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NewXbo

Here's a good one

Lehigh Valley Live has reported that Easton HS head football coach Steve Shiffert is not returning and among the possible replacements are former Lehigh QB Phil Stambaugh and former LC offensive coordinator Mickey Fein. No mention of Frank.
PardDad71

Makes sense to me.   Micky probably wants to stay local (daughter going to LC, wife works for LC).    Assume his son goes to/will go to Easton, so chance to coach his son if he plays football.

Frank has got his severance, I think FT only comes out of "retirement" for a HC job.   I think he would like to coach and win to make it look like he was the scapegoat.   IMHO he lost his fire and became complacent after 150, but he will never admit it
Pards Rule

PardDad71 wrote:
Makes sense to me.   Micky probably wants to stay local (daughter going to LC, wife works for LC).    Assume his son goes to/will go to Easton, so chance to coach his son if he plays football.

Frank has got his severance, I think FT only comes out of "retirement" for a HC job.   I think he would like to coach and win to make it look like he was the scapegoat.   IMHO he lost his fire and became complacent after 150, but he will never admit it


I was just thinking last evening he should have retired after 150...For his benefit.
Franks Tanks

Re: Here's a good one

NewXbo wrote:
Lehigh Valley Live has reported that Easton HS head football coach Steve Shiffert is not returning and among the possible replacements are former Lehigh QB Phil Stambaugh and former LC offensive coordinator Mickey Fein. No mention of Frank.


Mickey would make sense at one of those schools where HFC is a full time job, but it's not at Easton or any public schools in PA that I am aware.  Mickey would need specific credentials in PA even if they had some sort of AD job open to supplement the part time HFC job.  

I can't see Frank coaching again.  He's not a teacher and he doesn't enjoy the grind of film study.  I can't see him being line George Chaump and coaching HS football in his 70's for fun.
Kpard

Re: Here's a good one

NewXbo wrote:
Lehigh Valley Live has reported that Easton HS head football coach Steve Shiffert is not returning and among the possible replacements are former Lehigh QB Phil Stambaugh and former LC offensive coordinator Mickey Fein. No mention of Frank.


Wow! THAT will be a tough act to follow. Easton is in the top 5 in the country for all time HS football wins, but, don't seem to be able to advance in the state tourney. With the new classifications they are 6A with the Pitts CC and Parklands of PA.
RichH

The odd part is that Shiffert is being forced out. I guess disappoinyed expectations. Very hard for Easton to compete in 6A with so many top programs.
Kpard

Easton and Parkland have the largest enrollments in the Lehigh Valley and Pocono area. The knock on them has their being stuck in the 60's offensively. They have always been solid defensively, just vanilla on offense.
Both Spigner and Jordan lived in the Easton district but opted to go to Bethlehem Catholic and Notre Dame. Speculation was that these athletic QBs didn't want to make handoffs for the famed Rover trap play for their entire careers. Again that is a rumor, but, sounds feasible.
admin

They've been trying to get rid of Shiffert for years but he won way too often to make a sensible case. This year the Rovers slipped a little this year and the fans got their wish...Most high school coaches are  held to higher standards than our coaches - a long sticking point of mine.


The list in the ET seemed kind of thrown-together and random. I can't imagine Fein would want the $10K Easton job.
LeopardBall10

Re: Here's a good one

Franks Tanks wrote:
Mickey would make sense at one of those schools where HFC is a full time job, but it's not at Easton or any public schools in PA that I am aware.  Mickey would need specific credentials in PA even if they had some sort of AD job open to supplement the part time HFC job.  


I don't know what they pay at Easton, but Franks is right. Public schools in PA don't have full time football coaches on staff. Most coaches are either the AD or teach a life skills class to earn their pay. And having seen the process first hand, getting certified to teach in PA is a nightmare. Not a cakewalk by any stretch. Not to say Mickey can't do it but it is a long shot.

If you told me he was going to become the HFC at Lowndes County in Georgia then I would believe it. The top tier high school programs in GA all have full time coaches making up to six figures. No certification, no responsibilities, just win. And half of them have facilities better than most of the PL.

