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PessimisticPard

Frank's Last Laf/Lehigh game?

Can we hope this is Frank' last Laf-Lehigh game?

I'm praying for a Tuesday Luncheon where we don't hear the same old bull****. Announce it already Frank.

Grow a set and let these team out of the grips of you collecting a check and hanging out in your office.
pardfan

New rule:  No offensive linemen over 270.  This 300 lb stuff is crazy.  These guys can't move.
Pard4Life

I hope he announces he's out so we have reason to cheer post-Lehigh game... we know it won't be from the score...
PessimisticPard

I just don't see any justification to keep him.

Incompetent Recruiter
Incompetent Game Manager
Incompetent Play Caller (Even though he doesn't call them)
Incompetent Leader of Men (Players & Fellow Coaches)

He can manage and produce some money, mainly one big donor. Other than that he is losing the younger alums who don't come back.
pardfan

Thank goodness we now have a consulting firm to help get us out of this mess????

I was starting to think this was going to last forever.
BillS

pardfan wrote:
Thank goodness we now have a consulting firm to help get us out of this mess.

I was starting to think this was going to last forever.
1 more game announcement on monday.
Franks Tanks

As each week passes it seems more unlikely that Frank will announce a retirement.  No matter what he says he loves the attention, and would announce before Lehigh so he gets attention.  I think he is expecting to be back next year. Will Bruce and his bosses pull the trigger?  Has his fate already been decide, or do we need to wait for the full consultant report?  Do we bring Frank and his entire staff back for guaranteed losing season 8 in a row?  Maybe we want to go for 10!
Franks Tanks

We may have seen the last of Tom Gilmore at Holy Cross.  The saders played Fordham at Yankee Stadium today, and were down 40-7 at halftime.
Pard4Life

I have little doubt we will see Frank next year on the sidelines.

I'm only going to the Lehigh game out of tradition. Game will be uncompetitive by halftime.
bethlehempard

Attendance at Yankee Stadium today:
21,375.
One team in the city. The other connected by Amtrak (about a four-hour trip not counting getting to Boston, about another hour).
With that, about 40 percent of the crowd of 150.
pardfan

FWIW     Chicago Bears are 2-6   and have given up 79 points in 4th quarter while scoring 30 (worst performance in NFL)  

When I heard that I thought I should check our record
We are 2-8     with 84  against and 35 for in 4th quarter

NFL (I'm not a fan) is a different game.  Tons of "back-door covers" (never heard that term 'til this a.m.)   A team like the Lions has won five games where they were behind with 90 seconds to go.
Franks Tanks

pardfan wrote:
FWIW     Chicago Bears are 2-6   and have given up 79 points in 4th quarter while scoring 30 (worst performance in NFL)  

When I heard that I thought I should check our record
We are 2-8     with 84  against and 35 for in 4th quarter

NFL (I'm not a fan) is a different game.  Tons of "back-door covers" (never heard that term 'til this a.m.)   A team like the Lions has won five games where they were behind with 90 seconds to go.


We are usually already way behind by her time the 4th quarter starts!
SixtyEighter

If Frank is being "retired" it has to be done quickly and a new coach found to not lose a year of recruiting to the extent possible.We are already years behind he rest of the league plus some players may leave and need to be replaced.There are a lot of guys on the bench we have not seen who might be as good as their press.We want to hold as many players who are competent as possible.A new coach will bring in his own players as well.
pardfan

The "Three Amigos" must go.  Bruce, Fran, and Frank.  A partial fix won't do; and, as 68er (basically) just said, time is precious.  MBB and FB will be harder to fix the longer we wait.
edge29

Reality check fellas.  This is Lafayette and if you think someone from outside of the program will be brought in to resurrect the program, you haven't been paying attention.  Hell, Frank isn't going anywhere either.

As much as everyone connected to the program knows now important cleaning house would be, it's not how Lafayette works. Hence the systemic losing.
Lafalum

edge29 wrote:
Reality check fellas.  This is Lafayette and if you think someone from outside of the program will be brought in to resurrect the program, you haven't been paying attention.  Hell, Frank isn't going anywhere either.

As much as everyone connected to the program knows now important cleaning house would be, it's not how Lafayette works. Hence the systemic losing.


Anything less will effect donations...bank on it!!
edge29

Lafalum wrote:
edge29 wrote:
Reality check fellas.  This is Lafayette and if you think someone from outside of the program will be brought in to resurrect the program, you haven't been paying attention.  Hell, Frank isn't going anywhere either.

As much as everyone connected to the program knows now important cleaning house would be, it's not how Lafayette works. Hence the systemic losing.


Anything less will effect donations...bank on it!!


I hope you're right!
artanis

That attendance figure for Yankee Stadium seems low, and if true, embarrassing. A NY area team and a team I thought had at least regional appeal and certainly name recognition. The Lehigh Lafayette game of 2014 was a terrific tribute to those two programs.

On coach Tavani: it's sad to see what is happening. The program seems right back where it was in 1998-99, except with better facilities. But before the roof collapses on him, and fully understanding that football is a marquee sport, the fact that all Leopard teams are struggling mightily portends something much, much deeper. If it was only football, that would be one thing. The fact that this is a college-wide failure means replacing one head coach or even the entire staff may not have the effect most are looking for.
Franks Tanks

artanis wrote:
That attendance figure for Yankee Stadium seems low, and if true, embarrassing. A NY area team and a team I thought had at least regional appeal and certainly name recognition. The Lehigh Lafayette game of 2014 was a terrific tribute to those two programs.

On coach Tavani: it's sad to see what is happening. The program seems right back where it was in 1998-99, except with better facilities. But before the roof collapses on him, and fully understanding that football is a marquee sport, the fact that all Leopard teams are struggling mightily portends something much, much deeper. If it was only football, that would be one thing. The fact that this is a college-wide failure means replacing one head coach or even the entire staff may not have the effect most are looking for.


Several of our sports have no chance.  Several sports have funding and facilities that are better than the league mean, and that would certainly include football.  The rest of the department is irrelevant if your sport is properly funded.  Wofford for example is solid every year in football, and usually pretty dreadful in other sports. If there is department malaise it is at least pretty well attributed to very poor coaching situations is several sports, and a complete inability to make any changes.  WBB will be an interesting study.  We have a coach there that is certainly competent, we all know she is, and she still has the fire to win by all accounts.  If she can't make significant progress in the next 2-3 years, then who knows who can.

Football specifically is different.  At this point an average head coach and staff will help the program greatly.  An above average coach and staff, and this program can contend again in short order.  Frank and his staff are incapable of producing a winning team.  Every day we keep this all in place, it just kicking the can down the road another day, month or year, and there will be no improvement.
Zeus

^
off base again, per usual.
Franks Tanks

Zeus wrote:
^
off base again, per usual.


