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Lafalum

Hopkins to the PL

On May 17 JHU announced they would seek to affiliate with a Div 1 Conference. Why not the PL. We certainly fit the bill as an academic fit and geographically Navy and Loyola would be there as long time rivals.

Any thoughts??!!
Pard4Life

... here goes the "Nova to the PL" talk from AGS...

Not so sure.

Big 10 is an ascending power.  Lax is JHUs only prime sport, so they are probably going to maximize revenue and exposure while partnering with similar institutions.  The ACC is also another option.  I'd suspect we are third.

Not sure what happens to Gtown and Nova lax... they could got Big Ten for associate status.
leopard88

I read a number of articles in the Baltimore Sun after the announcement by Hopkins.  If memory serves me, none specifically mentioned the PL as a possible destination.  Most focused on the ACC and Big Ten, particularly since Hopkins says it wants to retain as many of its longstanding rivalries as possible.

I wouldn't rule out the PL, but I think it is a longshot.  The academic fit is there.  However, Loyola and Navy are the only real Hopkins rivals in the league (and, to a lesser degree, Army since they have played Hopkins recently).  Even with the improvement in the quality of play in the PL, Hopkins would generally be perceived as the big fish in a little pond (at least initially), which I believe is something they want to avoid.

I am interested in following this process, as there are significant pros and cons to most conferences.  To summarize --

ACC -- Killer conference schedule.  Many existing rivals (Virginia, Duke, Syracuse).  Tough to earn the AQ given the depth of the league.

Big Ten -- Academic prestige.  Easier AQ, though hardly automatic.  Maryland is the only current rival.

PL  --  See above.  Better chance to earn the AQ.  Large league size makes it hard to maintain non-conference rivalries (9 conference games if you play everyone once).
bison137

I think one issue is the AI.   Hopkins has brought in some players in the past who would not have been admissible with the AI.   Given that lax is their major sport,  I doubt they would do anything to jeopardize their chances of winning a national championship.
edmc2416

It is really interesting if, as Bison says, Hopkins (a fine academic institution) messed with academics to bring in Lax players.  I'm curious about Bison's source for this.  And, please Mr Bison, this is not a criticism or a shot at you bec. I enjoy your posts on this site.  

Actually, I'd like to see Hopkins upgrade their entire athletic program to D-1 and 1AA (or whatever it is called now) in football.  They certainly could afford it with Bloomberg's money alone.
leopard88

I've often wondered myself why Hopkins doesn't upgrade everything to D-I.  They would seem to be a great fit for the PL if they did . . . especially with Loyola in the PL.

My guess is that they don't want to make the investment in basketball and football.  I would think the cost of their other sports wouldn't be that much higher if they moved up.
Bogus Megapardus

This talk has been going on for a while.  Hopkins will go to the Big 10 or ACC, most likely the ACC.  While I'd love to have Hopkins in the PL, I don't think it will happen.
Lafalum

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
This talk has been going on for a while.  Hopkins will go to the Big 10 or ACC, most likely the ACC.  While I'd love to have Hopkins in the PL, I don't think it will happen.

Interesting this is a move ONLY for the men's team. How they avoid a title IX issue is an interesting problem.
Lafalum

leopard88 wrote:
I read a number of articles in the Baltimore Sun after the announcement by Hopkins.  If memory serves me, none specifically mentioned the PL as a possible destination.  Most focused on the ACC and Big Ten, particularly since Hopkins says it wants to retain as many of its longstanding rivalries as possible.


PL  --  See above.  Better chance to earn the AQ.  Large league size makes it hard to maintain non-conference rivalries (9 conference games if you play everyone once).


That problem could be fixed by splitting Lacrosse into two divisions eg North and South with a conference tournament at the end. They could keep Loyola and Navy and still play Maryland (Big Ten) and  Duke ( ACC) as out of conference foes.
bison137

Lafalum wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
This talk has been going on for a while.  Hopkins will go to the Big 10 or ACC, most likely the ACC.  While I'd love to have Hopkins in the PL, I don't think it will happen.

