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ed65

Holy Cross

The team got a beat down tonight giving up an untypical 90 points.  Kudos to HC.

Now the game in Bethlehem on Sat becomes a must win for a .500 record (they should beat 'Gate but I don't expect a win at Army.

At this stage, I'm really not expecting much.

The coach is now 2-3 in Feb.
SixtyEighter

I didn't get to see last night's women's game so I can't comment on it in particular. However I have been unhappy with this coach for over a year. She has had three full recruiting classes and one truncated year and hasn't even produced a five hundred team. It will be a struggle to finish at 500 the way they play.I don't consider near 500 to constitute a turn around even though it is an improvement over Tammy Smith's abysmal tenure.Horrible to mediocre is nothing to be proud of.When those players enter the gym they represent $600,000.00 in scholarship money.
ed65

No argument with sixty eighter on this one.  The coach is enthusiastic but she can't seem to recruit an effective point guard.  I hate to criticize a player bec. I like the kids so much but O'Hare is terrible shooter.  Since I am not a hoops maven, I don't know how you work with a kid to fix a player's shot but someone on the coaching staff ought to be able to do it.
carney2

ed65 wrote:
No argument with sixty eighter on this one.  The coach is enthusiastic but she can't seem to recruit an effective point guard.  I hate to criticize a player bec. I like the kids so much but O'Hare is terrible shooter.  Since I am not a hoops maven, I don't know how you work with a kid to fix a player's shot but someone on the coaching staff ought to be able to do it.


You recruit a shooter.  You don't create one.  College basketball players have been playing the game for 10 years, give or take.  By this time they either can or they can't.  Personally, I'm hoping that there's something in the genes and this Ptasinski kid is truly her brother's sister.

As for Nolan's not so gaudy record since taking over, we are at the mercy of Bruce's "hire experience and keep 'em till death do us part" hiring philosophy.  Our three premier sports - football, men's and women's hoops - have coaches who cannot be relieved of their duties.  They will leave on their own terms when they decide to claim their gold watch.  Not saying that any should go, but the athletic administration has lost control.  Heluva way to run a railroad.
NewXbo

First of all, Gibbons is 50-7 against us lifetime. Like him or not, he can coach. I think its still 2 more years before we know if Nolan is the right person. She got 2 good player in her first class (Homan & Macklin), her second class hasn't produced, out of the freshman Soulsby looks like she will contribute. Ptasinski appears to be the shooter we need and the kid from Berks or Bucks county, whose name I can't think of, looks like she'll be the PG we need.

I think she was a little surprised at how good the PL is and has stepped up recruiting. Time will tell. I think a coach should get 7-8 years unless their are major problems, ie softball.
SixtyEighter

I can't agree that the coach should get that many years. Compare what Fran did after Leone's Tammy Smith type W/L numbers.Nolan also brought in Fiocco who she bird dogged from Yale. Fiocco is the posterchild for this program.Focco entered the program with lots of promise but has not really improved under Nolan's coaching. None of the players have.We have had three straight "Rookies of the year' and it has not led to anything..And Nolan has not made any " projects" into major contributors. During the broadcasts of the Tammy Smith era Leone was continually damning Tammy Smith with faint praise by saying over and over that the x's and o's were working but the players were not making the shots.That is  what distinguishes Fran from Nolan-He gets players who can execute or makes players who can execute.If they don't execute eventually they don't play-e,g,Wes Smith.He had plenty of playing time early in his career  and executed the offense but couldn't convert his open looks.Nolan's players get to the spot for the open look and then they shoot 26%.And the women's defense has gotten worse instead of better as the season has progressed. Fran's defense was leaky early on but he has really tightened it up.The one player who seems to have blossomed is the DIII transfer from NYU.It is hard to guage where she started talent wise. My son played football in the UAA which is the league NYU is in for basketball and it is well below the Patriot League level of play but the schools are all great academic institutions-Brandeis, U of Chicago, Case,Wash U and many others.But I digress; the bottom line is that Nolan fulfills that quote that is thrown around this forum about not winning too much because it's bad for the school. I think the worst part is that the players do not progress.Sory for the screed.
NewXbo

Please see Carney's post of 12/21/10, where coach Nolan says she knew of Fiacco when she was recruiting for Yale. She had already signed with Lafayette when Smith was let go on`3/8/10.
ed65

sixty eighter nailed it re: the coach.  Nolan is very enthusiastic and likeable (unlike the dour Tammie Smith) but the record speaks for itself.  They lose Fiacco next year and whatever else, she is a tremendous defensive presence.  She will be missed.  She is very nice kid as well from Upper Westchester County NY where we don't seem to recruit for some reason.
ed65

Carney "You recruit a shooter.  You don't create one."  Without getting into a wrangle about this bec I would certainly defer to your hoops knowledge, there are countless examples of college players improving their shooting percentages.  However, that does not seem to be the case for the Nolan era.
bball10

Hey Ed65 .. if you are still going to refer back to me after 4 years out, please spell my name properly..It's TAMMY..
Thank you!!
ed65

bball10 wrote:
Hey Ed65 .. if you are still going to refer back to me after 4 years out, please spell my name properly..It's TAMMY..
Thank you!!


