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bethlehempard

Ivies end tackling in practice; now move kickoff

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03...p;referer=https://www.google.com/
RichH

Understand the motives but this is not the answer. LU did it a couple of years ago. Led to very poor tackling.in games. Made our bad D e en worse. Did limit injuries in practice but increased them in games.  Only way to learn proper technique is to actually practice it.
Players are bigger stronger and faster than 20-30 yrs ago. Makes sense to limit unnecessary contact in practice for safety. Removing it altogether only makes sense if you do the same in games.
LeopardBall10

RichH wrote:
Removing it altogether only makes sense if you do the same in games.


Maybe they know something we don't
Bogus Megapardus

Maybe the goal is to replicate the success of the great John Gagliardi at St. John's (Minn.)
LeopardBall10

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Maybe the goal is to replicate the success of the great John Gagliardi at St. John's (Minn.)


That is very possible, but the Gagliardi model is more than just no tackling in practice. There were no whistles, no sleds, and the players called coaches by their names. That was a cultural idea.

From all of the interviews the Dartmouth staff has been doing it sounds like their philosophy is slightly different. According to them they have not tackled each other at practice for several years, but instead focus on tackling dummies and technique drills. From the data they have recorded (because why not, they are the Ivies) they claim to have seen a 50% drop in missed tackles. They claim that tackling other players in practice not only causes a majority of all practice injuries but also creates bad habits through players trying to ease up or avoid one another. I have also heard several Dartmouth coaches use the phrase "hungry on Saturday" to describe the attitude of a team who only gets to tackle one day a week.
RichH

Dartmouth also uses the live action tackling dummy.
Guess the word is balance. Players need to learn and use prpper technigue. If you can learn that by way of less or no contact drills, I am all for it. Safety has to be a paramount concern. I notice that a lot of coaches say we can do no contact because players coming in already know the basics. I wonder whether these policies are merely shifting the burden of contact drills technique training to High Schools. Dont know the answer.
Andy

Columbia Spring Game April 16.  Penn Spring Game April 10. Are they playing 2-hand-touch.

It's been apparent over the last several years that LC's OL has been slow to "gel."  According to PR, we have at least 2 OL-men moving to new positions.  No pads. Somehow our guys will learn their positions and "gel", I suppose, running wind sprints and agility drills.

No pads. No scrimmages. No spring game. Let me add another. No interest.

See you in the fall.  

Lehigh spring scrimmage April 22.
BPard

RichH wrote:
I notice that a lot of coaches say we can do no contact because players coming in already know the basics. I wonder whether these policies are merely shifting the burden of contact drills technique training to High Schools. Dont know the answer.
I've read the same quotes from multiple Ivy League coaches. Ivy league recruits may already have the technique/basics, but is it true of every DI player? Count me skeptical.
Franks Tanks

Andy wrote:
Columbia Spring Game April 16.  Penn Spring Game April 10. Are they playing 2-hand-touch.

It's been apparent over the last several years that LC's OL has been slow to "gel."  According to PR, we have at least 2 OL-men moving to new positions.  No pads. Somehow our guys will learn their positions and "gel", I suppose, running wind sprints and agility drills.

No pads. No scrimmages. No spring game. Let me add another. No interest.

See you in the fall.  

Lehigh spring scrimmage April 22.


Wasn't the ban just for tackling during practice during the regular season? I was under the impression they would allow tacking during fall and spring camp.

I don't understand why we aren't at least putting on the pads to get some live action on the line.  No tackling? ok fine.  No spring game? I understand.

No live blocking at all during the spring seems very strange.  A lot of technique work is done during the spring, and the younger guys can make big strides in the spring.
NE Leopard

I'm sure the OL/DL will be doing 1 on 1's. They will have helmets and shells, so it is probably no different for them. As far as a couple OL's moving to new positions, there is a lot of technique work that can be done without hitting, and they all need reps to gel.

Since the entire starting OL lineup will be back in some form from last year, they should be much better with the experience and the offseason strength program. Last year's version came into the season with a total of about 20 games started, this year's squad has over 50 games under their belt.
SIDELINER

If you read The Morning Call's story quoting coachers Tavani and Coen, as well as having a statement from the PL and a quote from Matt Panto of the Ivy League, you see that what the Ivies are going to in season is THUD, which is the same "tackling technique used by LC and LU in season. Wrap up above the waist but no going to the ground. Then only thing unique now is that the IVY LEAGUE will adopt the practice. PL exec. dir. statement indicated that such decisions will be made by individual schools. At least that's the way it is now. So, in effect, the Ivies were blowing a horn that had no new music coming out of it.
Andy

NE Leopard wrote:
I'm sure the OL/DL will be doing 1 on 1's. They will have helmets and shells, so it is probably no different for them.



NE, Frank was quoted "no uppers."

"Shoulder pads will be nowhere in sight....all 15 sessions."
NE Leopard

It will be interesting to see how Coach Clayton gets through Spring with no hitting🏈😀
bethlehempard

The Ivies will kick off from the 40 and touchbacks will start at the 20 as part of their concussion focus. In league games only. Supposedly 23.4 percent of concussions occur on KO returns, which account for only 5.8 percent of plays.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football...league-move-kickoffs-40-yard-line

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