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bethlehempard

League tournament

Colgate 7 Bucknell 2 at the half on CBS Sports Network.
Bogus Megapardus

Bucknell getting chippy and it's costing them.
Bogus Megapardus

Colgate vs. Army in the PL final - today at 1:00 PM on CBS Sports.  I think both teams make the NCAA tourney regardless of today's winner.  It's a lock if Army beats Notre Dame and Colgate beats Syracuse next weekend.

Also I don't think the Patriot League AQ will be one of the four PIGs.  It's close, though, primarily because other PL teams are forced to play Lafayette.  Pards are so bad we make the other teams suffer substantially just by having us on their schedule.  Sorry, anonymous message board haters, but those are the facts.
Bogus Megapardus

Congratulations to the Colgate Raiders - 2015 PL Champs.  Awesome win and terrific season.

Rant - if Virginia gets an at-large, after going o-fer in their conference and failing to make the ACC tourney, I'll eat a lacrosse ball.

Double Secret Rant - If Marquette gets an at-large over Navy, Brown or Army, I'll eat a lacrosse ball and the net.

And if Colgate has to play in one of the PIGs I'll never post about lacrosse again (which some of you might appreciate, of course).
Bogus Megapardus

Just for fun - a 1980 Pepsi commercial featuring an *ahem* "lacrosse game."

Wardrobe malfunction?  Nope.  Those shorts are pretty much what we wore back then.  Definitely had the old bucket helmets, too.

https://youtu.be/RkW7tx5-Th4



H/T to Hoya Suxa - http://www.collegecrosse.com/2015...psi-commercial-featuring-lacrosse
Pard4Life

Bogus Megapardus wrote:
Congratulations to the Colgate Raiders - 2015 PL Champs.  Awesome win and terrific season.

Rant - if Virginia gets an at-large, after going o-fer in their conference and failing to make the ACC tourney, I'll eat a lacrosse ball.

Double Secret Rant - If Marquette gets an at-large over Navy, Brown or Army, I'll eat a lacrosse ball and the net.

And if Colgate has to play in one of the PIGs I'll never post about lacrosse again (which some of you might appreciate, of course).


Don't think so on UVA. The Duke-UVA game a few weeks ago was viewed as a postseason elimination game, according to ACC commentators.
Bogus Megapardus

Only Patriot League lacrosse gives you this experience from its students:

https://youtu.be/O8LSMmNWA2o
Bogus Megapardus

Looks like I'll be eating a lacrosse ball.  Virginia is in the tournament despite losing every single in-conference game and failing to make its own conference tournament. Plus, Virginia is seeded and it gets a home game.  WTF???

Snubs: Ohio State, Harvard, Army, Stony Brook.  But - three Ivy in the tournament (Cornell, Brown, Yale).  Brown has to travel to Denver. *

Colgate will play at UNC Sunday, May 10 at 5:15 PM on ESPNU.  PIGs are Towson vs. High Point and Marist vs. Bryant.



* Enough to persuade Ivy to stop participating in post-season lacrosse during finals?
Pard4Life

Laughed at your earlier comment once I saw UVA SEEDED 7th in the bracket.

Wow... even the ACC commentators on radio weeks ago said UVA is not making the tournament.

And three Ivies?  One PL?  We are not an auto-bid conference! Don't know the power rankings but that just doesn't seem right on its face.
bison137

In fairness to UVA, they are ranked 8th in the laxpower computer model, 6th in RPI, 5th in SOS, and 6th in laxpower's tournament selection index (which is a model that attempts to measure the various metrics used for selection).

The PL this year had a lot of good teams but no great ones.   Since the lax tournament selection committee has always seemed to place a very large emphasis on RPI, it was tough to get an at-large PL bid with Navy 19th and Army 24th.    I think Army needed to beat Notre Dame to get in - and a 9-goal loss, at home, sealed the deal.
Bogus Megapardus

bison137 wrote:
In fairness to UVA, they are ranked 8th in the laxpower computer model, 6th in RPI, 5th in SOS, and 6th in laxpower's tournament selection index (which is a model that attempts to measure the various metrics used for selection).


