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Andy

Lafayette baseball

Picked for last place in pre-season poll. Sad, I remember when....

Patriot League Baseball Preseason Poll
1. Bucknell, 50 points (10 first-place votes)
2. Army, 37 (1)
3. Lehigh, 30 (1)
4. Navy, 29
5. Holy Cross, 19
6. Lafayette, 15
Leopard Loyalist

Agreed. I remember also. Is anybody giving scholarships for baseball (excluding Army and Navy of course)?
NewXbo

We are going to have to hit a lot better than we did last year if we intend to move up.


Softball kicking off its season this weekend in South Carolina. Roster loaded with Freshmen and Sophomores, looks like the beginning of a new regime.
Andy

Last in team BA, last in fielding %, 2nd to last in team ERA.  Like so many of our teams, nowhere to go but up.  
ed65

WE give baseball scholies.
Franks Tanks

Maybe Joe Maddon can pony up some dough for additional baseball scholarships given his giant contract with the Cubbies.  Joe does already donate a ton of money to youth programs in his hometown of Hazleton, PA however.
bethlehempard

Dave Giusti of New Canaan has signed with Lafayette. Does anybody know if he's related to the former MLB player?
bison137

Leopard Loyalist wrote:
Agreed. I remember also. Is anybody giving scholarships for baseball (excluding Army and Navy of course)?



Possibly Lehigh.   Definitely not Holy Cross or Bucknell.
Andy

Allowing a coach to recruit aggressively with need-based aid works, too.
RichH

LU does give some scholarships in baseball. Most are need aid. No clue how many. Certainly less than number for softball.
bison137

There is not much aid given in baseball.   Not even that much need-based aid converted to grants, as was common in football.


The most current figures for PL baseball expenses (excluding so-called "game day expenses", i.e. transportation, lodging, umpire fees etc for actual games), which are 2013 numbers:

Holy Cross  201,746
Bucknell     221,910
Lafayette    373,225
Lehigh        483,661


The above includes coaches' salaries, recruiting expenses, and athletic aid.
Andy

bison137 wrote:
There is not much aid given in baseball.   Not even that much need-based aid converted to grants, as was common in football.


The most current figures for PL baseball expenses (excluding so-called "game day expenses", i.e. transportation, lodging, umpire fees etc for actual games), which are 2013 numbers:

Holy Cross  201,746
Bucknell     221,910
Lafayette    373,225
Lehigh        483,661


The above includes coaches' salaries, recruiting expenses, and athletic aid.


Well, I'll leave it to insiders to tell us if LC is getting its money's worth.
NewXbo

The biggest problem with Patriot League baseball, and softball, is the starting date and ending date. Softball started 2/6, league games start 3/21 and end 5/2. Baseball starts 2/20, league games start 3/28 and end 4/26. Playoffs follow. Even though teams travel South for pre-league games, its still damn cold when the league games start.

The Patriot League and other Northeastern leagues should think about not participating in the NCAA tournament and form their own "Championship Tournament" by making softball and baseball "fall sports". Players would return in the Fall (like football or field hockey). Most of the athletes would have played throughout the summer in leagues in their area. (Just in the Easton area alone there is the Blue Mountain League and a league made up of college players.)

Various teams or leagues could hold Labor Day weekend tournaments. Play a couple of weeks of games against non- league opponets then begin league play. Following league games, each league has its championship tournament with the winners advancing to a championship event hosted by one of the leagues on a rotating basis.

Potential members would be America East, Ivy League, Metro Atlantic, NEC, Patriot, and maybe the Colonial.
bethlehempard

About five years ago we had nothing akin to real baseball weather the whole season. I don't know how such an idea would affect recruiting or two-sport athletes. The only one I recall from the diamond was Jeff Antolic, baseball and basketball and he passed on his final year of basketball.
I don't recall any playing football and baseball.
As a fan, I would prefer not to freeze. The Florida trips are very popular with the kids though as I know from a close family tie who played PL ball.
Andy

NewXbo wrote:
The biggest problem with Patriot League baseball, and softball, is the starting date and ending date. Softball started 2/6, league games start 3/21 and end 5/2. Baseball starts 2/20, league games start 3/28 and end 4/26. Playoffs follow. Even though teams travel South for pre-league games, its still damn cold when the league games start.

The Patriot League and other Northeastern leagues should think about not participating in the NCAA tournament and form their own "Championship Tournament" by making softball and baseball "fall sports". Players would return in the Fall (like football or field hockey). Most of the athletes would have played throughout the summer in leagues in their area. (Just in the Easton area alone there is the Blue Mountain League and a league made up of college players.)

