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bethlehempard

Lehigh game thread

Two turnovers. Can't run. Yeah. Some good plays and momentum lost. Deep handoffs that cost yards and the ball.
Some stellar defensive plays.
Nothing brings out the Pard in a fan like the presence of the Brown mess.
7-0 them. Dammitall. Will we now have a collapse or a punch back?
The weather is ideal.
Well there's the answer. Zero-yard run, Incompletion, sack, punt.
"If you can play ... well now is the time to start."
This commentary during the timeout is embarrassing.
65Pard

we only complete 64% of our passes, so let's keep running those zero yard gains.
The Maroon

Emotion kept us from getting blown out in the first 10 minutes, but reality is about to set in.
The Maroon

I think our uniforms look sharp.
65Pard

This Leopard team is built to use the pass to set up the run,   instead we use the opposite every game and every game it fails.  Dumb coaches stuck in the 70's
bethlehempard

The only thing as bad as the rushing attack is the music. Shut it down. This is a game not a concert.
65Pard

See what happens when you let Drew do his thing, FRANK???
The Maroon

God we suck.
edge29

POOR FUNDAMENTALS!!!!!
bethlehempard

Good luck. I've seen enough.
65Pard

Hey Frank, here's a bulletin for you....we have no running game.   By the way Drew completes 64% with no running game.  Does that say anything??

Time to let someone else rebuild the team.
The Maroon

Damn....31-7  before the half!!!

This is beyond sad.
BillS

The Maroon wrote:
Damn....31-7  before the half!!!

This is beyond sad.
Hopefully the game ends quickly and Frank waves Goodbye ☺
Jpao92

Better send this one to the "make Lafayette athletics more competitive committee." I noticed Captain Obvious wasn't on the committee by the way.  What a shame.

Psst, hey committee, Frank is not a good coach.
SixtyEighter

New uniforms = rearranging deck chairs on Titanic.
The Maroon

I can't remember this game EVER being essentially over this early.

And I've seen some bad ones.
bethlehempard

I'm happy for Andy.
edge29

Who is this Josh guy and why do we need him??   I'd rather see us pay the assistants a real wage.
bethlehempard

Who has the chart?
Hey we've tied the second half!
27 rushes. 67 yards. 2.5 average. Lots of wasted plays.
BillS

Well Frank didn't make any mention to his retirement in the post game interview so I guess it's up to the the AD and the President to give him his exit notice or watch this  nightmare continue well into the future UGH
Bogus Megapardus

I could not even watch this game.  

I watched Yale beat Harvard, 21-14, and I'm looking forward to attending tomorrow's basketball game with the First Lady, as her alma mater plays mine.

All my best to the players, especially the seniors - good luck too all of you in your future endeavors.  And best of luck to Frank Tavani, who has labored most of his adult life in the cause of Lafayette football.  You can step down with grace and dignity, and be honored an appreciated by the college, its alumni and its fans.
The Maroon

BillS wrote:
Well Frank didn't make any mention to his retirement in the post game interview so I guess it's up to the the AD and the President to give him his exit notice or watch this  nightmare continue well into the future UGH


And you KNOW the hope of seeing him announce his departure was the only thing that kept me tuned in the last 90 minutes!
PessimisticPard

SixtyEighter wrote:
New uniforms = rearranging deck chairs on Titanic.


Let's take the new uniforms and shove them. Our colors are Maroon and White. We're not attracting recruits with fancy uniforms and a 2-9 record.

Why don't we take the money and pay some assistants or put a dent in another scholarship.

Today's game was gross. Gross in the fact that it was embarrassing to watch, and watch FT walk off that field the same way he does after every loss. There was 12,000+ fans there, and it should be more than that every year for this great rivalry.

I will not give another dollar or support or endorsement of Lafayette until something changes. It is embarrassing that this is acceptable.
bethlehempard

Well put Bogus M ...

"All my best to the players, especially the seniors - good luck too all of you in your future endeavors.  And best of luck to Frank Tavani, who has labored most of his adult life in the cause of Lafayette football.  You can step down with grace and dignity, and be honored an appreciated by the college, its alumni and its fans."

Thanks Frank and I wish you well in retirement. It's time.
RichH

FT post game pretty clear he aint going anywhere. With vultures circling. "There's no dead meat here and that includes me".
No sarcasm. Truly sorry for Pards. This year was by far the most boring and quiet pre game week I can remember. No smack no zest.
The Maroon

PessimisticPard

The Maroon wrote:


From Greg Joyce's Twitter as well,

Also from Frank Tavani: "That stuff that people put out there, I got news for you: they owe me a lot of money."

WTF does that mean?
The Maroon

The Maroon

Pard4Life

The Maroon wrote:
I can't remember this game EVER being essentially over this early.

