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laxdad

Latest 2017 Lacrosse Recruits from Laxpower.com

The 2017's are starting...


newpardslax

One additional from RecruitingRundown:  Dylan Tocco, M, St. Augustine Prep (N.J.)/ Dukes Lacrosse Club

As mentioned in a prior thread these commits are coming from some nationally recognized HS and club teams – Dukes LC, West Coast Starz, Lakers Future, Blackwolf, Leading Edge, SweetLax, etc.  Lafayette coaches’ recruiting is really starting to show up from the current sophs/frosh on the team helping with the late season offensive turn around to the next 3 years commit classes coming from top notch programs.

Hopefully the recent momentum from the current squad and the new blood coming in will keep a positive trajectory going in to next season and beyond.
Bogus Megapardus

newpardslax wrote:
Laker Future


I've always wondered why Mountain Lakes' HC Tim Flynn never became a college coach.
Bogus Megapardus

Re: Latest 2017 Lacrosse Recruits from Laxpower.com

laxdad wrote:
The 2017's are starting...

It's worth noting that a lot of 2017 recruits still have few (if any) stats with their HS teams.  These kids presently are HS sophomores.  They're being recruited principally on what the coaches see at camps and on their club teams.

Inside Lacrosse does a ranking of top 20 recruits.  While debatable, it does show that all of the 2017 "top 20" have made verbal commitments, almost all to the major programs.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/commitments-class-of-2017/29435

"Recruiting Roundup" supplements:

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/tag/Recruiting

The only "top 20" kid on the list not attached to a school is #24 Aidan Olmstead, but apparently he has given a verbal to Loyola:

http://recruitingrundown.com/2014...ad-corning-n-y-decides-on-loyola/

A substantial number of 2018 kids have given verbals as well.
leopard88

The lacrosse recruiting process has gotten totally out of control with the early offers and commitments.  I believe the coaches agree (in fact, I know, Dave Pietramala agrees).  However, none of them can afford to fall behind the curve, so they all have to play the game.
Bogus Megapardus

leopard88 wrote:
The lacrosse recruiting process has gotten totally out of control with the early offers and commitments.  I believe the coaches agree (in fact, I know, Dave Pietramala agrees).  However, none of them can afford to fall behind the curve, so they all have to play the game.


The problem for Pietramala, and for the Ivy and Patriot coaches, is that no one has any notion of whether these kids will have the grades and SATs they need.  They're recruiting high school freshmen, for chrissake.

Then again, it's all very fluid I suppose.  A kid can't "verbally commit" as a freshman then slack off in study and sport for four years and still expect to get in (unless it's one of those goober southern schools).

Think back to when you were a high school freshman.  As I recall, the college recruiting process went something like this:  Your friend Bob's older brother plays for Conshohocken College.  Bob idolizes his older brother and talks about him constantly, especially after Bob got to spend a weekend at the college with his brother.  Now you think you'd like to play for Conshohocken College too.  There's not much more to it at that age.
BillS

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
leopard88 wrote:
The lacrosse recruiting process has gotten totally out of control with the early offers and commitments.  I believe the coaches agree (in fact, I know, Dave Pietramala agrees).  However, none of them can afford to fall behind the curve, so they all have to play the game.


The problem for Pietramala, and for the Ivy and Patriot coaches, is that no one has any notion of whether these kids will have the grades and SATs they need.  They're recruiting high school freshmen, for chrissake.

Then again, it's all very fluid I suppose.  A kid can't "verbally commit" as a freshman then slack off in study and sport for four years and still expect to get in (unless it's one of those goober southern schools).

Think back to when you were a high school freshman.  As I recall, the college recruiting process went something like this:  Your friend Bob's older brother plays for Conshohocken College.  Bob idolizes his older brother and talks about him constantly, especially after Bob got to spend a weekend at the college with his brother.  Now you think you'd like to play for Conshohocken College too.  There's not much more to it at that age.
exactly both my son and daughter's accepted letters didn't arrive till the end of march. I know legacy plays a part but I don't know how much. Recruited Athletes I suppose are different.
bison137

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
leopard88 wrote:
The lacrosse recruiting process has gotten totally out of control with the early offers and commitments.  I believe the coaches agree (in fact, I know, Dave Pietramala agrees).  However, none of them can afford to fall behind the curve, so they all have to play the game.


The problem for Pietramala, and for the Ivy and Patriot coaches, is that no one has any notion of whether these kids will have the grades and SATs they need.  They're recruiting high school freshmen, for chrissake.




Agree.   Also no-one has any idea how good any of these kids will be in four years.   They may be good enough for the top programs in the country, and they might be D3-level.

In recent years my local HS has had two kids commit early in their sophomore years to ACC programs.   It turned out neither was quite good enough to earn playing time - but both would have been good PL players.    Had they been able to wait until their senior years to decide, they might have ended up in the PL and been starters.    A similar problem is when a player commits early to a mid-level program and then gets a lot better.   Will that player honor the commitment made in the fall of his sophomore year, or will he back out?   Bucknell had one a few years ago who decommitted and ended up playing for Johns Hopkins.   I imagine LC has had a few as well.
seenalot

They are all non-binding verbals (for both sides) until LOI day.  About as meaningful as saying "I'll take you to the prom our senior year" when said as a sophomore under the assumption that love is eternal and nothing changes.  