Right, so I suppose it will turn around next year.
zenator

One problem that seems to go unrecognized is the lack of money available to pay the assistant coaches, which makes it difficult to assemble a top staff. That is not Frank's fault.

Additionally, it takes time to overcome past recruiting failures. The freshman and sophomore classes look strong. Hopefully, we will also have a good recruiting year crop this year.

Finally, this team, despite its record, has not quit and continues to work hard.
bethlehempard

Do peer schools pay more? Some assistant jobs are for careers, others are for a year or two to give somebody a start.
Assistant FB coach at our level is traditionally a low-paid way to get a shot at moving on or moving up.
FT has boasted of the continuity on the staff.

Frank: been there forever
Fein: 9 years
Clayton: 8
Hallahan: 12
Link: 3
McFadden: 8
Dell: 5
Potts: 3 (plus at least seven more years with the college)

There are several new guys too. I would still put up this group's dedication/longevity against any FCS staff.
It just seems that whoever leaves is suddenly viewed as "the one."
Maybe we need more guys who want to move on, not fewer.
Lafalum

bethlehempard wrote:
Do peer schools pay more? Some assistant jobs are for careers, others are for a year or two to give somebody a start.
Assistant FB coach at our level is traditionally a low-paid way to get a shot at moving on or moving up.
FT has boasted of the continuity on the staff.

Frank: been there forever
Fein: 9 years
Clayton: 8
Hallahan: 12
Link: 3
McFadden: 8
Dell: 5
Potts: 3 (plus at least seven more years with the college)



There are several new guys too. I would still put up this group's dedication/longevity against any FCS staff.
It just seems that whoever leaves is suddenly viewed as "the one."
Maybe we need more guys who want to move on, not fewer.


FB has a very stable staff, I am torn if that is good or bad. The other sports are atrocious. There is turnover for the wrong reason. Low paid assistants in losing programs does not make them attractive nor will we attract good assistants.

Also does anyone really believe we have a future head coach in our stable of assistants athletic program wide. When Frank and Fran decide to hang it up does anyone think we will be able to replace them with obvious quality. Same with every other coach in every other sport.

Never, never forget every sport is floundering in losses. We need to look at this problem systemically. Hopefully that is where the study committee will look. Tweeking here and there will not work. I look forward to their conclusions!
ed65

I would echo what Lafalum says about assistants in the non Football Sports.  The assistants who move on to really good programs often come from successful, WINNING programs.  Should Theresa Grentz turn around women's hoops, those three assistants (all three are excellent coaches and good people) will have opportunities to move to really fine jobs if they don't want to stay with her at LC.
NE Leopard

One of the conclusions at the end of this study will be that Lafayette has too many sports for this size school. IMHO, the college needs to cut out some sports and concentrate the resources and money on being not only competitive, but with a goal to win PL championships and play in the NCAA tournaments.

One of the challenges is Title IX obviously, so some hard decisions will have to be made at what men's sports will need to be cut to keep the scholarship levels intact and equitable with the women's scholarships. Keeping football competitive may mean cutting men's baseball, soccer and/or lacrosse (or changing them to club status), or increasing scholarship levels for the other women's sports.

In the end, it is not in the College's best interest to field 23 non-competitive sports programs just to say we have D1 athletics and that 25%+ of the student body plays a sport.
Lafalum

NE Leopard wrote:
One of the conclusions at the end of this study will be that Lafayette has too many sports for this size school. IMHO, the college needs to cut out some sports and concentrate the resources and money on being not only competitive, but with a goal to win PL championships and play in the NCAA tournaments.

One of the challenges is Title IX obviously, so some hard decisions will have to be made at what men's sports will need to be cut to keep the scholarship levels intact and equitable with the women's scholarships. Keeping football competitive may mean cutting men's baseball, soccer and/or lacrosse (or changing them to club status), or increasing scholarship levels for the other women's sports.

In the end, it is not in the College's best interest to field 23 non-competitive sports programs just to say we have D1 athletics and that 25%+ of the student body plays a sport.


You need to keep 16 sports I believe to be in Div1. However, why not just say here are the sports that we are emphasizing and will provide full funding and have higher expectations.
NE Leopard

Lafalum wrote:
NE Leopard wrote:
One of the conclusions at the end of this study will be that Lafayette has too many sports for this size school. IMHO, the college needs to cut out some sports and concentrate the resources and money on being not only competitive, but with a goal to win PL championships and play in the NCAA tournaments.

One of the challenges is Title IX obviously, so some hard decisions will have to be made at what men's sports will need to be cut to keep the scholarship levels intact and equitable with the women's scholarships. Keeping football competitive may mean cutting men's baseball, soccer and/or lacrosse (or changing them to club status), or increasing scholarship levels for the other women's sports.

In the end, it is not in the College's best interest to field 23 non-competitive sports programs just to say we have D1 athletics and that 25%+ of the student body plays a sport.


You need to keep 16 sports I believe to be in Div1. However, why not just say here are the sports that we are emphasizing and will provide full funding and have higher expectations.


News link from when Temple cut down their sports program 3 years ago. I can see a similar trend here.

http://6abc.com/archive/9351556/
Lost Again

23 D1 sports teams and 25%+ of the student body participating is one of LC's most important bumper stickers.  I don't really think anyone wants to replace that with 16 D1 sports teams and 150 more "gender studies" majors.
bison137

Two issues:

1. The NCAA reimburses each school $30,000+ for each sport they have above the minimum of 15.

2. What would the effect be on donations from alums whose sports were dropped?
bethlehempard

Some of those lesser sports bring in great students.
I don't see any huge gain from cutting.
One of Temple's goals was to avoid expensive renovations at its Ambler baseball facility, that and an alumni shakedown for crew.
NE Leopard

bethlehempard wrote:
Some of those lesser sports bring in great students.
I don't see any huge gain from cutting.
One of Temple's goals was to avoid expensive renovations at its Ambler baseball facility, that and an alumni shakedown for crew.


Maybe a new (or renewed) focus on winning. I guess you have to weigh off the coaches salaries vs. lost donations. In the end, it is always going to be a tough decision what to do. Bottom line, we are the laughing stock of the PL as far competitiveness goes. Every competitor circles a "W" on the schedule when they play us. Something has to change...The "L" on our helmets is just a sign of being a loser, not a Leopard.
Lafalum

I want to see if Byerly addresses the issue tonight on her webcast. If she doesn't it's too low on her priority list! Questions can be submitted.
Andy

College using 152 for donation requests as they urge us to ROAR!  Please...