And I've seen some bad ones.


2011. Think a little harder.
Pard4Life

If McC had some gusto, he would end this charade. That was embarrassing.
Jpao92

I have told people this on this forum and nobody believes me.  Frank Tavani tells everyone he is a tenured faculty member.
Jpao92

Really, Frank's reaction and defiance is a slap in the face to the College.   Hey Allison, this guy just de facto told you to kiss is arse.
Pard4Life

Jpao92 wrote:
I have told people this on this forum and nobody believes me.  Frank Tavani tells everyone he is a tenured faculty member.


Yes that's true, not sure how that effects his coaching role though ie no longer coach but be on faculty
RichH

1st time wayching Pards in person.  The talent disparity much greater than I thought. Glaring. We both bring in about same level recruits. LU better with tmore top level recruits but real difference is the rest of the schollie kids. Seems to me ours progress yours mostly do not. FT staying particularly if staff does also does not bode well for the near future.
The Maroon

Jpao92 wrote:
I have told people this on this forum and nobody believes me.  Frank Tavani tells everyone he is a tenured faculty member.


It's hard to doubt you now. He's certainly acting like a guy that can't be touched.
flyfisher

BillS wrote:
Well Frank didn't make any mention to his retirement in the post game interview so I guess it's up to the the AD and the President to give him his exit notice or watch this  nightmare continue well into the future UGH


Frank told several kids this week and in the past weeks that he has tenure, his contract goes through next year, and he told the kids he will be paid one way or another. I don't see him resigning unless something is negotiated out. And the committee doesn't report until next April so I think he is here to stay, at least through next year. Got this from 3 parents and players today. He also told several juniors that he would be around for their senior year.

On another matter, how about the dive play with 14 seconds left and then he calls timeout with 10 seconds? Or 4th and 1 and we try to run wide with 9 in the box. I love our asst coaches but I wont miss Frank.

On a positive note, the professors have been very good producing a very respectable degree, the alumni are wonderful and supporting, and my son made some great friends. 3 out of 4 isn't bad.
flyfisher

PessimisticPard wrote:
The Maroon wrote:


From Greg Joyce's Twitter as well,

Also from Frank Tavani: "That stuff that people put out there, I got news for you: they owe me a lot of money."

WTF does that mean?


What that means is he has tenure and they have to pay him next year regardless. They could fire him but they have to pay him. See above post. On a separate note, should a coach be discussing his tenure with the kids? IDK. Just asking. Feel bad for you alumni.
The Maroon

Jpao92

Then Allison needs to feel some repercussions from this situation.  I for one call for a complete and total boycott from any donations to Lafayette College. Hey Frankie boy, betcha they don't owe you as much money as they stand to lose?  Did you factor that in or are you blinded by your infinite arrogance.
flyfisher

Been saying it all along. Major culture issue. I like Byerly, think she is doing a great job growing the college but even she said she doesn't have any experience wth D1 sports. At least she admits it. She probably doesn't see what was winning can bring.

Something to address next is Diorio. Why our AD reports to her I will never know. Today she was organizing a LGBT barricade at the stadium entrance. There were 3 straight lines of people and and you had to walk between the kids and they would high 5 you. They did not take well to the Trump hats. Is that what the lady over athletics should be doing before lafayette/ Lehigh game?
Jpao92

Worse yet, the Oreo has been named chair of the committee to make our athletics competitive again.
bethlehempard

In honor of FT I'm ordering bottle two of Sicilian red, Callabretta, at Ninety Acres in Somerset County.
Maybe three.
This situation is insane. I like how Brad Wilson and Carlson Blake are being very blunt.
We are wasting money on the field.
Recruiting. Developing. Play-calling. Game planning. It all f-n stinks.
flyfisher

Jpao92 wrote:
Worse yet, the Oreo has been named chair of the committee to make our athletics competitive again.


Biting my lip on this topic.
Jpao92

[quote="bethlehempard:57940"]In honor of FT I'm ordering bottle two of Sicilian red, Callabretta, at Ninety Acres in Somerset County.
Maybe three.
This situation is insane. I like how Brad Wilson and Carlson Blake are being very blunt.
We are wasting money on the field.
Recruiting. Developing. Play-calling. Game planning. It all f-n stinks.[/quote]

You there now?  I live five minutes from there.   Let's share our misery!!   By the way, Trump is in town.  Would not be shocked if some of his entourage is at Ninety Acres tonight.  I have seen Ivanka there.
flyfisher

as frustrated as we all are, I know LC will be good again one day. We have great infrastructure as far as facilities, some of the best and most supportive alumni I have ever met, and a good education. We/you get the right leadership in place and LC will be great again. I feel bad for many of you but stay the course. it will get better. maybe not with our current leadership but one day.

btw, my son says the professors are the best part of of college. they grade their own tests, papers, homework with no grad help. They meet you n weekends. For the most part they work their ass off.
Kpard

It is time. Clean house. Fresh start. Best facilities in the PL and the most unproductive staff. What an embarrassment. This is not a bump in the road. It is a down hill spiral. Dear God, does no one care?
NewXbo

"they owe me money", "I have tenure".  Somebody looking for a buyout?
Kpard

NewXbo wrote:
"they owe me money", "I have tenure".  Somebody looking for a buyout?