All true, 137 and I've been following the laxpower numbers and the Massey numbers.  But there has to come a point where common sense takes over.  If there's ever been an at-large awarded in any sport to a team that came in dead last in its conference, lost every conference game and failed to make its conference tournament, I don't know what it is.  Mediocrity has been rewarded. 

This sets a dangerous precedent, IMHO.  ACC teams now know that they can coast through their conference games, rest their players, give bench players valuable PT, and not even bother with the time and effort of their conference tournament.  A sycophantic selection committee will toss them an at-large no matter what.  As good a Virginia might be, I'd much rather have seen a team like Stony Brook take that spot - or Army (especially if they had beaten Notre Dame).  Georgetown and Ohio State would have been better choices as well.
leopard88

I hadn't thought of it from that perspective before.  Virginia is obviously a very good team.  However, there should be some penalty for being the worst team in an extremely good conference.





Now we'll probably watch them match a run to Memorial Day weekend.
Bogus Megapardus

Stony Brook went 13-5 this season but they did not get an at-large.  They beat two top-20 teams, same as Virginia.  I hate that decision; I think the Seawolves should have been in.  But no matter . . .

If you go to laxpower and check out Stony Brook's schedule, you might come to the conclusion (as I have) that no matter how well Lafayette (or any other PL team) plays OOC in the near future, we will never draw a bid unless we win the Patriot League outright.

But throw in just one ACC win and we'd be there.  Confused
lafayettelacrosseguy

Bogus, I agree. One thing I found very frustrating this season is the talk about how great the ivy league is this year. Even though brown lost to bucknell and princeton lost to lehigh. Commentators and Inside Lacrosse kept reiterating how ivy league should atleast get 3 teams in maybe even four. Not saying that the PL should have gotten two teams in, however, army and colgate both played very well against cuse. Navy beat towson. Navy and Army's 3 ooc losses come at the expense of ACC schools. I can go on but don't have time to put in the research, but hopefully you get where I am going.
Many of the losses for the top 4 teams were in conference losses. When this is brought up commentators say, "Yeah tough conference theyre beating themselves up". Then the Ivy's who have a similar story "Great conference this year, there are so many great teams."

Just my 2 cents. Hopefully we see Albany knock off Cornell.
Bogus Megapardus

lafayettelacrosseguy wrote:
Bogus, I agree. One thing I found very frustrating this season is the talk about how great the ivy league is this year. Even though brown lost to bucknell and princeton lost to lehigh. Commentators and Inside Lacrosse kept reiterating how ivy league should atleast get 3 teams in maybe even four. Not saying that the PL should have gotten two teams in, however, army and colgate both played very well against cuse. Navy beat towson. Navy and Army's 3 ooc losses come at the expense of ACC schools. I can go on but don't have time to put in the research, but hopefully you get where I am going.
Many of the losses for the top 4 teams were in conference losses. When this is brought up commentators say, "Yeah tough conference theyre beating themselves up". Then the Ivy's who have a similar story "Great conference this year, there are so many great teams."

Just my 2 cents. Hopefully we see Albany knock off Cornell.


Right?  I totally agree, lafayettelacrosseguy.  Teams in the "good," competitive conferences always beat up on one another.  That includes Patriot and Ivy.  ACC teams are coached and geared to beat ACC teams, Ivy to beat Ivy, Patriot to beat Patriot, and so on.

I can't begrudge Ivy with three teams - perhaps Princeton should have been in there as well.  But Princeton lost to Lehigh so I guess that killed it for them.  Maybe losing to a PL team now has become the death knell in the eyes of the selection committee.  But he PL is the largest DI MLax conference and we all have to play one another.  Doesn't that count for something?  I guess not . . .

Anyhow, regardless of the details, the Patriot League always should have at least two teams in the tournament, IMHO.  It is ludicrous to deny the PL just because they "beat up on one another."


BTW - one of the commentators last weekend (I can't recall which game) referred to Patriot and Ivy as "the blueblood conferences" in a somewhat disparaging manner.  I say - F.U.  We invented college lacrosse.  The sport would be nowhere without us.  Evil or Very Mad
bethlehempard

The one online bookie taking bets on college lacrosse has dropped the sport. Bovada cited lack of enough fan interest to justify the cost of research to make lines.
That and maybe bettors didn't want to establish a financial relationship with a website in Latvia.