Disgusting, embarrassing mess. FIX IT!
Franks Tanks

Andy wrote:
College using 152 for donation requests as they urge us to ROAR!  Please...

Disgusting, embarrassing mess. FIX IT!


Yes, it is pretty brazen.  Come out and ROAR, and most importantly give us money!  It is very likely that Lehigh will score 50-60 points.  They are coming off a bye and looking for better playoff seeding.  They will also try to host a home game.

The college has also been crushing it with Joe Maddon stuff.  Yes, we should celebrate a successful and famous alum, but the amount of promotion over a successful athletic feat is astounding We celebrate Joe while completely ignoring our own stunning lack of athletic success.  The best was the tweets and posts promoting Joe's "try not to suck" line.  The irony was so strong.
LeopardBall10

Lafalum wrote:
FB has a very stable staff, I am torn if that is good or bad. The other sports are atrocious. There is turnover for the wrong reason. Low paid assistants in losing programs does not make them attractive nor will we attract good assistants.


If you look at the football staff the stability is nice, if it is for the right reason. If you have a coach who turns down other offers to stay on his current staff that means you have a winning program and great chemistry. That is not the case with this staff, no one is getting offers elsewhere or else they would be there. Loose literally took a demotion to move back to the job he held 12 years earlier to get away from Frank.

Lafalum wrote:
Also does anyone really believe we have a future head coach in our stable of assistants athletic program wide.

I thought Mikey was brought in to be the heir-apparent  Rolling Eyes

I know the guys on the football staff very well, and I think a lot of them are very good coaches. The issue is that the entire program is a quagmire and I don't think anyone on the inside has the ability to regain the trust of the players that Frank has lost.
NewXbo

NE Leopard wrote:
One of the conclusions at the end of this study will be that Lafayette has too many sports for this size school. IMHO, the college needs to cut out some sports and concentrate the resources and money on being not only competitive, but with a goal to win PL championships and play in the NCAA tournaments.

One of the challenges is Title IX obviously, so some hard decisions will have to be made at what men's sports will need to be cut to keep the scholarship levels intact and equitable with the women's scholarships. Keeping football competitive may mean cutting men's baseball, soccer and/or lacrosse (or changing them to club status), or increasing scholarship levels for the other women's sports.

In the end, it is not in the College's best interest to field 23 non-competitive sports programs just to say we have D1 athletics and that 25%+ of the student body plays a sport.


Why not drop football? That way you are only impacting one sport. Using your approach there will be a lot of sports dropped, particularily on the women's side. Bad strategy.
Andy

Franks Tanks wrote:
Andy wrote:
College using 152 for donation requests as they urge us to ROAR!  Please...

Disgusting, embarrassing mess. FIX IT!


Yes, it is pretty brazen.  Come out and ROAR, and most importantly give us money!  It is very likely that Lehigh will score 50-60 points.  They are coming off a bye and looking for better playoff seeding.  They will also try to host a home game.

The college has also been crushing it with Joe Maddon stuff.  Yes, we should celebrate a successful and famous alum, but the amount of promotion over a successful athletic feat is astounding We celebrate Joe while completely ignoring our own stunning lack of athletic success.  The best was the tweets and posts promoting Joe's "try not to suck" line.  The irony was so strong.


You mean we shouldn't expect Coen to return Frank's gift when Coen was on the ropes? The "Happy for Andy Coen" disgrace.  Not likely. Coaches who have to win to retain their jobs don't do that.   Can only imagine how they view a coach who has no fear of losing his job when they live with the pressure of having to produce.   "Give me scholarships and I'll compete for a national championship."   "Thank you, Alison Byerly for supporting the program at an unprecedented level." I have the best staff in the FCS." 2-20   More recently, "It is what it is."   "My kids graduate."  Yikes. The no show effort vs HC.  This recent "leadership" style.  Personally I've had enough.

And those who run the show, pocketing the 150 $$$, starving the program of the scholarships others in the league have, and having the nerve to ask for donations. hah!  If you can F-up an athletic department, you can F-up an athletic department.
njleopard

When we started to suck

Can anyone pinpoint when the down fall of Lafayette athletics started? Does it coincide  with a particular President? AD? BOT change?  team? something else? It is shocking that Lehigh  game tickets are no longer an  immediate sell out and long time football and basketball fans  have  to  force themselves to go to a  game since they know they will be witnessing a lot of pain most  of the time.

Even when one attends it is harder to find the loyal Leopards in the stands.
njleopard

[quote="Andy:57750"]College using 152 for donation requests as they urge us to ROAR!  Please...

Disgusting, embarrassing mess. FIX IT![/quote]

You are right.  How can they expect the fans to psyched up about this game?  Keep hoping  for a miracle?
The upset that never happens?

Give more $$ for Lafayette pride?
ed65

NE Leopard wrote:
One of the conclusions at the end of this study will be that Lafayette has too many sports for this size school. IMHO, the college needs to cut out some sports and concentrate the resources and money on being not only competitive, but with a goal to win PL championships and play in the NCAA tournaments.

One of the challenges is Title IX obviously, so some hard decisions will have to be made at what men's sports will need to be cut to keep the scholarship levels intact and equitable with the women's scholarships. Keeping football competitive may mean cutting men's baseball, soccer and/or lacrosse (or changing them to club status), or increasing scholarship levels for the other women's sports.

In the end, it is not in the College's best interest to field 23 non-competitive sports programs just to say we have D1 athletics and that 25%+ of the student body plays a sport.


I cannot imagine cutting baseball (it is well supported and we have been playing since 1869) or soccer or lacrosse.  That simply won't happen
ed65

bison137 wrote:
Two issues:

1. The NCAA reimburses each school $30,000+ for each sport they have above the minimum of 15.

2. What would the effect be on donations from alums whose sports were dropped?


Good point 137 - and a very practical reason not to drop any sports.
Pardsfriend

Staff

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
FB has a very stable staff, I am torn if that is good or bad. The other sports are atrocious. There is turnover for the wrong reason. Low paid assistants in losing programs does not make them attractive nor will we attract good assistants.


If you look at the football staff the stability is nice, if it is for the right reason. If you have a coach who turns down other offers to stay on his current staff that means you have a winning program and great chemistry. That is not the case with this staff, no one is getting offers elsewhere or else they would be there. Loose literally took a demotion to move back to the job he held 12 years earlier to get away from Frank.

Lafalum wrote:
Also does anyone really believe we have a future head coach in our stable of assistants athletic program wide.

I thought Mikey was brought in to be the heir-apparent  Rolling Eyes



I know the guys on the football staff very well, and I think a lot of them are very good coaches. The issue is that the entire program is a quagmire and I don't think anyone on the inside has the ability to regain the trust of the players that Frank has lost.