PAY IT! Have a nice day. Evil or Very Mad

BTW, you are what YOUR record is.
bethlehempard

Jpao92 wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
In honor of FT I'm ordering bottle two of Sicilian red, Callabretta, at Ninety Acres in Somerset County.
Maybe three.
This situation is insane. I like how Brad Wilson and Carlson Blake are being very blunt.
We are wasting money on the field.
Recruiting. Developing. Play-calling. Game planning. It all f-n stinks.


You there now?  I live five minutes from there.   Let's share our misery!!   By the way, Trump is in town.  Would not be shocked if some of his entourage is at Ninety Acres tonight.  I have seen Ivanka there.


I went in via Exit 24 to avoid the potential president-elect traffic jams. Cut through the back roads. Great food and drinks. We got there early for a drink and sat in the main dining area. The "bring me food" concept is a little too active for me.
I'm not usually into fruity drinks but the pear Collins was great.

There are a lot of great places to visit around there. The Buck garden in particular. This is what I'm thinking about on Lehigh weekend.  

I'm out and just got home to find an "Invest in Lafayette Athletics" mailing.
I'd rather invest in Enron.

**also odd the GPS took me to the Gladstone post office when I put in Natirar's address. The guy at Gladstone Liquors gave me directions.

I may look at the DVR soon what the hell.
Jpao92

What kind of person wants to make himself HATED by the very people who are supposed to root for his players.   Does he realize that he is making himself the center of attention to the detriment of his team?
Andy

So many important revelations about the dept shared here this year - thanks guys. Another thing revealed today, but by his own words - The Selfish Frank Tavani. So ashamed of myself for supporting this guy.

'I'm gonna stay around and ruin your sr year, too.' Thanks, Coach.

Some amazing catches (yes, and a drop) by Mrazek. What does he get 4 or 5 touches a game? What a star that kid wouldve been with competent coaches. Like at Lehigh.

That fourth down run wide was beyond comprehension.
ed65

Just got home from the long drive back from Easton and a 37 minute delay on the Tappan Zee Bridge.  I had a number of pleasant conversations with parents and players after the game.  Congratulated Drew Reed on four good years including a wonderful win over LU in Bethlehem four years ago.  And high fived him on the catch on the 2 point conversion in the fourth quarter.  Sat next to Wadworth's Mom in the 2nd half - he had a very good game.

Having found some positives to talk about, I must admit I am beyond disgusted with the state of our athletic program.  Football has been disaster the last two seasons and even the Game 150 team had a losing record.  When I try to be objective, it was clear today that LU recruits faster, more athletic players and finds some very good o-linemen.  The LU QB is outstanding and he just killed us today.  The tackling of the defense was terrible today, as bad as I have seen it for a long time.

I plan to make it clear to everyone in the Development Dept that I have gone public (as have others) in recommending that no one contribute an additional penny until the Committee comes out with its recommendations.  And if the recommendations are not focused on WINNING, having a NEW AD report to Byerly, paying the assistants better and holding coaches accountable, I will continue to recommend that alums who care about sports withhold their donations.  I certainly expect the report to recommend more money for athletics among other things, wherever it might come from.

I definitely won't sleep well tonight, and play to call Spang on Monday and give her an earful.
Jpao92

I agree, not a penny.   But I would add this, given Frank's
disgusting and arrogant comments today there should particularly be no money unless he is immediately relieved of his duties.   He said today that they could not fire him because the College owed him too much money.  Think about this Lafayette, how much money is keeping him there going to cost you?
flyfisher

I

NewXbo wrote:
"they owe me money", "I have tenure".  Somebody looking for a buyout?


