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Holy Cross In Game Thread

We break 10 points I'm calling it a win.
Franks Tanks

Ouch, this will be ugly.  We are barely in the vicinity of the holy cross receivers, who are nothing special by the way.  Giving a huge cushion, and still getting burnt deep.
Pards Rule

I get buffering to stop I call it a win!!
Pards Rule

Down 7-0 already
flyfisher

Roberts gets burned like bad toast on a deep ball and we are down 7-0.
The 2nd Coming

flyfisher wrote:
Roberts gets burned like bad toast on a deep ball and we are down 7-0.


That's a total John Leonesque quote!

This is shaping up to be as ugly as we were worried about.
Pards Rule

End of first, 7-0..Pards driving
flyfisher

Nice to see us be able to run the ball,  especially on 1st down. Nice to get positive yardage on 1st down. Not having a running game this year hurts.
flyfisher

Low snap, bad punt. Defense playing pretty good
Pards Rule

And how Fly..Great pressure on 3rd down...Going for it on 4th down..COME ON!! Need a massive stop on 4th & 2
flyfisher

Db's burned again on deep ball again. 14-0
adcs2

Only sustained drive in last four weeks that resulted in points was a 12-play, 65-yard TD drive against Georgetown.  Other touchdown we scored was gift-wrapped on an ill-conceived trick play by Fordham on the opening kickoff.

This is pretty awful.
Pards Rule

Close..prob got it
Pards Rule

After the first down a Touchdown on first play...14-0 Holy Cross.
Pards Rule

How come its a TV timeout and we aren't seeing a Jiffy Lube or Nissan commercial
Pards Rule

A Tavani like trick play onside kickoff used by Cross and recovers it..
Pards Rule

Phil Parham recovers HC fumble at our 30
Pards Rule

Brown fumbles it back to Cross after two great runs
flyfisher

Put some jam on the safeties. .burned again. 21-0. We fumbled a.kickoff, then they fumbled, then we fumbled it back to them
Pards Rule

Ugh! Im done for today
Pards Rule

Are there 50 people on the Pard side it seems?
Pards Rule

Reed intercepted in end zone
Pards Rule

Mrazek iinjured
Bogus Megapardus

It is what it is, folks.  Might as well try to laugh and enjoy it.  Laughing
Newleopardfan2

Pards Rule wrote:
Mrazek iinjured


Very slow to get up but looks like it's a hand or arm injury.
Newleopardfan2

Their receivers have 5 yards of separation in all directions.
Pards Rule

Disaster! Cross TD, now 28-0 at half.
Bogus Megapardus

Sweet Mother of Mercy do we suck.

Either that, or the HC receivers each have a Star Wars force field surrounding them.
adcs2

Coach McFadden really has those DBs playing well.
Bogus Megapardus

    Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Ross Scheuer-man
    My friends all have tailbacks, I must make amends . . .
bethlehempard

Lehigh has problems.
Shafnisky is out.
A freshman is playing QB.
They turned it over three times in the half.
They're beating Fordham 21-17 at the half.
We meanwhile are historically bad.
Time for change.
Somehow our problems/excuses always get in our way. Right now Lehigh is overcoming its problems.
We need help.
Bogus Megapardus

    Peter Pujals picked a peck of pokey Pards . . .
Pard4Life

During the halftime interview, Frank blamed the blown coverage on TDs to guys missing practice this week... really?
Pard4Life

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
    Peter Pujals picked a peck of pokey Pards . . .


Pathetic Pards Peter Pujals picked...
adcs2

FT: "We are not going to make excuses, but here's one anyway"
Jpao92

Change?

Never going to happen.  We have an administration that doesn't give a rats arse whether our athletic programs succeed.   As a result you get a head football coach who has a job for life and coaches like it.   This is simply disgraceful.

At the end of the year the powers to be will say that Frank just had bad luck and his track record indicates he will turn it around.  What will never be noted is that his track record is not what they think it is.  It is one of a loser.
BPard

Glad I decided not to watch this game in person
Bogus Megapardus

adcs2 wrote:
FT: "We are not going to make excuses, but here's one anyway"


    "The dog ate my defense."

    "My mom ran my playbook through the dishwasher."

    Hey mister, that machine took my money and didn't give me an offense.  Please give me a quarter back."
bethlehempard

I don't know if Ross Scheuerman or Bronko Nagurski could run today either.