 In general, I agree with LB10.  From an X And O perspective, our assistant's understand their responsibilities and are dedicated to their function.

We aren't far away from success on the field but the culture has to change quickly.

The one exception I don't share is in recruiting.   IMHO, this staff isn't receptive to student-athletes that are clearly merit qualified on the field and academically.  There are hs players competing in very close proximity who fit the LC profile and would contribute to program success right now, but aren't recruited for various reasons.  And we will, and have lost these players to teams that beat us right now, i.e. Princeton, Lehigh, and Gate.  The kids I'm referencing and familiar with are closeby here in NJ.

 We have the funding, facilities, and an outstanding academic model to offer kids interested in playing in the PL at Lafayette.  I've visited every football playing school in the Patriot League.  Our facilities and infrastructure are right at the top.  


 What must change is the culture and administrative direction of the program.
NE Leopard

NewXbo wrote:
NE Leopard wrote:
One of the conclusions at the end of this study will be that Lafayette has too many sports for this size school. IMHO, the college needs to cut out some sports and concentrate the resources and money on being not only competitive, but with a goal to win PL championships and play in the NCAA tournaments.

One of the challenges is Title IX obviously, so some hard decisions will have to be made at what men's sports will need to be cut to keep the scholarship levels intact and equitable with the women's scholarships. Keeping football competitive may mean cutting men's baseball, soccer and/or lacrosse (or changing them to club status), or increasing scholarship levels for the other women's sports.

In the end, it is not in the College's best interest to field 23 non-competitive sports programs just to say we have D1 athletics and that 25%+ of the student body plays a sport.


Why not drop football? That way you are only impacting one sport. Using your approach there will be a lot of sports dropped, particularily on the women's side. Bad strategy.


Dropping football is always an option. Hofstra, Northeastern, Boston U all did it...probably not a smart move here. They would still have to honor the existing scholarships, so not a major short term savings. My suggestion is a basis for being more competitive. Clearly we are not today in any sport, which is a shame based on the facilities and the quality of education. But honestly, do we need fencing and crew?? Even UConn dropped Lacrosse to club status many, many years ago and it has never surfaced as a varsity sport. I'm trying to play devils advocate in advance of the College's competitive study.
Andy

Re: Staff

Pardsfriend wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
FB has a very stable staff, I am torn if that is good or bad. The other sports are atrocious. There is turnover for the wrong reason. Low paid assistants in losing programs does not make them attractive nor will we attract good assistants.


If you look at the football staff the stability is nice, if it is for the right reason. If you have a coach who turns down other offers to stay on his current staff that means you have a winning program and great chemistry. That is not the case with this staff, no one is getting offers elsewhere or else they would be there. Loose literally took a demotion to move back to the job he held 12 years earlier to get away from Frank.

Lafalum wrote:
Also does anyone really believe we have a future head coach in our stable of assistants athletic program wide.

I thought Mikey was brought in to be the heir-apparent  Rolling Eyes



I know the guys on the football staff very well, and I think a lot of them are very good coaches. The issue is that the entire program is a quagmire and I don't think anyone on the inside has the ability to regain the trust of the players that Frank has lost.



 In general, I agree with LB10.  From an X And O perspective, our assistant's understand their responsibilities and are dedicated to their function.

We aren't far away from success on the field but the culture has to change quickly.

The one exception I don't share is in recruiting.   IMHO, this staff isn't receptive to student-athletes that are clearly merit qualified on the field and academically.  There are hs players competing in very close proximity who fit the LC profile and would contribute to program success right now, but aren't recruited for various reasons.  And we will, and have lost these players to teams that beat us right now, i.e. Princeton, Lehigh, and Gate.  The kids I'm referencing and familiar with are closeby here in NJ.

 We have the funding, facilities, and an outstanding academic model to offer kids interested in playing in the PL at Lafayette.  I've visited every football playing school in the Patriot League.  Our facilities and infrastructure are right at the top.  


 What must change is the culture and administrative direction of the program.


Yes, the culture has to change. However, it wasn't the culture that failed to block the Colgate D-linemen one-on-one, wasnt the culture that dropped a beautifully thrown pass on 3rd and long, wasnt the culture that is inept at tackling, nor confused forever in the secondary. Frank won 3 championships with an anti football administration, a deficient budget,a stadium that was falling apart and a bunch of tough kids that no one else wanted. What changed - the staff and Frank.
edge29

Re: Staff

Andy wrote:
Pardsfriend wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
FB has a very stable staff, I am torn if that is good or bad. The other sports are atrocious. There is turnover for the wrong reason. Low paid assistants in losing programs does not make them attractive nor will we attract good assistants.


If you look at the football staff the stability is nice, if it is for the right reason. If you have a coach who turns down other offers to stay on his current staff that means you have a winning program and great chemistry. That is not the case with this staff, no one is getting offers elsewhere or else they would be there. Loose literally took a demotion to move back to the job he held 12 years earlier to get away from Frank.

Lafalum wrote:
Also does anyone really believe we have a future head coach in our stable of assistants athletic program wide.



I thought Mikey was brought in to be the heir-apparent  Rolling Eyes



I know the guys on the football staff very well, and I think a lot of them are very good coaches. The issue is that the entire program is a quagmire and I don't think anyone on the inside has the ability to regain the trust of the players that Frank has lost.



 In general, I agree with LB10.  From an X And O perspective, our assistant's understand their responsibilities and are dedicated to their function.

We aren't far away from success on the field but the culture has to change quickly.

The one exception I don't share is in recruiting.   IMHO, this staff isn't receptive to student-athletes that are clearly merit qualified on the field and academically.  There are hs players competing in very close proximity who fit the LC profile and would contribute to program success right now, but aren't recruited for various reasons.  And we will, and have lost these players to teams that beat us right now, i.e. Princeton, Lehigh, and Gate.  The kids I'm referencing and familiar with are closeby here in NJ.

 We have the funding, facilities, and an outstanding academic model to offer kids interested in playing in the PL at Lafayette.  I've visited every football playing school in the Patriot League.  Our facilities and infrastructure are right at the top.  


 What must change is the culture and administrative direction of the program.


Yes, the culture has to change. However, it wasn't the culture that failed to block the Colgate D-linemen one-on-one, wasnt the culture that dropped a beautifully thrown pass on 3rd and long, wasnt the culture that is inept at tackling, nor confused forever in the secondary. Frank won 3 championships with an anti football administration, a deficient budget,a stadium that was falling apart and a bunch of tough kids that no one else wanted. What changed - the staff and Frank.