Also, speaking as the most casual of fans -- I go to a game or two per year and was lucky enough to see the Holy Cross victory -- will the Patriot League be able to stay competitive as more big schools pick up the sport? I know the game attracts our "sweet spot," well-off suburban kids, but the lure of the Big 10 is a big deal.
I saw Hopkins playing Ohio State on TV,  the match-up was almost quaint like old time football.
NewXbo

Lets face it, the big boys are going to take over lacrosse like they have most sports. Maybe we should field a bowling team but Nebraska seems to have that locked up. The Lehigh Valley is pretty strong in the quoits, maybe that's our niche.
newpardslax

While the big school lax program is enticing to some there are many kids who will focus on leagues like the PL b/c they can get the best education and still get playing time as a fresh or soph.  Also, with the advent of incremental scholarships in the PL new recruits may even get a better offer (or any offer) than they'd get at a fully funded ACC or B10 school that takes nearly 60 kids on the roster.  My son has several HS teammates who were top recruits in their grad year and have gone on to top D1 ACC/B10 programs but never see the field til their junior year.  With the explosion of the sport at the youth level there are so many more kids with the talent to play at the college level than there are spots to fill.
Bogus Megapardus

A major difference is that Big 10 schools can offer 85 football scholarships.  But like everyone else, they can offer only 12.7 lacrosse scholarships, no matter how big the roster.  A top high school lax kid living in the heart of any one of the four best recruiting areas in the country can go to Colgate or Holy Cross or Lafayette or Loyola, where his friends and family easily can come to every game and have a great time.  Not so with Denver or Michigan or Notre Dame or Ohio State.  And believe me, high school lacrosse still is all about friends and family.
Bogus Megapardus

In the NCAA PIGs, Marist beat Bryant 10-6 and Towson beat High Point 10-8.  Towson now will face #1 Notre Dame and Marist will face #2 Syracuse.

Plenty of upsets could take place this weekend, IMHO -  Hopkins over Virginia, Albany over Cornell and (of course) Colgate over UNC.  Extra bonus long-shot upset, Yale over Maryland.  The rest are chalk.
seenalot

Its a GREAT weekend of college lacrosse - my kids will stop watching only long enough to play in their own games.  To the marketing types at LC think about all the free brand exposure we get from an up and coming sport if we devote the right resources to supporting it.  

As Bogie points out the 12.7 limit from biggest D1 to smallest really levels the playing field for recruits and trust me they know a Patriot League education will get them a lot further than one from Nebraska.
Bogus Megapardus

If you want to see something special, turn on ESPNU right now and watch Albany's Lyle Thompson #4.
Bogus Megapardus

On the Albany-Cornell post game show, Quint Kessenich just said the Great Danes have "ACC quality athletes."  Confused

I love ya Quint, but no.  I'm sorry.  They have "Albany quality athletes."  It's not always all about the ACC, all the time, Quint.  SMH.

Congrats to the Great Danes on a terrific win.  And that lumbering, coast to coast score by 240 lb. Linebacker-turned-Goalie Blaze Riorden was a sight to behold.
Bogus Megapardus

Hopkins is destroying grossly-overrated Virginia at the half, 13-2.  The Cavaliers are proving why they had no business being in the tournament.


EDIT - Hopkins Hopkins 19, Virginia 7 Final.  Maybe I have to eat a lacrosse ball, but I still think Virginia had no business being in the NCAA Tournament.  Even with all unforced turnovers by Hopkins today, Virginia was completely out played and outclassed.

Gate vs. UNC at 5:15 on ESPNU.  I think Gate will win.
seenalot

UVA showed they had no business being in tourney let alone getting seeded and home game.  Colgate played well but not enough weapons to take down heels.  Had to turn sound off as the shilling for the ACC was getting to be a bit much.   Am a Denver and Albany fan from here out.  Should be fun.
leopard88

leopard88 wrote:
I hadn't thought of it from that perspective before.  Virginia is obviously a very good team.  However, there should be some penalty for being the worst team in an extremely good conference.





Now we'll probably watch them match a run to Memorial Day weekend.


