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edge29

Gender Studies

How many of us agree with this?  Yes! Yes! Yes!

https://youtu.be/_HOIoU4_Jxo?t=17m39s

starts at 17:35
Andy

Do you think the dweebs that run this place even brought up our Div. 1 athletics tradition during the presidential search?

They wouldn't have the courage to bring in a guy like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=140zRXPI1zE

Takes him 40 secs to mention the importance of Div1 athletics at his place.

Sycophants and yes men, you got it.

I suppose I'll send in our Maroon Club dues. Why I'm not sure.
LC Fan

Casey describes the job well but in terms of execution, I'll take our President hands down. She has overcome all the difficult issues left by our former leader and has set the school on a course many of us were hoping for. The fact that our athletics suck began well before Ms Byerly and while I believe it must be addressed, the solution is not easy in a school of our size and nature that aspires to achieve so much.
Lafalum

LC Fan wrote:
Casey describes the job well but in terms of execution, I'll take our President hands down. She has overcome all the difficult issues left by our former leader and has set the school on a course many of us were hoping for. The fact that our athletics suck began well before Ms Byerly and while I believe it must be addressed, the solution is not easy in a school of our size and nature that aspires to achieve so much.


Our problems are/were self inflicted. Probably driven by a BOT that was/is out of touch with the alumni and students. In other words, out of touch with its customers and funders. I think Byerly has addressed much of the student life issues. I disagree with you about athletics, it is easy, even for a school our size.It's not about money it's about accountability and sound management.  She knows where the problem is but has not taken the one step that would send a message and inspire accountability. She hasn't done it because she doesn't want to or has not been supported the BOT leadership. She has expended good will on the living group issue and the college size, she may not feel at this time she can do more.

I now wait for a change in BOT leadership for the next step to happen.
Andy

Didn't mean to focus on Pres Byerly, rather the BOT who seem ashamed of our athletics tradition, and continue to bring in like minded folks.  Div 1 (ssssh) with a hand tied behind our back.  Dan Weiss - seriously?  Seems Colgate was getting away from their roots but has come back to their successful formula, embracing their traditions.  Envious.

If the plan were for Div 1 athletics to be embraced, enhanced, exploited and so stated during the search, would Allison have still been attracted to the job, would she have been the best candidate?  To her credit she has at least recognized the importance athletics holds for a large number of alums, even if just for fund raising impact.
Andy

Lafalum wrote:
LC Fan wrote:
Casey describes the job well but in terms of execution, I'll take our President hands down. She has overcome all the difficult issues left by our former leader and has set the school on a course many of us were hoping for. The fact that our athletics suck began well before Ms Byerly and while I believe it must be addressed, the solution is not easy in a school of our size and nature that aspires to achieve so much.


Our problems are/were self inflicted. Probably driven by a BOT that was/is out of touch with the alumni and students. In other words, out of touch with its customers and funders. I think Byerly has addressed much of the student life issues. I disagree with you about athletics, it is easy, even for a school our size.It's not about money it's about accountability and sound management.  She knows where the problem is but has not taken the one step that would send a message and inspire accountability. She hasn't done it because she doesn't want to or has not been supported the BOT leadership. She has expended good will on the living group issue and the college size, she may not feel at this time she can do more.

I now wait for a change in BOT leadership for the next step to happen.


What about the pursuit of the Ivy model?   Has athletics ever been more important, success on the field a more highlighted goal, recruiting gone about more aggressively, than today at H, Y, P?  They, too, have upped their games, so to speak, while we're still stuck in ARot time.
RichH

Cannot speak to sports other than football and lax. The entire IL has amped up recruiting substantially in both. If nothing else college administration has to face that reality.
LC Fan

I hate to inform this group but we're not "H, Y, or P". We're not even D, B or either of the Cs. They suck too! Dicker couldn't raise $10mm a few years ago for a non-specific "athletic enhancement fund". Our alums generally don't care that's the issue, not the admin or BOT.

If it wasn't for specific donors like Bourger in football, we'd still be getting splinters in our rear end. Specific donors have made terrific impact on certain sports resulting in first rate facilities but despite the donor's heavy involvement even these sports aren't competitive, despite outstanding facilities and schollies. I don't believe the admin or BOT are blind to these failures but no one on this board, on the Maroon Club board, or the large donors themselves have figured out the answer either.

My takeaway after decades of watching our futility is that it's more than money, it's more than alumni enthusiasm, and it's more than administration involvement. It boils down to confidence and expectations about athletics and no one on our campus, in any sport, has shown that they can provide those elusive traits.
Andy

I believe, maybe wrongly, that when LC sports are well funded they do pretty well (exception being wbball).  Football has been disappointing overall lately, but prior to last year's injury plagued season they were 8-4 in the PL with a championship over 2 years and quite competitive prior to the budget cut.  FH has been very good.  Men's soccer has fallen a bit but was very respectable. Mbball champs last year. I guess the school's intent is to wait for a millionaire donor to appear to fund certain sports.  Maybe if LC funded more sports the interest of the alums would be piqued.

Dicker ran a sports fund raising effort? Hadn't heard, too low on the totem pole.
Andy

Didn't say we were H,Y, or P.  Just that we've been emulating all things Ivy for decades.  And the notion existed that the Ivy down played athletics. Couldn't be further from the truth.  BTW, take a look at Columbia football recruiting under Bagnoli, pretty ramped up.
RichH

Andy wrote:
Didn't say we were H,Y, or P.  Just that we've been emulating all things Ivy for decades.  And the notion existed that the Ivy down played athletics. Couldn't be further from the truth.  BTW, take a look at Columbia football recruiting under Bagnoli, pretty ramped up.

An understatement Smile  Perhaps in reaction to PL going schollie, Ivies as a group have intensified football recruiting over the last 5 years. HYP andP as usual. Columbia.,Dartmouth and Brown have all doubled down.  Cornell an odd situation. They should have the easiest path to increased emphasis here ,perhaps they have but, the results there just not there.
Andy

Thanks, rich. And how 'bout that - Ivy being motivated by competition from the PL for a change.  LC has to find another excuse, Ivies are in it to win it! As someone on our board said "Winning matters!"

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