Exactly Andy.  And to pile on, the athletes and facilities are much improved since then.  Tavani's career is the poster child of where resting on your laurels gets you.
BillS

Re: Staff

edge29 wrote:
Andy wrote:
Pardsfriend wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
FB has a very stable staff, I am torn if that is good or bad. The other sports are atrocious. There is turnover for the wrong reason. Low paid assistants in losing programs does not make them attractive nor will we attract good assistants.


If you look at the football staff the stability is nice, if it is for the right reason. If you have a coach who turns down other offers to stay on his current staff that means you have a winning program and great chemistry. That is not the case with this staff, no one is getting offers elsewhere or else they would be there. Loose literally took a demotion to move back to the job he held 12 years earlier to get away from Frank.

Lafalum wrote:
Also does anyone really believe we have a future head coach in our stable of assistants athletic program wide.
 Win or lose on Saturday doesn't change the equation that it's time for new direction! Having said that GoPards!!!


I thought Mikey was brought in to be the heir-apparent  Rolling Eyes



I know the guys on the football staff very well, and I think a lot of them are very good coaches. The issue is that the entire program is a quagmire and I don't think anyone on the inside has the ability to regain the trust of the players that Frank has lost.



 In general, I agree with LB10.  From an X And O perspective, our assistant's understand their responsibilities and are dedicated to their function.

We aren't far away from success on the field but the culture has to change quickly.

The one exception I don't share is in recruiting.   IMHO, this staff isn't receptive to student-athletes that are clearly merit qualified on the field and academically.  There are hs players competing in very close proximity who fit the LC profile and would contribute to program success right now, but aren't recruited for various reasons.  And we will, and have lost these players to teams that beat us right now, i.e. Princeton, Lehigh, and Gate.  The kids I'm referencing and familiar with are closeby here in NJ.

 We have the funding, facilities, and an outstanding academic model to offer kids interested in playing in the PL at Lafayette.  I've visited every football playing school in the Patriot League.  Our facilities and infrastructure are right at the top.  


 What must change is the culture and administrative direction of the program.


Yes, the culture has to change. However, it wasn't the culture that failed to block the Colgate D-linemen one-on-one, wasnt the culture that dropped a beautifully thrown pass on 3rd and long, wasnt the culture that is inept at tackling, nor confused forever in the secondary. Frank won 3 championships with an anti football administration, a deficient budget,a stadium that was falling apart and a bunch of tough kids that no one else wanted. What changed - the staff and Frank.


Exactly Andy.  And to pile on, the athletes and facilities are much improved since then.  Tavani's career is the poster child of where resting on your laurels gets you.
Spardicus80

Reducing the number of sports offered is, in my opinion, a dreadful mistake.
The College has future plans to expand the overall student body by up to 400 students.  Where are they going to come from, and what will be offered when they arrive?  How will they hear about Lafayette, and what will attract them to matriculate?  The answer lies in expanding both the athletic facilities and the funding.

Currently, both the indoor track and the pool facility are too small to hold sanctioned competitive events.  When such events are held, it is not only the competitors who attend.  They bring along coaches, families, and younger brothers and sisters.  They see the school, and go home to spread the word. Athletics is a terrific marketing tool.  By reducing the number of sports offered, you reduce the chances that future student athletes visit the school or even hear about Lafayette.  It places an added strain on the admissions office to market the school.

Like any tool, the athletics department must be maintained.  Funding needs to be increased to attract good coaches, and their assistants need to be paid a competitive wage.  Likewise, there needs to be accountability at all levels.  Excellence must not simply be the goal, but the standard.  Consistent losing can't be tolerated, and everyone in the department must understand that poor performances will not be tolerated - that changes will be made if the results are substandard.
Pardsfriend

Re: Staff

Andy wrote:
Pardsfriend wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
FB has a very stable staff, I am torn if that is good or bad. The other sports are atrocious. There is turnover for the wrong reason. Low paid assistants in losing programs does not make them attractive nor will we attract good assistants.


If you look at the football staff the stability is nice, if it is for the right reason. If you have a coach who turns down other offers to stay on his current staff that means you have a winning program and great chemistry. That is not the case with this staff, no one is getting offers elsewhere or else they would be there. Loose literally took a demotion to move back to the job he held 12 years earlier to get away from Frank.

Lafalum wrote:
Also does anyone really believe we have a future head coach in our stable of assistants athletic program wide.

I thought Mikey was brought in to be the heir-apparent  Rolling Eyes



I know the guys on the football staff very well, and I think a lot of them are very good coaches. The issue is that the entire program is a quagmire and I don't think anyone on the inside has the ability to regain the trust of the players that Frank has lost.



 In general, I agree with LB10.  From an X And O perspective, our assistant's understand their responsibilities and are dedicated to their function.

We aren't far away from success on the field but the culture has to change quickly.

The one exception I don't share is in recruiting.   IMHO, this staff isn't receptive to student-athletes that are clearly merit qualified on the field and academically.  There are hs players competing in very close proximity who fit the LC profile and would contribute to program success right now, but aren't recruited for various reasons.  And we will, and have lost these players to teams that beat us right now, i.e. Princeton, Lehigh, and Gate.  The kids I'm referencing and familiar with are closeby here in NJ.

 We have the funding, facilities, and an outstanding academic model to offer kids interested in playing in the PL at Lafayette.  I've visited every football playing school in the Patriot League.  Our facilities and infrastructure are right at the top.  


 What must change is the culture and administrative direction of the program.


Yes, the culture has to change. However, it wasn't the culture that failed to block the Colgate D-linemen one-on-one, wasnt the culture that dropped a beautifully thrown pass on 3rd and long, wasnt the culture that is inept at tackling, nor confused forever in the secondary. Frank won 3 championships with an anti football administration, a deficient budget,a stadium that was falling apart and a bunch of tough kids that no one else wanted. What changed - the staff and Frank.


 The examples you cite make my point.

That the program repeatedly makes these mistakes is in part attributable to the culture which permits them to exist over time.  The other part is our athletic administration apparently lacks metrics that holds our current staff accountable.
LeopardBall10

Re: Staff

BillS wrote:


I was wondering where you were Bill. Monday has come and gone and my balloons are deflated and my champagne got warm waiting for the big announcement.

BillS

Re: Staff

LeopardBall10 wrote:
BillS wrote:


I was wondering where you were Bill. Monday has come and gone and my balloons are deflated and my champagne got warm waiting for the big announcement.

Just wishful thinking with a hint of sarcasm, I respect what Frank did to resurrect the program after it was almost dead but it's almost dead again and hopefully Frank can show some class and step aside so it can resurrected again....GoPards beat Lehigh!!!
artanis

Seven straight losing seasons.

Since then, with an infusion of support and dollars and improved facilities, add four classes of merit scholarship athletes...

