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Bogus Megapardus

Georgetown Post Opprobrium

This thread cannot await the actual end of the game.

Is it still worth it?
Bogus Megapardus

How does Frank Tavani put a positive spin on this catastrophe?
Bogus Megapardus

. . . and the Fat Lady just farted.
edge29

I'm no longer believing Brockman and some veteran Olinemen would change the outcome of this season.  Nope. Not buying it.
Bogus Megapardus

Bogus Megapardus

Drew Reed went 22/33-195 1TD
Kyle Nolan went 28/36/311 5TD

DeSean Brown went 10-25
Jo'el Kimpela went 14-84

Attendance was 3104, or 125% of capacity at MSF.
Bogus Megapardus

Still to play . . .

HARVARD - HOLY CROSS - BUCKNELL - COLGATE - LEHIGH

And next year we face . . .

DELAWARE - PRINCETON - VILLANOVA - ARMY

. . . in addition to league play.  That's a tall order.  Is there anything about this afternoon's performance that suggests there's a win in there somewhere?
pgmillspunk

Some pitiful stats

9 Net yds rushing?  Seriously.  This is on the players.  Pathetic!

2-12 on 3rd down conversions???  WTF.

1 sack for -6 yds.  While HOYAS had 5 sacks.

Say what you want but where is the schooly leadership???  Georgetown plays as a team today, have the schollies separated us as teammates??  I will take a gutsy non schooly player who wants to win and is motivated over this pathetic play of these babies! Confused
jonnymo

Watched the Replay

Just came home and tried to watch the replay  What a joke, worst stream ever.  I have a massive headache for numerous reasons.  Does anyone in the PL offices actually watch the internet broadcasts?

Me=Grumpy
pardfan

Re: Some pitiful stats

pgmillspunk wrote:
9 Net yds rushing?  Seriously.  This is on the players.  Pathetic!

2-12 on 3rd down conversions???  WTF.

1 sack for -6 yds.  While HOYAS had 5 sacks.

Say what you want but where is the schooly leadership???  Georgetown plays as a team today, have the schollies separated us as teammates??  I will take a gutsy non schooly player who wants to win and is motivated over this pathetic play of these babies! Confused


This is the risk we run when we play heavyweight schedules like this.  In addition, consider this:  Programs like Lehigh and Colgate aren't playing like the Lehigh and Colgate most of us are used to.  At the moment.  When they do revert to the mean, losing records for us will be a constant threat.  Our "facility edge?"  How long can that last?
 The scary thought?  If Ross S. were a senior THIS yr, would our record be MUCH different?  Given our size, if we aren't careful, we will become Columbia.
Newleopardfan2



In a nutshell...
edge29

This game reminds me of a post Leopardball2010 posted (I think!). He tried to tell us all the problem. Chime 2010 if you have anything to add.
Pard4Life

Bruce the straw man will still award Tavani an extension.

Straw man... hmm... Bogie?
bethlehempard

A game like this cries out -- no it screams out -- for Carney to make it all seem alright, like part of some plan leading us to glory.

We need Carney, now more than ever!

"You, knew it all, but not many had ears, all those years ago"

"You, were the one, who imagined it all,
All those years ago."

"You, had control, of our smiles and tears,
All those years ago."

Missing the win over Fordham to take my wife to the Frick's "Girl With Pearl Earring" show was dumb.

Going to Princeton for "Cezanne and the Modern" today was smart.

Lafayette    Georgetown

1st Downs 15 21
3rd down efficiency 2-12 6-12
4th down efficiency 2-5 0-1
Total Yards 257 464
Passing 248 311
Comp-Att 28-44 28-38
Yards per pass 5.1 8.2
Interceptions thrown 2 0
Rushing 9 153
Rushing Attempts 20 27
Yards per rush 0.4 5.7
Penalties  3-42 11-130
Turnovers    3     0
Fumbles lost 1 0
Interceptions thrown 2 0
Possession 28:38 31:22
Total Yards
LAF
257
464
GTWN
Possession
LAF.   GTWN 31:22 28:38
Turnovers
LAF 3  G 0
Bogus Megapardus

Pard4Life wrote:
Straw man... hmm... Bogie?