. . . or not.  Razz

I wrote off Hopkins about a month ago, but obviously I was a bit premature.
Bogus Megapardus

seenalot wrote:
UVA showed they had no business being in tourney let alone getting seeded and home game.  Colgate played well but not enough weapons to take down heels.  Had to turn sound off as the shilling for the ACC was getting to be a bit much.   Am a Denver and Albany fan from here out.  Should be fun.


I'd love to see Albany turn Syracuse's self-anointed "New York's College Team" moniker on it's head.

Maybe a bet between college presidents - if Albany faces Syracuse in the finals (which can happen) and Albany wins, Albany gets dibs on the whole "New York's College Team" thing.
Bogus Megapardus

Two (out of four) games left in the NCAA tournament that are worth watching.  Albany vs. Notre Dame, Saturday, May 16 at 3:00 PM in Denver (ESPNU) and Hopkins vs. Syracuse, Sunday, May 16 at 12:00 PM in Annapolis (ESPN2).

Albany could advance here.  Albany has shown that they can win without dominating on faceoffs. They're better than most give them credit for, especially on defense.  Lyle Thompson is the offensive key for the Great Danes.  He's just amazing - Lyle is the best player in the tournament.

Hopkins trashed Virginia in the first round. Syracuse is a much better team than Virginia, but Syracuse struggled against UNC, Colgate, Albany and Duke.  That aside, Syracuse probably will take out Hopkins in close one but I think Albany will give Notre Dame a run, especially if ND is overconfident.

As for the other games - UNC vs. Maryland and Ohio State vs. Denver - you might as well go out and mow the lawn instead.  Final Four prediction: Albany vs. Denver and North Carolina vs. Syracuse.  Seriously, Albany could take the whole thing but they probably won't.  North Carolina will. But no lacrosse ball ingestion if I'm wrong.  Not even with a hollandaise glaze and a sriracha dip on the side.
Bogus Megapardus

So Hopkins edges Syracuse in a thriller and Denver wins the possession game over Ohio State.  Albany Great Danes hung with Notre Dame throughout (including the lightning delay) but even Lyle T. can't be at both ends of the field.  I was really rooting for Albany.  The surprise of the weekend was Maryland doubling up UNC.  I really though North Carolina would take it all.

Shows you what I know.

Now it's Notre Dame vs. Denver and Maryland vs. Hopkins.  Both games next Saturday at the Linc in Philly, with the final on Monday.  I'll throw rational predictions out the door (I've been wrong so far) and just go by gut.  I have no love for Maryland and I know next to nothing about the University of Denver (outside of its recent Tierney-led lax teams).  I tend to like Notre Dame in football (because I'm Catholic) but the Irish have no discernible lacrosse tradition (they were a club team until the 1980s, and a pretty bad one at that).  Hopkins is the lax tradition standard-bearer.

Even though Hopkins joined the Big 10 for lacrosse (a decision I hate), and Hopkins "cheats" by maintaining Division I lax while everything else on campus is D-III (shameful for a school its size, wealth and stature), I'll go with Hopkins for the win.
seenalot

Our house will be rooting for Trevor Baptiste and Denver but wont be disappointed if Hopkins or Terps win.  No love loss here for ND.
leopard88

Bogus Megapardus wrote:

Even though Hopkins joined the Big 10 for lacrosse (a decision I hate), and Hopkins "cheats" by maintaining Division I lax while everything else on campus is D-III (shameful for a school its size, wealth and stature), I'll go with Hopkins for the win.


I was disappointed by JHU's move to the B1G, but I completely understand it.  With limited at-large bids available, it made sense to secure another avenue to the tournament . . . and it paid off in the first year in the conference.

As for being in D-III in other sports, I agree that there is no reason for JHU to be in D-III.  It is bigger than Bucknell and Lehigh and has a $3.4B endowment (according to Wiki).  A school with that profile should be in D-I.

I know several people (including me) have mentioned in the past that JHU would be a very good fit in the PL.  However, we probably shouldn't hold our breath.
NewXbo

Not to change the topic but to build off it, has anyone heard anything about the new PL Commissioner? Seems like recruiting additional members would be a priority.
Bogus Megapardus

NewXbo wrote:
Not to change the topic but to build off it, has anyone heard anything about the new PL Commissioner? Seems like recruiting additional members would be a priority.


Femovich is out at the end of July, correct?  Tom Odjakjian ('76) still seems like the perfect candidate.

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