Still, seven straight losing seasons.

Complete roster turnover, still seven straight losing seasons.

Two "studies", and the losing continues.

During the seven seasons, same exact coaching staff.

(Maybe a second study is not needed, for football anyway).
LeopardBall10

I hate to point this out, because I really want to believe in the this new study under a new president, but I just saw that LafAlumn cited an April 15th target completion date for the study from the webcast this week. If the consultant won't finish the study until the end of the spring semester there won't be any changes made until at least the summer of 2017. And no AD or president is crazy enough to fire a coaching staff in the summer, 2 months before camp starts.

Unless Frank is already planning on "retiring" the timing of the study makes it look like we have another year with this same staff. And if Frank is retiring, how do you hire a new coach and staff while this study is going on?
Lafalum

LeopardBall10 wrote:
I hate to point this out, because I really want to believe in the this new study under a new president, but I just saw that LafAlumn cited an April 15th target completion date for the study from the webcast this week. If the consultant won't finish the study until the end of the spring semester there won't be any changes made until at least the summer of 2017. And no AD or president is crazy enough to fire a coaching staff in the summer, 2 months before camp starts.

Unless Frank is already planning on "retiring" the timing of the study makes it look like we have another year with this same staff. And if Frank is retiring, how do you hire a new coach and staff while this study is going on?


As I said in the other string...there is no perfect time. It's just important it get done and something happens. If nothing changes, or we never see the conclusions it's a waste of time and will effect donations at the very least.
Franks Tanks

LeopardBall10 wrote:
I hate to point this out, because I really want to believe in the this new study under a new president, but I just saw that LafAlumn cited an April 15th target completion date for the study from the webcast this week. If the consultant won't finish the study until the end of the spring semester there won't be any changes made until at least the summer of 2017. And no AD or president is crazy enough to fire a coaching staff in the summer, 2 months before camp starts.

Unless Frank is already planning on "retiring" the timing of the study makes it look like we have another year with this same staff. And if Frank is retiring, how do you hire a new coach and staff while this study is going on?


Your logic is of course correct.

I am hoping that while the study won't be completed for 6 months, some immediate recommendations may be shared earlier.  Like you need a new football coach.  Since we are fond of consultants, perhaps we can use a search firm or hire an outside party to help with the search.  Probably wishful thinking, but one scenario that is technically possible. But overall I agree that it appears we will see Frank again in 2017.  Pretty much no other school in the country, at any level, would put up with this.
Lafalum

Franks Tanks wrote:
 Pretty much no other school in the country, at any level, would put up with this.


Which we all know is the root of the problem. Remember this is NOT just football, this athletic program has not had a winning season in any sport for what now is three years or is it four years!! However, I believe this will be the last chance in my lifetime to fix it.
My donations to anything are frozen until I see the results.
NewXbo

Frank will retire at the end of this season.  I've been told by an outsider that Frank said he was going to retire and move to his house at the beach.
BillS

NewXbo wrote:
Frank will retire at the end of this season.  I've been told by an outsider that Frank said he was going to retire and move to his house at the beach.
He'll love retirement at the beach 🐳🍹🌴just like me ☺
Pards Rule

Re: When we started to suck

njleopard wrote:
Can anyone pinpoint when the down fall of Lafayette athletics started? Does it coincide  with a particular President? AD? BOT change?  team? something else? It is shocking that Lehigh  game tickets are no longer an  immediate sell out and long time football and basketball fans  have  to  force themselves to go to a  game since they know they will be witnessing a lot of pain most  of the time.

Even when one attends it is harder to find the loyal Leopards in the stands.


Actually I think I can. I still see Jerome Rudolph all alone in the end zone waiting for the OT TD pass (and assumed PAT which would have won the game) from Rob Curley in 2009 in Bethlehem in aq game that was ours to lose - and we did laying an egg. I'm sure Nathan Padilla still has nightmares about his fumble in the end zone. I was watching from the grassy knoll on that extremely mild day. We had a very good 2009 run ending with the heartbreaking loss to HC the week before on a TD with 6 seconds left and then the OT loss to Lehigh. We were 5 years in a losing streak to LU from 2008-12 before outlier wins against them in 2013 and #150. Can you think of any other significant win from 2010 on besides those two and the upset of Fordham the week before Lehigh in 2013? It seems that was the loss that it all came crashing down. We really havent been the same "little school on the Hill" group of overachieving "misfits" since.
bethlehempard

Beating Fordham in the title year was huge.
Pards Rule

bethlehempard wrote:
Beating Fordham in the title year was huge.


Haha I reread it fixing it up before I saw your post and then amended it to include that stunner BP!
flyfisher

Franks Tanks wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
I hate to point this out, because I really want to believe in the this new study under a new president, but I just saw that LafAlumn cited an April 15th target completion date for the study from the webcast this week. If the consultant won't finish the study until the end of the spring semester there won't be any changes made until at least the summer of 2017. And no AD or president is crazy enough to fire a coaching staff in the summer, 2 months before camp starts.

Unless Frank is already planning on "retiring" the timing of the study makes it look like we have another year with this same staff. And if Frank is retiring, how do you hire a new coach and staff while this study is going on?


Your logic is of course correct.ff

I am hoping that while the study won't be completed for 6 months, some immediate recommendations may be shared earlier.  Like you need a new football coach.  Since we are fond of consultants, perhaps we can use a search firm or hire an outside party to help with the search.  Probably wishful thinking, but one scenario that is technically possible. But overall I agree that it appears we will see Frank again in 2017.  Pretty much no other school in the country, at any level, would put up with this.


Most AD's have several sports agents that represent coaches on speed dial. Though I doubt we do. But even lower level coaches have agents. Bruce should have or know of a network of agents and coaches if he is on top of things.
LeopardBall10

flyfisher wrote:
Most AD's have several sports agents that represent coaches on speed dial. Though I doubt we do. But even lower level coaches have agents. Bruce should have or know of a network of agents and coaches if he is on top of things.


HA! I can almost guarantee that Bruce doesn't even know who Mickey Fein's agent is. Neither Frank or Bruce have any connections to other coaches, ADs, schools... nothing. Frank has not been the annual AFCA convention in 20 years and I don't think Bruce has ever been.
The Maroon

Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?

This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...
Kpard

The Maroon wrote:
Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?

This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...


Based on the number of other posts, you are not alone. It is a fait accompli.
Andy

The Maroon wrote:
Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?



This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...


Will be at the game with my son, cause that's a tradition, but:

Lost all interest when the team had no interest in beating a Holy Cross team which had done much damage to our seasons in recent past.