Various teams or leagues could hold Labor Day weekend tournaments. Play a couple of weeks of games against non- league opponets then begin league play. Following league games, each league has its championship tournament with the winners advancing to a championship event hosted by one of the leagues on a rotating basis.

Potential members would be America East, Ivy League, Metro Atlantic, NEC, Patriot, and maybe the Colonial.


Yeah, but has nothing to due with our quality relative to the rest of the league.

With scholarships! - worst hitting, worst fielding and 2nd worst in ERA.
adcs2

"I don't recall any playing football and baseball"

Maybe Joe Maddon remembers someone
Franks Tanks

bethlehempard wrote:
About five years ago we had nothing akin to real baseball weather the whole season. I don't know how such an idea would affect recruiting or two-sport athletes. The only one I recall from the diamond was Jeff Antolic, baseball and basketball and he passed on his final year of basketball.
I don't recall any playing football and baseball.
As a fan, I would prefer not to freeze. The Florida trips are very popular with the kids though as I know from a close family tie who played PL ball.


Mike Palos played football and baseball, but had to give up baseball toward the end due to I believe Tommy John surgery.

Jeff Antolick ,like Joe Maddon, hails from Hazleton, PA.
ed65

NewXbo wrote:
The biggest problem with Patriot League baseball, and softball, is the starting date and ending date. Softball started 2/6, league games start 3/21 and end 5/2. Baseball starts 2/20, league games start 3/28 and end 4/26. Playoffs follow. Even though teams travel South for pre-league games, its still damn cold when the league games start.

The Patriot League and other Northeastern leagues should think about not participating in the NCAA tournament and form their own "Championship Tournament" by making softball and baseball "fall sports". Players would return in the Fall (like football or field hockey). Most of the athletes would have played throughout the summer in leagues in their area. (Just in the Easton area alone there is the Blue Mountain League and a league made up of college players.)


Various teams or leagues could hold Labor Day weekend tournaments. Play a couple of weeks of games against non- league opponents then begin league play. Following league games, each league has its championship tournament with the winners advancing to a championship event hosted by one of the leagues on a rotating basis.

Potential members would be America East, Ivy League, Metro Atlantic, NEC, Patriot, and maybe the Colonial.


What a great idea!
ed65

adcs2 wrote:
"I don't recall any playing football and baseball"

Maybe Joe Maddon remembers someone


George Hossenlopp: 1964-65.  Catcher - Baseball; QB - Football.
bison137

NewXbo wrote:
The biggest problem with Patriot League baseball, and softball, is the starting date and ending date. Softball started 2/6, league games start 3/21 and end 5/2. Baseball starts 2/20, league games start 3/28 and end 4/26. Playoffs follow. Even though teams travel South for pre-league games, its still damn cold when the league games start.

The Patriot League and other Northeastern leagues should think about not participating in the NCAA tournament and form their own "Championship Tournament" by making softball and baseball "fall sports". Players would return in the Fall (like football or field hockey). Most of the athletes would have played throughout the summer in leagues in their area. (Just in the Easton area alone there is the Blue Mountain League and a league made up of college players.)

Various teams or leagues could hold Labor Day weekend tournaments. Play a couple of weeks of games against non- league opponets then begin league play. Following league games, each league has its championship tournament with the winners advancing to a championship event hosted by one of the leagues on a rotating basis.

Potential members would be America East, Ivy League, Metro Atlantic, NEC, Patriot, and maybe the Colonial.



It's an interesting idea, but I think you'd have to petition the NCAA for some changes to the bylaws.   Two things are problematic:  (a) Unlike normal fall sports, teams cannot hold their first baseball/softball practice until September 1st;  and (b) the fall season must end no later than 45 days after the first practice, i.e. by October 15th if you start September 1st.
LC Fan

The late, great Dave Brown '66 excelled at both FB and BB.
Lafalum

Bill Von Roth '67 football and baseball
bethlehempard

Courtesy of a 1988 media guide (Baur on the cover):
HOF members Mike Gazella Class of 1923, Harold Bellis 1940.
A little before my time.
There were probably a lot before WW2.
Tony Giglio was a great baseball player but I don't think he ever played on the diamond for Lafayette.
NewXbo

Not looking good for baseball and softball this weekend. Both teams scheduled to play in N Carolina.

Softball in Greenville Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Friday in the 20s but sunny, Saturday and Sunday in the 50s but rain.