Heard something different from 2 players after the game. He said the season was all on him and he would be better next year and if it wasn't him then he would support the next person.  Take it for what it is worth.  Probably just talk after a game and before he could think.
Franks Tanks

It is all on Frank, but it won't get better as long as he is here. Just not possible.  No leadership, he doesn't recruit and is incompetent as a coach.  He can't win and won't win.
BillS

Franks Tanks wrote:
It is all on Frank, but it won't get better as long as he is here. Just not possible.  No leadership, he doesn't recruit and is incompetent as a coach.  He can't win and won't win.
Very sad times for this great little school on the hill! Franks arrogance is disturbing and he is showing very little class! It's unacceptable in my opinion if there isn't a change in leadership!
edge29

He's under .500 for his career but somehow next year is going to be different. Nope. I'll beat this dead horse...Frank's winning days were ONLY the result of having talented assistants running the show.  Same coaches next year = same results. The end.
ed65

flyfisher wrote:
Been saying it all along. Major culture issue. I like Byerly, think she is doing a great job growing the college but even she said she doesn't have any experience wth D1 sports. At least she admits it. She probably doesn't see what was winning can bring.

Something to address next is Diorio. Why our AD reports to her I will never know. Today she was organizing a LGBT barricade at the stadium entrance. There were 3 straight lines of people and and you had to walk between the kids and they would high 5 you. They did not take well to the Trump hats. Is that what the lady over athletics should be doing before lafayette/ Lehigh game?


When I suggested to Alison that athletics report to her just before she started the job four years ago, she said she would be too busy and felt it could be done by Diorio and Bruce!
ed65

Fly: thanks for reminding me about the "three straight lines" at the entrance to the Stadium.  What was that about?  Were any of those people students.  They were handing out pieces of paper but I did not take one.
flyfisher

ed65 wrote:
Fly: thanks for reeminding me about the "three straight lines" at the entrance to the Stadium.  What was that about?  Were any of those people students.  They were handing out pieces of paper but I did not take one.


They were promoting diversity. They say the school does not have enough diversity. I don't know how we could be more diverse. And promoting the BLM, and LGBT movement as well. We have several in the gay and minority community running the college(which is totally fine). How many more do we need? Is there a quota or something we need to hit? And on the day of the biggest sporting day the of the year Diorio is out there promoting this message. And then I get two emails this from Byerly and Diorio telling me to be tolerant of others and to lecture my kid on being diverse and to treat everyone well, like we didn't already know that and believe that. I must admit we will not miss the lafayette agenda being shoved in our face. And then they offer counseling and cancel some classes due to the election results.  And then we have gay faculty that get close to a student and end up marrying them later. I always thought Lafayette was very diverse.
Andy

No wonder we had to bring back McCutcheon; what competent, enthusiastic, self-respecting person would put themselves in this disgusting, non-sensical scenario?  I have to believe, harking back to Weiss's arguments with Jack and others, that this was all his plan.  Byerly is just realizing he set her up for failure. What a mess.
Lafalum

ed65 wrote:


When I suggested to Alison that athletics report to her just before she started the job four years ago, she said she would be too busy and felt it could be done by Diorio and Bruce!


Do you think she realizes that D'orio has too much on her plate and is not getting results. Second, does she realizes she has to delegate to a strong AD. She certainly is not filling out Lafayette tax returns but has someone competent doing it. Hire competency and delegate, that is the secret to good management. I support that and I support the study.....if it recommends and gets good outcomes. It is also why I was interested in having alumni on the committee who are not dependent on others on the committee for their job.
bethlehempard

Massey ratings Nov. 20:

1-NDSU
18-Villanova*
20-Lehigh*
29-Princeton*
42-Fordham*
53-Colgate*
64-Delaware*
78-Bucknell*
86-Holy Cross*
87-Incarnate Word
92-Columbia
96-Northwestern Louisiana
97-Lafayette
98-Elon
102-Georgetown*
104-Central Connecticut*
125th and last, Arkansas-Pine Bluff

Army* FBS rating unavailable

*2016 opponents

Watching the recording now. The inability to block and tackle is remarkable.
The failure of the slow-to-develop plays is all too predictable.
Zeus

[quote="flyfisher:57986"][quote="ed65:57981"]Fly: thanks for reeminding me about the "three straight lines" at the entrance to the Stadium.  What was that about?  Were any of those people students.  They were handing out pieces of paper but I did not take one.[/quote]

They were promoting diversity. They say the school does not have enough diversity. I don't know how we could be more diverse. And promoting the BLM, and LGBT movement as well. We have several in the gay and minority community running the college(which is totally fine). How many more do we need? Is there a quota or something we need to hit? And on the day of the biggest sporting day the of the year Diorio is out there promoting this message. And then I get two emails this from Byerly and Diorio telling me to be tolerant of others and to lecture my kid on being diverse and to treat everyone well, like we didn't already know that and believe that. I must admit we will not miss the lafayette agenda being shoved in our face. And then they offer counseling and cancel some classes due to the election results.  And then we have gay faculty that get close to a student and end up marrying them later. I always thought Lafayette was very diverse.[/quote]

Walked by a post game tailgate on a road after the game and people were talking about the " if you can play" 4 minute commercial. They were confused as to what it had to do with the game. Didn't hear the whole conversation, though.

