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NE Leopard

Kick-off to 2016

After Colgate's domination of UNH, is anybody encouraged about next year based on how well we actually played against the Gate?

Coaching aside, I think we have the talent level to compete for the PL title next year. I'll go out on a limb and say we have an excellent shot at 6-5, with some luck, maybe 7-4. We need some team leaders to step up over the winter and get rid of the 2015 nightmare.

As Killa Bee says, win by 33 and bet the house!
Franks Tanks

Re: Kick-off to 2016

NE Leopard wrote:
After Colgate's domination of UNH, is anybody encouraged about next year based on how well we actually played against the Gate?

Coaching aside, I think we have the talent level to compete for the PL title next year. I'll go out on a limb and say we have an excellent shot at 6-5, with some luck, maybe 7-4. We need some team leaders to step up over the winter and get rid of the 2015 nightmare.

As Killa Bee says, win by 33 and bet the house!


2-4 wins if we keep the same staff in place.  We have a very difficult schedule next year.  OOC slate is tough, and pretty much every team in our league should be better as most of us played few seniors this past year.  

It has been 6 seasons since the current staff was able to return a winning record.  Expect more of the same.
NE Leopard

Re: Kick-off to 2016

Franks Tanks wrote:
NE Leopard wrote:
After Colgate's domination of UNH, is anybody encouraged about next year based on how well we actually played against the Gate?

Coaching aside, I think we have the talent level to compete for the PL title next year. I'll go out on a limb and say we have an excellent shot at 6-5, with some luck, maybe 7-4. We need some team leaders to step up over the winter and get rid of the 2015 nightmare.

As Killa Bee says, win by 33 and bet the house!


2-4 wins if we keep the same staff in place.  We have a very difficult schedule next year.  OOC slate is tough, and pretty much every team in our league should be better as most of us played few seniors this past year.  

It has been 6 seasons since the current staff was able to return a winning record.  Expect more of the same.


Have some faith in the kids! I'm thinking we go 2-3 in the OOC, then win 4 or 5 games in the PL. Crystal ball outlook:

CCSU - w
Delaware - w
Princeton - l
Villanova - l
HC - w
Fordham - toss up
Army - l
Bucknell - w
GT - w
Gate - toss up
Stains - w
Franks Tanks

Re: Kick-off to 2016

NE Leopard wrote:
Franks Tanks wrote:
NE Leopard wrote:
After Colgate's domination of UNH, is anybody encouraged about next year based on how well we actually played against the Gate?

Coaching aside, I think we have the talent level to compete for the PL title next year. I'll go out on a limb and say we have an excellent shot at 6-5, with some luck, maybe 7-4. We need some team leaders to step up over the winter and get rid of the 2015 nightmare.

As Killa Bee says, win by 33 and bet the house!


2-4 wins if we keep the same staff in place.  We have a very difficult schedule next year.  OOC slate is tough, and pretty much every team in our league should be better as most of us played few seniors this past year.  

It has been 6 seasons since the current staff was able to return a winning record.  Expect more of the same.


Have some faith in the kids! I'm thinking we go 2-3 in the OOC, then win 4 or 5 games in the PL. Crystal ball outlook:

CCSU - w
Delaware - w
Princeton - l
Villanova - l
HC - w
Fordham - toss up
Army - l
Bucknell - w
GT - w
Gate - toss up
Stains - w


I have faith in the kids, just not the adults.  On second though we will be lucky to win 4 games.  We will keep Frank around to win 2 to 3 games because Frank "deserves" another year.  He is holding the program hostage.
Newleopardfan2

I'd love to be even a bit optimistic, but on what basis? Coming from a 1-10 record, in the shadow of years of losing records, you can't just hope things will be a little different: you need a paradigm shift. Doing the same thing over and over, and hoping that the outcome will change... well, there's a word for that.
Andy

I'd be happy with a winning record in the PL, no easy feat with all the talented QBs in the top tier returning.  6-5 with that OOC and Frank will have earned an extension. Ridiculous schedule.
artanis

It's just a bit too early to throw Frank Tavani under the proverbial bus. I say this because the Patriot League was intended to be a different Division I league and part of the difference right after making sure athletes graduate is that we don't treat coaches as they do at the bigger schools. As long as Frank graduates his student athletes and does nothing to embarrass the school, he's probably safe, even at 1-10.

He and the other PL coaches (football) are now heading into the point where a determination can be made as to whether they deserve extensions. I see signs that Colgate, Lehigh and Fordham seem to know how to recruit, coach and develop the merit kids. I'd say we will know for sure beginning in the fifth year (for all but Gtown, Rams).