Baseball in Durham Friday & Saturday. In the upper 40s but rain.
flyfisher

There is absolutely no excuse we are last in baseball. We have way too much to offer to not be able to recruit baseball talent. I don't understand why we tolerate so many ov our teams being weak.
bethlehempard

Parker Hills is on the Johnny Bench Award watch list, one of 75. Past winners include Buster Posey.
ed65

Parker Hills is a good catcher and a very fine person.  He represents LC well.
flyfisher

flyfisher wrote:
There is absolutely no excuse we are last in baseball. We have way too much to offer to not be able to recruit baseball talent. I don't understand why we tolerate so many ov our teams being weak.


And now I can answer my own question. We may have a lot to offer but scholarships is not one of them. We have 1.5 athletic scholarships a year. We have no chance with that level of commitment.
ed65

The weekend was horrible for LC Baseball as they lost all 4 games to HC and only scored one run.  David Bednar pitched well in game 1 to no avail.
bison137

flyfisher wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
There is absolutely no excuse we are last in baseball. We have way too much to offer to not be able to recruit baseball talent. I don't understand why we tolerate so many ov our teams being weak.


And now I can answer my own question. We may have a lot to offer but scholarships is not one of them. We have 1.5 athletic scholarships a year. We have no chance with that level of commitment.



Bucknell and Holy Cross have zero baseball scholarships.   I believe Lehigh has a few, but not many.   If LC has 1.5 per year, there is no reason they can't win a number of PL titles in baseball.
Lafalum

bison137 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
There is absolutely no excuse we are last in baseball. We have way too much to offer to not be able to recruit baseball talent. I don't understand why we tolerate so many ov our teams being weak.


And now I can answer my own question. We may have a lot to offer but scholarships is not one of them. We have 1.5 athletic scholarships a year. We have no chance with that level of commitment.



Bucknell and Holy Cross have zero baseball scholarships.   I believe Lehigh has a few, but not many.   If LC has 1.5 per year, there is no reason they can't win a number of PL titles in baseball.


I hate to even bring this up but do you think our coach's illness hurt recruiting for a number of years?? Perhaps he wasn't able to get around as well as his peers??
RichH

Asked. LU has some schollies. My take is not as many merits as LC per year. Softball is fully funded.
NewXbo

RichH wrote:
Asked. LU  Softball is fully funded.


That explains why all 7 freshman softball players are from California.
RichH

Smile Cali,Fla and Colo well represented.
flyfisher

bison137 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
There is absolutely no excuse we are last in baseball. We have way too much to offer to not be able to recruit baseball talent. I don't understand why we tolerate so many ov our teams being weak.


And now I can answer my own question. We may have a lot to offer but scholarships is not one of them. We have 1.5 athletic scholarships a year. We have no chance with that level of commitment.



Bucknell and Holy Cross have zero baseball scholarships.   I believe Lehigh has a few, but not many.   If LC has 1.5 per year, there is no reason they can't win a number of PL titles in baseball.


How much other aid?
bison137

flyfisher wrote:
bison137 wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
There is absolutely no excuse we are last in baseball. We have way too much to offer to not be able to recruit baseball talent. I don't understand why we tolerate so many ov our teams being weak.


And now I can answer my own question. We may have a lot to offer but scholarships is not one of them. We have 1.5 athletic scholarships a year. We have no chance with that level of commitment.



Bucknell and Holy Cross have zero baseball scholarships.   I believe Lehigh has a few, but not many.   If LC has 1.5 per year, there is no reason they can't win a number of PL titles in baseball.


How much other aid?



In the case of Bucknell and Holy Cross, athletic aid from all sources is miniscule.     The government site unfortunately groups several items together in its expense category (salaries, athletic aid, recruiting funds, and a few small misc) but the general direction is clear.   If you assume salaries and the recruiting budget for each school is $140,000, then the 2013-14 athletic aid for each school would look like this:

Bucknell .     61,746
Holy Cross   81,910
Lafayette . 233,225
Lehigh . . . 343,661


If you don't like the 140K assumption, then add that back to each of the above numbers and then subtract out your own estimate for salaries, recruiting, and misc.    With LU and LC having scholarships, their current totals would presumably be higher than the above.
Leopard Loyalist

Congrats for sweeping Army today. Who would have predicted?
NewXbo

Another solid pitching performance by Bednar although he seemed to run out of gas in the 7th. Callahan came on in relief with 2 on and got a fly ball and groundout for the save.

Freshman SS Cohen got a key hit in the 7th to break open a 4-3 game in game 2.