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Kpard

Re: Here's a good one

LeopardBall10 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Mickey would make sense at one of those schools where HFC is a full time job, but it's not at Easton or any public schools in PA that I am aware.  Mickey would need specific credentials in PA even if they had some sort of AD job open to supplement the part time HFC job.  


I don't know what they pay at Easton, but Franks is right. Public schools in PA don't have full time football coaches on staff. Most coaches are either the AD or teach a life skills class to earn their pay. And having seen the process first hand, getting certified to teach in PA is a nightmare. Not a cakewalk by any stretch. Not to say Mickey can't do it but it is a long shot.

If you told me he was going to become the HFC at Lowndes County in Georgia then I would believe it. The top tier high school programs in GA all have full time coaches making up to six figures. No certification, no responsibilities, just win. And half of them have facilities better than most of the PL.

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Dear GOD!
Franks Tanks

Re: Here's a good one

Kpard wrote:
LeopardBall10 wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Mickey would make sense at one of those schools where HFC is a full time job, but it's not at Easton or any public schools in PA that I am aware.  Mickey would need specific credentials in PA even if they had some sort of AD job open to supplement the part time HFC job.  


I don't know what they pay at Easton, but Franks is right. Public schools in PA don't have full time football coaches on staff. Most coaches are either the AD or teach a life skills class to earn their pay. And having seen the process first hand, getting certified to teach in PA is a nightmare. Not a cakewalk by any stretch. Not to say Mickey can't do it but it is a long shot.

If you told me he was going to become the HFC at Lowndes County in Georgia then I would believe it. The top tier high school programs in GA all have full time coaches making up to six figures. No certification, no responsibilities, just win. And half of them have facilities better than most of the PL.

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Dear GOD!


It is crazy, but many southern state have much larger school districts.  I am aware of one district in suburban Houston that has 11 high schools, so a team can play an entire football schedule against other schools from the same district.  They have pretty awesome football facilities.  In PA, even in populated areas, there are tiny little schools districts all over, and pretty hard for 3-5k student districts, even in rich areas, to build a big stadium.  Obviously the high school football interest is larger in these communities as well, but the way schools are structured also play a big role.
ed65

New York State and Connecticut are the same.  Too many schools; too many small districts.
The Maroon

The concept of a full-time HS coach blows my mind. I mean I LOVED the show Friday Night Lights - but I always assumed that coach Taylor taught gym..or something.

The Easton job comes with about as high of expectations as a coach can have. They won't put up with anything less than 8-2 and a win against Phillipsburg. They also want a State championship - which means you're expected to win a rivalry-game that is among the nations most intense on Thanksgiving morning and then win a state playoff game two days later.

I can't imagine going 3-22 in Easton.
PardDad71

Easton is starting to dominate that series, something like 12-4 in the last 16 games.    Focus is undoubtedly shifting to winning championships.
Bogus Megapardus

The Easton Area School District includes Forks Township and Palmer Township.  Both are growing communities. The Phillipsburg School District includes only Phillipsburg. It's old, completely built up, about one-fifth the population and in decline. I imagine the disparity will only get wider.
Franks Tanks

The Maroon wrote:
The concept of a full-time HS coach blows my mind. I mean I LOVED the show Friday Night Lights - but I always assumed that coach Taylor taught gym..or something.

The Easton job comes with about as high of expectations as a coach can have. They won't put up with anything less than 8-2 and a win against Phillipsburg. They also want a State championship - which means you're expected to win a rivalry-game that is among the nations most intense on Thanksgiving morning and then win a state playoff game two days later.

I can't imagine going 3-22 in Easton.


It is weird isn't it?  Especially considering that up until somewhat recent times, coaches at smaller colleges often had other duties as well.

