly believe that the talent level of this team did not warrant a 1-10 season. Especially when healthy(er) in the last 3 games this team could run with the opposition. The bigger issue is that the talent never develops, or often times regresses. Reed is a good QB, but his decision making has gotten worse. Brown is a legit FCS running back, but his vision and footwork have not improved since his HS film. The O-Line does not improve one year to the next even with a majority of guys who played snaps previously returning. The DBs and LBs were all better players as sophomores than they are as seniors.

4. Obviously this team is at a crossroads. The fans and alums are obviously upset. The team is environment has to be cracked, I don't know how you maintain a locker room during that kind of season. Recruiting is going to be more difficult than ever due to the recent losing seasons, the potential for a coach on the last year of his contract who admits health problems to the media, and alumni dissent. Unfortunately, the clock is ticking to make any changes. If we don't see a choice in direction my Christmas you can bet that no decision has been made. And be sure to note that I said a choice of direction. At this point, I don't even think change is a realistic expectation because of the track record of the decision makers. So, I am am now just calling for a direction. Show me the vision of the college for this program. But something tells me that the decision I will get is one of omission.

I am probably going to take a break from this board for a while. I hope that some decision draws me back before next season, but I doubt it.
Franks Tanks

Thanks Leopardball10.

#3 is the largest issue. We can talk about this and give examples all day as there are so many.  I will just ask that we think back to 2013 and remember the L/L game that year, and remember how the two QB's played then vs. today.  People say what happened to #7?  A few years being coached at Lafayette happened to #7.  We should hire his HS coach.


http://www.goerie.com/article/201...ach-faces-challenges-old-and-new#

Bruce is a complete disgrace if he allows this to continue (but i'm sure he will).  The article above is about Edinboro University, a D-II school near Erie, PA. Edinboro is a poor, rinky-dink PA state school and a member of the PSAC.  Per the article they give out like 12 scholarships total.  The AD fired a coach who has a career winning record after an 0-11 season.  He publically stated that yeas we face challenges, but we can and should do better.  He said there is someone out there who will turn this program around, and I will find that person.  When has Bruce ever said anything like that?

Olympic wrestler Bruce Baumgartner is the AD at Edinboro by the way.  This dude cares about winning, ours seems to have no idea that actually winning is part of the goal of running an athletic department.
Lafalum

Franks Tanks wrote:
Thanks Leopardball10.

#3 is the largest issue. We can talk about this and give examples all day as there are so many.  I will just ask that we think back to 2013 and remember the L/L game that year, and remember how the two QB's played then vs. today.  People say what happened to #7?  A few years being coached at Lafayette happened to #7.  We should hire his HS coach.


http://www.goerie.com/article/201...ach-faces-challenges-old-and-new#

Bruce is a complete disgrace if he allows this to continue (but i'm sure he will).  The article above is about Edinboro University, a D-II school near Erie, PA. Edinboro is a poor, rinky-dink PA state school and a member of the PSAC.  Per the article they give out like 12 scholarships total.  The AD fired a coach who has a career winning record after an 0-11 season.  He publically stated that yeas we face challenges, but we can and should do better.  He said there is someone out there who will turn this program around, and I will find that person.  When has Bruce ever said anything like that?

Olympic wrestler Bruce Baumgartner is the AD at Edinboro by the way.  This dude cares about winning, ours seems to have no idea that actually winning is part of the goal of running an athletic department.


totally agree.
Franks Tanks

Lafalum wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Thanks Leopardball10.

#3 is the largest issue. We can talk about this and give examples all day as there are so many.  I will just ask that we think back to 2013 and remember the L/L game that year, and remember how the two QB's played then vs. today.  People say what happened to #7?  A few years being coached at Lafayette happened to #7.  We should hire his HS coach.


http://www.goerie.com/article/201...ach-faces-challenges-old-and-new#

Bruce is a complete disgrace if he allows this to continue (but i'm sure he will).  The article above is about Edinboro University, a D-II school near Erie, PA. Edinboro is a poor, rinky-dink PA state school and a member of the PSAC.  Per the article they give out like 12 scholarships total.  The AD fired a coach who has a career winning record after an 0-11 season.  He publically stated that yeas we face challenges, but we can and should do better.  He said there is someone out there who will turn this program around, and I will find that person.  When has Bruce ever said anything like that?