Caught some of the second softball game between games. Army managed to get 5 runs in the first inning with only one hit leaving the infield. There was an error, a passed ball on a strikeout with the bases loaded, one fielded ball thrown to the wrong base, and a couple of grounders that rolled dead in the infield. I believe it ended on the mercy rule in the 5th.
ed65

Really good to see the sweep of Army.  It is the first time that has happened in quite a while.  Some good hitting in Game 2.
ed65

FLASH: Leopards sweep Army again today for a weekend sweep of the Black Knights.  When was the last time that happened.  12-5 in Game 2 after trailing 5-0.  Love it.

And the softball team beat Army as well.  

What a weekend for the baseball program!
Lafalum

The winter must have been brutal to our spring teams. An indoor facility is really needed!! Maybe an inflatable shelter??
Pard4Life

Lafalum wrote:
The winter must have been brutal to our spring teams. An indoor facility is really needed!! Maybe an inflatable shelter??


You are referring to our "slow" starts?
NewXbo

Lafalum wrote:
The winter must have been brutal to our spring teams. An indoor facility is really needed!! Maybe an inflatable shelter??


Why not build a permanent field house? It would be larger than a dome and could be used by more sports.
Lafalum

NewXbo wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
The winter must have been brutal to our spring teams. An indoor facility is really needed!! Maybe an inflatable shelter??


Why not build a permanent field house? It would be larger than a dome and could be used by more sports.


That would be my preference but I was thinking of something that could be done quickly and without a major expense outlay.
NewXbo

ed65 wrote:
FLASH: Leopards sweep Army again today for a weekend sweep of the Black Knights.  When was the last time that happened.  12-5 in Game 2 after trailing 5-0.  Love it.

And the softball team beat Army as well.  

What a weekend for the baseball program!


I left after the first BB game but it was an exciting finish. Up 8-4, top of seventh (7 inning game), we are up 8-4.  Army starts with back to back doubles, then there was a groundout, a throwing error, another double with the hitter being thrown out at third trying to stretch it. We bring in another pitcher who strikes out the next hitter for an 8-7 win.

In softball we took a 2-1 after two, Army scored 2 in the third, we tied it with a Gornick wind aided HR to left to tie it at 3 in the sixth.  Skurla leads off the 7th with a double, then a fly out. Marenelli singles but runner cannot score. SS Didio hits ground ball but Army unable to throw home. Pitcher Lindsey pitched a good game (after being let down by the infield yesterday), gave up only 1 hit over the last 4 innings. We need to play better D, officially SI scored 2 errors, I scored 4.  SS and 3B need to come get the ball and not wait for it.
flyfisher

Lafalum wrote:
NewXbo wrote:
Lafalum wrote:
The winter must have been brutal to our spring teams. An indoor facility is really needed!! Maybe an inflatable shelter??


Why not build a permanent field house? It would be larger than a dome and could be used by more sports.


That would be my preference but I was thinking of something that could be done quickly and without a major expense outlay.


Indoor facilities being built today are somewhat spartan. Most do not have AC or heating. Very few are inflatable. Obviously most are built for football use but used by all sports.
Andy

Big congrats to Baseball on the Army sweep. Doesn't get much better than that. Way to go!
Marooner

http://www.goleopards.com/facilities/morel-field-house.html
leopard88

80 x 96?  That wouldn't seem to leave room for much more than the batting tunnels and mounds.  You can't even get a full infield in there.
Andy

Junior P Dave Bednar threw 93 today at our MLB scout day. Heat!
NewXbo

Andy wrote:
Junior P Dave Bednar threw 93 today at our MLB scout day. Heat!


Andy, I think we can get you a job in Sports Information. Today's article includes the following, "where pitchers through live to hitters". Now, I'm just a dumb Dutchman but, we always had "pitchers throw live to hitters".
Andy

NewXbo wrote:
Andy wrote:
Junior P Dave Bednar threw 93 today at our MLB scout day. Heat!


Andy, I think we can get you a job in Sports Information. Today's article includes the following, "where pitchers through live to hitters". Now, I'm just a dumb Dutchman but, we always had "pitchers throw live to hitters".


Well, "through" is unfortunate, probably a result of being overworked and underpaid.  Aren't they just pointing out that the tryout wasn't just pitcher-catcher-Jugs Gun; But included simulated game conditions?  Hey 93 with movement could get him somewhere. You'd better get out to Metzger and report.

Won't see you Sat, son's wedding.  Make some noise for a change.

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