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bethlehempard

Forget this one. 2016-17 is a new year. Go Pards!

After the two losses this weekend, M and W BB are each 2-7 in league play, a combined 4-14. This was no doubt going to be a tough year all around and we are right on track.
For what, I don't know.
The women are in ninth place (thank you Boston) and the men are last.
The league, particularly on the men's side, is weak this year.

Lehigh, Colgate and other PL schools have NCAA and FCS playoff wins.
When did Lafayette last have one?

Things can only get better.
NewXbo

Were you at the game cheering the team on? I guess not. It was a one point game with 29 seconds left. We had to foul, they made them. We missed our shot and had to foul again. You sound like a quitter, but I can tell you the team did not quit.

Hopefully we get a little winning streak together over the next week. Of course you'll have nothing to post then.

And btw, the women's game was a 2 point game with less than 30 seconds left.
bethlehempard

NewXbo wrote:
Were you at the game cheering the team on? I guess not. It was a one point game with 29 seconds left. We had to foul, they made them. We missed our shot and had to foul again. You sound like a quitter, but I can tell you the team did not quit.

Hopefully we get a little winning streak together over the next week. Of course you'll have nothing to post then.



Hopefully. The personal attacks don't befit this board IMHO. Nobody who follows Lafayette has to justify their degree of fandom to you or anybody.
So snipe away.

The athletic program is a mess and mostly all that's left to fans is hope. Maybe indeed things will turn around.

Until then like Felix Unger, I'll just have to try to be happy and peppy and bursting with love.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kcbDxWU45zw

Go Pards!
Lafalum

bethlehempard wrote:
NewXbo wrote:
Were you at the game cheering the team on? I guess not. It was a one point game with 29 seconds left. We had to foul, they made them. We missed our shot and had to foul again. You sound like a quitter, but I can tell you the team did not quit.

Hopefully we get a little winning streak together over the next week. Of course you'll have nothing to post then.



Hopefully. The personal attacks don't befit this board IMHO. Nobody who follows Lafayette has to justify their degree of fandom to you or anybody.
So snipe away.

The athletic program is a mess and mostly all that's left to fans is hope. Maybe indeed things will turn around.

Until then like Felix Unger, I'll just have to try to be happy and peppy and bursting with love.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kcbDxWU45zw

Go Pards!


Another season of losing would not be acceptable in most endeavors. Do I think they are all trying. Sure, but when the losing is department wide you have to look for responsibility. We certainly aren't doing it right!!!
SixtyEighter

New Exbo - College sports are not T-Ball. They are played to win.There are no trophies for trying hard. In this game (Loyola)  the team blew a 12 point lead and scored in single digits in at least 1 quarter possibly in 2.Can you remember the last time the women's basketball team had a winning record ? I can't without consulting the Media Guide , but I would bet it was at least 15 years ago.Is it negative to complain about that type of pathetic record in so many sports ? I don't think so.
Andy

The athletic dept overall is terrible. The AD was brought back after walking away. Did he get any concessions from the admin? Does he advocate for the coaches?  But complaining about men's basketball the year after winning a championship seems odd and will surely/rightfully fall on deaf ears. Anyone paying attention to the women's situation has to feel positive about the future considering the coach and the incoming class. Nolan was a disastrous hire, but that's behind us. Why post negative stuff now?
bethlehempard

Lafayette's athletic program is the doormat of the Patriot League. Two teams - men's golf and field hockey - managed to get into the top half of league standings in the past year. Did I miss anybody? I hope so.
Lafayette's two top sports leaders are coaches-for-life, with losing records.
Maybe we will win another basketball title in 15 years? Maybe? This is the Patriot League, not the ACC.
Maybe we can ride another losing record to a football title?
Maybe the women will have a winning season after a 20-year hiatus? (BTW thank you Coach Grentz for taking the toughest job in D1 WBB).
Negative? Dam. right I'm negative.
I'm not an insider or an expert and sure as hell not a cheerleader.
I'm just disgusted.
Franks Tanks

bethlehempard wrote:
Lafayette's athletic program is the doormat of the Patriot League. Two teams - men's golf and field hockey - managed to get into the top half of league standings in the past year. Did I miss anybody? I hope so.
Lafayette's two top sports leaders are coaches-for-life, with losing records.
Maybe we will win another basketball title in 15 years? Maybe? This is the Patriot League, not the ACC.
Maybe we can ride another losing record to a football title?
Maybe the women will have a winning season after a 20-year hiatus? (BTW thank you Coach Grentz for taking the toughest job in D1 WBB).
Negative? Dam. right I'm negative.
I'm not an insider or an expert and sure as hell not a cheerleader.
I'm just disgusted.