Sure will.  My apologies Tammy.
Lafalum

ed65 wrote:
Carney "You recruit a shooter.  You don't create one."  Without getting into a wrangle about this bec I would certainly defer to your hoops knowledge, there are countless examples of college players improving their shooting percentages.  However, that does not seem to be the case for the Nolan era.


I like coaches who take over the room when they enter it. Frank can do that and Nolan impresses me as one of those people. It takes awhile in our circumstances to change a culture. I see glimpses of that this year. I think this team is on the right track and for the most part love their effort on the floor. They will get better!!
carney2

ed65 wrote:
Carney I defer to your hoops knowledge


You defer to a vacuum.
ed65

Carney: should I debate the vacuum point??
ed65

Lafalum wrote:
ed65 wrote:
Carney "You recruit a shooter.  You don't create one."  Without getting into a wrangle about this bec I would certainly defer to your hoops knowledge, there are countless examples of college players improving their shooting percentages.  However, that does not seem to be the case for the Nolan era.


I like coaches who take over the room when they enter it. Frank can do that and Nolan impresses me as one of those people. It takes awhile in our circumstances to change a culture. I see glimpses of that this year. I think this team is on the right track and for the most part love their effort on the floor. They will get better!!


Hope you are right, Lafalum.  It is just amazing how far the women's program has fallen.  Basketball is a sport where recruting just a few players can make a big difference.  I suppose we can say this year is an improvement but the losses at home to Met College and Holy Cross put a real damper on what could have been a big step forward.  Maybe the new recruits will really step up next season. If they are really talented, let's hope the coach plays them a lot.
SixtyEighter

If Fiocco was Lafayette bound before Nolan came here then she lied at her introductory meeting because I was There when she said she brought Fiocco here .It is a minor point. The main issue is games like the one last night.That was a game the team needed badly to win and lost because they couldn't throw the basketball into the ocean . They shot less than their 26% average for Three's which is hard to believe for a DI program and about 20% otherwise which is more pathetic considering the height of the inside players.As usual there was no offensive plan except dribble, dribble, dribble into a turnover.I have never seen such a turnover fest or lack of poise.We turned a close game into a rout.Lehigh , a 2 or 3 win team was the recipient of a colossal f-up by a team with no clue no plan and no poise.When a team goes into a hole the coach is supposed to help dig them out not let them keep digging. This is what I have seen all season long.
bison137

SixtyEighter wrote:
If Fiocco was Lafayette bound before Nolan came here then she lied at her introductory meeting because I was There when she said she brought Fiocco here .



If she said that, then she did indeed lie.   The first article to mention Fiacco's commitment to LC was in September 2009 and she reportedly signed her LOI in November of 2009.   There was a thread about her commitment on this site during that time period.

The new coach, of course, was hired in late April 2010.   Is it possible that at her press conference she made a vague referencing to LC bringing in a big center next year without saying she had recruited her?
carney2

ed65 wrote:
Carney: should I debate the vacuum point??


A serious debate with a void?  Did you get a graduate degree at Lehigh?
The Maroon

Gibbons is a great coach - he's given us fits for years. Fisher, Smith and now Nolan haven't solved him.

I've never liked O'Hare's shooting mechanics and she can't be out there firing up the number of 3's she does with her shooting percentage - that's as far as I'll take that one from a critical standpoint. But that's on Nolan in many ways. Her TO's are way down this year - that's a positive.

Point guards are a HELL of a lot more effective if they have shooters they can whip it to. I actually think we've upgraded significantly at the position over the past couple of years in terms of playmaking/passing ability. If you you don't have effective outside shooters to spread the defense when they drive the lane and the defense converges there often isn't enough room to make that assist to Homan/Fiacco - whoever.

I have to categorically disagree with Fiacco's development - By virtually all measures she's come a long way.She shot 36% as a frosh and is shooting 44% now - a stat she has improved on every year she's been on the hill.  Her minutes are down because we've tried to become a more up-tempo team, but I think she's more than lived up to her promise. She should leave College Hill with over 1,000 points, 850 rebounds, and the PL record holder in blocks. She came to us a 6'7 project froma small school. She's leaving a Hall of Famer.

Didn't know Tammy personally - but I wouldn't use dour to describe her. Her players fought like hell until the end and seemed to like playing for her. They were just overmanned way to much of the time. I can tell you on pretty good authority that Nolan's team checked out on her a couple of seasons ago.

This is now Nolan's team.  This is year four. We gave her a heroes welcome and wanted to sign her to a lifetime contract early on- now it's not as clear.  Dianne has three recruiting classes on the floor and from my vantage point only one of them is better than the class she inherited.

And we did take a step forward this year - remember this team was picked to finish 9th. We played some good teams tough and the BU loss stings as it will probably keep us from the .500 league winning percentage. I'm very confident that Nolan can get this program to being a .500 team - but is that enough? I'd sure like to see us win a tournament game.

I am VERY hopeful that Ptasinski will give us the sorely needed outside scoring threat we desperately need. But as NewX pointed out - we'll have to replace a lot of rebounds. My optimism for next year is based on the fact that we should have a clear identity as an up-tempo team and I think that will help us - but we'll see.

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