I don't doubt the effort or to some extent the talent.
The Pards just can't do a dam. thing and it's unwatchable. Sorry. It is.
Everybody is much better than us. Not even close.
The highlight of my day was spending the morning at the Leonard Buck Garden near Far Hills.

Now, given a choice between watching this game and yard work ...
Hand me a rake.

And beer. Lots of it.

We couldn't beat Moravian or Archbishop Wood this year.

I will check in now and then for the miracle comeback.
Jpao92

Buck Gardens?  I live a mile from there.  You should have stopped by for a beer.
bethlehempard

Jpao92 wrote:
Buck Gardens?  I live a mile from there.  You should have stopped by for a beer.

It was a beautiful morning there and the place was mostly empty. We wanted to go a week ago but the steeplechase forced them to close for the day. A nice area, Lafayette territory.
A beer? Sure, it's 9 a.m. somewhere!
Bogus Megapardus

If we simply forfeit the rest of the schedule, will it improve our season statistics?
flyfisher

We simply don't have the speed to cover them deep and qb has all day. Our safeties and striker just cant get there
flyfisher

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
If we simply forfeit the rest of the schedule, will it improve our season statistics?


Our yards per play would not go down.
Jpao92

The Steeplechase, a real train wreck.   Then again, given the choice between watching that train wreck and the FT train wreck, I chose the Hunt.
bethlehempard

Maybe we can get some of those speed/lightweight teams instead. Some schools still have them. Army-Navy used to play their speed-team game in Pottsville.
Bogus Megapardus

Wait . . . is this all a conspiracy to prove that we're better when we don't offer scholarships?
bethlehempard

Jpao92 wrote:
The Steeplechase, a real train wreck.   Then again, given the choice between watching that train wreck and the FT train wreck, I chose the Hunt.


We stopped at Bamboo Brook/Willowwood instead because of the Steeplechase. Also nice places, we'd been there before, though the Buck gardens are more scenic.
This is what we've come to this season: discussing hastas and rhododendrons instead of football.
Bogus Megapardus

Jpao92 wrote:
The Steeplechase, a real train wreck.   Then again, given the choice between watching that train wreck and the FT train wreck, I chose the Hunt.


Maybe Frank should recruit from the Equestrian team.  They're pretty good.
bethlehempard

Moravian 31 F&M 10 also on local TV. I think we could take F&M.
CHIP72

bethlehempard wrote:
Maybe we can get some of those speed/lightweight teams instead. Some schools still have them. Army-Navy used to play their speed-team game in Pottsville.


Sprint football.
CHIP72

bethlehempard wrote:
Moravian 31 F&M 10 also on local TV. I think we could take F&M.


Moravian/Muhlenberg is definitely a more compelling Lehigh Valley rivalry game this year than Lafayette/Lehigh.

BTW just out of curiosity, which channel is televising the Moravian game?
bethlehempard

Service Electric Cable TV2. Their main announcer, a guy I know, has a son on the team. They usually show a game or two annually.
Franks Tanks

I feel bad for the kids.  They deserve better.  Mr. Mustache should apologize to each player personally for tolerating behavior for years that lead us to this point right now.
bethlehempard

I endured a winless season in high school and it was hell. These season won't be that but not much better.
I feel for our guys. I don't know all about the program but our staff and school is not preparing them for this level of competition.
We need change.

Yes dear... Raking is on with a bottle of Harp.

**we last beat F&M in 1953 according to my 1988 media guide.
CHIP72

OK, that makes sense with Lehigh on the road.  (Service Electric typically televises Lehigh home games.)

East Stroudsburg/Kutztown is also on Channel 39.  (I think Channel 39 carries all Kutztown home games.)  There are also a couple other PSAC games (Bloomsburg/West Chester right now, and IUP/Slippery Rock at 6 PM) on TV today on stations around Pennsylvania.
CHIP72

When was the last time Lafayette had a team as bad as the 2015 edition?
bethlehempard

It is incumbent upon Frank to resign. Either he isn't getting it done or he doesn't have the support of the school.
In either case, he has to step down, with the gratitude and respect of the fans for devoting his career to our school.
Newleopardfan2

What argument can be raised against a drop to D-III, aside from the fact that we have a D-I stadium?
Jpao92

Mr. Moustache has a job for life.  He has nadda care in the world.
Pard4Life

CHIP72 wrote:
When was the last time Lafayette had a team as bad as the 2015 edition?


1980, Neil Putnmas last year.
Pard4Life

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Wait . . . is this all a conspiracy to prove that we're better when we don't offer scholarships?