Olympic wrestler Bruce Baumgartner is the AD at Edinboro by the way.  This dude cares about winning, ours seems to have no idea that actually winning is part of the goal of running an athletic department.


totally agree.


I am getting a bit fired up, and don't want to resort to personal attacks. I will try to remain calm here! However I did want to share the below quote from the Edinboro AD.

""There's a formula out there for having success for a school that's in our situation," Baumgartner said. "I can't sit here at this moment and say I know exactly what it is. But you have to keep trying to find it.""

We need this type of attitude. I think expectations of all of our coaches should be reasonable, but we need some expectations!  The coach at Edinboro had a career record of 57-54 (this is after an 0-11 season).  He had been with the school for 30 years as well so he was a loyal soldier.  D2 schools with 12 scholarships and a 3,000 seat stadium should not have higher expectations than we do.
edge29

Lafalum wrote:
edge29 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
She is well aware of the culture at the school and is in the middle of a major fundraising effort..


Fundraising for what?  Another gender studies hall? Or maybe another piece of useless real estate in the flood zone?  We're all now well aware of what 150 did NOT do for athletics and how the fball budget can't even provide a hotel for the athletes. What makes you think any of us non-connected Alum give a rats a** about another "fundraising effort"?!  It sounds like you sir are part of the problem.

Maroon, you got me fired up last night!  Mad


Part of the problem?? If you knew me you'd never say that. I think this president listens as opposed to the last two who never knew or uttered the truth. I love the passion here, I'm just giving her some space. Our problem is a BOT leadership that lives in the 1980's.
a leadership that by the way was missing from the HOF dinner and the game on Saturday. She lives with that BOT as well. Keep the fire going guys….Im with you. The problem as I have said repeatedly is not just football and not only money.


I didn't mean to lash out at you.  I'm just so tired of people making excuses for the people around this program.

Four years ago we couldn't wait until our little sleeping giant got scholarships.  Now?
Andy

SIDELINER wrote:
The Morning Call's followup looks ahead to 2016:

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...otball-follow-20151122-story.html

The E-T has nothing new after a big Sunday package.


Thanks, Paul. Great news that Bo will be fine and that Mercado will return.

I share the opinion on the QB play and fear it won't improve until the incoming QB is a soph or jr.  It seems to me QB recruiting was an after thought the last few years, banking on Reed.
SIDELINER

I just read that Edinboro article, and my initial comment is: Don't get too fired up. Here are a couple of sentences.

"Browning repeatedly said this season he believed a culture change was underway within his program. It was his way of acknowledging recent problems including a pair of shootings connected to football players, as well as an admission that he, like many coaches, had probably reached at times for talent that might have hastened a turnaround but arrived with risk attached."

Sounds like the 0-11 season might have been a small piece of the puzzle. Sounds like the coach AND the university have to take blame in bringing in "risk attached" student-athletes. Besides, that coach's slide wasn't overnight. The story says he had 12 wins over the last four seasons. I don't know how long Baumgarten has been AD, but if he was allowing almost anyone to be recruited, that doesn't speak well.

Not so say that there are no bad apples occasionally at Lafayette, either. We've seen some of that. But the standards are so far above what was apparently going on at Edinboro that to equate the two in any way besmirches the entire Leopard staff. The Edinboro coach wasn't winning while running a questionable program and competing against schools that give less. I think you'll see that the results at Lafayette -- not only on the field, but in the classroom and the work-a-day world -- are outstanding. Check a website called LinkedIn. Type in the name of a Lafayette grad like Rob Curley. Pretty soon you'll see links to a bunch of other former football players who are doing quite well for themselves. I'd not want to see Lafayette step into the gutter (nor would the powers on campus allow that).
Franks Tanks

SIDELINER wrote:
I just read that Edinboro article, and my initial comment is: Don't get too fired up. Here are a couple of sentences.