The recently retired coach at D2 Slippery Rock (aka gym teacher U), was actually a PHD and full time faculty member in their Physical Education department. He was technically a full time professor, who was also the head football coach on the side.  Those days seem to be over for good.
Lost Again

My daughters' high school in Virginia is bigger than LC.
The Maroon

Easton has always had the advantage in that rivalry  historically - in a lot of ways.  But Phillipsburg kids are pretty tough and they normally find a way to make it interesting. They smacked Easton pretty hard in wrestling a few days ago - which doesn't happen often.
It's actually one of the best rivalries I've ever seen.

Still - you can't ask a football team to play in an emotional game like the Pburg game and then play a high-level playoff opponent 48 hours later.

It would be like us having to take on New Hampshire the Monday night after we played Lehigh.
Franks Tanks

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
The Easton Area School District includes Forks Township and Palmer Township.  Both are growing communities. The Phillipsburg School District includes only Phillipsburg. It's old, completely built up, about one-fifth the population and in decline. I imagine the disparity will only get wider.


Correct, buy how's this for NJ govt. inefficiency.  The neighboring area is Lopatcong Township, and they have their own school district.  However, the Lopatcong Twp School District only operates schools until 8th grade, and then send their students to Phillipsburg High School.  The Phillipsburg School District is happy to accept those students, and charge a large per student fee to Lopatcong Twp.
Bogus Megapardus

Lost Again wrote:
My daughters' high school in Virginia is bigger than LC.


When I came to Lafayette, my regional public high school had over 4,000 students - in only three grades. At the time it was literally twice the size of Lafayette. That was very much one of the reasons I chose to come to Easton.
Pardsfriend

phillipsburg

Franks Tanks wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
The Easton Area School District includes Forks Township and Palmer Township.  Both are growing communities. The Phillipsburg School District includes only Phillipsburg. It's old, completely built up, about one-fifth the population and in decline. I imagine the disparity will only get wider.


Correct, buy how's this for NJ govt. inefficiency.  The neighboring area is Lopatcong Township, and they have their own school district.  However, the Lopatcong Twp School District only operates schools until 8th grade, and then send their students to Phillipsburg High School.  The Phillipsburg School District is happy to accept those students, and charge a large per student fee to Lopatcong Twp.


 In fact, besides Phillipsburg, pburg HS receives students from a larger area, including Pohatcong, Alpha, and a growing area, Greenwich Township.  The high school district recently built a brand new school facility in a location that includes a spacious recreational complex, outside of Phillipsburg.  Their football team competes in Group 4, which is the second largest school group in NJ, right behind Group 5.

If anything, I'd expect their high school population to grow in the coming years.
bethlehempard

Just an aside ... if you hate the Patriots, it's Michael Jackson's fault.

http://www.espn.com/blog/afceast/...ound-started-with-michael-jackson

Previous owner Chuck Sullivan, who sold the team to Victor Kiam but kept Foxboro Stadium, used the arena as collateral to finance the Jackson family's Victory Tour, a massive flop in 1984. Sullivan also paid $18 million to own Jackson's merchandising rights for five years.

Sullivan went bankrupt and was forced to sell the stadium in 1988.

***This all led to Kraft buying the team.
flyfisher

One things that goes unmentioned here is the lack of interest from other colleges in our former coaches, especially our coordinators. Most guys usually land jobs. Our guys have not and hiring season is within about 30 days of being over.
Bogus Megapardus

flyfisher wrote:
One things that goes unmentioned here is the lack of interest from other colleges in our former coaches, especially our coordinators. Most guys usually land jobs. Our guys have not and hiring season is within about 30 days of being over.


This is sheer speculation, but something about Lafayette leads me to think that some of the staff received more than typical college coach severance pay. That would give them time and opportunity to look things over more carefully and to look after their families' best interests.

I could be dead wrong about this, but I hope I'm not.
RichH

Lafayette may just have honored the remainder of their contracts. Asst contracts normally run until June. With the change in HC it would be unusual but very clasdy and thoughtful thing to do.
XLeopard

DL coach has been hired. He has been a ga at several SEC schools. It will not be announced until after the signing date.

Mickey is supposed to be taking the WR position at Harvard.
LeopardBall10

Bogus Megapardus wrote:


This is sheer speculation, but something about Lafayette leads me to think that some of the staff received more than typical college coach severance pay. That would give them time and opportunity to look things over more carefully and to look after their families' best interests.