I knew it! Larry Ramer and Art Rothkopf were right! Games were more exciting when weren't expected to win!
Franks Tanks

CHIP72 wrote:
When was the last time Lafayette had a team as bad as the 2015 edition?

We've had some poor teams, but this is by far the worst I've ever seen.  We had 2 win seasons in 2010, 2001 and 2000, but those teams were far more competitive than this team.

This is about the worst PL team I've seen in respect to margin of losses to league teams.  In our 3 league games the margin is something like 115-14. I'm not being dramatic, but we are probably the worst PL team since the severely overmatched Fordham teams of the 90s.
Jpao92

[/Quote]What argument can be raised against a drop to D-III, aside from the fact that we have a D-I stadium?[/quote]

Please.  That is absolutely hysterical and exactly why our administration treats athletics as they do.  They want them to suck so that those who pushed for DIII can say, "see we told you so."  We proved to you that our programs belonged in DIII by deliberately making them suck so that they belonged in DIII.
flyfisher

Newleopardfan2 wrote:
What argument can be raised against a drop to D-III, aside from the fact that we have a D-I stadium?


Maybe that is the plan. Kčep cutting resources, tolerate losing, no budget  increases, make maroon club raise more money.
.
CHIP72

Besides the Wagner game, Lafayette has scored 37 points total in 6 1/2+ games.  And besides that Wagner game and the water deluge at Delaware, the Leopards have given up at least 34 points and lost by at least 27 points in every game.  I'm embarrassed as a Lehigh Valley native, and I can only imagine how you Lafayette alumni feel.

Meanwhile, Fordham has taken control against Lehigh and now leads 38-21.  The Mountain Hawks are having trouble on offense with Nick Shafnisky out, and Chase Edmonds is running wild for the Rams.
flyfisher

Franks Tanks wrote:
CHIP72 wrote:
When was the last time Lafayette had a team as bad as the 2015 edition?

We've had some poor teams, but this is by far the worst I've ever seen.  We had 2 win seasons in 2010, 2001 and 2000, but those teams were far more competitive than this team.

This is about the worst PL team I've seen in respect to margin of losses to league teams.  In our 3 league games the margin is something like 115-14. I'm not being dramatic, but we are probably the worst PL team since the severely overmatched Fordham teams of the 90s.


What happened to Fordham after that?
BillS

flyfisher wrote:
Newleopardfan2 wrote:
What argument can be raised against a drop to D-III, aside from the fact that we have a D-I stadium?


Maybe that is the plan. Kčep cutting resources, tolerate losing, no budget  increases, make maroon club raise more money.
.
this is pathetic! !! Gtown has far less resources and their facilities suck,isn't it obvious we need a change in the coaching staff?
Franks Tanks

flyfisher wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
CHIP72 wrote:
When was the last time Lafayette had a team as bad as the 2015 edition?

We've had some poor teams, but this is by far the worst I've ever seen.  We had 2 win seasons in 2010, 2001 and 2000, but those teams were far more competitive than this team.

This is about the worst PL team I've seen in respect to margin of losses to league teams.  In our 3 league games the margin is something like 115-14. I'm not being dramatic, but we are probably the worst PL team since the severely overmatched Fordham teams of the 90s.


What happened to Fordham after that?


They continued to suck until they hired Dave Clawson.  Then Clawson left, and they sucked again until they got scholarships and hired Moorhead.  

Fordham was really bad for pretty much their 1st ten years in the league.
Pard4Life

After 7 minutes of play, BYU is beating Wagner 21-0.
bethlehempard

The 1980 team was 3-7 with victories over Davidson, Penn and Kings Point. The average loss was by 21 points, skewed a bit by 44-0 Colgate score and 0-32 to Lehigh (a debacle one had to see to believe).
That team was more competitive than this one IMHO.
Franks Tanks

Franks Tanks wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
CHIP72 wrote:
When was the last time Lafayette had a team as bad as the 2015 edition?

We've had some poor teams, but this is by far the worst I've ever seen.  We had 2 win seasons in 2010, 2001 and 2000, but those teams were far more competitive than this team.

This is about the worst PL team I've seen in respect to margin of losses to league teams.  In our 3 league games the margin is something like 115-14. I'm not being dramatic, but we are probably the worst PL team since the severely overmatched Fordham teams of the 90s.


What happened to Fordham after that?