"Browning repeatedly said this season he believed a culture change was underway within his program. It was his way of acknowledging recent problems including a pair of shootings connected to football players, as well as an admission that he, like many coaches, had probably reached at times for talent that might have hastened a turnaround but arrived with risk attached."

Sounds like the 0-11 season might have been a small piece of the puzzle. Sounds like the coach AND the university have to take blame in bringing in "risk attached" student-athletes. Besides, that coach's slide wasn't overnight. The story says he had 12 wins over the last four seasons. I don't know how long Baumgarten has been AD, but if he was allowing almost anyone to be recruited, that doesn't speak well.

Not so say that there are no bad apples occasionally at Lafayette, either. We've seen some of that. But the standards are so far above what was apparently going on at Edinboro that to equate the two in any way besmirches the entire Leopard staff. The Edinboro coach wasn't winning while running a questionable program and competing against schools that give less. I think you'll see that the results at Lafayette -- not only on the field, but in the classroom and the work-a-day world -- are outstanding. Check a website called LinkedIn. Type in the name of a Lafayette grad like Rob Curley. Pretty soon you'll see links to a bunch of other former football players who are doing quite well for themselves. I'd not want to see Lafayette step into the gutter (nor would the powers on campus allow that).


I get it, and it is clear that we shouldn't lower standards for our players.  We don't need to do that, and can certainly  win while still recruiting fine young student athletes.  

Point taken regarding the situation at Edinboro,and its not an apples to apples situation, but I think the point of having an AD and a program that values winning is the main one I was trying to make.
edge29

Andy wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
The Morning Call's followup looks ahead to 2016:

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...otball-follow-20151122-story.html

The E-T has nothing new after a big Sunday package.


Thanks, Paul. Great news that Bo will be fine and that Mercado will return.

I share the opinion on the QB play and fear it won't improve until the incoming QB is a soph or jr.  It seems to me QB recruiting was an after thought the last few years, banking on Reed.


That's awesome about Mercado.  What about Brockman insiders?  What was his injury?
Andy

edge29 wrote:
Andy wrote:
SIDELINER wrote:
The Morning Call's followup looks ahead to 2016:

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...otball-follow-20151122-story.html

The E-T has nothing new after a big Sunday package.


Thanks, Paul. Great news that Bo will be fine and that Mercado will return.

I share the opinion on the QB play and fear it won't improve until the incoming QB is a soph or jr.  It seems to me QB recruiting was an after thought the last few years, banking on Reed.


That's awesome about Mercado.  What about Brockman insiders?  What was his injury?


Brockman was a huge loss at strike. Not sure on the injury (need that insider) but it was suffered before the first game. Taking his 5th year at grad school I believe.
Pards Rule

flyfisher wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
Jpao92 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
The title of this thread is correct. I can't discuss specifics but the situation is worse than many of us thought. The program is definitely at a crossroads.


Please tell me it's not another study or dropping the program all together.  It stinks of that.


No, we went through that in 1999. Once in my lifetime is enough. Fly, I believe your statement has to do with Frank's unpublicized ailment.  Is it cancer?

Hard to believe today marks the 35th anniversary of my first Pard game at home vs Lehigh, a 32-0 wipeout and Neil Putnam's last game.


I don't think we should be discussing the Coach's health. This is not the place to speculate on something serious and private. My comments stick to football and the college. Were talking just football here. No wild rumors, no speculation.



Yes your're right and I apologize but after reading Frank's quote in the MC I was very concerned, but I should not have speculated. I have never called for Frank's firing or resignation. he has done a lot for the program and while we all are exceeding disappointed in this season and previous ones, I have an affection for Coach Tavani. I would like him to continue his tenure. He knows what has to be done.
Franks Tanks

Eastern Kentucky and Montana State fired their head coaches today.  Both teams made the playoffs in 2014, and I believe both had winning records this year.  