Yeah I could do something and make light of it, and maybe I will in the future, but this is a pretty serious discussion right now.  What the hell happened this afternoon?  I want to know.  We all want to know.
bethlehempard

If yards per rush of 0.4 isn't a team record it should be.
Bogus Megapardus

OK I give in . . .






bethlehempard

I've GOT... Two tickets to paradise, won't you pack your bags and leave tonight .. Well actually I have two tickets to the Harvard game.
Anybody who wants them, send a PM. I will put them in the mail on Monday. I'm going to NYC or the beach. Anywhere but Easton.

I'm imagining the coaching staff having a Spinal Tap conversation right now in a diner:

Derek:Yes, we have problems and there are rational solutions

David: Well I'd like to hear these solutions

Nigel: I have an idea ... Stonehenge!
Bogus Megapardus

bethlehempard wrote:
Spinal Tap conversation


Our new theme song could be "Big Bottom."
bethlehempard

"Hellhole" comes to mind too. It has a happy ending. We need one.
Bogus Megapardus

bethlehempard wrote:
"Hellhole" comes to mind too.


Indeed it does.  From that classic Tap album, "Sh*t Sandwich."  If the glove fits . . .
bethlehempard

Oh what the hell. I was going to go to sleep but I'll have another drink and read all the G-town posts.
Based on the Gate fans I talked to today they are as miserable as we are. Walking around Palmer Square looking for a drink and a quick decision.
Bogus Megapardus

bethlehempard wrote:
Walking around Palmer Square looking for a drink and a quick decision.


I recommend the A&B over on Witherspoon, in the alley.  They still pour a nice Smitty's but you have to ask.
LeopardBall10

edge29 wrote:
This game reminds me of a post Leopardball2010 posted (I think!). He tried to tell us all the problem. Chime 2010 if you have anything to add.


Well Edge, I've said a lot. But this just stinks to high heaven. Guys are hurt, the team won't play for each other let along the coaching staff. The team is consistently under prepared/ no show altogether. But I don't think you can point to anyone else in the country that gets less out of their talent. There is an obvious disconnect between the athletes and the staff.
flyfisher

Yep. The injuries have reached the rediculous point. Andrew Accuma was a fullback. Yesterday he played DT at 215 lbs. Matt Anderson was a DT 2 weeks ago. He played the 2nd half yesterday at right guard. On top of that there is a void in leadership. A few do what they can but it takes the whole class. What does it say when 2 uppercllasmen forget to be on the field on a special teams play until others recognize who is missing and call them out. Obviously the kids were not focused on the game or paying attention. Unfortunately that attitude and effort spreads. Personally I enjoy watching the younger kids fight and play hard with what opportunity they get. Hopefully that attitude and effort will spread throughout the team next year.
Jpao92

The Mole

Bruce has got to be a Lehigh mole.  There is just no other explanation at this point.
whatthefrank?

I am glad I have not seen the last two games.  Unfortunately we all have seen this show before.  Kind of like Groundhog day, but much worse!!!

The best part of this game is reading the post with all the pop-rock lyrics.  I say we change genres and go with Con te Patrio( I think) Brightman/Boccelli - translates roughly to "time to say goodbye"!!
BillS

whatthefrank? wrote:
I am glad I have not seen the last two games.  Unfortunately we all have seen this show before.  Kind of like Groundhog day, but much worse!!!

The best part of this game is reading the post with all the pop-rock lyrics.  I say we change genres and go with Con te Patrio( I think) Brightman/Boccelli - translates roughly to "time to say goodbye"!!
Next week is going to be UGLY ! Bruce it's time for a change! FRANKLY ( no pun intended ) the whole coaching staff needs to go for a fresh new start!
bethlehempard

So barring an insane five-game winning streak, another losing season will be in the books.
The school invests a lot in the program.
The players even on scholarship are investing four years in the program. Those are four years they can't get back. I have to think they care.
Somebody has to stand up and demand that we have a reasonable return on investment.
I just spend a few hours per fall sitting at Fisher and generally find something that redeems the day, even if it's beer and pizza.
I refuse to get worked up over something a lot of people saw coming. I'm trying not to, anyway.
ROI. That's what it's all about. That doesn't mean we are always great. It does mean we are usually competitive.
The scholarship era is a different ballgame and not as nice and gentle as the old days.

