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Job listing for a new asst men's basketball coach

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carney2

We love Dawson and Farrell as former players and fellow alums.  We know very little about Schwethelm.  Honestly though, folks, they are a relatively young and inexperienced group without much collective success.  How much would we be losing?  Really.

Frankly, I'd trade any one of them for a young, energetic assistant of color who can recruit.

Straying a bit farther afield, I had a conversation recently that leads me to believe that the movers and shakers of the College are not at all impressed yet with the academic accomplishments of the scholarship recruits.  The Lehigh people said that when they implemented scholarships, the academic profiles of the recruits went up.  Apparently, still waiting for some positive results on College Hill.
Andy

carney2 wrote:
We love Dawson and Farrell as former players and fellow alums.  We know very little about Schwethelm.  Honestly though, folks, they are a relatively young and inexperienced group without much collective success.  How much would we be losing?  Really.

Frankly, I'd trade any one of them for a young, energetic assistant of color who can recruit.

Straying a bit farther afield, I had a conversation recently that leads me to believe that the movers and shakers of the College are not at all impressed yet with the academic accomplishments of the scholarship recruits.  The Lehigh people said that when they implemented scholarships, the academic profiles of the recruits went up.  Apparently, still waiting for some positive results on College Hill.


Current class seems pretty strong:

Jim Mower:  maintains a 3.6 grade-point average (GPA).... He is a member of the National Honor Society and an was an All-American Scholar Award winner.

"J.D." Pelham: A four-year honor roll student who collected Academic All-Conference honors, Pelham plans to major in Mechanical Engineering at Lafayette. He maintains a 3.5 unweighted GPA and over a 4.0 when factoring in the difficulty of his course load.

Ryan Willen: An outstanding student, Willen earned Academic All-State accolades and maintains a 4.0 GPA. Willen is also a member of the National Honor Society.

I can't address Lehigh's increase w/ scholarships, but we can compare their numbers WITH scholarships to ours WITHOUT. From the respective self studies:

Year    # of freshmen bball players on ath. aid    GPA   SAT

Lehigh

'05     2      2.93      1155  
'04     4       3.49      1198
'03      3      3.76      1140

Lafayette

'04-'05    3      3.596    1130
'03-'04     3      3.05      1145

I believe Lehigh's first scholarship class entered in the Fall of 1999.  We'll see where we're at 4, 5 and 6 years down the road as a scholarship program.

I realize scholarships at LC came with an academic component, however, I'd be happy initially with bringing in better basketball players while maintaining the level of academic credentials demonstrated here. (I'd guess the current class already betters those #s) Once the program is more successful on the court, it'll be easier to bring in those trophy kids with talent and even higher grades. Folks have to give it some time.
Lafalum

I understand there was a faculty study that was critical ( should we be surprised??) Keep in mind that scholarships came very late in the recruiting cycle for the first class and even the second was shortend. However, in the four sports overall who have scholarships,  academically we got better recruits which was embedded in the requirements. The faculty as I understand it was trying to change the bar in that the recruits would better than  the all school average. That won't fly and it was not the agreement. Also we are comparing GPA's of freshman vs upperclasmen at this stage, which would be apples and oranges as well.
I also understand the report was sloppily put together and included some students- athletes who are not on athletic scholarships. In the end, it was conceded the group is too small, and too early in the process to come to any conclusion. But there is clearly still an active group of faculty that want it to fail. This decision will not be reversed especially with the annoucement of a campaign coming this fall (300 mio).
Kiltedpard

Very interesting.
But, does anyone know who's position is being advertised for?
Andy

Haven't seen a men's ad. An ad for a women's part time asst was apparently posted on May 2.

http://www.athleticlink.com/JobView.asp?JobId=103226
cr

carney2 wrote:
We love Dawson and Farrell as former players and fellow alums.  We know very little about Schwethelm.  Honestly though, folks, they are a relatively young and inexperienced group without much collective success.  How much would we be losing?  Really.

Frankly, I'd trade any one of them for a young, energetic assistant of color who can recruit.

Straying a bit farther afield, I had a conversation recently that leads me to believe that the movers and shakers of the College are not at all impressed yet with the academic accomplishments of the scholarship recruits.  The Lehigh people said that when they implemented scholarships, the academic profiles of the recruits went up.  Apparently, still waiting for some positive results on College Hill.





It seems a little early for the academics to complain about the issue of grades this early in the exercise. If your teams are improving and you hold the line what is wrong with that!!  Sounds like Arthur still has some friends who are poking around stirring up trouble.
seenalot

Some professors would complain after oral sex.....fact is they lose sight of who the employees are, and that there is an aspect of the college where their opinion is not relevant let alone requested.  Sometimes I wonder if they think the college to be about them - not the students.
Lafalum

I had a friend who was a "rock star" professor at an Ivy League school. (He was doing consulting work for us). I mean if I gave up his name you would recognize him right away.He said the biggest secret in academia was that students always, always come second to the ego of most professors and they have more loyalty to their "discipline" than their institution. In the view of most professors at his school, students were a neccessary annoyance so they could continue their writing and research.

I hope we are not moving in that direction but I fear we are.
carney2

seenalot wrote:
Some professors lose sight of who the employees are,


There is not a faculty anywhere that does not believe that they, collectively, do not have a right to an equal voice, equal power in management.  One, and only one, of Uncle Artie's really big problems was that he accepted this down to the marrow of his bones.  He caved to faculty wishes on just about everything, and they loved him for it.  Check the tributes after he announced his retirement.  Most came from faculty members.  He was their puppet and they knew that they'd miss him.
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Kiltedpard

http://ww2.lafayette.edu/~humres/hiring_vacancies.php

Here's the listing from the college HR page
TheTruth

I've heard that Dawson is heading to Hartford.  Elliott Broadnax is there.  Could be another change as well.  Will post once confirmed.
Pard Promise

Coaching changes...

Dawson is going to Hartford and Farrell is going to grad school.
TheTruth

Thanks Pard Promise.  You beat me to it.
Pard Promise

Farrell is a rock star...

There was some discussion that Farrell might pursue a singing career...I don't have any independent confirmation of that, however.

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