Montana State's coach had a record of 70-38 at the school and still got canned. This is how other schools in our own division behave.
SIDELINER

Franks Tanks wrote:
Eastern Kentucky and Montana State fired their head coaches today.  Both teams made the playoffs in 2014, and I believe both had winning records this year.  

Montana State's coach had a record of 70-38 at the school and still got canned. This is how other schools in our own division behave.


The lead paragraph from a story in the Missoulian:

"Under scrutiny for its handling of sexual assault allegations involving athletes, the University of Montana on Thursday fired both football coach Robin Pflugrad and athletic director Jim O’Day."

And about the Montana State coach, this lead paragraph on another site:

"Montana State fired football coach Mike Kramer on Friday, several days after another former Bobcats athlete was arrested on drug charges."

I don't want to use those kinds of examples here.
Franks Tanks

SIDELINER wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Eastern Kentucky and Montana State fired their head coaches today.  Both teams made the playoffs in 2014, and I believe both had winning records this year.  

Montana State's coach had a record of 70-38 at the school and still got canned. This is how other schools in our own division behave.


The lead paragraph from a story in the Missoulian:

"Under scrutiny for its handling of sexual assault allegations involving athletes, the University of Montana on Thursday fired both football coach Robin Pflugrad and athletic director Jim O’Day."

And about the Montana State coach, this lead paragraph on another site:

"Montana State fired football coach Mike Kramer on Friday, several days after another former Bobcats athlete was arrested on drug charges."

I don't want to use those kinds of examples here.


Montana has nothing to do with Montana State, and Mike Kramer hasn't been at Montana State for like 8 years.  

You are also setting up a bit of a straw man here.  None of these coaches I've cited were fired for what happened to some kids off the field.  They were let go because they didn't win enough games.  I will go away now though, and I know winning isn't part of the performance review at Lafayette.
Franks Tanks

Even Columbia regularly fires football coaches.

Even Columbia says "we can do better" although they rarely do!
Andy

bethlehempard wrote:
Sagarin rating: 237 out of 253, ahead of Austin Peay, Wagner, Jackson State, Florida A&M, Howard, Alabama A&M, Texas Southern, Delaware State, East Tennessee State, Savannah State, Houston Baptist, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Stetson, Mississippi Valley State, Valparaiso and Davidson.

It's Weiss's fault!!!


You should have your "PL scout" educate you as to what a 17 member recruiting class does to a program, especially when the comp is bringing in 30-35.
BillS

Andy wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
Sagarin rating: 237 out of 253, ahead of Austin Peay, Wagner, Jackson State, Florida A&M, Howard, Alabama A&M, Texas Southern, Delaware State, East Tennessee State, Savannah State, Houston Baptist, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Stetson, Mississippi Valley State, Valparaiso and Davidson.

It's Weiss's fault!!!


You should have your "PL scout" educate you as to what a 17 member recruiting class does to a program, especially when the comp is bringing in 30-35.
Bottom line does Frank deserve one more year after everything he's been through or for health and mutible losing seasons the Administration says it's time to leave?
NewXbo

Frank is going to be fine. I believe his problem was/is kidney stones.

Let's face it, Frank is not an ass kisser. To quote my good friend Larry Holmes, he "tells it like it is".

I don't understand what happened this season. Why so many injuries? Why such a challenging schedule? Why did we have to rely on so many freshmen? Are some of our position coaches in over their heads? Did admissions make recruiting more difficult?

He has done a lot for the program. He produced some very good teams and very good players. I think he deserves to coach out his contract.
Jpao92

He HAS done a lot for the Program.   He IS in a profession that is not kind to coaches who have done things in the past.  The coaching profession asks what have you done for me lately.   Cruel, but it is the profession he has chosen.  Alas, the excuses and reasons for allowing accountability to take a vacation from Lafayette continue.