It was not a coincidence it was played in the middle of the first quarter, when the most eyes were on the game.
bethlehempard

Lehigh will play at UNH next week.
Pards Rule

bethlehempard wrote:
The only thing as bad as the rushing attack is the music. Shut it down. This is a game not a concert.


Its a damn disgrace. And EVERY pause has to be filled with it?!?
Pards Rule

PessimisticPard wrote:
SixtyEighter wrote:
New uniforms = rearranging deck chairs on Titanic.


Let's take the new uniforms and shove them. Our colors are Maroon and White. We're not attracting recruits with fancy uniforms and a 2-9 record.

Why don't we take the money and pay some assistants or put a dent in another scholarship.

Today's game was gross. Gross in the fact that it was embarrassing to watch, and watch FT walk off that field the same way he does after every loss. There was 12,000+ fans there, and it should be more than that every year for this great rivalry.

I will not give another dollar or support or endorsement of Lafayette until something changes. It is embarrassing that this is acceptable.


I was in Section SEC row LL and there were SWATHS of empty seats around me the whole game!
Pards Rule

RichH wrote:
FT post game pretty clear he aint going anywhere. With vultures circling. "There's no dead meat here and that includes me".
No sarcasm. Truly sorry for Pards. This year was by far the most boring and quiet pre game week I can remember. No smack no zest.


What happened to the tailgating on March Field? There were no cars allowed on it. The only tailgating on campus - besides the very quiet and subdued Markle decks - was a batch of kids behind DKE. And I saw no Lehigh kids on campus before the game. Were they dropped off at Fisher and told to go directly into stadium or what?! Years past the busses would drop them off on Sullivan Trail and they would stream onto March literally by the busload.
Pards Rule

The Maroon wrote:


Couldnt believe that call either!!!
Andy

An astute Lehigh fan's comment on AGS in response to a string of posts referencing the demonstration at the main gate:

"According to the LC board, the VP of Campus Life (who the AD happens to directly report to) organized the demonstration. If that is the case, then the current state of athletics on College Hill should come as no surprise. If the goal of LC athletics is to be a means of promoting a political platform rather than to compete and advance the stature of the college through success on the playing field, Lafayette will continue to suffer through disappointing losing seasons.

The apathy and lack of action concerning their downward spiral is truly a shame for the Leopards' fans. They are a dedicated bunch, as evidenced by their top-rate facilities and impressive Rivalry week contributions. It's telling that 152 wasn't even remotely close to a sellout despite a 70 degree sunny day in November. They pulled in over 15,900 back in 2008 on the most miserable day out of the ten I've attended--the wind chill was in the teens."
Pards Rule

Andy wrote:
An astute Lehigh fan's comment on AGS in response to a string of posts referencing the demonstration at the main gate:

"According to the LC board, the VP of Campus Life (who the AD happens to directly report to) organized the demonstration. If that is the case, then the current state of athletics on College Hill should come as no surprise. If the goal of LC athletics is to be a means of promoting a political platform rather than to compete and advance the stature of the college through success on the playing field, Lafayette will continue to suffer through disappointing losing seasons.

The apathy and lack of action concerning their downward spiral is truly a shame for the Leopards' fans. They are a dedicated bunch, as evidenced by their top-rate facilities and impressive Rivalry week contributions. It's telling that 152 wasn't even remotely close to a sellout despite a 70 degree sunny day in November. They pulled in over 15,900 back in 2008 on the most miserable day out of the ten I've attended--the wind chill was in the teens."


What year was the last year for the four temporary stands in the end zones (2 on each end) which would boost the attendance on a sellout at Fisher to 17K+?? Was it when they revamped the stadium and built Bourger in 2006?  Somehow I believe it was before that.
NewXbo

Andy wrote:
An astute Lehigh fan's comment on AGS in response to a string of posts referencing the demonstration at the main gate:

"According to the LC board, the VP of Campus Life (who the AD happens to directly report to) organized the demonstration. If that is the case, then the current state of athletics on College Hill should come as no surprise. If the goal of LC athletics is to be a means of promoting a political platform rather than to compete and advance the stature of the college through success on the playing field, Lafayette will continue to suffer through disappointing losing seasons.

The apathy and lack of action concerning their downward spiral is truly a shame for the Leopards' fans. They are a dedicated bunch, as evidenced by their top-rate facilities and impressive Rivalry week contributions. It's telling that 152 wasn't even remotely close to a sellout despite a 70 degree sunny day in November. They pulled in over 15,900 back in 2008 on the most miserable day out of the ten I've attended--the wind chill was in the teens."