**two tickets to Harvard. Send a PM. Presumably the school wanted to tout the Ivy tie in making this game Homecoming.
bison137

bethlehempard wrote:
If yards per rush of 0.4 isn't a team record it should be.



Not that it's much better, but the true rushing stat was 15 carries for 36 yards, i.e. 2.4 yards per carry.    The NCAA's absurd way of keeping rushing stats always distorts them.
bethlehempard

Does the NCAA subtract sacked yardage from rushing totals while the NFL subtracts it from passing?
Lafalum

BillS wrote:
whatthefrank? wrote:
I am glad I have not seen the last two games.  Unfortunately we all have seen this show before.  Kind of like Groundhog day, but much worse!!!

The best part of this game is reading the post with all the pop-rock lyrics.  I say we change genres and go with Con te Patrio( I think) Brightman/Boccelli - translates roughly to "time to say goodbye"!!
Next week is going to be UGLY ! Bruce it's time for a change! FRANKLY ( no pun intended ) the whole coaching staff needs to go for a fresh new start!


It starts at the top…demand little get little. Wasn't the president (or any other president in my memory) in response to a question who said we have a very successful athletic program? This was in a year when NO TEAM at that time had a winning season. We need more than platitudes!! If the chemistry department was this much of a failure heads would roll….or maybe not?!!
flyfisher

LeopardBall10 wrote:
edge29 wrote:
This game reminds me of a post Leopardball2010 posted (I think!). He tried to tell us all the problem. Chime 2010 if you have anything to add.


Well Edge, I've said a lot. But this just stinks to high heaven. Guys are hurt, the team won't play for each other let along the coaching staff. The team is consistently under prepared/ no show altogether. But I don't think you can point to anyone else in the country that gets less out of their talent. There is an obvious disconnect between the athletes and the staff.


Explain the part of your comment about the kids not playing for the coaches or respecting them. Obviously things are far from perfect but some  players feel otherwise. There are a few with attitudes but not sure they would respect anyone.
Pards Rule

bethlehempard wrote:
I've GOT... Two tickets to paradise, won't you pack your bags and leave tonight .. Well actually I have two tickets to the Harvard game.
Anybody who wants them, send a PM. I will put them in the mail on Monday. I'm going to NYC or the beach. Anywhere but Easton.

I'm imagining the coaching staff having a Spinal Tap conversation right now in a diner:

Derek:Yes, we have problems and there are rational solutions

David: Well I'd like to hear these solutions

Nigel: I have an idea ... Stonehenge!



LBI? Come visit!
Leopard Loyalist

No sugarcoating in Paul Reinhard's account of the game. Hard to imagine he will want to continue spending his retirement covering this stuff.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...football-1010-20151010-story.html
Pards Rule

Leopard Loyalist wrote:
No sugarcoating in Paul Reinhard's account of the game. Hard to imagine he will want to continue spending his retirement covering this stuff.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...football-1010-20151010-story.html


Yes his only mistake was not in mentioning it wasn't the blandly named Multi-Sport anymore but the NEW Cooper Field....and what a grand initiation for it by the Hoyas at Homecoming.
Pard4Life

The worst point wasn't that we got our ass_s handed to us by a non scholarship program. It is that we scored one touchdown. Columbia, a team that had not won a game since 2012, put points on these guys.

Honestly, we could have been shutout. We only scored because Frank had the gusto to go for it on fourth after losing faith in our blocking unit. Also, there was a call that perhaps should not have been, and Gtown was in the backfield for half the plays that drive.

So, the only team we have scored double digits on was blown out by a team that won their first game since 2012. Take away that game and we are averaging less than 7 per game.