By all means, it's all about what Frank deserves.  I mean, working for free all these years, constantly worrying whether they would let him come back and work for free, barely being able to send his kids through College.  Oh, the humanity of it all.  The foorball program?  Hey, people just have to understand that the program is gonna have to wait for poor Frank to get what HE deserves.  Poor guy.
bethlehempard

1-10. Six straight losing seasons. And a hellacious schedule next year to follow up this year's.
Yes, it's important to maintain continuity!
***Oh yeah, not one damn league win in a conference that is not known as the SEC of the FCS, and blown out by a non-scholarship program.
By all means, we need more of this!

Now kidney stones aren't lethal but they can be living hell. Good luck with the extraction. I once got them while out fishing three miles from my car. Vicodin, don't leave home without it.
I blamed Weiss for those stones even then.

Enough season's over best wishes to all. Spin on blame on or whine on, it doesn't matter.
flyfisher

Yes, kidney stones. I have had 36 of them starting at 16 years old. Had basket retrieval, lithotripsy to blast then, had them cut out, and passed them. Hurts but you will live.

XBO asks some good questions. This year was the perfect storm, in a bad way. Many things to address.
Pards Rule

flyfisher wrote:
Yes, kidney stones. I have had 36 of them starting at 16 years old. Had basket retrieval, lithotripsy to blast then, had them cut out, and passed them. Hurts but you will live.

XBO asks some good questions. This year was the perfect storm, in a bad way. Many things to address.


Indeed the perfect storm. Why didn't he just announce kidney stones though?
flyfisher

Pards Rule wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Yes, kidney stones. I have had 36 of them starting at 16 years old. Had basket retrieval, lithotripsy to blast then, had them cut out, and passed them. Hurts but you will live.

XBO asks some good questions. This year was the perfect storm, in a bad way. Many things to address.


Indeed the perfect storm. Why didn't he just announce kidney stones though?


No idea. The players knew. Frankly he probably didn't see the need to announce it. Most close to the program knew it by he weekend but that is not something you talk about. If coach wanted people to know it was up to him to say something.
Franks Tanks

Some here have intimidated that some sort of announcement will be coming in the days ahead.  I have come to terms that we are stuck with Frank for another year, but perhaps Frank will announce he has one more year, and we have a coach is waiting?  I hope this isn't the case, but this is also a possibility.  Frank doesn't strike me as someone who will go out quietly like Biddle.  Frank will want everyone to make a big deal over his retirement.  

Will Mickey be the HC in waiting?  That seems like a classic Bruce move to me.
bethlehempard

Have no fear. Frank has a five-year plan to return the squad to 6-5. It won't be easy and there will be steps backward along that arduous route, but there is hope.
Pards Rule

flyfisher wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Yes, kidney stones. I have had 36 of them starting at 16 years old. Had basket retrieval, lithotripsy to blast then, had them cut out, and passed them. Hurts but you will live.

XBO asks some good questions. This year was the perfect storm, in a bad way. Many things to address.


Indeed the perfect storm. Why didn't he just announce kidney stones though?


No idea. The players knew. Frankly he probably didn't see the need to announce it. Most close to the program knew it by he weekend but that is not something you talk about. If coach wanted people to know it was up to him to say something.



Kind of sums up a weird season in my book. Kidney stones becoming a state secret.
ed65

edge29 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
She is well aware of the culture at the school and is in the middle of a major fundraising effort..


Fundraising for what?  Another gender studies hall? Or maybe another piece of useless real estate in the flood zone?  We're all now well aware of what 150 did NOT do for athletics and how the fball budget can't even provide a hotel for the athletes. What makes you think any of us non-connected Alum give a rats a** about another "fundraising effort"?!  It sounds like you sir are part of the problem.