Based on the number of police officers killed while sitting in their cars over the weekend, I would expect Ms Diorio to organize a Police Lives Matter protest march tomorrow.
Zeus

Due to the mention of the emails/open letters/social media posts/demonstration at the football game... it's clear the college and the departments/staff are still upset/in denial of the election.

Apparently the term " acceptance" is subjective.
leopard88

Pards Rule wrote:
Andy wrote:
An astute Lehigh fan's comment on AGS in response to a string of posts referencing the demonstration at the main gate:

"According to the LC board, the VP of Campus Life (who the AD happens to directly report to) organized the demonstration. If that is the case, then the current state of athletics on College Hill should come as no surprise. If the goal of LC athletics is to be a means of promoting a political platform rather than to compete and advance the stature of the college through success on the playing field, Lafayette will continue to suffer through disappointing losing seasons.

The apathy and lack of action concerning their downward spiral is truly a shame for the Leopards' fans. They are a dedicated bunch, as evidenced by their top-rate facilities and impressive Rivalry week contributions. It's telling that 152 wasn't even remotely close to a sellout despite a 70 degree sunny day in November. They pulled in over 15,900 back in 2008 on the most miserable day out of the ten I've attended--the wind chill was in the teens."


What year was the last year for the four temporary stands in the end zones (2 on each end) which would boost the attendance on a sellout at Fisher to 17K+?? Was it when they revamped the stadium and built Bourger in 2006?  Somehow I believe it was before that.


If memory serves me, this picture is from the 2006 Lehigh game (or may 2008 or 2010 since the Bourger Football House is finished).  In any case, it's after the renovation.

ed65

Andy wrote:
An astute Lehigh fan's comment on AGS in response to a string of posts referencing the demonstration at the main gate:

"According to the LC board, the VP of Campus Life (who the AD happens to directly report to) organized the demonstration. If that is the case, then the current state of athletics on College Hill should come as no surprise. If the goal of LC athletics is to be a means of promoting a political platform rather than to compete and advance the stature of the college through success on the playing field, Lafayette will continue to suffer through disappointing losing seasons.

The apathy and lack of action concerning their downward spiral is truly a shame for the Leopards' fans. They are a dedicated bunch, as evidenced by their top-rate facilities and impressive Rivalry week contributions. It's telling that 152 wasn't even remotely close to a sellout despite a 70 degree sunny day in November. They pulled in over 15,900 back in 2008 on the most miserable day out of the ten I've attended--the wind chill was in the teens."


Kudos to the LU fan who learned that Diorio organized the "protest" before the game.  I am shocked and outraged at that.  Diorio is out of control IMHO.  

The overwhelming majority of  people who attended Rivalry 152 were there to see a football game, not to deal with the Diversity Agenda.  I couldn't care less about diversity when I am headed to a LC Athletic Event.  I walked through the phalanx of "protesters" although most people walked around them.  But I did not stop to talk to any of them.  This misbegotten attempt to use athletic events to protest is beyond the pale IMHO and is a sure fire way to turn off alums and LC Athletics fans.  The poor performance of the teams is enough of a turnoff, and now this.  I  just can't believe how far we have sunk in pandering the the diversity police.  

Please don't get me wrong: I think diversity is important and I support much of it.  For example, the Posse Program has brought a large group of minority students to LC who never would have attended without it.  Many of those students have made a major contribution to the College.
Pards Rule

leopard88 wrote:
Pards Rule wrote:
Andy wrote:
An astute Lehigh fan's comment on AGS in response to a string of posts referencing the demonstration at the main gate:

"According to the LC board, the VP of Campus Life (who the AD happens to directly report to) organized the demonstration. If that is the case, then the current state of athletics on College Hill should come as no surprise. If the goal of LC athletics is to be a means of promoting a political platform rather than to compete and advance the stature of the college through success on the playing field, Lafayette will continue to suffer through disappointing losing seasons.

The apathy and lack of action concerning their downward spiral is truly a shame for the Leopards' fans. They are a dedicated bunch, as evidenced by their top-rate facilities and impressive Rivalry week contributions. It's telling that 152 wasn't even remotely close to a sellout despite a 70 degree sunny day in November. They pulled in over 15,900 back in 2008 on the most miserable day out of the ten I've attended--the wind chill was in the teens."


What year was the last year for the four temporary stands in the end zones (2 on each end) which would boost the attendance on a sellout at Fisher to 17K+?? Was it when they revamped the stadium and built Bourger in 2006?  Somehow I believe it was before that.


If memory serves me, this picture is from the 2006 Lehigh game (or may 2008 or 2010 since the Bourger Football House is finished).  In any case, it's after the renovation.