I share your frustration.  There is no reason why the WBB job should be a bad job- we have a full compliment of scholarships and a nice new arena- but yes the many years of losing has no doubt harmed the reputation of the program a great deal.  Fisher had some very good years, but the game probably passed her by at the end.  Smith was dealt a tough hand regarding scholarships, but was also in over her head.  Nolan was a bit of a head scratcher from the start, and didn't seem to have the energy to rebuild the program.  Grentz very much still appears to have the passion and energy, and she most certainly had the coaching chops.  We desperately need her to bring some positive momentum and achieve a winning season!
bison137

bethlehempard wrote:

Maybe the women will have a winning season after a 20-year hiatus? (BTW thank you Coach Grentz for taking the toughest job in D1 WBB.



No question the LC women's job is a tough one right now - but it's actually not the worst in the PL.  Colgate has had a significantly worse PL record than LC in the past decade.   It also has a much worse arena, draws less fans, and is located in the middle of nowhere.

The Nolan hiring was an unforced error of major proportions. It should have been clear to your AD that she was not the person to hire.  That error of judgement set back the program by five years.
ed65

While I do not like to be too critical of coaches, my observations of Coach Nolan are that she often wore leopard print outfits but they did not seem to inspire the team.  She came from Fairfield U. in CT which arguably is an entirely different school in terms of academics than LC.  On another front, she seemed surprised in her first year when the team celebrated so happily after beating LU in the airplane hanger.  My reaction at the time was "Welcome to the rivalry Coach Nolan."  Whether it was the coaching or the players, her record in the second half of the PL season(February) was dismal.
Kpard

We get what we get in terms of players. I am more optimistic on the women's side than I have been in a while. Getting female players to a school like ours should be a lot easier than attracting males. Coach G has a plan and we will see it in action over the next few years.
The men on the other hand are a different story. We are not going to get a one and done or an inner city super star. FOH recruits shooters and scorers and if they are over 6-7, projects. He relies on his ability to try to teach them to play defense and get the most out of each one and hopefully they develope. Scholarships may have made it somewhat easier to get a kid to commit, but, we are gonna get the same type of guy because that is who he wants. I think we are all waiting for the next David Robinson, Adonal Foye, CJ McCollum to spring forth, and maybe he will, but, I wouldn't hold my breath.
This current group is still learning but I like their effort and spunk. Hopefully they can start finishing teams off.
Marooner

ed65 wrote:
She came from Fairfield U. in CT which arguably is an entirely different school in terms of academics than LC.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I don't claim to be an expert, but I think Fairfield deals with some of the same challenges as Lafayette. The academic standards at Lafayette and Fairfield both skew higher (generally) than some of their conference opponents and both tend to benefit from fewer incoming transfers (again, generally).

This is just the eye test on my part, so if somebody has the time and inclination to refute (or confirm) this, I will happily stand corrected.
Andy

Looked like a knee, but article says Nick hurt his ankle. Better than an ACL. Could be a while.
bison137

Marooner wrote:
ed65 wrote:
She came from Fairfield U. in CT which arguably is an entirely different school in terms of academics than LC.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I don't claim to be an expert, but I think Fairfield deals with some of the same challenges as Lafayette. The academic standards at Lafayette and Fairfield both skew higher (generally) than some of their conference opponents and both tend to benefit from fewer incoming transfers (again, generally).

This is just the eye test on my part, so if somebody has the time and inclination to refute (or confirm) this, I will happily stand corrected.