Maroon, you got me fired up last night!  Mad


You are dead wrong, edge29.  Lafalum is not part of the problem by any means - he is part of the solution.  As I have said so many times on this forum.  It is the BoT and the Weiss/Rothkopf Duo that are the problem.  Our hope is that Alison will listed to those of us who care so deeply about LC Athletics and who understand that D-1 Athletics and the Lehigh Rivalry are part of what is unique about Lafayette (and which distinguishes us from the large number of Liberal Arts Colleges in the Northeast).

Please edge: don't criticize Lafalum.  Talk to BoT members!
ed65

After reading the Post game comments and more importantly having been on campus all weekend including at the HOF Inductions, I am confident that the right messages about athletics are being delivered to the Admin.  And I am cautiously optimistic that things will change.  At LC we strive for excellence in all things and athletics should be at the top of that list.   As I have said, creating a winning culture will take some time but quite a number of steps will be required to do so.  All the steps have been discussed on this forum.  I am doing everything in my power to get the message across to anyone who will listen, and I hope all of you will do the same.
Franks Tanks

http://bangordailynews.com/2015/1...own-take-administrative-position/

Jack Cosgrove is out at Maine.  He technically "steps down" to take a position in the Athletic Department.

23 seasons at Maine
CAA champs in 2013
Better career winning % than Frank

Bruce are you listening? Do you actually do anything?
NE Leopard

Franks Tanks wrote:
http://bangordailynews.com/2015/1...own-take-administrative-position/

Jack Cosgrove is out at Maine.  He technically "steps down" to take a position in the Athletic Department.

23 seasons at Maine
CAA champs in 2013
Better career winning % than Frank

Bruce are you listening? Do you actually do anything?


I wonder if the OC Mickey Fein will be putting his hat in the ring for the Maine job, his alma mater...could be an interesting chain of events.
edge29

ed65 wrote:
edge29 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
She is well aware of the culture at the school and is in the middle of a major fundraising effort..


Fundraising for what?  Another gender studies hall? Or maybe another piece of useless real estate in the flood zone?  We're all now well aware of what 150 did NOT do for athletics and how the fball budget can't even provide a hotel for the athletes. What makes you think any of us non-connected Alum give a rats a** about another "fundraising effort"?!  It sounds like you sir are part of the problem.

Maroon, you got me fired up last night!  Mad


You are dead wrong, edge29.  Lafalum is not part of the problem by any means - he is part of the solution.  As I have said so many times on this forum.  It is the BoT and the Weiss/Rothkopf Duo that are the problem.  Our hope is that Alison will listed to those of us who care so deeply about LC Athletics and who understand that D-1 Athletics and the Lehigh Rivalry are part of what is unique about Lafayette (and which distinguishes us from the large number of Liberal Arts Colleges in the Northeast).

Please edge: don't criticize Lafalum.  Talk to BoT members!


Pump the brakes.  Go back a page and you'll see that genie was put back in the bottle.
Pards Rule

NE Leopard wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
http://bangordailynews.com/2015/1...own-take-administrative-position/

Jack Cosgrove is out at Maine.  He technically "steps down" to take a position in the Athletic Department.

23 seasons at Maine
CAA champs in 2013
Better career winning % than Frank

Bruce are you listening? Do you actually do anything?


I wonder if the OC Mickey Fein will be putting his hat in the ring for the Maine job, his alma mater...could be an interesting chain of events.


Interesting scenario...Also interesting to note it was 35 years ago today that Neil Putnam was fired two days after a 32-0 Lehigh loss and finishing a 3-7 season with no TDs in 6 games and the likes of Kings Point, Central Conn and Davidson on the schedule. They actually beat a moribund Penn team in mid Oct 3-0 on Homecoming that year.
Andy

Maybe master researcher 137 can tell us the last time  a LB led the league in tackles and didn't make 1st Team ALL-PL.
Lafalum

Andy wrote:
Maybe master researcher 137 can tell us the last time  a LB led the league in tackles and didn't make 1st Team ALL-PL.