They continued to suck until they hired Dave Clawson.  Then Clawson left, and they sucked again until they got scholarships and hired Moorhead.  So they got really good when they had good coaches, and weren't very good under Frank's brother from another mother Tom Masella.

Fordham was really bad for pretty much their 1st ten years in the league.
Jpao92

I talked to the President at a blowout last year and asked her the plan. Did Frank have a job for life and for that matter does she think that every varsity team in the athletic program having a losing record was acceptable.  By the way she had no idea that our teams had losing records in every sport (the year I spoke to her this was the case) or that Frank had not had a winning season in forever.  I laid out an argument that athletics were a great ambassador for the school and had a positive role to play.  Her response was a "well, be careful.  If we emphasize them too much it will give voice to those who say we should be playing Division III."    And I thought that ship had sailed.  Foolish me.  

I get the impression that the poison that was Rotkopf's thinking still exists on our BOT.  They would like nothing better than to turn Lafayette into a Podunk all liberal arts DIII also ran.
Franks Tanks

By the way we spend more on football than Holy Cross. We spend more than Georgetown.  It's not all about the $.
flyfisher

Mrzack out with arm injury
Pards Rule

What was the final at Fitton
flyfisher

BillS wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
Newleopardfan2 wrote:
What argument can be raised against a drop to D-III, aside from the fact that we have a D-I stadium?


Maybe that is the plan. Kčep cutting resources, tolerate losing, no budget  increases, make maroon club raise more money.
.
this is pathetic! !! Gtown has far less resources and their facilities suck,isn't it obvious we need a change in the coaching staff?


I am being sarcastic Bill. But if we keep cutting resources they will get their wish
Jpao92

[quote="Pards Rule:51122"]What was the final at Fitton[/quote]

Hard to tell, the scoreboard didn't go that high.
bethlehempard

Holy Cross still has a shot at a point-per-minute game.
This is real drama!
After that last play somebody on defense should be taking a cheap shot at HC.
Our guys are still playing.
Zeus

The school's AD and president are the biggest enemies of Lafayette football. Funny though, when the team won the league championship two years ago,those two people decided to put themselves in the front of the parade, and make it about themselves. Same thing happened during the Yankees stadium week/after the game.
Pards Rule

Pard4Life wrote:
CHIP72 wrote:
When was the last time Lafayette had a team as bad as the 2015 edition?


1980, Neil Putnmas last year.


Agreed! This is deplorable...42-0 Cross mid 4th
Zeus

The team is hurt and the injuries have ruined the season. It sucks, but I can't grasp why it's so hard for people to understand?
bethlehempard

Georgetown is going to beat Bucknell. I wonder what excuses Susan will have.
Franks Tanks

Zeus wrote:
The school's AD and president are the biggest enemies of Lafayette football. Funny though, when the team won the league championship two years ago,those two people decided to put themselves in the front of the parade, and make it about themselves. Same thing happened during the Yankees stadium week/after the game.


I somewhat disagree.

The AD is incompetent, but his is not trying to make football bad.  He just has no idea how to perform his job effectively.

The current president just doesn't really care/ is not informed.  Art was actively trying to destroy the program, and that is certainly not the case with Byerly.
bethlehempard

Zeus wrote:
The team is hurt and the injuries have ruined the season. It sucks, but I can't grasp why it's so hard for people to understand?


Six straight losing seasons in one of the most-forgiving FCS leagues. It's not just this year or the wheel of excuses or suspensions or ....
That's what I can't understand. Six straight losing years in the PATRIOT LEAGUE!
Newleopardfan2

Jpao92 wrote:
What argument can be raised against a drop to D-III, aside from the fact that we have a D-I stadium?[/quote]

Please.  That is absolutely hysterical and exactly why our administration treats athletics as they do.  They want them to suck so that those who pushed for DIII can say, "see we told you so."  We proved to you that our programs belonged in DIII by deliberately making them suck so that they belonged in DIII.[/quote]

We're all in agreement here. I just think it's good to hone the arguments "against", since, well, at least this year, and for many or most of the past several, we do suck. Since 2009, our W-L is at 22-42.
Bogus Megapardus

I'm sure there's lots of pressure from other sports to make sure it's "not all about football."  But face the facts - it is all about football.  Football is the "straw that stirs the drink," as our Holy Cross friend likes to say.

Consecutive 42-0 shutouts are going to have to garner somebody's attention, somewhere.
Zeus

[quote="Franks Tanks:51131"][quote="Zeus:51126"]The school's AD and president are the biggest enemies of Lafayette football. Funny though, when the team won the league championship two years ago,those two people decided to put themselves in the front of the parade, and make it about themselves. Same thing happened during the Yankees stadium week/after the game.[/quote]

I somewhat disagree.