We haven't seen a run this pathetic since the Neil Putnam era.
flyfisher

I try to see the positives and hope the issues get addressed. LC is still a great program and a good opportunity. We can and will be good again. However everyone can see there are some issues. I will not comment on those here. I never get to talk to my son except after  games. And when we do, we don't talk about the team much. This week he pulled an all-nighter on Tuesday night and then only got 2 hours sleep Thursday night as he had a drug test at 5am. Love that NCAA. The kids are a priority, right? And this right before a Dynamics test. So we don't use hat little time we have to talk about football drama. I still see some positives going forward. I hate to say next year but I can't imagine this climate will be this way next year. As to addressing all the posible issues and negatives, I will leave that up to you guys. Understandably many here appear to have strong feelings.
LeopardBall10

flyfisher wrote:


Explain the part of your comment about the kids not playing for the coaches or respecting them. Obviously things are far from perfect but some  players feel otherwise. There are a few with attitudes but not sure they would respect anyone.


Just to clarify, I didn't say respect I said they weren't playing for each other or the staff.  But, you said yourself that the upper classmen were not on the field for their ST plays. They were not focused on the game at hand. Some do what they can, but it takes a whole class. Aren't those all respect issues? (Or maybe it's more apathy which might be worse).  Either you don't respect your teammates enough to give 100% on every play, playing for the guys in the trenches next to you or you don't respect the coaches enough to be tuned into the game, to play for the bigger Team.

From my personal experience Frank liked to talk about Team, and talk about playing for each other. But his actions contradicted that. He is asking the players to sacrifice and play when they are tired and work to get better, but he doesn't do any of those things. Frank has not been to a coaches clinic since his visit to the Eagles facility under Andy Reid, and he only did that to see the facilities. Frank has not shown up for a spring morning workout in over 6 years (unless he started going again this last spring and I missed it). Why would these kids sacrifice if your Leader isn't?
LeopardBall10

flyfisher wrote:
We can and will be good again.

This week he pulled an all-nighter on Tuesday night and then only got 2 hours sleep Thursday night as he had a drug test at 5am. Love that NCAA. The kids are a priority, right? And this right before a Dynamics test.


I completely agree. There is too much good in the program to not have it come around.

And I respect your restraint when you do get to talk to your son. I know that must be hard when you see them struggling so much. Let him know that there are so many alumni who are pulling for them every week. We are proud to wear the L and want to see it come back to a proud place.

And as far as the NCAA is concerned...
Jpao92

Not seeing it

I just don't see the "good" in the program.  When they were in the midst of the "Dan Weiss Starve the Program" years we were told that they needed to restore athletic equivalencies.  Ok, Weiss gone, equivalencies restored, check.  Then we were told, "if only we could give merit scholarships."  Merit scholarships given, check.   Yet, here we are enduring the umpteenth losing season and, quite frankly, sliding backwards.  We were more competitive against the likes of Princeton, Harvard and Fordham before scholarships.  Now we are not just losing to Georgetown but getting our buttocks handed to us.   The fault has to lie somewhere (usually, at most normal institutions it would be placed with the leadership of the athletic department and the football program.  But since head coach and AD are now tenured positions, good luck with that.)

I go to the home games with my family and overpay to sit in the Coke Zone (kids like the buffet, what can I say).   Those seats put me in close proximity to the President and Bruce McCutcheon, who is only up in that neighborhood or at the game at all to kiss some buttocks and whisper distractions in the President's ear, near as I can tell.    

I have engaged the President (who likes to raid the buffet line, nothing wrong with that as she is the boss) on a few occasions and my discussions with her regarding athletics are alarming.   She basically views athletics as an also "thingy" that the College happens to do.  "We don't want to stress the importance of athletics too much or some might say we shouldn't be playing at this level."  Translation, there are those who won't give up the Division III ghost so, "shhh" or else.    My counter was that athletics are a great publicity vehicle for the College and if the College is going to undertake to do something it should do it with excellence as the goal.  She just couldn't see that point.  Of course and until she was more than gleeful to ride 150 like a unicorn and use it to announce the next capital campaign, sell t-shirts, posters, etc.  Uhh, wait, didn't she just tell me that athletics didn't serve a broader role?  So confused.