I think the academics of Nolan's recruits at Fairfield were pretty good, and Fairfield is clearly much stronger academically than most of the MAAC.   Her problem was that the quality of her recruits got a lot lower over the last five years or so of her tenure.
Kpard

Andy wrote:
Looked like a knee, but article says Nick hurt his ankle. Better than an ACL. Could be a while.


We made a nice run without him in there. Does anyone know his status?
bethlehempard

Grentz is turning this team into fighters.
Meanwhile the stats tell the story for the men. One offensive rebound against Holy Cross. HC lost to Bucknell by 25.
So far this year, a game with 4 for 29 first-half shooting and a game with 72 percent shooting in the first half (and wasn't even ahead!)
This is a record-setting year.
One could argue that any men's team could win the PL tournament. The league is that bad and has no big upsets.
However, only a couple could avoid a walloping in Round One (Two now) of the NCAAs.
Meanwhile at 5-26 in the three major sports, Lafayette is winning one of every six contests. It's a nightmare. It's an outrage.
Worst of all, it's not a surprise. The extent of it, maybe, but lots of losing was expected. That's how far gone this sports program is.
Just another day in Pard Land.
"Don't worry ... Be happy!"
What's going on is mind-boggling.
SixtyEighter

I watched the girl's game yesterday. Fighters or not- they just can't play .They were standing around looking at each other like statues while Jamie O'Hare dribbled in circles trying to find a way to dish it or shoot.
Marooner

I know that these teams don't exist in a vacuum, but I wish the two coaches who have won Patriot League Championships in the very recent past would get a similar benefit of the doubt on this board as the coach who isn't winning in her first year at the helm of a program that has never won.

I know most of you have been around longer than me, so I understand if you don't agree with me on that. But I hope that when the time comes to hire a new football or men's basketball coach, we'll at least remember the (deserved) slack we're giving to Coach G. right now.

Go Leopards (all of them)!
bethlehempard

It's a faint memory, the old days of protecting the home court. Even when Notre Dame and good Penn teams visited. Now KSC is just a speed bump for league opponents. Yes, Navy is a good team. They got the rebound when it mattered.
Go Pards! Break the Streak!
**Maybe next week. What's going on is baffling.
Losing is one thing. We are often not even competitive in all three programs.
bethlehempard

The three leading programs' seasons are done and the result is by any standard the worst season ever. That's with scholarships.
Grentz, Lafayette is behind you as you take on this task worthy of Sisyphus.
Yes MBB won last year which was great. They went 9-9 in the league season then were never in the NCAA game. Worst loss in the tournament.
As for FB, what's to say about it? Nothing. Consecutive 45-0 shutouts. Staggering stats. Stats are for losers? Darned right. Look at them.
On to Army!
I have no answers. I don't understand how losing for the 21st century is tolerated. Just a fan and I wonder why sometimes.
Every other core school has an FCS, NCAA or NIT win in this century. We don't.
No excuses. No more Teflon Twins.
Does Lafayette have the right people giving out scholarships worth a quarter-million dollars to teenagers and then developing those players?
Is this even worth asking? Does it matter?
The ROI is low. Fan interest is dropping.
Lafayette is a doormat in a weak league.
Great school. Good location. Scholarships. Great alumni. Successful graduates.
The results are an outrage. What in hell is going on?
Kpard

The harsh reality is, when it comes to our athletic programs we value graduation rate more than we value championships or even competitiveness. Unless we figure out how to satisfy both, this is the best it is ever going to be.
NE Leopard

It all starts at the top...if the President and AD don't value winning on the field, then how is it going to trickle down through the coaches and ultimately to the players? They preach "the other things that college athletics do for you like participating, learning time management skills, the spirit of competition, etc, now I didn't say being competitive or winning, which doesn't appear to be in their vocabulary right now.

The losing culture is like a cancer that infiltrates every aspect of the sports programs. Lafayette athletics are the laughing stock of the Patriot League, every team can now circle dates with LC with a win in their column. The only thing that will probably get the President's attention is if the donations stop coming in. Somebody needs to wake up and do something about it!
seenalot

Change starts at the top - no change there, no change elsewhere.

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