The AD is incompetent, but his is not trying to make football bad.  He just has no idea how to perform his job effectively.

The current president just doesn't really care/ is not informed.  Art was actively trying to destroy the program, and that is certainly not the case with Byerly.[/quote]


I don't think one person can name one positive thing either of them has done for Lafayette athletics
Pard4Life

Zeus wrote:
The team is hurt and the injuries have ruined the season. It sucks, but I can't grasp why it's so hard for people to understand?


It's hard to buy claims like that when you are playing respectable and HC puts up 21 quick pts on three straight blown coverage plays, and it involves an experienced senior.
Franks Tanks

Zeus wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
Zeus wrote:
The school's AD and president are the biggest enemies of Lafayette football. Funny though, when the team won the league championship two years ago,those two people decided to put themselves in the front of the parade, and make it about themselves. Same thing happened during the Yankees stadium week/after the game.


I somewhat disagree.

The AD is incompetent, but his is not trying to make football bad.  He just has no idea how to perform his job effectively.

The current president just doesn't really care/ is not informed.  Art was actively trying to destroy the program, and that is certainly not the case with Byerly.



I don't think one person can name one positive thing either of them has done for Lafayette athletics


Agree.  I think our AD is a total buffoon.  Just watching him stand around devoid of any emotion makes my blood boil.  

Our President is like a 1000 percent improvement over Art and Dan.  She doesn't demand excellence in athletics, but she isn't actively undermining them either.
Zeus

not putting any money back into athletics/football after 150 is undermining them. She's a problem, just not as blatantly obvious as the two previous guys with her approach.
Pards Rule

Last three weeks we have been outscored by 122-7!! Damn that is WORSE than 1980 under Neil Putnam. It truly is Back to the Future this week!! Who ever thought in 1980 we would be talking about Neil 35 years later in this internet forum thingy?
Leopard Loyalist

We probably need to go back to the dawn of the blessedly brief Ken Bunn era, 1963 and 1964 (1-8, 0-7-2). First four games of 1963 we were outscored 157-7.

We all acknowledge the impact of the injuries, but even without them, does anyone doubt we'd be struggling to make it to 5-6 again?
Bogus Megapardus

The replay is up:

http://livestream.com/lafayette/l...tefootball-15-16/videos/102794526
bethlehempard

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
The replay is up:

http://livestream.com/lafayette/l...tefootball-15-16/videos/102794526


Funniest post of the season!
I'm not sure why but it is!
Bogus Megapardus

bethlehempard wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
The replay is up:

http://livestream.com/lafayette/l...tefootball-15-16/videos/102794526


Funniest post of the season!
I'm not sure why but it is!


The sarcasm is biting, no?  Rolling Eyes
Jpao92

Exactly, the President poo-poo's athletics until she needs to raise funds or ride the victory float (which isn't that often).  This year when we were getting disgraced at home by Princeton and our AD and President were yucking it up in eager anticipation of getting down on the field for the halftime B-Ball Patriot League Championship fete.
flyfisher

Zeus wrote:
The school's AD and president are the biggest enemies of Lafayette football. Funny though, when the team won the league championship two years ago,those two people decided to put themselves in the front of the parade, and make it about themselves. Same thing happened during the Yankees stadium week/after the game.


Amen, amen, amen. Watch Byerly's comments closely on her recent webcast. She talks out of both sides of her mouth. Do as I say, not as I do. Also Getting the details on the fraternity meetings and the chi phi presentation. That meeting made it perfectly clear to the boys how the school feels about football. They lost the kids that day. They made it clear they wanted nothing to do with a fraternity composed of athletes.
flyfisher

Pard4Life wrote:
Zeus wrote:
The team is hurt and the injuries have ruined the season. It sucks, but I can't grasp why it's so hard for people to understand?


It's hard to buy claims like that when you are playing respectable and HC puts up 21 quick pts on three straight blown coverage plays, and it involves an experienced senior.


You saw that too, huh? They burned 2 senior db's all day. One just wasn't fast enough and it was a mis-match.  Not sure the other really  cares.
Franks Tanks

Nothing Byerly has done, or failed to do, was responsible for what we saw today, and what we've seen for the last 6 years.  It's like those dudes that blame Obama for their failure to get a job.

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