As for Bruce,  during the Princeton game he was yucking it up, laughing his arse off and having a good old time.  He was salivating to get down to the field and receive his accolades for singlehandedly winning the basketball championship.  Football game!?!?  What football game, give the man HIS trophy.
flyfisher

Re: Not seeing it

Jpao92 wrote:
I just don't see the "good" in the program.  When they were in the midst of the "Dan Weiss Starve the Program" years we were told that they needed to restore athletic equivalencies.  Ok, Weiss gone, equivalencies restored, check.  Then we were told, "if only we could give merit scholarships."  Merit scholarships given, check.   Yet, here we are enduring the umpteenth losing season and, quite frankly, sliding backwards.  We were more competitive against the likes of Princeton, Harvard and Fordham before scholarships.  Now we are not just losing to Georgetown but getting our buttocks handed to us.   The fault has to lie somewhere (usually, at most normal institutions it would be placed with the leadership of the athletic department and the football program.  But since head coach and AD are now tenured positions, good luck with that.)

I go to the home games with my family and overpay to sit in the Coke Zone (kids like the buffet, what can I say).   Those seats put me in close proximity to the President and Bruce McCutcheon, who is only up in that neighborhood or at the game at all to kiss some buttocks and whisper distractions in the President's ear, near as I can tell.    

I have engaged the President (who likes to raid the buffet line, nothing wrong with that as she is the boss) on a few occasions and my discussions with her regarding athletics are alarming.   She basically views athletics as an also "thingy" that the College happens to do.  "We don't want to stress the importance of athletics too much or some might say we shouldn't be playing at this level."  Translation, there are those who won't give up the Division III ghost so, "shhh" or else.    My counter was that athletics are a great publicity vehicle for the College and if the College is going to undertake to do something it should do it with excellence as the goal.  She just couldn't see that point.  Of course and until she was more than gleeful to ride 150 like a unicorn and use it to announce the next capital campaign, sell t-shirts, posters, etc.  Uhh, wait, didn't she just tell me that athletics didn't serve a broader role?  So confused.

As for Bruce,  during the Princeton game he was yucking it up, laughing his arse off and having a good old time.  He was salivating to get down to the field and receive his accolades for singlehandedly winning the basketball championship.  Football game!?!?  What football game, give the man HIS trophy.


There is a lot of truth in this post. FWIW, I spoke with Bruce during the last game in the Coke Zone and he was none to pleased. He didn't look like he was just there to accept a basketball trophy. He was not happy with the outcome. As to your comments about where athletics are viewed, you and I share the same impression. I guess I should note that we could easily be wrong. I also believe sports success can be a way to grow a college publicity as well as enhance fundraising. Your point about 150 is dead on. they want the money that game brought in but all the money is really for the big fundraising drive with very little if any going back to the program(s) that made it happen.
Jpao92

I spoke to Bruce at the Princeton game and he was not really focused on the game on the field and was giving off a lousy impression.   I wasn't the only one who was left with the feeling that Bruce was having a great time in the midst of a fairly embarrassing disaster.
SIDELINER

Here is The Morning Call's Georgetown game followup, and you may not like the injury situation.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...-follow-10-11-20151011-story.html
Lafalum

Re: Not seeing it

Jpao92 wrote:
I just don't see the "good" in the program.  When they were in the midst of the "Dan Weiss Starve the Program" years we were told that they needed to restore athletic equivalencies.  Ok, Weiss gone, equivalencies restored, check.  Then we were told, "if only we could give merit scholarships."  Merit scholarships given, check.   Yet, here we are enduring the umpteenth losing season and, quite frankly, sliding backwards.  We were more competitive against the likes of Princeton, Harvard and Fordham before scholarships.  Now we are not just losing to Georgetown but getting our buttocks handed to us.   The fault has to lie somewhere (usually, at most normal institutions it would be placed with the leadership of the athletic department and the football program.  But since head coach and AD are now tenured positions, good luck with that.)

I go to the home games with my family and overpay to sit in the Coke Zone (kids like the buffet, what can I say).   Those seats put me in close proximity to the President and Bruce McCutcheon, who is only up in that neighborhood or at the game at all to kiss some buttocks and whisper distractions in the President's ear, near as I can tell.    