It's a consequence of coming in last.
SixtyEighter

It's hard to imagine anyone getting a job after being OC for a 1-10 team and telling his prospective new employers "It was the injuries."And for 10 of 12 weeks  the offense was one of worst if not the worst in the entire FCS Subdivision.
Andy

Lafalum wrote:
Andy wrote:
Maybe master researcher 137 can tell us the last time  a LB led the league in tackles and didn't make 1st Team ALL-PL.


It's a consequence of coming in last.


Must be - he's grouped with guys that had 40 less tackles than he did. 40 less...
flyfisher

Andy wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Andy wrote:
Maybe master researcher 137 can tell us the last time  a LB led the league in tackles and didn't make 1st Team ALL-PL.


It's a consequence of coming in last.


Must be - he's grouped with guys that had 40 less tackles than he did. 40 less...


While we did not deserve much individual recognition, I was sure Brandon Bryant would be 1st team. After tha not sure we would have any others on any of the 3 teams.
NE Leopard

flyfisher wrote:
Andy wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Andy wrote:
Maybe master researcher 137 can tell us the last time  a LB led the league in tackles and didn't make 1st Team ALL-PL.


It's a consequence of coming in last.


Must be - he's grouped with guys that had 40 less tackles than he did. 40 less...


While we did not deserve much individual recognition, I was sure Brandon Bryant would be 1st team. After tha not sure we would have any others on any of the 3 teams.


I guess based on our record, we are lucky to get a total of 5 on the teams. That said Brandon should be on the first team. I'm sure there are some politics at play as there are with most all-star teams.
SIDELINER

Coach said he didn't want his physical thing to be media focus during the week. He wanted emphasis on the kids. So, he kept it quiet, although the team knew early.
Andy

Congrats, BTW, to seniors Matt Smalley and Dan Dellovade for their first team all-PL selections.  IMO among, if not THE, best at their respective positions during the Tavani era. ST contributors as well. Gonna miss them.  
flyfisher

Andy wrote:
Congrats, BTW, to seniors Matt Smalley and Dan Dellovade for their first team all-PL selections.  IMO among, if not THE, best at their respective positions during the Tavani era. ST contributors as well. Gonna miss them.  


Did not see this. Congrats to those guys.
Pardsfriend

Congratulations

Congratulations to the seniors, and best to them as they begin their occupational professions.

I salute all the kids who received Patriot League honors.

 I hope the staff makes Matt Smalley the bright example to younger players in the program.  Fast, played with an edge, very good cover skills, always looking up the field.  A coach's player, IMO.

 I made my thoughts clear a while back regarding the direction of the program.  

Roll Pards, looking forward to next year....
flyfisher

Re: Congratulations

 I hope the staff makes Matt Smalley the bright example to younger players in the program.  Fast, played with an edge, very good cover skills, always looking up the field.  A coach's player, IMO.


You must be kidding...
ed65

edge29 wrote:
ed65 wrote:
edge29 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
She is well aware of the culture at the school and is in the middle of a major fundraising effort..


Fundraising for what?  Another gender studies hall? Or maybe another piece of useless real estate in the flood zone?  We're all now well aware of what 150 did NOT do for athletics and how the fball budget can't even provide a hotel for the athletes. What makes you think any of us non-connected Alum give a rats a** about another "fundraising effort"?!  It sounds like you sir are part of the problem.

Maroon, you got me fired up last night!  Mad


You are dead wrong, edge29.  Lafalum is not part of the problem by any means - he is part of the solution.  As I have said so many times on this forum.  It is the BoT and the Weiss/Rothkopf Duo that are the problem.  Our hope is that Alison will listed to those of us who care so deeply about LC Athletics and who understand that D-1 Athletics and the Lehigh Rivalry are part of what is unique about Lafayette (and which distinguishes us from the large number of Liberal Arts Colleges in the Northeast).

Please edge: don't criticize Lafalum.  Talk to BoT members!


Pump the brakes.  Go back a page and you'll see that genie was put back in the bottle.


Fair Point.  Good job edge.

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