Head coach seems lost in space. "It is what it is;" The kids graduate;" and, now, "They practice hard" ($60,000 a year and they practice hard. Awesome!). Whatever...  Revelations here and elsewhere as to his "leadership" cause serious concern.

Played the cheerleader role early on, posted on AGS my thoughts that we had the best OL personnel in years, weapons all over the field and a superior DL. I'm embarrassed.  And DONE.  Please stop calling/emailing for a donation.  Maybe next year...
The Maroon

I just saw the college put out a puff piece on how Draeland James is now ready for life AFTER Lafayette because of some internship...at Cintas...I would argue that Draeland would have had a similar experience at any PL school - and he probably would have won a few more games.
I think we're all tired of the narrative that insinuates our athletes are somehow being "saved" through their association with Lafayette. It's an insult to the athletes who had to show a good deal of self-discipline and intelligence to even get into Lafayette.
Yes - we have great kids and they graduate! That's a D3 mantra...We're supposed to place some emphasis on WINNING...

Actually - they try to win in D3 too.
flyfisher

LeopardBall10 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Most AD's have several sports agents that represent coaches on speed dial. Though I doubt we do. But even lower level coaches have agents. Bruce should have or know of a network of agents and coaches if he is on top of things.


HA! I can almost guarantee that Bruce doesn't even know who Mickey Fein's agent is. Neither Frank or Bruce have any connections to other coaches, ADs, schools... nothing. Frank has not been the annual AFCA convention in 20 years and I don't think Bruce has ever been.


If true this is true it is very sad We should always attend the annual coaches convention and so should Bruce as AD.
Pards Rule

The Maroon wrote:
Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?

This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...


My 37th and agreed. Just cant get into it at all. If Frank were going to resign I would assume he would do it before Lehigh game a la his mentor, Bill Russo, in 1999.
flyfisher

The Maroon wrote:
I just saw the college put out a puff piece on how Draeland James is now ready for life AFTER Lafayette because of some internship...at Cintas...I would argue that Draeland would have had a similar experience at any PL school - and he probably would have won a few more games.
I think we're all tired of the narrative that insinuates our athletes are somehow being "saved" through their association with Lafayette. It's an insult to the athletes who had to show a good deal of self-discipline and intelligence to even get into Lafayette.
Yes - we have great kids and they graduate! That's a D3 mantra...We're supposed to place some emphasis on WINNING...

Actually - they try to win in D3 too.


This is where I really get pissed. So now the College is going to claim credit for preparing Draeland for a sales job a Cintas selling floor mats and soap cleaners to industrial and commercial sites. Granted, their management makes 150-200 k once you get up the ladder but please dont try to sell me that LC prepared him for a janitorial sales job. I know Draeland well. He will achieve much more and it isn't because of LC football. He could have gotten this educational n several places and he could get a sales job at Cintas from almost any college. Some of the Cintas guys that call on my plants didn't even go to college.
Pards Rule

flyfisher wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
I just saw the college put out a puff piece on how Draeland James is now ready for life AFTER Lafayette because of some internship...at Cintas...I would argue that Draeland would have had a similar experience at any PL school - and he probably would have won a few more games.
I think we're all tired of the narrative that insinuates our athletes are somehow being "saved" through their association with Lafayette. It's an insult to the athletes who had to show a good deal of self-discipline and intelligence to even get into Lafayette.
Yes - we have great kids and they graduate! That's a D3 mantra...We're supposed to place some emphasis on WINNING...

Actually - they try to win in D3 too.


This is where I really get pissed. So now the College is going to claim credit for preparing Draeland for a sales job a Cintas selling floor mats and soap cleaners to industrial and commercial sites. Granted, their management makes 150-200 k once you get up the ladder but please dont try to sell me that LC prepared him for a janitorial sales job. I know Draeland well. He will achieve much more and it isn't because of LC football. He could have gotten this educational n several places and he could get a sales job at Cintas from almost any college. Some of the Cintas guys that call on my plants didn't even go to college.


Too funny. You have got to be kidding me.
Zeus

If you follow the way the college takes credit for everything and how they make everything about them... this shouldn't be surprising.
ELB

I leave on a long trip to Easton tomorrow morning.  Will meet about 15 other family members to watch my grandson's last game.  I have been watching this kid proudly from the stands, along with other family, since he started in PeeWee football many years ago.  Anyone that has played a sport, or that has rooted for a loved one playing a sport, must recognize the bitter sweetness of watching one's sporting career coming to an end.  And yet, I know that Lafayette College and Lafayette football have provided Collin a springboard for success in his life after football.  Collin has certainly taken advantage of the path provided for him at LC.
So best of luck to you Collin - and to your buddies, like Draeland and many others, Saturday.
I will miss seeing Collin's friends and fellow players; I will miss joking with the parents before and after  games; I will miss rubbing shoulders with LC alumni; and the Lafayette Inn, Fisher Stadium, the campus, Giacomo's.
I will be watching the Leopards in the future, because I am hooked on LC football.
Best of luck to the Leopards - on Saturday and long after!
1990honda

[quote="ELB:57852"]I leave on a long trip to Easton tomorrow morning.  Will meet about 15 other family members to watch my grandson's last game.  I have been watching this kid proudly from the stands, along with other family, since he started in PeeWee football many years ago.  Anyone that has played a sport, or that has rooted for a loved one playing a sport, must recognize the bitter sweetness of watching one's sporting career coming to an end.  And yet, I know that Lafayette College and Lafayette football have provided Collin a springboard for success in his life after football.  Collin has certainly taken advantage of the path provided for him at LC.
So best of luck to you Collin - and to your buddies, like Draeland and many others, Saturday.
I will miss seeing Collin's friends and fellow players; I will miss joking with the parents before and after  games; I will miss rubbing shoulders with LC alumni; and the Lafayette Inn, Fisher Stadium, the campus, Giacomo's.
I will be watching the Leopards in the future, because I am hooked on LC football.
Best of luck to the Leopards - on Saturday and long after![/quot

Thanks for the positive message and congratulations to your grandson.
flyfisher

ELB see you Friday. Sorry i could not be there tonight. Give him a hug for me. To your post above, the boys will leave with good degrees and some lasting friendships. i wish the football could have been different.
Andy

Surprised at the negative reaction to the piece on Draeland.  College taking credit?  I dont see it that way, but you guys are a lot closer to the situation than I.  Great young man from a supportive family comes north, kills it academically in a double major, earns an internship from a football alum, impresses and comes away with a management trainee offer.   Congrats to Draeland and his family. Well done!
Andy

Collin so poised, eloquent on Tuesday.  Talking about the challenge and going to battle with his friends one more time.  In my view a player who has progressed every year.  When a fan gets down and fed up with some things as they are, it's a quality young man like Collin that'll draw you back in.
pardfan

flyfisher wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
I just saw the college put out a puff piece on how Draeland James is now ready for life AFTER Lafayette because of some internship...at Cintas...I would argue that Draeland would have had a similar experience at any PL school - and he probably would have won a few more games.
I think we're all tired of the narrative that insinuates our athletes are somehow being "saved" through their association with Lafayette. It's an insult to the athletes who had to show a good deal of self-discipline and intelligence to even get into Lafayette.
Yes - we have great kids and they graduate! That's a D3 mantra...We're supposed to place some emphasis on WINNING...