Interesting this is a move ONLY for the men's team. How they avoid a title IX issue is an interesting problem.



I don't think there are any Title IX issues.   Hopkins' women's lax team is already in a strong D1 lax conference - American Lacrosse Conference - with Northwestern, Penn State, Florida, Ohio State, etc.
Lafalum

bison137 wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
Bogus Megapardus wrote:
This talk has been going on for a while.  Hopkins will go to the Big 10 or ACC, most likely the ACC.  While I'd love to have Hopkins in the PL, I don't think it will happen.

Interesting this is a move ONLY for the men's team. How they avoid a title IX issue is an interesting problem.



I don't think there are any Title IX issues.   Hopkins' women's lax team is already in a strong D1 lax conference - American Lacrosse Conference - with Northwestern, Penn State, Florida, Ohio State, etc.


I believe in their announcement they said that the women's team would move to be an independent. They are leaving the ALC in 2014.
Franks Tanks

It does seem that Hopkins is bound for the Big 10 or ACC in Lax.

The Big 10 lax conference will have PSU, OSU, Michigan, Rutgers and Maryland.  The Terps are the only traditional power in the group, but PSU and OSU are getting pretty good.  Michigan should join them soon.  Rutgers always seems to be stuck in mediocrity.


The ACC will add Syracuse and Notre Dame to Duke, UNC and UVA to make the best lax conference in the land.  It would seem a natural fit, but who knows.

I think the PL would be the 3rd choice, but a distant 3rd.  Hopkins likes the fact that the Big 10 and ACC will only have 5 conference games, and they can maintain a good deal of schedule flexibility.  The PL lax conference is getting rather large and will not leave much room for OOC contests.
Lafalum

Franks Tanks wrote:
It does seem that Hopkins is bound for the Big 10 or ACC in Lax.

The Big 10 lax conference will have PSU, OSU, Michigan, Rutgers and Maryland.  The Terps are the only traditional power in the group, but PSU and OSU are getting pretty good.  Michigan should join them soon.  Rutgers always seems to be stuck in mediocrity.


The ACC will add Syracuse and Notre Dame to Duke, UNC and UVA to make the best lax conference in the land.  It would seem a natural fit, but who knows.

I think the PL would be the 3rd choice, but a distant 3rd.  Hopkins likes the fact that the Big 10 and ACC will only have 5 conference games, and they can maintain a good deal of schedule flexibility.  The PL lax conference is getting rather large and will not leave much room for OOC contests.


If JHU were to join PL in Lacrosse  the PL could become a two division league(North and South) and Hopkins could add the women's team as well when they leave the ALC in 2014.
Franks Tanks

Lafalum wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
It does seem that Hopkins is bound for the Big 10 or ACC in Lax.

The Big 10 lax conference will have PSU, OSU, Michigan, Rutgers and Maryland.  The Terps are the only traditional power in the group, but PSU and OSU are getting pretty good.  Michigan should join them soon.  Rutgers always seems to be stuck in mediocrity.


The ACC will add Syracuse and Notre Dame to Duke, UNC and UVA to make the best lax conference in the land.  It would seem a natural fit, but who knows.

I think the PL would be the 3rd choice, but a distant 3rd.  Hopkins likes the fact that the Big 10 and ACC will only have 5 conference games, and they can maintain a good deal of schedule flexibility.  The PL lax conference is getting rather large and will not leave much room for OOC contests.


If JHU were to join PL in Lacrosse  the PL could become a two division league(North and South) and Hopkins could add the women's team as well when they leave the ALC in 2014.


Good point.  Obviously Hopkins would be huge for the PL.
Bogus Megapardus

Looking at the Hopkins thread on LaxPower, there's very little (if any) enthusiasm for the PL.  Most there think it will be the Big 10 - which needs a sixth team in any event.
leopard88

According to the Baltimore Sun, JHU is expected to announce today that it is joining the Big Ten for men's lacrosse.  They certainly didn't waste much time making a decision.

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