I could be dead wrong about this, but I hope I'm not.


The asst. coaches did get a nice severance which is definitely not the norm. Most of the time coaches stop getting paid as soon as the new staff is hired. But even with a severance you don't want to wait around too long. If you miss the hiring window now then you end up sitting on the sidelines for another full year.
Andy

XLeopard wrote:
DL coach has been hired. He has been a ga at several SEC schools. It will not be announced until after the signing date.

Mickey is supposed to be taking the WR position at Harvard.


Thanks!

https://twitter.com/Coach_Lezynski

2016 - grad asst at UCONN; also Holy Cross experience

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sport...tbl/mtt/nick_lezynski_905495.html
XLeopard

Andy wrote:
XLeopard wrote:
DL coach has been hired. He has been a ga at several SEC schools. It will not be announced until after the signing date.

Mickey is supposed to be taking the WR position at Harvard.


Thanks!

https://twitter.com/Coach_Lezynski

2016 - grad asst at UCONN; also Holy Cross experience

http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sport...tbl/mtt/nick_lezynski_905495.html


The UConn guy is not the guy I know. Though he is also from NJ.

Also, Link has accepted the HC job at Christopher Newport
Bogus Megapardus

Speaking of UConn, the Ryan Dickens story (which has become national news) probably is the most publicity UConn's football program has received in quite some time. Cool
flyfisher

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
One things that goes unmentioned here is the lack of interest from other colleges in our former coaches, especially our coordinators. Most guys usually land jobs. Our guys have not and hiring season is within about 30 days of being over.


This is sheer speculation, but something about Lafayette leads me to think that some of the staff received more than typical college coach severance pay. That would give them time and opportunity to look things over more carefully and to look after their families' best interests.

I could be dead wrong about this, but I hope I'm not.


You could be right. I don't know anything on that. Just surprised our guys are looking at high school jobs.

Speaking of high school jobs, I have two friends that are head football coaches in Texas. Both pull down over 150k base. And they don't teach a class. A third guy is the AD and head coach and he makes near 200. These guys have had D1 asst coach experience.

Here is a tidbit for you...every high school in Dallas has an indoor training facility for football. And all sell season tickets and they are sold out. Georgia and Florida are almost as big but Texas leads the way. South Carolina they do nothing hit coach. In NC they teach a PE class.
Franks Tanks

Fein was officially announced today as WR coach and passing game coordinator at Harvard.  While technically a step down, being associated with Harvard for a few years may actually help him in the long run.
Bogus Megapardus

Franks Tanks wrote:
Fein was officially announced today as WR coach and passing game coordinator at Harvard.  While technically a step down, being associated with Harvard for a few years may actually help him in the long run.


Congrats to Coach Fein. It's tough to read that as a step down given Tim Murphy's longevity and the nature of the Cantab staff.
ed65

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Speaking of UConn, the Ryan Dickens story (which has become national news) probably is the most publicity UConn's football program has received in quite some time. Cool


Deservedly so.
SixtyEighter

UConn - Dickens story rehashed yesterday in the Inquirer in a feature story about how the best coaches are the best recruiters with bad press for them and good press for us.
flyfisher

[quote="Bogus Megapardus:60206"]
Franks Tanks wrote:
Fein was officially announced today as WR coach and passing game coordinator at Harvard.  While technically a step down, being associated with Harvard for a few years may actually help him in the long run.


Congrats to Coach Fein. It's tough to read that as a step down given Tim Murphy's longevity and the nature of the Cantab staff.[/quote  

I would not assume this is a step down. Pay may be better. Fein's wife was very close friends with McKittrick, still is I guess.
Bogus Megapardus

SixtyEighter wrote:
UConn - Dickens story rehashed yesterday in the Inquirer in a feature story about how the best coaches are the best recruiters with bad press for them and good press for us.


Link:

http://www.philly.com/philly/spor...d_Father_Judge_star_Rob_King.html

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