Actually - they try to win in D3 too.


This is where I really get pissed. So now the College is going to claim credit for preparing Draeland for a sales job a Cintas selling floor mats and soap cleaners to industrial and commercial sites. Granted, their management makes 150-200 k once you get up the ladder but please dont try to sell me that LC prepared him for a janitorial sales job. I know Draeland well. He will achieve much more and it isn't because of LC football. He could have gotten this educational n several places and he could get a sales job at Cintas from almost any college. Some of the Cintas guys that call on my plants didn't even go to college.



There are going to be a lot of forks in the road for Draeland and the others.  The trick is to get on the road.  If uhnw is one's objective, it can be done from starting anywhere--including $5/hr (1971 $).  The important thing is to be doing what you enjoy.  Picking up sales skills at this age is critically important.  Good luck to the young man.
The Maroon

I guess this qualifies as the pregame thread.

The ET put together one of those damn scrolling picture stories that have become a mainstay in journalism these days. It's not entirely void of useful info but it's close.

How about "TAVANI'S LAST GAME?" as a substory?

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/s...eys_to_lehigh_at_lafayette.html#0
bethlehempard

Really now ... Draeland got a job with an S&P 500 company with a $12 billion market value that employs 35,000 people and operates worldwide.
That first corporate job is important. The product may be mundane, but so are French fries. There is a lot of money in French fries, and in uniforms.
There's nothing bad about this.
ed65

Pards Rule wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?

This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...


My 37th and agreed. Just cant get into it at all. If Frank were going to resign I would assume he would do it before Lehigh game a la his mentor, Bill Russo, in 1999.


I'm getting close to attending 50 L/L Games - I missed a few in the 90s and sometimes don't go when it is in Bethlehem so I'm not sure of the exact number.

Have to admit that beating Lehigh is (down deep) more important to me than PL Championships and Playoffs but I get why Championships and Playoffs are so important.  Beating Lehigh is more of an emotional thing i guess..
The Maroon

bethlehempard wrote:
Really now ... Draeland got a job with an S&P 500 company with a $12 billion market value that employs 35,000 people and operates worldwide.
That first corporate job is important. The product may be mundane, but so are French fries. There is a lot of money in French fries, and in uniforms.
There's nothing bad about this.


You're missing my point and I'm not interested in rehashing it because I'm too excited about the big game tomorrow.

Seriously - it's FRIDAY - and all we've got to talk about is this?!

Which actually was kind of my point in the first place.
Franks Tanks

Word out of Woo is that Holy Cross folks recieved an email that Gilmore will be back for next year.  Thinking Frank will be as well.  We can all but guarantee an 8th losing season in a row, which has to be a new low for this program.
bethlehempard

I will go in slightly late to avoid seeing any idiotic protest in the stands and leave early to avoid seeing disaster on the field.
I can't believe FT will be back. If he is, boycott home games.
Even if we somehow pull off a win, he can't come back.
The atmosphere on a good fall day early in the Lehigh game is too good to miss.
Andy

Franks Tanks wrote:
Word out of Woo is that Holy Cross folks recieved an email that Gilmore will be back for next year.  Thinking Frank will be as well.  We can all but guarantee an 8th losing season in a row, which has to be a new low for this program.


They also claim Pujhols will be coming back for his 7th season. (seems like).  I'm sure  Gilmore argued for a shot at 4 full seasons with his star player.   We will, of course, be starting over at QB.
Franks Tanks

Andy wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Word out of Woo is that Holy Cross folks recieved an email that Gilmore will be back for next year.  Thinking Frank will be as well.  We can all but guarantee an 8th losing season in a row, which has to be a new low for this program.


They also claim Pujhols will be coming back for his 7th season. (seems like).  I'm sure  Gilmore argued for a shot at 4 full seasons with his star player.   We will, of course, be starting over at QB.


Yes, he will be back.  I firmly believe he could've played after missing a few games, but was held out, or held himself out, because the season was over as far as winning the league. Impossible to prove, but just a hunch.
bethlehempard

Pujals, RB Gabe Guild and OLs James Murray and Nick Piker have asked for medical redshirts.
The Maroon

Wow - so he may well leave HC having played in 48 fricking games...

That kind of goes against the spirit of the whole thing...

Whatever...
Andy

The Maroon wrote:
Wow - so he may well leave HC having played in 48 fricking games...

That kind of goes against the spirit of the whole thing...

Whatever...


Pujals hurt in 2nd quarter of 4th game gets another shot. Brandon plays about 35 more minutes and does not. That's the NCAA for ya.
Pard4Life

The Maroon wrote:
Am I the only one that keeps forgetting we have a game this weekend?

This will be my 29th - and I've never been less enthused. Maybe I'll wake up Saturday with a surge of maroon adrenaline. But man here it is Thursday and I'm just...done...


Yeah I'm not feeling it. Don't care. I'm thinking about work next week already and tomorrow is something "I have to do"
artanis

Listening to Coach Tavani's post game comments, there is NO inkling that he himself would ever consider quitting. "Ups and downs. Been down before, we can get back up"...

That does not sound like a coach who is looking to voluntarily step down. It would seem that the administration would need to remove the coach, but it also seems as though they do not have the stomach for this decision, so therefore, the committee.

Wonder if the people who ponied up for the $35 million in facility improvements are suffering from "buyer's remorse".
SixtyEighter

"I will coach until someone tells me to stop or I die " says all you need to know about what is going on in the Athletic Department- no accountability for performance. What professor would survive a success record like Frank's for their research ? Admittedly he had early success- but the last seven years including 3-18 the last two years ? I think this kind of dismal record is unparalleled in college sports.He is entering Tammy Smith territory.
Jpao92

As I said in a separate thread, he is either arrogant, delusional or has come unwound or all the above.  What I want to know and asked separately is who created this monster.

He is now openly telling people he has tenure.  If so, that is an insult to every professor who must face teaching evaluations from the students, perform research and publish in order to earn tenure.   I am familiar with the academic departments at Lafayette.   I am unfamiliar with the Department of Football.  What academi courses does it offer?  

Paging Amette Diorio the monster you created is off pillaging some village.

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