L88, I assumed as much as I looked at the layout during the game - no way to have the 2 temp stands erected after Bourger. It was probably early 00s. Interesting query though and perhaps we can determine via photo evidence.
leopard88

There are temporary bleachers in front of Kirby in this picture.  I don't remember seeing them on Saturday.
Pard4Life

There were temps in 2008 and 2010 and I can't recall 2012.
flyfisher

I posted it on here after the game on Saturday about the demonstration at the front gate. I spoke briefly with Dioreo who organized the event. She was at the front of the line leading the charge. And she is the lady over the Consulting team and committee that is going to fix our Athletics. Forgive me if I don't feel good about the outcome. And to make matters worse she has Byerly's ear. that was not the time or place for the person over athletics to organize a diversity demonstration.
ed65

Amen fly.  I couldn't agree more.
Jpao92

[quote="flyfisher:58043"]I posted it on here after the game on Saturday about the demonstration at the front gate. I spoke with the Dioreo who organized the event. She was at the front of the line leading the charge. And she is the lady over the Consulting team and committee this going to fix our Athletics. Forgive me if I don't feel good about the outcome. And to make matters worse she has Byerly's ear. that was not the time or place for the person over athletics to organize a diversity demonstration.[/quote]

Then let the cost of that voice in her ear be felt!! Make it loud and clear to Allison that there will be no money until the College puts a stop the Diorio show.
Franks Tanks

Agree on the protest.  

With the committee I understand her presence  She is in charge of that area, and it was my understanding that the consultant will be delivering the report directly to Byerly.  The committee is there to provide feedback and information to the consultant, but the consultant delivers the report.  At least that is my understanding.  

It is very likely the consultant will be very critical of her management, and this will be crystal clear once discussions take place
The Maroon

I guess my question would be are people pissed beyond this forum?
There are knowledgeable fans and some contributing alumni here,  but our thoughts are dismissed as moaning of a few anonymous curmudgeons and emotional parents. The fight needs to be bigger.  
To me to the issue is straightforward: An employee is not being held accountable. 3-19 is in no way acceptable at this level, particularly in years 16 and 17.  Furthermore, he's laughing in the face of the idea that he should be. The diversity protest is notwithstanding but tertiary,
Those taking solace in our underclassmen need to take note: We've been singing this same tune for years.  Remember how bright the future looked 3 seasons ago when a freshman qb turned the season around and we were going forward on equal footing in terms of scholarships? This year we were supposed to reap the benefit of all the paying experience from last year.   Our standards have fallen to the point where we're happy to play even with teams a couple of quarters.  We aren't a posession away,  we aren't close to breaking through!
I keep thinking it can't get worse.  It does.
WVPard

TM - from my old-guy teammates, the overall attitude is one of dismay.  Even "our" FOLF leader has stopped reaching out to discuss our era's sponsorship of a scholarship.

As others have convinced me to be optimistic over the consultation, I will do so.  But this is the first year I did not contribute to the pre-Lehigh fund drive and I am seriously considering breaking my New Year's Eve tradition of debit carding some funds to the school.

I am not close enough to judge FT's performance.  He was a great recruiter and very energetic.  That is how I choose to remember him.  However, as I've commented/complained before, the overall state of athletics causes me greater concern.  I find nothing funny about being the loveable loser.

More importantly, thanks to the innumerable sports channels I get on TV, there are way too many opportunities for the nation to witness LC getting repeatedly blown out in (pretty much) all sports.  The tickers always run, and we are always on them. If athletics isn't a meaningful part of the student experience, why have them?  

Please understand that I am not advocating disbandment.  I am strongly advocating the commitment to at least competitiveness, if not outright winning.  I cannot see how, for even the least sports minded member of the LC Community, that repeated losing is a positive.
flyfisher

leopard88 wrote:
There are temporary bleachers in front of Kirby in this picture.  I don't remember seeing them on Saturday.


Correct. They were not there. I can 't believe we could not sell out this game. And to make it worse, the whole left side of the stadium on our side was all brown.

Pardon the IPad spelling
Zeus

not sure why someone is posting the program is on equal footing scholarships wise.
It's been posted on here that zero dollars from 150 went to athletics, and everything lehigh made went to athletics.
You have people having demonstrations at gates at the Lehigh game.
You have departments in disarray over an election for no reason at all.

Attitude is everything.
WVPard

flyfisher wrote:
leopard88 wrote:
There are temporary bleachers in front of Kirby in this picture.  I don't remember seeing them on Saturday.


Correct. They were not there. I can 't believe we could not sell out this game. And to make it worse, the whole left she demands f our side with of the stadium was all brown.