If nothing improves after this year (for Lafayette) it may be at least time to warm up that bus for Frank.
The Maroon

I could see 4-7.

That's the absolute best I can fathom. Schedule is brutal and obviously we have work to do.
flyfisher

The Maroon wrote:
I could see 4-7.

That's the absolute best I can fathom. Schedule is brutal and obviously we have work to do.


Agree 100%. Brutal schedule and lots to correct and i only see a few small improvements happening. Art makes a good and true point. PL is different. Grades are top  priority. As long as the boys keep LC at the top in grades and  play decent every few years they are happy. 150 win and conference champions the year before will carry them for a few years. Even the kids know it
Lafalum

flyfisher wrote:
The Maroon wrote:
I could see 4-7.

That's the absolute best I can fathom. Schedule is brutal and obviously we have work to do.


Agree 100%. Brutal schedule and lots to correct and i only see a few small improvements happening. Art makes a good and true point. PL is different. Grades are top  priority. As long as the boys keep LC at the top in grades and  play decent every few years they are happy. 150 win and conference champions the year before will carry them for a few years. Even the kids know it


We are making excuses for poor administration, virtually the whole program is a mess, a 32 percent winning percentage OOC and in conference. It's not the whole PL. Tough schedules, young coaches, lack of good assistants, cuts by the previous president, hard courses in school, injuries, am I missing any excuses!!
flyfisher

I think you missed my point. All goes back to culture and focus.  Sorry. While I like the schedule you have to admit it s pretty tough. Even Murphy at Harvard suggested we back off.
Franks Tanks

It goes back to a spineless AD, and subpar coaching in several spots.

They can't keep the players focused, or build the proper culture.  

The team has no on field identity.

Player development has been poor.  Our OC has failed to develop a QB in his entire tenure, and our OL stinks year after year.  Jury is still out on Art Link, but I am not impressed thus far.

Year after year our head coach says he wants to run the ball, but can't field a team that can do that. He fails over and over again at his self stated goals.

And our AD refuses to do anything to fix the situation.
flyfisher

I am not sure our AD is actually in charge. Raise money, marketing and such but beyond that I get the impression others pull the strings.
Jpao92

[quote="artanis:52175"]It's just a bit too early to throw Frank Tavani under the proverbial bus. I say this because the Patriot League was intended to be a different Division I league and part of the difference right after making sure athletes graduate is that we don't treat coaches as they do at the bigger schools. As long as Frank graduates his student athletes and does nothing to embarrass the school, he's probably safe, even at 1-10.

He and the other PL coaches (football) are now heading into the point where a determination can be made as to whether they deserve extensions. I see signs that Colgate, Lehigh and Fordham seem to know how to recruit, coach and develop the merit kids. I'd say we will know for sure beginning in the fifth year (for all but Gtown, Rams).

If nothing improves after this year (for Lafayette) it may be at least time to warm up that bus for Frank.[/quote]

Sorry but this line of reasoning is an "aim low" one.   Graduating the student athletes is the minimum that the coach should be doing.  While the PL is not like the Big 10 or even the CAA it isn't a league where coaches are tenured.   Coaches get fired in the Ivy League and in the PL.  A single bad season is one thing but the program is going backwards since the merit kids arrived.
Pard4Life

We should beat CCSU but it's a toss up since its the first game.

We will go winless the rest of our OOC: that's a given.  We are looking at 0-4 already.

We probably win 2-3 league games, so 4 wins is the ceiling folks. Worst case scenario is winless if the cards fall a certain way.

I think 2-9 is most likely.
Franks Tanks

In an old Chris Rock skit he makes fun of women for bragging that they take care of their kids.  Chris Rock retorts that one is supposed to take care of their kids, and doing so is not a point of distinction.

Coaches in the PL are expected to recruit good kids and good students.  They are expected to graduate student-athletes, and bring in kids that will fit in well within the campus community.  This is a bare minimum requirement.  Being competent at your job should also be a requirement for employment at LC.
NE Leopard

Pard4Life wrote:
We should beat CCSU but it's a toss up since its the first game.

We will go winless the rest of our OOC: that's a given.  We are looking at 0-4 already.

We probably win 2-3 league games, so 4 wins is the ceiling folks. Worst case scenario is winless if the cards fall a certain way.

I think 2-9 is most likely.


P4L

I'll stick with my 6-5 prediction for now, we have to be optimistic. If they finish 2-9, I will only be sad and disappointed. The kids deserve better than that based on the work they put in, will put in over the off-season and the talent they do have.

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