The process is moronic at this juncture - but that's the NCAA for you.
leopard88

seenalot wrote:
They are all non-binding verbals (for both sides) until LOI day.  About as meaningful as saying "I'll take you to the prom our senior year" when said as a sophomore under the assumption that love is eternal and nothing changes.  

The process is moronic at this juncture - but that's the NCAA for you.


That is technically true.  However, as a coach, you can't make a habit of withdrawing early offers without hurting your recruiting as a whole.

The kid can change his mind because he will usually only go through the process once.  Coaches have to ask multiple dates to the prom every year and have to stay loyal . . . at least most of the time.
Bogus Megapardus

"Verbal commits" are still entirely self-reported by the student, correct?  As far as I know, a college cannot "report" any commitment, verbal or otherwise, until after the LOI.  Or am I wrong about this?
ed65

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
leopard88 wrote:
The lacrosse recruiting process has gotten totally out of control with the early offers and commitments.  I believe the coaches agree (in fact, I know, Dave Pietramala agrees).  However, none of them can afford to fall behind the curve, so they all have to play the game.


The problem for Pietramala, and for the Ivy and Patriot coaches, is that no one has any notion of whether these kids will have the grades and SATs they need.  They're recruiting high school freshmen, for chrissake.

Then again, it's all very fluid I suppose.  A kid can't "verbally commit" as a freshman then slack off in study and sport for four years and still expect to get in (unless it's one of those goober southern schools).

Think back to when you were a high school freshman.  As I recall, the college recruiting process went something like this:  Your friend Bob's older brother plays for Conshohocken College.  Bob idolizes his older brother and talks about him constantly, especially after Bob got to spend a weekend at the college with his brother.  Now you think you'd like to play for Conshohocken College too.  There's not much more to it at that age.


And while he was at Conshocken (??) College, he had a few beers with his brother and met some pretty girls!
leopard88

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
"Verbal commits" are still entirely self-reported by the student, correct?  As far as I know, a college cannot "report" any commitment, verbal or otherwise, until after the LOI.  Or am I wrong about this?


I'm pretty sure that is correct.  Maryland couldn't say a word about Diamond Stone until he signed his financial aid agreement (in lieu of an LOI) yesterday.

Maybe I should have my 13 year old son start saying that he has verbally committed to Princeton . . . even though he stopped playing lacrosse when he was 8.   Very Happy
seenalot

Not sure the coaches are spending a ton of time worrying about recinding early verbal offers.  Think it tends to self select and sort itself out as kids get what they see as better offers and/or coaches find "better" kids.   Example would be the FO guy from CT that went to Delaware.   Did he go because he got more $, because UD has a better Geology Dept. or because he didn't relish idea of competing against the new FO kid who he heard got an offer for 1/3 of a ride vs a 1/4 ride?    

While unscientific i suspect that well north of 50% of these verbals end up going elsewhere - just like their prom dates will.
Bogus Megapardus

There's probably a group effect in play.  When a kid logs onto LaxPower and sees that a number of sophomores from high schools he knows have given a "verbal" to a particular school, it makes that school seem more of a safe decision.  The kid's decision probably grows some roots even if some of the others change their minds.
Pard4Life

I gave a verbal FU to Lehigh back in the day.
bethlehempard

From football, the best commitment story ever:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sp.../2008-02-06-reno-confession_n.htm
NewXbo

bethlehempard wrote:
From football, the best commitment story ever:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sp.../2008-02-06-reno-confession_n.htm


It certainly shows that Rivals 2 star rating is pretty much worthless. And probably shouldn't be used in Carney's and others evaluations.
bison137

seenalot wrote:
 

While unscientific i suspect that well north of 50% of these verbals end up going elsewhere - just like their prom dates will.



Based on my experience, I think that estimate is high.    A lot of the players either don't realize that they are unlikely to get much playing time or don't care.
seenalot

If you are so inclined to track where this years lax sophs. who have given a verbal actually end up going, have at it....  

PS - "Don't realize they will get much playing time" I agree with.  "Don't care" is absurd - who is competitive and goes through all this only to not care if they play or not.
Bogus Megapardus

bison137 wrote:
Based on my experience, I think that estimate is high.    A lot of the players either don't realize that they are unlikely to get much playing time or don't care.


It depends on the kid and the circumstances too.  It seems as if half of my adult life was spent coaching and volunteering in youth and club lacrosse, both boys and girls.  The superstars are evident early on - fifth and sixth grade.  They're typically multi-sport athletes who excel at everything they do.  The flip side are the kids whose parents force their kids into lacrosse thinking they'll get a "scholarship to Yale or Princeton."  Those kids are burnt out by the end of 10th grade and become potheads or occupy Wall Street types.

Some kids do become obsessed with lacrosse and those kids generally will play in college somewhere.  A surprising number choose DIII schools because they want to play from the get-go.  These kids are the first ones at practice, they volunteer to shag balls and they're always in the coach's ear about a play or a formation.  These kids are on LaxPower every day, they know all the top teams, where the players went to hish school and who the college coaches are.  They're not accustomed to sitting on the bench and they don't want to spend three years at Sacred Heart or Binghamton waiting their turn.  They'll get a chance to play at dozens of top-quality DIII schools with long lacrosse traditions and get a better education as well.  With these kids there's no ideation of playing as a professional, doing ESPN interviews or getting your likeness on a video game.

As an aside, the advent of scholarships at PL schools fills a space occupied only by Hopkins and Duke in the past.

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