FF - WOW.  That is terrible.  Pretty much unheard of.  I lived in Palmer Twp while in grad school, was on campus often and at all the Rivalry Games.  I cannot remember a non-sellout, nor any brown pants on the home side.
Pardsfriend

Main gate protest

flyfisher wrote:
I posted it on here after the game on Saturday about the demonstration at the front gate. I spoke briefly with Dioreo who organized the event. She was at the front of the line leading the charge. And she is the lady over the Consulting team and committee that is going to fix our Athletics. Forgive me if I don't feel good about the outcome. And to make matters worse she has Byerly's ear. that was not the time or place for the person over athletics to organize a diversity demonstration.


 I don't always share your opinion FF, but in this instance, you are absolutely on the mark.

 That demonstration was permitted and administered in poor taste by the college.
bethlehempard

Always use the gate at the other end of the parking deck. No line, no demonstrations.
The game is the show. Nothing else.
If FT is back I won't attend a home game. We have reached the level of lunacy and there is little hope for next year.
How many of our guys in FB or BB could start for Lehigh?
pardfan

Re: Main gate protest

Pardsfriend wrote:
flyfisher wrote:
I posted it on here after the game on Saturday about the demonstration at the front gate. I spoke briefly with Dioreo who organized the event. She was at the front of the line leading the charge. And she is the lady over the Consulting team and committee that is going to fix our Athletics. Forgive me if I don't feel good about the outcome. And to make matters worse she has Byerly's ear. that was not the time or place for the person over athletics to organize a diversity demonstration.


 I don't always share your opinion FF, but in this instance, you are absolutely on the mark.

 That demonstration was permitted and administered in poor taste by the college.


Present-day administrators do not want to be late to any diversity parades and, if they can lead them, all the better.  That's the climate.
pardfan

bethlehempard wrote:
Always use the gate at the other end of the parking deck. No line, no demonstrations.
The game is the show. Nothing else.
If FT is back I won't attend a home game. We have reached the level of lunacy and there is little hope for next year.
How many of our guys in FB or BB could start for Lehigh?


BB--zippo       FB--They'd find some place for Powe, I think.  IMO we have a better punter
Franks Tanks

pardfan wrote:
bethlehempard wrote:
Always use the gate at the other end of the parking deck. No line, no demonstrations.
The game is the show. Nothing else.
If FT is back I won't attend a home game. We have reached the level of lunacy and there is little hope for next year.
How many of our guys in FB or BB could start for Lehigh?


BB--zippo       FB--They'd find some place for Powe, I think.  IMO we have a better punter

Talent, and player development, is certainly better, but coaching is the real gap. We look like the damm keystone cops trying to block, cover and tackle.
ed65

WVPard wrote:
TM - from my old-guy teammates, the overall attitude is one of dismay.  Even "our" FOLF leader has stopped reaching out to discuss our era's sponsorship of a scholarship.

As others have convinced me to be optimistic over the consultation, I will do so.  But this is the first year I did not contribute to the pre-Lehigh fund drive and I am seriously considering breaking my New Year's Eve tradition of debit carding some funds to the school.

I am not close enough to judge FT's performance.  He was a great recruiter and very energetic.  That is how I choose to remember him.  However, as I've commented/complained before, the overall state of athletics causes me greater concern.  I find nothing funny about being the loveable loser.

More importantly, thanks to the innumerable sports channels I get on TV, there are way too many opportunities for the nation to witness LC getting repeatedly blown out in (pretty much) all sports.  The tickers always run, and we are always on them. If athletics isn't a meaningful part of the student experience, why have them?  

Please understand that I am not advocating disbandment.  I am strongly advocating the commitment to at least competitiveness, if not outright winning.  I cannot see how, for even the least sports minded member of the LC Community, that repeated losing is a positive.


Commitment to competitiveness means WINNING.
Kpard

flyfisher wrote:
I posted it on here after the game on Saturday about the demonstration at the front gate. I spoke briefly with Dioreo who organized the event. She was at the front of the line leading the charge. And she is the lady over the Consulting team and committee that is going to fix our Athletics. Forgive me if I don't feel good about the outcome. And to make matters worse she has Byerly's ear. that was not the time or place for the person over athletics to organize a diversity demonstration.


It is very evident that our administration views our sporting events as a opportunity to exploit. 150 game - roll out a capital campaign. Rivalry game = big crowd - let's disguise a temper tantrum about an election outcome as a "diversity" rally. Led by an administrator and approved by the school!
It is utter madness.
People who are only concerned about social justice (whatever the hell that is), diversity, and equality have no concept about competing and winning. And the ones who do are the ones who will thrive out in the real world.
artanis

"Who could start for Lehigh?"

Nick Lindner.

Bueu Bosch.

Brandon Bryant.

Wadsworth.

That's it.

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