I have engaged the President (who likes to raid the buffet line, nothing wrong with that as she is the boss) on a few occasions and my discussions with her regarding athletics are alarming.   She basically views athletics as an also "thingy" that the College happens to do.  "We don't want to stress the importance of athletics too much or some might say we shouldn't be playing at this level."  Translation, there are those who won't give up the Division III ghost so, "shhh" or else.    My counter was that athletics are a great publicity vehicle for the College and if the College is going to undertake to do something it should do it with excellence as the goal.  She just couldn't see that point.  Of course and until she was more than gleeful to ride 150 like a unicorn and use it to announce the next capital campaign, sell t-shirts, posters, etc.  Uhh, wait, didn't she just tell me that athletics didn't serve a broader role?  So confused.

As for Bruce,  during the Princeton game he was yucking it up, laughing his arse off and having a good old time.  He was salivating to get down to the field and receive his accolades for singlehandedly winning the basketball championship.  Football game!?!?  What football game, give the man HIS trophy.


So are you saying we have a president who publicly talks the talk but does not walk the walk? You may have something, I see a decision on a fraternity returning has been postponed. That will only last so long. People don't give money without expecting it to have a positive effect. Losing will make that money dry up eventually.
By the way look at the named facilities around the athletic department. Most of those were at the initiative of the donors first, not the college.
LeopardBall10

Re: Not seeing it

Lafalum wrote:


So are you saying we have a president who publicly talks the talk but does not walk the walk? You may have something, I see a decision on a fraternity returning has been postponed. That will only last so long. People don't give money without expecting it to have a positive effect. Losing will make that money dry up eventually.
By the way look at the named facilities around the athletic department. Most of those were at the initiative of the donors first, not the college.


The interesting thing is where President Byerly came from. Yes it was D-III, but a very athletically renowned D-III. Middleburry respects athletics and has used them to advance the name and reputation of the school. So, when she was hired the biggest question was if she actually believed that stance or was more of a Weiss type. The fact that the report structure did not change is a major sign, because unless I missed it Bruce still reports to the Dean of Student Affairs (or one of the other 300 Deans, I forget the "actual" title), not the President.
Lafalum

Re: Not seeing it

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:


So are you saying we have a president who publicly talks the talk but does not walk the walk? You may have something, I see a decision on a fraternity returning has been postponed. That will only last so long. People don't give money without expecting it to have a positive effect. Losing will make that money dry up eventually.
By the way look at the named facilities around the athletic department. Most of those were at the initiative of the donors first, not the college.


The interesting thing is where President Byerly came from. Yes it was D-III, but a very athletically renowned D-III. Middleburry respects athletics and has used them to advance the name and reputation of the school. So, when she was hired the biggest question was if she actually believed that stance or was more of a Weiss type. The fact that the report structure did not change is a major sign, because unless I missed it Bruce still reports to the Dean of Student Affairs (or one of the other 300 Deans, I forget the "actual" title), not the President.


good point yes Bruce reports to Annette D'Orio VP for student affairs.Before that he reported to JIm Dicker, VP for Development, before that Jim Krivoski.
NewXbo

Maybe that's where the trouble lies. Too any middle men/women.
SIDELINER

The Morninig Call's story on Tuesday's luncheon.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/colle...rvard-advance-20151013-story.html

And, here's one from the E-T.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/l...al_back_tou.html#incart_river[/b]
flyfisher

Those are good articles. We all get tired of excuses. Call it what you what want. Our record is 1-5 (correction). You can debate how we got here.

You have to admit next years schedule looks brutal. Pard4 says its not tough. Do you see anyone else playing that schedule in our league?
Pards Rule

flyfisher wrote:
Those are good articles. We all get tired of excuses. Call it what you what want. Our record is 1-4. You can debate how we got here.

You have to admit next years schedule looks brutal. Pard4 says its not tough. Do you see anyone else playing that schedule in our league?


I think it is plenty tough!! Arent we 1-5?
flyfisher

Yes, 1-5. The losses are starting to run together.

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